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Talk:Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)

2022-03-01T20:15:46Z

Waverod: Starting split discussion

== Split proposal ==
So, I just got Selects Lift-Ticket and was wondering about its pronouns (it/it/its, apparently). I noticed there was a split proposal for this article, but there wasn't even a talk page started, let alone a discussion of it. Please note, I didn't propose this split.

So, addressing the question of splitting this article, I would say no, at least for now. This article is still quite short, and splitting it between the Diaclone and (notionally) G1 sections would give us two even shorter articles, one consisting of the brief fiction section, the other of the brief toys section. At this point, there's no real need for this split.

Furthermore, the toys may be from G1-focused lines, but one was a Bot-Con exclusive where the fiction clearly had it coming from the Diaclone part of the multiverse, while the other is from Generation'''s''' which has already featured bots from non-G1 continutities (Hot Shot, Armada Starscream, Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime, plus the Prime related toys announced for Legacy), so Lift-Ticket's inclusion there does not necessarily imply being a part of G1. [[User:Waverod|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Waverod|talk]]) 15:15, 1 March 2022 (EST)

User talk:ItsWalky

2021-11-18T00:51:00Z

Waverod: /* You're going viral */ new section

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==Things to say to you==
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Just some thing I've been wanting to say to David...

First off, you're a monumental asshole. You have an ego the size of a small planet and it's irritating watching you act like an important SOB when you're basically just a nobody.

Second, your webcomics aren't funny. They're boring tripe that makes Penny Arcade look good(and believe me, Penny Arcade is garbage). Cyanide and Happiness is a funny webcomic, yours is not. Your "jokes" are painful, about like watching Michael Richards yell the n-word as a routine. You don't draw a comic, you draw an opinionated blog. I'm not sure which name suits your crap better, "ShitPacked" or "ShortDicked".

Your liberalism and your love of Indiana get on my nerves. You jab at Mallard Filmore? Yeah, one shitty comic making fun of another shitty comic. Or are you just pissed that his gets in newspapers while you're JUST a webcomic? As to Indiana, I live here, and if it were up to me, the state would be walled off and none of the freaks living there allowed to interact with the rest of the planet. The state is about 3 decades behind the times. But something tells me even you know this otherwise you'd still live here. I sure as hell do not live here by choice and as soon as I can, I'm moving far away from this joke of a state.

And your brand loyalty is typical fandom crap. You have Aaron Archer's rod so far down your throat it's unreal. And Aryan fucktard Michael Bay's rod has apparently joined it. I'd say soemthing abotu Don Murphy but he was born without one. Actually, I can say something- he's Kevin "unfunny asshole" Smith with more body fat. Hasbro didn't give the film to a competent director, just a cheap one. And neither Speilberg or ILM have done anything useful in years. Give WETA, or even Tom Savini a chance and we wouldn't be getting Bionicle bots. You're afraid to not like a Hasbro product. No wonder they don't have to go out of the way to please the "fans"- you'll accept it no matter what. But hey, you personally have been sucking off incompetent British bonehead Simon Furman and his shitty stories for years. There are no gods in Transformers. Unicron was built by a monkey, little man. Furman is dog shit.

And go figure this TF wiki is a joke full of misinformation, insults or outright lies- you're a mod here. You're never right. You're more of an incorrect pompous jerkoff than Defunct is. Right, ban me from editing, as if it would somehow matter, any info you don't agree with is pulled. You only have friends because people feel sorry for you. Me, I have no need. People are a commodity to be used and their wants only get in the way of what I'm out for. Use them and drop them.

Who am I? Go look who added a note about you on Encyclopedia Dramatica's Allspark page if you're not too lazy. As well as past AS, Kalidor, FIRRIB and Hooks entries(the hooks entry especially true). Oh, and just info on white people in general and that idiotic Nintendo Wii. I'm not making it that easy for you.-- {{unsigned|206.162.192.39}} 02:16, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree...[[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 10:31, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

: Is it my birthday? This stuff ''feeds'' me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 02:19, 9 January 2007 (UTC)
: Duuuuude. Walky may be a dick, but I still ''like'' him for some inexplicable reason. You, on the other hand, are just one sore drama queen.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 17:14, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: This is some of the most funny stuff I've seen in a while. Comedy PLATINUM. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:30, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Bwa ha ha ha ha. Priceless. I think someone needs to get off the internets for a few minutes. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 02:49, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: Wait, you mean I didn't get drunk and write this? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 05:47, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

: I wish lame puns happened to me. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 20:08, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

Why do I get the feeling that guy has been permanently banned? [[User:Florky Man|Mr. Florky]] 15:55, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

Wow, an Encyclopedia Dramatica troll. No need to be so harsh on Walky. I, too, like the Baybots, and, I happen to like Bionicle. Also, his Webcomic is one of my favorites. So, if you have nothing nice to say, never ever EVER come back here.--[[User:Dynamus Prime|Dynamus Prime]] 16:22, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

:Woah dude calm down. Don't cuss too much either. Don't get me wrong though, Itswalky can be quite a jerk at times. Itswalky is not a dick, though. He just becomes somewhat of a control freak at times. But he's still somewhat "likeable". --[[User:TheHappyTruckShunter|TheHappyTruckShunter]] ([[User talk:TheHappyTruckShunter|talk]]) 15:56, 25 August 2014 (EDT)

== Wheeljack ==

Are you kidding me? Wheeljack's Marvel section has the same image, why can't I upload it? {{unsigned|RoboWarriorPrime}} 12:50, 9 February 2019 (EST)
: It's not the content, it's the source. You're uploading a fan colorization of Wheeljack's character model; we discourage the use of fanmade images in articles except in VERY specific instances. (Also, please sign your posts using four tildes instead of writing it out manually, like this: <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>. It's faster and more accurate.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:57, 9 February 2019 (EST)
:: It's not just a fan colorization, the linework isn't official, either. Someone traced the official linework and then colored it. It is fan art. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 13:07, 9 February 2019 (EST)

==Request to Delete my Account==

I felt totally disrespected by one of your admins, so I quit. I want nothing to do with this Wiki anymore.
I got sent a warning for 'deleting and removing content', complete with a neat little picture of Nightbeat with a gun held to his head, simply for suggesting on Skywarp (G1)'s Talk Page that I find the stair-pushing gag insufferable. I have done nothing to warrant that or the threat to have all of my contributions, as miniscule as they may be, nuked for something I did not do.

I don't want to hang around a site with such a hostile admin (Cyberlink420, by the way), so please, delete my account. Not going to engage this site, or contribute anymore. Thank you. [[User:RyRodrigo|RyRodrigo]] ([[User talk:RyRodrigo|talk]]) 19:37, 6 March 2020 (EST)
:I can... I can read your edit history, you know. Cyberlink420 is pretty on the money. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:54, 6 March 2020 (EST)
::Also not an admin, BTW -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:17, 6 March 2020 (EST)
Yeah, how DOES one delete an account? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 19:28, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
:One cannot delete an account because of licensing reasons. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:38, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
:What do you mean by that? is it illegal? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 19:58, 20 May 2021 (EDT)
::TFWiki is under the CC-BY-SA license so all edits have to be credited to someone. In this case it's an account. If you've made edits, then they exist in the database, and those edits have to point to a valid account. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:24, 20 May 2021 (EDT)

== TransFormers (Generation 2): The Fighting Game ==

So I found [https://web.archive.org/web/20160707224716/http://www.tfrid.com/games/tfgame.zip this game] that's was made by you. The game, in my opinion, is a decent time waster with pretty good animations. Though there are a few things that could be improved (though there really is no point of fixing them 20 or so years later). Like instead of transforming when you move left or right, you can do it when you press down, making you more durable and allowing you to ram your opponent (like F2F), but at the cost of not being able to blast or jump. Speaking of jumping, it would be nice to be able to jump in robot mode. Also the hud is cropped slightly in the "arena," causing Megatron's name to be cut off. Then to be a bit nitpicky (sorry); if this is supposed to be a G2 fighting game, shouldn't the character select use the G2 insignias?

Anyways I thought it was enjoyable, all things considered.

(P.S. how do you attack with Megatron, the help document isn't able to be opened with modern Windows.)[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 21:30, 19 August 2020 (EDT)
: I have no memory of the game other than to say you probably can't attack with Megatron yet. I didn't finish the game, and I probably just put up what I'd finished at the time. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 22:49, 19 August 2020 (EDT)

==Clean up please!==

Um, Mr. ItsWalky, I am no expert but I think it must be brought into consideration how this wiki does not appreciate any inappropriate content or PG-13 or R-rated foul language in its pages. I humbly make a strong suggestion to at least block out the f-bomb on your user page. And seeing as this wiki is accessible by pretty much everyone, removing any phrases such as “P**nlord” would also be optimal. Please make the suggested changes and make sure to clear your user page of “language that probably would not please your mom or your employer.” Thanks! With respect, --[[User:Autobot Skystreak|Autobot Skystreak]] ([[User talk:Autobot Skystreak|talk]]) 00:49, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

fuck off --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 11:20, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

:Who exactly decides that "this wiki does not appreciate any inappropriate content or PG-13 or R-rated foul language in its pages"?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 15:18, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

::I guess that user volunteered for the Language Police job. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 17:01, 9 September 2020 (EDT)

:::I am not the language policeman, but I feel that removing inappropriate language whenever I can is the right thing to do. I’m not the only one who thinks so, the admins who created the policy pages decided that all foul language that is not suitable for children 13 years of age or younger should be removed and replaced. I will not tell any user what to do, but I will point out unsuitable language wherever it is. If ItsWalky tells me to f*** off, that is his choice and I will not press the issue seeing as he can ban me anytime. But if I am banned for suggesting the removal of foul language, I will contact the other system admins and leave the issue at that. In the meantime, I will leave ItsWalky alone concerning language because his mind is made up about the topic. I only wish he would have considered my words before insulting me with the worst word in existence. --[[User:Autobot Skystreak|Autobot Skystreak]] ([[User talk:Autobot Skystreak|talk]]) 21:04, 13 September 2020 (EDT)
::::Since you claim to be speaking from a position of "this is what the admins decided," I should note that 1. ItsWalky is one of the admins, and 2. the [[Transformers_Wiki:Policies#Profanity|policy]] explicitly doesn't apply to user pages. Let it go; this will not end well for you otherwise. -- 21:45, 13 September 2020 (EDT)
:::::Yes sir. As you wish.--[[User:Autobot Skystreak|Autobot Skystreak]] ([[User talk:Autobot Skystreak|talk]]) 22:24, 13 September 2020 (EDT)

==Archiving from 2009 to 2018==
Sorry, but your talk page was kinda getting long, so they've been archived. I left that "Things to say to you" section for old times' sake. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 07:26, 15 September 2020 (EDT)
: You get me. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 10:47, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

==I believe I owe you an apology==

Hello ItsWalky,
I’m sorry I bugged you concerning your user page and the language on it. I did not mean to offend you or disrespect you in any way, but surely you can see my concern for others. Either way, it was not my place to pull a stunt like that, no matter how many f-bombs exist in the same area. I hope you will forgive my criticism.--[[User:Autobot Skystreak|Autobot Skystreak]] ([[User talk:Autobot Skystreak|talk]]) 11:57, 15 September 2020 (EDT)

== User nominations behind featured articles ==

I've drafted a concept for a [[User:Riptide/Sandbox:Transformers Wiki:Featured Article Nominations|page where users can nominate pages that they think deserve to be Featured Articles]]. As-is, there's no real way for high quality articles to be nominated to be featured, so your picks tend to be solely on the basis of "what's seasonally relevant" rather than the stated criteria of being high-quality and informative (as they're often full of stub templates); my intent for this page would be to bridge the gap here and give you a list of articles that the users think are good, so that you can pick from them as and when you like. With your permission, I'll take it live; if you wouldn't use it, I'll delete it. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 09:03, 1 October 2020 (EDT)
: You can make a list of good articles if you want. That'd be helpful. Just as long as you promise not to get mad if I go off-menu! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:33, 3 October 2020 (EDT)
:: Of course! I just wanted to find a way for users to suggest these that wasn't just tagging you in things you might not see or remember. I'll put it live, then. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 20:11, 3 October 2020 (EDT)

== I believe there's another [[User:ItsWalky#Victors over Ravage|victor over Ravage]]. ==

[[File:TFBTTF-RavageRunOver.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Bumblebee (G1)#Transformers/Back to the Future|Bumblebee]]]]
Though you may need to put an asterisk by it, as these events were written over by the Decepticon's time traveling shenanigans, and did not happen in the new timeline. --[[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 17:29, 22 October 2020 (EDT)
:I think Blaster also beat ravage in 86 --[[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 10:34, 25 April 2021 (EDT)
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==Random Question==

So you own TFWIKI?
are you a geewunner, btw
[[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 10:34, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

==Escargon==
Escargon is deleting my stuff that i write I'm new here but I've been using tfwiki for a while now. I have several warnings and i hate the staff but oh come on. I don't what her BANNED, I want her to stop. {{unsigned|Tylerwu}} 10:42, 25 April 2021 (EDT)
: I watched the Nanosec scene. It is nothing like what you say it's referencing in TFTM. It was correct for that to be removed. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 16:34, 25 April 2021 (EDT)

It's been 7 days since I was banned. I put this together. If it isn't enough proof, I will drop it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1DquX9YpUaU07D_TLPLDkQ9rK0VssUxNVbbqeNvNdxoY/edit --[[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 20:21, 3 May 2021 (EDT)
: Getting hit in a certain area under completely different circumstances with completely different results is not a reference. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:41, 3 May 2021 (EDT)

::Alright. Thanks [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 21:12, 3 May 2021 (EDT)

==GoBots==
Ey boss, there's been rumblings on the Discord and [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots#Revisiting our organizational schema|the talk page]] about getting more GoBots on the wiki—not the whole hog, it seems, just bringing coverage in-line with current standards for IDW crossovers and the like. Wanted to make sure you saw it and had the chance to weigh in! —[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 20:20, 2 September 2021 (EDT)

== You're going viral ==

For an exchange about George Jetson's conception date. I've had two Facebook friends post two different versions of this exchange, neither of whom are, to my knowledge, Transformers fans. [[User:Waverod|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Waverod|talk]]) 19:51, 17 November 2021 (EST)

User talk:Locoman/Sandbox/Languages

2021-11-03T21:57:59Z

Waverod: Alphabet section concerns

The Fiction section is a good start. The alphabet section, though.... The information is important, but as it is presented, it makes it seem like all there is to Cybertronian language is a different script. In fact, in many of the uses of these scripts (e.g. on the WfC:Siege boxes), the language is in fact English. Part of me wonders if this section should be split off; the rest of me wants a note to the effect that these are Cybertronian alphabets, used to write various languages, both human and Transformer. (I also have a bit of a pet peeve that these alphabets have a one to one correspondence to that used in English, but that's not something we can change. Odds are that any alien script would not correspond like that, as few if any other human scripts do so.) [[User:Waverod|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Waverod|talk]]) 17:57, 3 November 2021 (EDT)

Talk:Mold

2021-10-12T21:38:15Z

Waverod: /* Rattrap no longer lost? */ Response

I have no idea where we could FIND this, but man, an image of the actual steel-cut molds used for a TF toy would be pretty awesome. This article should probaly go into detail on the process and expense involved. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 22:04, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
:Seconded.
:I like how this article is shaping up, particularly the links to related articles. There's a whole network of toy-related articles that are kinda hard to find outside of digging through the Toys category (see [[Brick (term)|Brick]], [[Articulation]]... I'd like to see more of a hierarchy for them so they can all be grouped and cross-linked. Most of our content is organized by [[franchise]]. What kind of home should there be for stuff like this that isn't bound to one particular franchise? -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:12, 16 January 2008 (UTC)
::The movie DVD's "Their War" featurette has a brief sequence of the Leader Prime mold being filled with liquid plastic. Screencaps of that will probably be the best we can do. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:23, 16 January 2008 (UTC)

:::*somewhere* I have a picture of the mold for a GIJoe rifle - would that work? [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 02:38, 17 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Too small, I think. Ideally, we'd have the "small car" variety mentioned at BC. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 02:49, 17 January 2008 (UTC)

== Possible disambiguation humor ==

{{disambig2|the metal forms used to create toys|the Transformer toys that actually sprout mold|Pretender Monster}}

== Blurry ==

From what I can gather, this article is blurry with regard to the distinction between ''plastic inhection mold'', the technical device used to create parts for toys, and "mold" as in "sculpt", a basic build for a toy that can be redecoed or retooled.

After my massive overhaul of the [[Retool]] article, I guess I should get started on improving this article next.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:01, 5 July 2009 (EDT)
:Wrote a new section explaining how exactly plastic injection molds work. Does anyone know more about die-cast molds? How do they differ from plastic injection molds? Is the metal also injected? Are the parts still connected on trees? Are diecast molds smaller than plastic molds (such as in the case of Alternators/Binaltech, where both die-cast and plastic molds exist for the same parts of the toy sculpts)?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 07:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

== Plastic, diecast and... rubber? ==

What about rubber parts, such as tires? Are they also cast from molds?--[[Special:Contributions/132.252.185.42|132.252.185.42]] 09:13, 7 July 2009 (EDT)
:If I'm not mistaken, the "rubber" tires on TFs are actually plastic, just a very pliable form - not real rubber. That's why they crack and break and split in ways that actual rubber doesn't. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 16:55, 7 July 2009 (EDT)

== Optimus Prime Speculation ==
In the lost molds section, there's some speculation about the G1 Prime mold being lost: "It is also speculated that the original ''Generation 1'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Optimus Prime]] mold is long gone, as most reissues share the toolings of the ''Generation 2'' mold." Is that really speculated? I would've thought Hasbro/Takara went with the G2 mold because of the improvements made to the joints and because it was used more recently, thus requiring less restoration. Why go through more trouble with the G1 mold if the superior G2 mold is available? I'm also puzzled by the phrasing "most reissues". This sounds like there would be some that do not share the G2 tooling, thereby contradicting this speculation. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] 18:38, 11 January 2011 (EST)

== Question ==
If the Constructicon molds are lost, then how is TakaraTomy able to release Devastator in the Encore line? --[[User:AmazingSpiderGuy|AmazingSpiderGuy]] 11:17, 13 July 2011 (EST)
:They were rumored to be lost, apparently the rumor was wrong. Or maybe Takara was able to get ahold of the molds the bootleggers have been using for years. Or they may have been recut based on existing toys (this is unlikely, due to costs). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 11:30, 13 July 2011 (EDT)

:I suppose that would explain it. I'd be weary of the molds if they came from bootleggers. We might wind up with an official G1 Devastator that's even worse than the crappy bootlegs! --[[User:AmazingSpiderGuy|AmazingSpiderGuy]] 12:04, 27 July 2011 (EST)

== Another Question ==
I don't know if this is the place for this kind of question, but I'm curious. The rights to a mold can revert to its original owner but the character remains in HasTaks hands. So what is keeping them from building a brand new toy just like, say, the G1 Shockwave mold. Where is the line that crosses from mold to character?[[User:Riddlerj|Riddlerj]] 19:35, 17 March 2013 (EDT)
:i'm not sure where the legal boundary would be, but i maybe
:*1) HasTak might err on the side of legal caution about releasing a toy so similar to another company's mold,
:*2) HasTak might not want to release a toy so similar to another company's mold since consumers might (accidentally or deliberately) buy toys produced by the other company, thereby supporting HasTak's competition
:*2a) By the same token, the other companies won't sell toys using those molds because it could amount to free advertising for their competition. (For example, Bandai might never use the Tonka GoBots molds again, because they look exactly like HasTak-owned Transformers characters. Any profits Bandai might gain from selling "gObOtZ!" or whatever, could be negated by the possibility of consumers wanting to supplement their collection with "the rest of the Transformers"--that is, HasTak's Transformers.)
:*3) unless the toy is an [[GEEWUN|exact]] reproduction of the original (and therefore essentially using the mold owned by the other company, at least as pertains to this conversation), TransFans will complain if HasTak offers toys that don't have improved [[brick|articulation]], better proportions (skinny legs on that [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Notes|Astro Magnum]] guy), greater [[show-accuracy]], etc. So if HasTak has to make a whole new mold anyhow, they'll probably aim for more modern toy-making standards and aesthetics rather than mimicking outdated classics.
:You might also read the article about [[knockoff]]s regarding what's legal, what people do even though it's illegal, and what happens (or doesn't happen) to the people who do the illegal stuff.
:--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 03:36, 6 January 2014 (EST)

== redeco/retool parts and accessories ==

Do [[Sunstreaker (G1)]] fists and [[Trailbreaker (G1)]] fists come from the same molds? If so, is that worth mentioning on those characters' respective pages, the way we mention that [[Hoist (G1)]] uses (mostly) the same mold as Trailbreaker, and half of [[Power Core Combiner]] X's drones share molds with half of Power Core Combiner Y's drones?

Trailbreaker and Sunstreaker use different missiles, though, right? But if their fists share a mold, the missiles should fit either figure, right?

Do any other figures use the same fists and/or missiles as [[Inferno (G1)]]/[[Grapple (G1)]]/[[Hauler]]/[[Artfire]]? Do THOSE fists/missiles fit into the forearms of Sunstreaker and/or Trailbreaker/Hoist?

...i need to go to sleep before i start asking things like whether Hoist's forearms will fit missiles from a [[Mirage (G1)]] launcher, or if a [[Sideswipe (G1)]] launcher will hold Sunstreaker's fists.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 02:52, 6 January 2014 (EST)

== Flash ==

I've been trying to figure out a way to discuss flash on this page but am unsure of how to incorporate it in a good way.

For those unaware, flash is excess plastic or metal the leaks out through mold seams when the die is injected. This results in flaps or tabs of excess material that are normally trimmed away during assembly at the factory.

I bring it up because I have noticed lately that it is not being cleaned off of certain toys very well. One example was my copy of ''Cyberverse'' Deluxe Grimlock, which had some excess plastic still attached to the nubs inside his hip socket which made it pop off easily. Trimming them off fixed the issue.

This doesn't seem like a subject that needs its own page. But how should it be addressed? --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 12:33, 26 May 2020 (EDT)

== Rattrap no longer lost? ==

With the release of Vintage Beast Wars Rattrap, does this confirm that the mold is no longer lost ala Terrorsaur? --[[User:EndymionDragon|EndymionDragon]]
:In some sense at least. It is possible they recreated it (though that would be expensive) by reverse engineering an original toy-- some knock off manufacturers do this. In this case the mold wasn't found so much as remade. I don't know if we have any evidence about how it happened, or if we ever will. [[User:Waverod|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Waverod|talk]]) 17:38, 12 October 2021 (EDT)

Talk:Junkion (Adventure)

2021-10-10T15:35:33Z

Waverod: Why not keep?

Is there any particular need to delete this page? I certainly understand having the article where it is, but this redirect isn't harming anything. [[User:Waverod|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Waverod|talk]]) 11:35, 10 October 2021 (EDT)

User:Waverod/sandbox/Disambiguation

2021-09-23T00:05:15Z

Waverod: Improving spacing

Here are my principles for disambiguating articles:

1) We have to do it.

2) Any system needs to be flexible enough to adapt to new things coming from Hasbro and Takara in the future.

3) Any system needs to be flexible enough to handle weird cases with exceptions, but not let the exceptions become too common.

4) Any system needs to be clear, and actually separate things which are different.

5) Any system needs to handle more than just characters.

I welcome your feedback on the talk page. Please do not edit this page as it represents my ongoing thoughts.

User talk:Waverod/sandbox/Disambiguation

2021-09-22T23:12:33Z

Waverod: Create

Feedback here please.

User:Waverod/sandbox/Disambiguation

2021-09-22T23:10:02Z

Waverod: Page creation: Principles of Disambig

Here are my principles for disambiguating articles:

1) We have to do it.
2) Any system needs to be flexible enough to adapt to new things coming from Hasbro and Takara in the future.
3) Any system needs to be flexible enough to handle weird cases with exceptions, but not let the exceptions become too common.
4) Any system needs to be clear, and actually separate things which are different.
5) Any system needs to handle more than just characters.

I welcome your feedback on the talk page. Please do not edit this page as it represents my ongoing thoughts.

User:Waverod

2021-09-19T11:19:00Z

Waverod: Link to fanfic posted

I'm just this fan, you know?

I'm STILL just this fan, you know, but I'm generally going by Waverod in the fandom, so that's in my signature. [It's easier than begging an admin for a name change, which I don't know offhand if they'll even do. Note that this is NOT a separate account from Cosmos1; all edits are under this account, regardless of when they're done.] No longer true! Thanks to Abates, my username has changed to match my signature.

I write occasional short fanfiction with some OCs. Don't expect to find them covered on the wiki though! You can find them at http://waverod.blogspot.com .

User:Waverod

2021-09-19T10:29:42Z

Waverod: Name change and note about fanfic

User talk:Abates

2021-09-19T10:16:46Z

Waverod: /* Name Change */ new section

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== Sidebar ==

Given its imminence and "big deal" status, would it make sense to put [[Unicron: The Darkest Hour]] on the sidebar? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:36, 18 March 2018 (EDT)
:Maybe - we don't usually put miniseries up, but it is likely to be pretty important for the IDW continuity. Now I think of it, we should probably have Cyberverse up there too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:59, 18 March 2018 (EDT)
::How about Rescue Bots Academy? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 11:00, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
:::It's probably a bit early yet. That's not out until next year. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:46, 20 March 2018 (EDT)
::::Actually, it just got moved up to Fall according to [http://www.cynopsis.com/032018-discovery-family-heads-into-upfront-season-with-legacy-kids-brands-cake-boss-spinoff/ Discovery Family's 2018-2019 upfront]. If we're gonna add Cyberverse, it might be prudent to add RBA as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:26, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
:::::That's pretty fantastic news! Sounds like adding that is reasonable then. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:53, 21 March 2018 (EDT)
Could we please add links to the GoBots and IDW sister wikis? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 15:29, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
:Sure, I've just added links for them to the main page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:52, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
::I think it'd be a good idea to have links to them in the sidebar too - their own subsection under the "current media" section? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 17:28, 7 May 2018 (EDT)
:::Having links in the "Navigation" section that go to entire other websites would not be good, IMHO, as users are not going to expect it. Adding links to other sites in the sidebar is something that needs more of a discussion than it has been given, and also should be run by Walky. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:43, 7 May 2018 (EDT)

== Multiple account abuser ==

A not exactly subtle case: [[Special:Contributions/Transformers1001|Transformers1001]] and [[Special:Contributions/TransformersFan1001|TransformersFan1001]]. The two accounts were created the exact same day, make very similar edits (i.e. the kind that have to keep getting reverted), and are never active at the same time. Note that when one account stops making edits, the other starts. Would you please take care of them? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:38, 20 May 2018 (EDT)

== Bumblebee (film) ==

Would you please be so kind as to update the links from "Bumblebee: The Movie" to "[[Bumblebee (film)]]" on the main nav and the [[Live-action film series]] page? Thanks much. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:20, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
: Thank you! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:37, 5 June 2018 (EDT)
::No problem! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:47, 5 June 2018 (EDT)

== Vandalist? ==

[[User:Polar Prime 12]] keeps copy and pasting a poor fiction section for [[Bumblebee (Cyberverse)]] based on his bio. They have been told many times to stop, and their edits are reverted, yet they insist on having their summary on the page. Can you give them a penalty? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 19:32, 13 July 2018 (EDT)
:For now, I have dropped an explanation on their talk page as it's more obvious for them to see than the page edit history. I'd prefer to err on the side of being friendly and making sure they know why they're being reverted before getting out the ban stick. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:09, 13 July 2018 (EDT)

== Cyberverse ==

Could you please unlock the [[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse cartoon]] article? Locking it made sense months ago when we didn't know anything and wanted to prevent vandalism, but now that we're only a few months from launch and details are actually starting to emerge, it makes more sense to re-open it for editing so we can keep up with any new information. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:01, 25 July 2018 (EDT)
:Yep, I think it's OK to unlock it now. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:28, 25 July 2018 (EDT)

== Botched move ==

If you have the time, could you fix the "KSI Sentry"/"Trax (AOE)" histories? And move "Trax (G1)" to just "Trax". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:25, 30 July 2018 (EDT)
:I apologize for the inconvenience I created. I wasn't aware of the issues that would arise from it. [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 13:06, 30 July 2018 (EDT)

== Ruined Forever update (NOT content-related) ==

I've been working on updating instances of inter-wiki linking to remove bare URLs and use the current preferred templates, and I realized there's a few spots on [[Ruined FOREVER]] that need to be brought up to date. I'm not changing any of the content, but I have put together a new draft in my [[User:Cyberlink420/sandbox-ruin|sandbox]] that uses our <nowiki>{{w}} and [[tvtropes]]</nowiki> templates, as well as fixing one of the links to redirect properly. Unfortunately I can't implement the changes myself since the page is locked; could you please copy-paste the draft onto the article when you get the chance? Thanks much. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:50, 24 August 2018 (EDT)
:I have updated the TVTropes link and the anchor on the Wikipedia like, but I don't see the point in changing perfectly good Wikipedia links to use a template instead. What's the advantage there? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:57, 24 August 2018 (EDT)

== Scroll box template ==

Hey, I was wondering if it would be possible to integrate the coding for [https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Template:Scroll_box this template] to here? I want to try out a proposal. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 01:16, 4 November 2018 (EDT)
:I've added the scrollbox class styling they're using on it. Let me know if you need anything else. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:11, 4 November 2018 (EST)

== What everybody lacks but me. ==

I was able to add in more information to the Transformers video games, more specifically, the NDS games for the 2007 & ROTF movies, the ROTF PSP game, and the Wii/PS2 version of the ROTF game. I even added in character pages for the Krome-exclusive NPCs, and the playable ROTF DS Transformers. Something that nobody, not even you, were never able to do, because I have the time & energy to do so, all because I did some heavy researching, and thorough analysis. [[User:StormJet|StormJet]] ([[User talk:StormJet|talk]]) 22:29, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:Cool, good work! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:52, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:You really need to tone down that passive-aggressiveness. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:09, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::You're lucky, everything I did was unfairly removed. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 22:58, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::: From what I can see, you added a toy listing for something that was leaked, and the other one was an addition to the "many deaths of Optimus" page that wasn't really a death. Hardly unfair. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 23:09, 5 November 2018 (EST)
:::: It wasn't fair. If the toy wasn't real, I wouldn't have posted anything about it, but it was clearly real and a planned product. It wasn't like it was secret North Korean nuke codes or something, it was a prototype on display, clearly it was being revealed and confirmed. Later on, the same user who called me out later took the credit for himself, when I deserve the credit. I do not understand how that on "the many deaths of Optimus Prime" was wrong when 1. There's a couple of near death mentions on the page 2. The film really built it up like he was going to die and 3. It was the truth. It honestly doesn't end there, but I don't feel like digging it all up, but to make it short, I've been insulted, called a liar, etc. It really makes me think this place is highly elitist, hypocritical, and unwelcoming of newer users, which is why I'm leaving, but want to put my case to rest before I do. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 23:24, 5 November 2018 (EST)
::::: So you came to an entirely different conversation to bring up your, putting it kindly, imagined unfair treatment. Very mature. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 00:04, 6 November 2018 (EST)
::::: @MisterKenneth: I hope you'll understand that there are very good reasons why we don't list leaked toys here. It's because if we acknowledge the leaked toy, it will encourage further leaks in future, which is essentially encouraging people to break the law. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:12, 6 November 2018 (EST)
:::::: @Escargon You started by saying that what people did to me was fair. I simply joined in here to tell @Stormjet that he's lucky he was able to get that cool info in without somebody going after him, which wasn't the case for me. I didn't intend on saying anything else. @Abates I don't understand. How is it a leak if its a confirmed product? I saw people confirm that MPM-7 was a real product going to hit the shelves and online stores, so I have no idea how that's a leak and illegal. It's not like I collected that information from some shady spy in a dark alleyway, the image I uploaded of MPM-7 was from I believe either Seibertron or TFW2005, and I saw sources confirming MPM-7's existence. I was telling the truth. I didn't come here to spread lies, I'm not that kind of person. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 00:54, 6 November 2018 (EST)
:::::::That particular image that was uploaded was a leak, as you can see here: https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/bumblebee-the-movie-masterpiece-movie-vw-beetle-bumblebee-prototype-figure-leaked/40982/ If someone has it displayed somewhere without making it clear that it's from a leak, then that's an error on their part, but we still can't have it on the Wiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:05, 6 November 2018 (EST)
:::::::: I most likely got that image and the info from here https://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/transformers-movie-masterpiece-mpm7-volkswagen-bumblebee/41919/ this article proves the toys existence by going as far as to mention pre-order and release dates. They said that it may not have anything to do with the final toy, but after looking at images of the final toy, I can safely say it had everything to do with it. Would a "leak" as you call it have the kind information seen here? -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 01:17, 6 November 2018 (EST)
::::::::: "It exists" is ''not'' the concern here. The issue is: has it been officially announced? If ''no'', then it's a leak, no matter how "real" it is. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 01:25, 6 November 2018 (EST)
:::::::::: Well, I guess there's not really much else I can say. With that said, I don't want to continue this discussion, so good day, or night depending on where you're at. @StormJet I apologize if what I said got your thing here derailed. -[[User:MisterKenneth|MisterKenneth]] ([[User talk:MisterKenneth|talk]]) 01:37, 6 November 2018 (EST)

Re the above conversation, if people are removing your edits repeatedly, then the proper course of action is to talk it out on the talk page in question. I didn't remove the edits in question, so I can't give any more insight into their removal than anyone other than the person who did so. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:09, 11 November 2018 (EST)

== Possible use of multiple accounts? ==

Hey, would you be so kind as to run an IP check on [[User:‎Kampungpisangadrian]] and make sure they aren’t the same IP as [[User:Memeuser17]]? I know it’s a weird request and I’m probably just being paranoid, but something about the whole thing feels off. Like, Kampung doesn’t make any edits for 8 months, then Memeuser suddenly tries to start something on their talk page unprovoked, and that just HAPPENS to be when Kampung comes back? Like I said, I’m probably just being paranoid and I'll gladly admit it if I'm wrong, but there’s something weird about the whole thing and I just wanna make sure. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:57, 29 November 2018 (EST)
:Those users both edited from the same IP address and with the exact same user agent, so I'm going to go out on a limb here and say they are most likely one and the same person. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:07, 29 November 2018 (EST)
Stop assuming they are the same person, please[[User:Puppetroblox|Puppetroblox]] ([[User talk:Puppetroblox|talk]]) 17:26, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:Except that there's evidence to say they were. Also, [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Knockoff&oldid=1318959 vandalizing] [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Knockoff&oldid=1318960 articles] to make fun of other users (one of whom is an admin) is a real bad look. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:12, 26 January 2019 (EST)

== Titan page move ==

Thanks for moving the Titan page. Could you get the talk page as well? I moved the messages from it onto the Titan (IDW) talk page, so it should be safe to relocate. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:53, 7 January 2019 (EST)
:Thanks, done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:53, 7 January 2019 (EST)

== Another possible multi-account vandal ==

Hey, if you get the chance, could you run an IP check on [[Special:Contributions/Tritusk]] and [[Special:Contributions/Firetrack]]? Both are relatively new, and both are attempting to erase instances of characters dying or inserting claims of "but they were fine", not unlike the already-banned [[Special:Contributions/StarPlat]]. Would rather nip this in the bud early before they start messing up more pages. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 18:56, 15 January 2019 (EST)
:Tritusk appears to be the same person as [[Special:Contributions/Hipfiree]], which is kinda bizarre because Hipfiree is not banned, (they were banned briefly when we thought they were StarPlat) and in fact edited a few days before they created the Tritusk account. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:32, 15 January 2019 (EST)
::Weird. So I guess Firetrack is clean then? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:35, 15 January 2019 (EST)
:::Firetrack I'm not sure on. It's possible that they could be Hipfiree but the evidence there isn't conclusive enough for my liking. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:46, 15 January 2019 (EST)
::::Fair enough, then. I'll keep an eye on things just to be safe. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:48, 15 January 2019 (EST)
:::::[[User:NovaStorm]] also seems to have a bee up their bonnet about changing statements of character deaths. Possible alternate account of one of these guys? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:15, 16 January 2019 (EST)
::::::Yep. I'm also more confident about Firetrack than I was yesterday, so I've banned that account too. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:21, 16 January 2019 (EST)

== Wikia to Fandom changeover ==

Based on my cursory research, it seems the migration from Wikia to Fandom is complete, as every Wikia link I've tested so far has redirected to the .fandom URL. When you get the chance, could you update the interwiki linking system to point directly to the Fandom URL instead? Also, do we have a full list of wikia sites with their own domains that we support interwiki linking to? I know Memory-Alpha is one of them, but that redirects to a .fandom URL now as well instead of memory-alpha.org, so it wouldn't hurt to make sure those are up to date too. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:23, 24 January 2019 (EST)
:It looks like there are some which haven't yet been migrated - e.g. community.wikia.com is still non-migrated. They will probably make an announcement on the staff blog when the migration is finished so once they do that, it should be safer. Our Interwiki for Memory-Alpha points to the .org domain, so so long as that's still redirecting, we should be all right. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:38, 24 January 2019 (EST)
::Based on [[wikia:community:Help:Fandom domain migration#What are the next steps?|this help entry]], it sounds like the changeover to Fandom will be finished by February 4th, so we should be safe to update things after that date. (Side note, do we want to change the prefix to "fandom:" instead of "wikia:"? I don't mind going in and editing any articles accordingly to update them if we do.). -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 01:10, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:::We can easily just make two prefixes so people can use either wikia: or fandom: depending. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:21, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:::This may be a stupid question, but why do you want wikia interwiki links? Even if you want to link out to wikia/"fandom", interwiki links aren't nofollow'd (unlike standard external links), so they help wikia's SEO. (Similar but lesser point about changing existing links from wikia to fandom - or memory-alpha.org to the fandom link - since they redirect anyway) - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 12:00, 26 January 2019 (EST)
::::I mean, if you're asking why we'd want to point directly to a page instead of a redirect, that's just good policy from a web accessibility perspective. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:54, 26 January 2019 (EST)

::::I don't believe the SEO impact of us linking to, say, Memory Alpha would be significant. In most cases there's going to be one or two links on a page with hundreds of links to other TFWiki pages, and any pagerank juice is shared evenly between all of those links so we're talking about 1/100 of the total from that page. That said, admittedly my knowledge of how Google's SEO system works may be a little out of date of if anyone has more recent knowledge, feel free to join in this thread! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:09, 26 January 2019 (EST)
::::Sounds like you want to actively hurt Wikia/Fandom. Why should we want to do that? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 14:14, 26 January 2019 (EST)
:::::Well, they '''''are''''' absolutely shitty. There's multiple reasons we left them so long ago, and they've only gotten worse since then. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:10, 26 January 2019 (EST)
::::::^ What this guy said. Other wikis have quit Wikia too when they hit their breaking points. (And then Wikia bought Gamepedia, where a bunch of wikis went to specifically to *escape* Wikia) - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 11:32, 27 January 2019 (EST)
:::::::Oh, I know all about that. My point probably should have been made clearer. If we really don't want to help Wikia/Fandom, why link to their sites at all? If, on the other hand, we want to utilize the wikis they host as a resource to help our readers, we should do so with the best formatted links we can use (and not rely on outdated links to continue to redirect). I look at it as us helping the communities hosted there more than the hosting company. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:31, 27 January 2019 (EST)
::::::::Yeah, I'm not a fan of Wikia/Fandom either, but I'm looking at it solely from the perspective of good web design practices, i.e. links should point to actual pages instead of redirects. Whether we should have interwiki linking to Wikia/Fandom at all is an entirely separate discussion. (And one that I'm surprised has taken over a decade to have.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:32, 27 January 2019 (EST)
Not to restart this whole discussion, but the changeover is long since complete, and our existing interwiki links don't seem to work anymore on desktop browsers. I really think it's time we update things on the back end. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:28, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
:Thanks, I have updated the interwiki link based on a [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Interwiki_map#Wikia,_again discussion on here]. Wikia are really shooting themselves in the foot by not maintaining the original redirects though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:50, 1 May 2019 (EDT)
::You ain't kidding. Regardless, thanks for the help! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:48, 1 May 2019 (EDT)

== Another spammer ==

[[User:Ethereum Code]] is plainly not here to build an encyclopedia. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 02:49, 4 March 2019 (EST)
:Hopefully once they realize their spam isn't going to stick, they'll get lost. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:26, 4 March 2019 (EST)
::I am clearly still not up to speed after lungpocalypse now and am missing SOMETHING so could you please make it so the usernames are hidden too? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:36, 4 March 2019 (EST)
:::I've hidden them on the user creation and block logs. So long as we've removed the links they added to their sites, we should be OK anyway. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:56, 4 March 2019 (EST)

== Unable to move page ==

I was trying to move Powa Pro-kun back to [[Power Pro-kun]], but wasn't able to because Power Pro still has leftover edit history from before it was moved to Powa Pro, as it wasn't moved properly due to the move taking place in the middle of the bookworm crash. If it's not too much trouble, could you please delete the Power Pro page so that I can properly move the Powa Pro content back there? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:41, 5 April 2019 (EDT)
:All moved. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:50, 5 April 2019 (EDT)
::Much appreciated! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:08, 5 April 2019 (EDT)

== Possible block evasion ==

Could you please run a check to see if [[User:PZAD457]] and [[User:KS7564‎]] are one and the same? Their recent edits would certainly suggest so, but I wanted to be sure. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:16, 18 August 2019 (EDT)
:I couldn't tell conclusively if they are the same person, sorry. I agree that their recent edits suggest as much though. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:49, 18 August 2019 (EDT)

== Issues with moving images ==

[[File:UserPicNotirishman.jpg|thumb|300px]]
Hey. So, I've been editing on this site for like a good couple years, and recently I've started having issues with moving images again, as seen to the right. I dealt with this before but I honest to god forgot how to fix this. Can you help me understand what to do? Thanks. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:38, 26 August 2019 (EDT)
:That image is a PNG which someone has uploaded as a JPG, so you either need to move it to a png extension or reupload as a jpg. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:52, 26 August 2019 (EDT)

== Identity Error ==

Hey, why have you asked me if I am [[User:RoboWarriorPrime]]? Have I done something wrong? [[User:Grievous Prime|--Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 08:30, 30 August 2019 (EDT)

== Possible use of multiple accounts ==

I think that [[User:Grievous Prime]] and [[User:Thetransformersmorethanmeetstheeye]] may be the same person. Both have edited [[User talk:Cyberlink420/Archive1]] to ask questions. This is a strange behavior that seems unlikely to happen with multiple people.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 05:38, 18 September 2019 (EDT)
:Not so far as I can tell! I'm reasonably confident they're not the same person. Maybe they followed the link from Cyberlink420's talk page. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:44, 18 September 2019 (EDT)
::Okay. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:46, 18 September 2019 (EDT)
:::Did anything come of the check regarding whether one of them was RoboWarriorPrime? I remember you suspected that for a bit. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:38, 18 September 2019 (EDT)
::::The check was inconclusive, so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:06, 18 September 2019 (EDT)
::::Cyberlink420, I hope you didn't mind my editing your talk page to attempt to prevent this problem from recurring. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:22, 19 September 2019 (EDT)
:::::Nah, It's cool. I had assumed the presence of another message on the talk page would have given the hint, but apparently not, so I appreciate you making it explicit. (Side note, I'm still not totally convinced that GP isn't RWP since they've been popping up on the same articles as of late like Battle at Half Dome, Prime Predaking, and Battlechargers, but if abates is willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, I guess I can too.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:33, 19 September 2019 (EDT)

== Caching errors ==

So looking through those pages I marked for speedy deletion a few days ago due to being empty files improperly migrated when the site moved from Wikia, they're still showing up in the list of files (and as large ones at that) despite you having deleted them. I'm going to try uploading a simple image to see if deleting those will get rid of them for good; if you get the chance, I'd appreciate if you'd try deleting them one more time to see if it fixes the issue. Thanks much. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:06, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
:I'm not seeing them in any file lists now, so I guess it worked? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:46, 22 October 2019 (EDT)
::Cool. There's a lot of other files like that, so I'll do an audit of our file list and see how many I can find and mark for removal. Hopefully it shouldn't take too long to get things cleaned up, but it's not a high priority, so don't worry too much about deleting the ones I've marked afterwards; just get to them when you can. Thanks for your help! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:54, 22 October 2019 (EDT)

== A question ==

How do you add image captions? {{unsigned|Gadgetprime12}}
:Hi! In the article where the image is being displayed, you'll see something like <nowiki>[[File:image.jpg|300px|thumb]]</nowiki>. That's the code that displays the image, so adding a caption is a matter of adding it to this code like <nowiki>[[File:image.jpg|300px|thumb|Caption goes here]]</nowiki>, though I should warn you in advance that adding captions on this wiki is regarded as a reward for making a significant contribution, so you should concentrate on editing in other areas before you start adding them.
:You can read more about the syntax this wiki uses in [[Help:Editing]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:34, 31 October 2019 (EDT)

== Changing visibility of the really old bad junk ==

Think I'm going a little too crazy? Most of the ones I've been working on are NOT kid friendly. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 02:35, 22 January 2020 (EST)
:Sounds like a good plan. Excellent work! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 05:42, 22 January 2020 (EST)
:Seems like a totally worthwhile endeavor to me. Why let that fester in the baseboards? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 09:10, 22 January 2020 (EST)

== I'd like to rename my account. ==

I'd like it changed to Tyranno. --[[User:Razorsaw|Tyranno]] ([[User talk:Razorsaw|talk]]) 18:53, 1 May 2020 (EDT)
:All done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:01, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

== Ruby text support ==

I'm curious if it's possible to port over the necessary css here for a template like {{w|Template:Ruby-ja|this}}? It'd come in handy for a couple of stuff. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:10, 18 May 2020 (EDT)
:I've just had a brief look at it, but it should be possible to do. Seems reasonable simple! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:27, 18 May 2020 (EDT)

== Change username ==

Hi! I'm posting as you asked on Discord :)

Could you change my username to "Aristiana" please?

Thanks!

== Username change, take 2: Flawlessvoid -> Prime Radiant ==

Would you kindly change it?

Thank you! [[User:Flawlessvoid|Prime Radiant]] ([[User talk:Flawlessvoid|talk]]) 21:05, 5 August 2020 (EDT)

== World of Warships: Transformers template? ==

I mean, I could follow the other video game templates to create one for ''[[World of Warships: Transformers]]'' and go from there, but I don't think my markup language is up to snuff. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 20:18, 12 September 2020 (EDT)
:Sure, I can put together an image template for World of Warships. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:40, 12 September 2020 (EDT)
::Much thanks! --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 23:53, 12 September 2020 (EDT)

== Could you please change my username? ==

Hello. Could you please change my username to ChangingFate? Thank you. [[User:ZodiacLegacy911|ChangingFate]] ([[User talk:ZodiacLegacy911|talk]]) 18:25, 17 September 2020 (EDT)
:Done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:32, 17 September 2020 (EDT)

== Tweaking the video game template? ==

Maybe add a "End of service: *date*" to the video game template, so that it can be used for the mobile games? A few other Wikis have it on theirs, like ''[https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Before_Crisis_-Final_Fantasy_VII- Before Crisis: Final Fantasy VII]'' and ''[https://aselia.fandom.com/wiki/Tales_of_the_Rays Tales of the Rays]''. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 03:21, 21 September 2020 (EDT)
:That seems like a good idea, especially since it's becoming more common these days! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 04:19, 21 September 2020 (EDT)

== Realeffigdeal archive ==

Can the ROTF viral sites be documented in a source page?
Realeffingdeal and Gianteffingrobots.com. Though they will be incomplete since not all of it is saved (especially the second site). I want to archive the surviving images and the posts regardless.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 10:37, 2 November 2020 (EST)

== Heyo back with another name change ==

Fast forward 3 years! I feel bad that I think I started the tidal wave of people coming to you to change names but you do offer the best service in town! Alright, I'll stop playin' around, I would like my name changed to Notsoalex. Thank you! [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 00:24, 14 November 2020 (EST)

== How To Create Media Wiki ==

How do I go about creating a wiki website?
[[User:CarverSindile|CarverSindile]] ([[User talk:CarverSindile|talk]]) 22:53, 28 November 2020 (EST)
:Hi, the MediaWiki website has a [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:Installation_guide very detailed guide] on installing MediaWiki. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 03:41, 29 November 2020 (EST)
::Yes, I saw that and I still couldn't figure it out that's why I've decided to ask people.[[User:CarverSindile|CarverSindile]] ([[User talk:CarverSindile|talk]]) 06:21, 29 November 2020 (EST)
:::Briefly: it's a case of signing up with a web host and paying for some web space. How you go from there will depend on the web host you've chosen - some have a control panel interface that will let you install MediaWiki by selecting an option, or otherwise you'd need to download MediaWiki and install it yourself. The web host may have help documents that tell you how to install MediaWiki (e.g. [https://help.dreamhost.com/hc/en-us/articles/217292577-MediaWiki-overview here are dreamhost's instructions]).
:::Alternately you can use a wiki farm, which takes care of all the hosting and so on for you. Our sister wiki use ShoutWiki and I've also heard good things about Miraheze, though you may want to talk to someone who's actually used it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:49, 29 November 2020 (EST)
::::I was going to talk with the person who created this site but that user hasn't been active in what, two years? [[User:CarverSindile|CarverSindile]] ([[User talk:CarverSindile|talk]]) 15:03, 29 November 2020 (EST)
::::I spent more time looking up info and was wondering what WebHost this site uses and how much it costs a month.[[User:CarverSindile|CarverSindile]] ([[User talk:CarverSindile|talk]]) 07:36, 12 February 2021 (EST)
:::::We use Linode for hosting. You can see their [https://www.linode.com/pricing/ pricing here]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:46, 12 February 2021 (EST)

== Dylan Gould's maid ==

Well if you don't think "maid" is a great name for the elderly lady who work for [[Dylan Gould]] that appears when [[Sam Witwicky]] visited [[Carly Spencer]] in her job at [[Hotchkiss Gould Investments]] and when Dylan revealed he work for Decepticons in [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|DOTM]]. Then how should we call her? Also do you know her "In universe real name" and the actress who played her in the movie? Because i want to create an article about her, but i need to know who played her in the film to create an article about her in-film role. And fast because the image that i uploaded is about to be deleted. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 17:14, 13 December 2020 (EST)
:A maid is generally someone who does cleaning, whereas the elderly lady in question appears to be an assistant of some sort. The information you're looking for is likely to be in the movie's internal documentation which, AFAIK, has never been made public, so you're looking for information which I don't believe is available to us. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:22, 13 December 2020 (EST)
::I discovered that her Brazilian voice actor is [[Marly Ribeiro]], but of course that piece of information is not enough, since the article about [[Dylan Gould's watchdogs|Dylan's dogs]] was created only because they both have "in-universe" names (or in this case nicknames) and the identity of the [[Shooter and Hottie|dog actors who played them]] confirmed. I was originally going to call her "Dylan Gould's aide", due to the fact that she helps him the same way [[Charlotte Mearing|Charlotte]] [[Mearing's aide]] does, but i called her maid because the word "aide" was used for the [[Trump Tower]]'s female workers in his dogs' article. So i'll call her Dylan Gould's assistant okay? As for how i'm going to save the image i uploaded from being deleted is by creating an article about her, but first, i need to find more information about her. And trust me, it's not gonna be easy racing against time, since i'll have to find something that is most likely impossible to find before time runs out. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 11:35, 14 December 2020 (EST)
:::I'd be interested to know where you found Marly Ribeiro was her voice actor! Unfortunately the IMDB page lists a lot of uncredited people, but no one, apparently, for that role. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:17, 14 December 2020 (EST)
::::it's much easier than you could expect Abates, recently my husband Renato and i were re-watching DOTM to have that amazing nostalgia feeling of the day when we went to the theaters and watched the [[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|then-apparent]] final chapter of the [[Live-action film series]] together, suddendly we both noticed that her voice in our language was the same of a character from a kid cartoon that our son Gabriel was watching at the time. We then correctly deduced that it was the same voice actor, so after watching the movie and put Gabriel to sleep, Renato then searched for who voiced her in the movie, but nothing was found, until i decided to search for the voice actor of the kid cartoon character instead, and then i found the answer, that's how we both killed the riddle of who's her Brazilian voice actor which is Marly Ribeiro. As for her actress, Fanofcoolstuff27 told me he discovered who played her in the film, so go and check his talk page to find out who is her actress and how he found out. Sorry for not telling this before, but in December my family is passing through so many difficulties and i just didn't had enough time to be active here, i managed to a few contributions this month but still very hard to keep the pace. Anyways Marry Christmas! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 21:30, 25 December 2020 (EST)
:::::Thanks for the response, very interesting! Sorry to hear about your family difficulties, and I hope you're having a merry Christmas regardless. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 23:36, 25 December 2020 (EST)
::::::I just thought to update you, yesterday i've created the page for [[Jennifer Williams|her actress]], and now i created the page for the [[Dylan Gould's assistant|in-film role]]. Guess i'm returning be able to be active here much sooner than expected now that there's 2 days left to end this cursed year then. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 11:24, 29 December 2020 (EST)

== Project: Black Knife ==

Do you and/or [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] know something about Project: Black Knife from ''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''? Because i'm also planning in creating its page. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 18:36, 29 December 2020 (EST)
:Sorry, it's been a long time since I saw Revenge of the Fallen and I don't remember what Project: Black Knife even was. One tip I can give you though is to leave the colon out of the name, as the MediaWiki software automatically redirects any title starting with "Project:" to "Transformers Wiki:". --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:53, 29 December 2020 (EST)
::Is there any way to remove that? "Project:" as a namespace isn't really a thing here. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:02, 29 December 2020 (EST)
:::Unfortunately the Project namespace redirect is a system thing and I don't believe there's any way to remove it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:02, 29 December 2020 (EST)
:::I just created the page for the [[Project Black Knife|Project: Black Knife]]. Go and check it out! Thanks for the information that you've provided. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 19:50, 29 December 2020 (EST)

== Human Collaborators ==

I am going to create a page about all the humans who work for the Decepticons in [[Transformers: Dark of the Moon (film)|Dark of the Moon]]. Should "Human Collaborators" be considered an organization or a group? If you know what should i consider about them, then i'll make it happen. Spoiler: all the members who were not in [[Chicago]] were killed by the Decepticons, all the members who were in Chicago, except for [[Dylan Gould|their leader]] were killed by [[Bumblebee (Movie)|Bumblebee]] when he destroyed the apartment in [[Trump Tower]], and finally, Dylan is killed by [[Sam Witwicky|Sam]]. everything i'll insert on the page is based on what i learned when i watched the film, so this claim of mine about all them being dead at the end of the film is true so don't change-it please. Hope you have a Happy New Year. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 23:46, 29 December 2020 (EST)
:I am not sure at all that that was intended as a proper noun. Megatron was just saying that they should kill the humans who collaborated with them. It's entirely possible that the collaborators were not aware of each other, and I think it would be a stretch to call it an organization or group. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:16, 30 December 2020 (EST)

::Exactly what i'm talking about, [[Megatron (Movie)|Megatron]] ordered them to kill ''all the humans who collaborated with them'' to make sure their plan wouldn't be exposed, some of them were disposed off before the party where he revealed their relationship with the Decepticons to Sam, and after the party was over, the remaining collaborators where (including his friends and his assistant) where all killed, they didn't killed Dylan because he gained permission to stay alive by selling [[Human|his race]] as slaves to them and they didn't killed his bodyguards because every rich person as Dylan for exemple must always have someone to defend them from danger.

::During the onslaught in his apartment, there is one brief moment that shows Bumblebee's firing from Carly's point of view (POV) and in that moment it's possible to see that there were no bodyguards there. And if you saw the moment when an [[Orbital Assault Carrier]] ambushed Sam and Epps' team, the bullets from the Carriers causes a human to be reduced to dust, which is exactly what happened to them in that scene, i know all his bodyguards did also duck and covered themselves but the fire literally obliterated his apartment completely. Also his bodyguards are so loyal to him that they follow him anywhere he goes if he is outside of any of his properties, (i know the garden where he revealed he work for the Decepticons to Sam belongs to his estate but he was outside of his mansion, so that also counts), but in the moment where he approached [[35 East Wacker]] to inform that the Autobots are still alive none of his bodyguards came with him, which proves once again that they were murdered by Bumblebee when he decided they must pay for all the evil they were causing with their lives.

::If you don't believe me there is one piece of information that proves it other than visual facts and concrete dialogs, that being the movie's script. And no its not an earlier version of the script that was later revised, its the script in its final version (the version that is 100% accurate to how it happened in the film itself), the script in its final version is even in many script websites you can go and see. Unfortunately those websites don't have the text of what happens in the scene, only the characters' dialogs, and DOTM is not the only movie in which the final version of the script includes only the characters' dialogs in script websites, there're many other movies which suffers the same fate as DOTM in those websites. How do i know that you may ask, because sometime after i completed my 11th birthday, i was searching for the movie's script to learn more about the human villains from ''Dark of the Moon'' on the internet since i wanted to know what happened to all of them, when suddenly i found a website which has the script on its final version, i was too young to understand English at the time, but with Renato's help i managed to translate everything, and after analyzing every single text written on it, it was left clear for us that is the script on its final version and so what happened to all the human collaborators was finally revealed to us. After discovering that, i took pictures from my computer screen using a camera that i received for my birthday, of the writings that mentioned what happened to all of them, which is about their deaths, exactly as i said above, after i took the pictures we then printed the photos and guarded them inside a box with things of my childhood, so that i could recall them once i was more older. Nine years later both Renato and i forgot that they all died and the photos we took before, but i had a dê-ja-vu feeling when i interpreted in my mind that they all died. So we searched for it on the movie's script again, only to find out it didn't had the text from the scenes and only has the dialogs. Now in [[2021]] because of every goddamn thing that happened last year, we're gonna have to move to a new home, and one day while making preparations to move out, Gabriel have found that box with things from our childhood, and after opening it we found the pictures and remembered them, it was thanks to our son that we found official evidences of their deaths to prove here and create the page.

::As for the page, i want to create-it because the story of everything they did goes beyond what was showed to us in the film, one of them appeared in the [[Transformers: Rising Storm|Rising Storm]] comic miniseries & their origin and why [[Soundwave (ROTF)|Soundwave]] decided the Decepticons should have human allies is explained in the [[Transformers: Convergence|Convergence]] prose-story. But i will include only the members who were relevant to the comic, prose-story and movie's plot. Those members being [[Dylan Gould]], [[Gould|his father]], [[Dylan Gould's assistant|his assistant]], his bodyguards, [[Alexi Voskhod]], [[Voskhod|his uncle]], [[Jerry Wang]] and [[Bob Singer|the Engineer]], and no i won't create an page about Dylan's bodyguards because that would be ridiculously dumb.

::I talked about this to [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) but he said that i was just speculating things, after that i said that i would keep it to myself and i wouldn't do any change nor create the page because of what he told me, now i regret doing that since i'm afraid he won't believe me about what i'm telling you right now.

::Sorry for not talking to you at the very beginning of the year but just like December i'm not having free time to be here due to us being packing our stuff to move out, i was able to make some contributions right at the beginning of the 2021 but not to talk to someone about anything on their User talk pages. Still Happy 2021 and hope that this year is better than the fraggin' crap that was [[2020]]! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 13:50, 15 January 2021 (EST)
:::That is quite a lot of text and I am not sure I am following the gist of your argument. The fate of these people doesn't have any relevance to whether they can be considered a coherent organization. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:05, 16 January 2021 (EST)

::::Sorry if my last reply was too extensive but its because there was so many things that i found out about the collaborators and that happened in the meantime and i wanted to explain everything to you. I know the fact that my son (who is 2 years old) managed to find the box where my husband and i guarded the pictures we took from the website where we found the movie's script in its final version when we were kids at that time seems like an impossible case scenario, but what happened was that one day after we were done making our preparations to move out for that day to continue in the following day, we forgot that we left the ladder to attic opened, Gabriel was playing inside the house and sometime while none of us where paying attention he went upstairs and entered the attic. When we found him there he was opening all the boxes he found, after preventing him from opening more i saw that one of the boxes he opened contained things from our childhood that we forgot, including the pictures i took when i was 11 years old, that how he found it.

::::That's all what happened that brought me here and allow me to have an evidence that all the collaborators are as good as dead. You may not follow the gist of my last argument but its true, since if wasn't i wouldn't come up with the idea to create a page about them. In fact i never wanted to write any speculation of mine on this wiki since i always go for concrete facts about the brand.

::::Speaking of which you shouldn't have said that "their fates are irrelevant to whether they can be considered a coherent organization" because after what Fanofcoolstuff27 told me, i realized that human collaborators is not a group nor an organization, and so when i create the page it'll read like ''"the human collaborators are Decepticon-allied humans from the Dark of the Moon portion of the Live-action continuity family"'' and of course reveal what happened to them and include the fact that its revealed in the script on the notes section of the page, so that fans will know what happened to all of them at the end of the film and so prevent it from being changed to look ambiguous, since that's what everyone thinks when about them when (as i'm saying a lot of times above) the script reveals what happened to all of them, besides i think that creating a page about the collaborators is a good way to celebrate Transformers: Dark of the Moon 10th year anniversary. I'll wait for your reply thanks! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 20:25, 16 January 2021 (EST)
:::::Human collaborators are not unique to Dark of the Moon. E.G. [[Shawn Berger]] can be regarded a human collaborator because he worked with the Decepticons. Then you have the question over whether, say, [[Marissa Faireborn]] would be covereed since she was part of the EDC in the IDW comics when they were working with the Decepticons.
:::::All that aside, I am not sure why you are trying to persuade me in particular that the wiki needs this page. A wiki is a group effort. If you are determined to create this, I would suggest creating it as a sandbox page and asking the community at large. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:30, 17 January 2021 (EST)

::::::Abates, i'm not persuading you, i'm just saying everything to let you know about this subject and what i plan to do with it. I now understand that the human collaborators are something that exists from the beginning of the brand, and so i'm going to do what you've said and i'll create it as a sandbox and ask everyone if this wiki should really have it. Thanks! --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 11:22, 17 January 2021 (EST)

Just letting you know, you've more than likely found an unofficial transcript of the dialogue which can be found for just about any film on the web. People with a lot of spare time write down every line of dialogue from films. This also sometimes leads to made up dialogue if something has been misinterpreted by the person recording the dialogue in written format. If the writer has used extracted subtitle files from films, that can also lead to misinterpreted dialogue (e.g. Bonecrusher's growls and alien gibberish being misinterpreted as spoken English words in the official subtitles for the first film or Animated's subtitles mistaking Shockwave's name for "Chug-Way").

As for the body guards dying in the apartment, it is still just built on speculation. Yes, the Decepticon ship weapons turn humans to dust, but there is no dust or bones shown in the apartment. Again, we can't record anything on the wiki if it hasn't been confirmed or shown visibly. Their fates are simply left ambiguous. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 17:51, 17 January 2021 (EST)

:Fanofcollstuff27, i know that the final version of the script that i found is an transcript made by someone, after all its obvious that no movie company would do something like that, but the version i'm talking specifically about is accurate to how it happened in the film.

:As for the collaborators in DOTM most of what i'm saying is true, after all if Megatron ordered them to execute all of them to avoid any danger of his plans being exposed, then they really did killed them all, except for Dylan since he sold humanity as slaves for them so that their plan could finally be set into motion. But the bodyguards is the only part that's causing a lotta headache here, i know there was no dust or bones shown in the apartment during the slaughter after rescuing Carly, but their deaths could have happened while the drone sent by the government was descending to see what was going on, and so it wasn't shown to us. Also as i said on your talk page and this one, his body guards are so loyal to him they follow him anywhere he goes, so that means they should have followed Dylan when he approached 35 East Wacker to warn them about the situation, but as we saw in the film none of his body guards came with him. And last but not least the reason why there weren't dust or bones is because the slaughter was caused by the [[Orbital Assault Carrier]]'s guns, not by the [[Disintegrator ray]]. Since the Disintegrator ray is the Carrier's weapons that causes the Humans to be reduced to dust with only remaining of their corpses being their skeletons, while the guns kills the human in a way that leaves absolutely nothing of their corpses, no body, no blood, no organs, no bones, no clothes, no dust, nothing, like if the victim didn't even existed. So why did i said that the guns causes to be reduced to dust with bones instead of being reduced to absolutely nothing? Because i decided that i would say only what fans want to hear, since one day while i was talking about what each of the Orbital Assault Carrier's guns do to the human body and when i said that the guns causes to be reduced to nothing and the disintegrator rays causes to be reduced to dust and bones, all the members of our transformers' fan club on my school shouted at me '''''"IF YOU CLAIM THAT THE ORBITAL ASSAULT CARRIERS' GUNS REDUCE US TO NOTHING AND THE ORBITAL ASSAULT CARRIERS' DISINTEGRATOR RAYS REDUCE US TO DUST WITH BONES, YOU'RE NOT A TRUE TRANSFORMERS' FAN!"'''''. So that's why i did that. I'm sorry.

:If you and/or Abates want to reply me again, please don't do it here, do it on [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal|the wiki's community portal]] because this is the last time i'll talk about this here, since i'll bring this conversation there so that more people can discuss about it. --[[User:Cybertron Forever|Cybertron Forever]] ([[User talk:Cybertron Forever|talk]]) 16:13, 18 January 2021 (EST)

== Backing up the wiki with rsync ==
I've been wondering about an older outstanding item from the tech wiki article:

::Long term, we should find someone to host an rsync backup of the entire /var/lib/mediawiki directory, along with an offsite replica of the MySQL database. While it would take a while to reupload the data, this would effectively preserve the wiki in the event of a complete catastrophic datacenter failure.

Synching MySQL and InnoDB can be tricky (especially with InnoDB), but even just backing up /var/lib/mediawiki to a separate Linode and using `mysqldump` every so often would be a good start? Would love to work out the details. Also, plesae let me know if there's a better place to work this out too. Thanks! [[User:Prime Radiant|Prime Radiant]] ([[User talk:Prime Radiant|talk]]) 09:44, 24 January 2021 (EST)
:Linode does provide regular backups, for what it's worth. Discord might be an easier place to discuss stuff. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:35, 24 January 2021 (EST)

== Yet another Username Change ==
I'd like it changed to just "Some Dweeb". [[User:Some Disney dweeb|Some Disney dweeb]] ([[User talk:Some Disney dweeb|talk]]) 16:39, 3 February 2021 (EST)
:Done! You may need to relog in. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:51, 3 February 2021 (EST)

==Comic Panels==
Greetings, apologize for writing here but trying to get some assistance with a wiki I am working on and was wondering where you got the code of the comic panel info for the wiki? How did you set this up?
[[User:ironhide1975| ironhide1975]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]])
:Hi, [[User:Interrobang]] is the one who originally created [[Template:Comicstory]], but I am not sure where he originally got it from or if he wrote it himself, and he hasn't edited here in many years. If you want to use the same code on your wiki, you will need to also copy the .infobox styling from [[MediaWiki:Common.css]]. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:42, 5 February 2021 (EST)

== RBA screencaps ==

Thanks again for your hard work as usual filling out the RBA articles! Just a hot tip, but if you use the Discovery Family app, you can watch the show with no network bug in the corner, with no HDCP preventing screencaps either. They stay available to stream until 30 days after their US airdate, so while it's not super helpful for replacing images from old episodes, it's a great way to get clean images as new episodes air. If you don't have access to it, though, feel free to ping me in the Discord when you're uploading a new pic so I can get you a clean version! -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:22, 19 March 2021 (EDT)
:Unfortunately that app's restricted to the US, but thanks! I'll give you a ping in Discord next time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:33, 19 March 2021 (EDT)

== Belts ==

Can you delete these pages please? They were created due to a mistake I made.
{{-}}
[[Earth belt]], [[Cybertron belt]], [[Galactic belt]]

In order to move back the pages below, the above ones need to be deleted.
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[[Earth Belt]], [[Cybertron Belt]], [[Galactic Belt]] --[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 17:37, 7 May 2021 (EDT)
:As proper nouns, wouldn't the "Belt" in "Cybertron Belt" be capitalized? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:27, 7 May 2021 (EDT)
::That is what I thought, but seeing [[Unicron virus|this]] page made me question it, but perhaps I was mistaken. So, you think they should be capitalized?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 18:31, 7 May 2021 (EDT)
:::It would help to know how it's capitalized in the source material, I think? I'm not familiar with it. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:14, 7 May 2021 (EDT)
::::In the game, every letter is capitalized. But I don't think it matters, they are most likely as you say, proper nouns.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 21:19, 7 May 2021 (EDT)
== username change ==

Would it be possible to change my username to MadameVixen? [[User:Chaosomega|Chaosomega]] ([[User talk:Chaosomega|talk]]) 00:53, 13 May 2021 (EDT)
:All done! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:43, 13 May 2021 (EDT)

== New insignia icon ==

Hey, I noticed the TF Prime toyline page is currently using a Decepticon insignia instead of the Star Seeker one for Thundertron's toy and I also discovered that we didn't have a Star Seeker bulletpoint either., so I decided to give it a go making the bulletpoint myself, but I think I may have missed something somewhere in the coding as the image won't display on the [[Template:Bp-a1/doc]] page.

Would you possibly be able to give me a hand?

To make it easier to find, here is the template I made and the file I uploaded:
*[[Template:Bp-ss]]
*[[:File:StarSeekerbp.png]]

Thanks. [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 06:48, 4 July 2021 (EDT)
:It needs a line added into the site's stylesheets. I can do that now, no problem. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 06:59, 4 July 2021 (EDT)
::Ah, I see that it works now. Tysm! [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 07:07, 4 July 2021 (EDT)

== Name Change ==

I am currently User:Cosmos1 but would like to have the user name Waverod, as discussed in the Discord server. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 06:16, 19 September 2021 (EDT)

Merkle Press

2021-09-14T20:28:20Z

Waverod: Proper indefinite pronoun

'''Merkle Press''' is an [[Earth]] company. They charge $1 for transcripts.

==Fiction==
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
Earth broadcasts with Merkle Press's offer was picked up by the [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]]. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (episode)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

[[Category:Generation 1 businesses]]

Talk:Transformers: Shattered Glass (IDW)

2021-08-26T20:55:55Z

Waverod: /* Article titling */ Support for Shattered Glass issue # as is apparent title

==Article titling==
I feel the issue articles should be renamed to "Shattered Glass issue 1" or "Shards Part 1". If "Shards" isn't in the actual comic at all, I'm not sure why we're sticking to that or acting like it's the name of the series? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:42, 26 August 2021 (EDT)
: Looking at the cover pictured in the article, I would support the "Shattered Glass issue 1" format if no titles are given to the specific issues. The title of the comic certainly looks like it's "Transformers: Shattered Glass", not "Shards". [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 16:55, 26 August 2021 (EDT)

Retreat

2021-08-23T01:32:11Z

Waverod: /* Synopsis */ The Overhaul/Leobreaker in this episode is the one from the UT, not G1

{{episode
|series=Cybertron
|ep=25
|series2=Galaxy Force
|ep2=26
|title="Retreat"
|japanese=3つ目のプラネットフォース
|romaji=Mittsu Me no Planet Force
|translation=The Third Planet Force
|image=Cyb_ep25_starscream_victorious.jpg
|caption="Can't move...too much...kibble!"
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Aichi]], [[We've]], [[Tōkyū Agency]]
|writer=[[Hiro Masaki]]
|director=[[Mitsuru Kawasaki]], [[Manabu Ono]]
|animation studio=[[GONZO]]
|airdate=[[July 2]], [[2005]] (Japanese) [[October 21]], 2005 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy cartoon timeline|Unicron Trilogy cartoon continuity]]
}}

'''With the kids held captive by the government, Starscream's forces closing in and the Omega Lock and Cyber Planet Keys on the line, the Autobots have only one desperate choice left...'''

==Synopsis==

[[File:Cyb ep25 tim meets autobots.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2]]

As [[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]]'s [[Ancient Decepticon]]s continue to swarm across the [[Earth]] in search of the third [[Cyber Planet Key]], [[Tim Hansen]] returns home to check on his family, only to find their house empty. He calls on Mr. [[Stanton]] (who is taking the whole "alien invasion" thing with great calmness), who offers to help him look for them.

In the [[Autobot]] base, the Autobots are trying to pull a plan of action together, starting with the shutting down of all radio communications to keep their location secret. [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] connects a cable from the base into a human telephone tower, and the Autobots use this system to keep in contact with the panicking Autobot refugees to keep them calm. After [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] departs to recover Earth's Cyber Planet Key from the hiding place in which he has stored it, [[Vector Prime]] voices his concern over the fact that he is unable to contact the kids or the [[Mini-Con]]s. [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] is way ahead of him, and has already sent [[Hot Shot (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Hot Shot]] and [[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] to search for them. While on their search, the two Autobots nearly get into an accident with Tim, who runs his car off the road. When the distressed elder Hansen cries his brothers' names to the heavens, Hot Shot and Landmine realize who he is, and assure him that they'll find his brothers.

[[File:Cyb ep25 jolt rescue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2]]

Little does anyone realize that the kids, their families and the Mini-Cons have been taken into custody by [[Mike Franklin|Colonel Franklin]]. Despite Franklin's claims that he genuinely wants to help the Autobots, and with photographic proof of their covert activities laid out on the table in front of them, [[Coby Hansen|Coby]], [[Bud Hansen|Bud]] and [[Lori Jiménez|Lori]] continue to play dumb. Meanwhile, elsewhere in the complex, [[Lucy Suzuki]] approaches the [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]] Mini-Cons and helps them to escape, shocking the engineers and scientists examining them when the three driver-less vehicles move under their own power. [[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]] and [[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] drive through the corridors of the building and burst into the room where Franklin is holding the kids, while [[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] flies outside and opens a warp in the wall of the building. Coby leaps through the warp to join Lucy in Jolt's cockpit while Bud and Lori board the other Mini-Cons, and they depart with great speed, promising their parents that they will explain everything later. Not long after making good on their escape, Jolt decides to radio ahead to the Autobot base and inform them of the government's knowledge, unaware of the communications blackout. Unfortunately, [[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] picks up his transmission and pinpoints the location of the Autobots' headquarters! The humans and Mini-Cons return to the Autobot base with all due speed, arriving just as the Decepticons begin to close in on its position. The Autobots are shocked that Coby has brought Lucy, an "outsider", into their base, but with more pressing matters at hand, the issue is tabled as Optimus hands down a grave order: to protect the humans and their city, the Autobots must leave Earth!

[[File:Cyb ep25 starscream ransom.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|Damn it, if you have someone at gunpoint, SHOOT THEM!!]]

As the Decepticons approach the Autobot base, Starscream and Sideways spot Evac returning from his trip to the North Pole to collect the Cyber Planet Key. Starscream accosts him and spots the Key in his hand, but Evac is able to get away by bamboozling the Decepticons with a battery of homing missiles. The other Autobots, meanwhile, are ascending a [[space bridge]] to [[Velocitron]] when they spot Evac approaching, with the two Decepticons on his tail. [[Jetfire (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Jetfire]] rushes to his aid and holds the villains off, allowing Evac to join up with the other Autobots, but then, as Jetfire attempts to withdraw, Starscream seizes him and hurls him to the ground, right by the kids and Lucy. Starscream lands beside them and aims his blaster at the group, ransoming them for the Cyber Planet Key, but Jolt quickly uses his warping ability to teleport them all to safety. With the humans and Jetfire out of danger, Optimus Prime shifts to [[Super Mode]] to open fire on the Ancient Decepticons, blasting many of them out of the sky. Starscream, meanwhile, boards the space bridge, and a colossal battle royale of epic proportions ensues, as he slashes, blasts and bludgeons his way through the entire Autobot army.

[[File:Cyb ep25 god mode.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|Starscream is here to kick ass and chew bubblegum, and, yes, ''he brought enough for everybody.'']]

Hot Shot and [[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] are the first to fall to Starscream's blades, quickly followed by [[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] and [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]]. Landmine and [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] fire their attacks at the same time, but Starscream rides the currents of Landmine's Cyber Tempest to strike them down from above. Jetfire scores a direct hit with his cannons, leaving Starscream's body blackened and sparking, but is so amazed to see the Decepticons survive the attack that he is caught off guard by a volley from Starscream's chest blasters. Leobreaker and [[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] are next into action, and actually manage to break off one of Starscream's swords before they are taken down, leaving only Evac and Vector Prime. Starscream takes a direct route with Evac, simply kicking him off the space bridge and picking up the dropped Cyber Planet Key. With the last of his strength, he beats Vector Prime into unconsciousness and takes the Omega Lock and the two other Keys.

[[File:Cyb ep25 starscream vs prime.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.2|Maybe Optimus was too tough for him, or maybe 'Scream was just getting bored of beating Autobots like cheap drums.]]

Starscream thinks his objective is complete...until Optimus Prime lands in front of him, declaring that he will not allow the Lock and Keys to fall into [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]]'s hands. Starscream laughs, telling Prime that he has no intention of giving this power to anyone other than himself. Prime is intent on teaching Starscream that living for only yourself will never lead to success, as he merges with the recovered Leobreaker and takes Starscream on in Savage Claw Mode. Starscream is no match for Prime's power, and both he and the Lock and Keys are sent tumbling off the space bridge. Prime dives after the Lock and Keys, but Starscream recovers mid-fall and makes one final gamble, launching a missile at the watching humans below. Prime is forced to break off his pursuit of the Lock and offer himself as a living shield against the missile, but this gives Starscream the time to grab the Lock and Keys and make his escape through a [[dimension gate]].

With the Lock and Keys lost to them, the Autobots regroup, and the kids apologize, blaming themselves for being the cause of Starscream's success. The Autobots tell them not to worry about it: Starscream stole the Keys, so they'll just steal them right back, but they'll need their help to do it! However, as everyone's spirits start to rise and they psyche themselves up for the coming battle, Colonel Franklin appears from the shadow of the nearby forest, and declares that it is finally time for them to talk...
{{-}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Override (Cybertron)|Override]] (3)
*[[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] (4)
*[[Crosswise (Cybertron)|Crosswise]] (5)
*[[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]] (6)
*[[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] (7)
*[[Vector Prime]] (8)
*[[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (9)
*[[Jetfire (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Jetfire]] (10)
*[[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]] (11)
*[[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Leobreaker]] (12)
*[[Hot Shot (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Hot Shot]] (13)
*[[Landmine (Energon)|Landmine]] (14)
*[[Reverb (Cybertron)|Reverb]] (23)
*[[Jolt (Cybertron)|Jolt]] (24)
*[[Six-Speed (Cybertron)|Six-Speed]] (25)
*[[Phreaker|Payphone Autobot]] (30)
*[[Joyride (Cybertron)|Motorcycle refugee]] (31)
*Excavator Autobot (32)
*Dump truck Autobot (33)
*[[Signal Lancer]] (34)
*Bus Autobot (35)
*Submarine Autobot (36)

|c2=
*[[Starscream (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Starscream]] (27)
*[[Mudflap (Cybertron)|Mudflap]] (37)
*[[Thundercracker (Armada)|Thundercracker]] (38)
*[[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (39)
*[[Ransack (Cybertron)|Ransack]] (40)
*Hundreds of [[Ancient Decepticon]]s
|c3=
*Mr. [[Stanton]] (1)
*[[Tim Hansen]] (2)
*[[Mike Franklin]] (15)
*[[Gloria Jiménez|Lori's mother]] (16)
*[[Ernesto Jiménez|Ernesto]] (17)
*[[Mrs. Hansen]] (18)
*[[Robert Hansen]] (19)
*[[Bud Hansen]] (20)
*[[Lori Jiménez|Lori]] (21)
*[[Coby Hansen]] (22)
*[[Lucy Suzuki]] (26)
*Tim's girlfriend (29)

|c4=
*[[Sideways (Armada)|Sideways]] (28)
}}

==Quotes==

'''Franklin:''' The time has come for you to lead me to the Autobots' base. 
'''Lori:''' But sir, what is a "Botanot" anyway? 
'''Coby:''' I just don't understand the point of all this! 
'''Bud:''' ¡No habla Inglés, Señor Franklin!
:—The kids play dumb. Bud's loving it.

"They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Here's three thousand."
:—'''Franklin''' delivers the coolest one-liner ever associated with looking at photographs.

"Sorry, mom, but I gotta save the world!"
:—'''Coby''' just before jumping out a window into a moving helicopter. His mother must feel very reassured.

"It's raining Decepticons... and you don't have an umbrella!"
:—'''Starscream''''s gonna let himself get absolutely soaking wet.

"Right. Looks like you've lost your only bargaining chip, Starscream—so ''now'', I'm not holding anything back!!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' begins the smackdown.

"I ''love'' Autobot Bowling!" 
"Well, this pin strikes back!"
:—'''Starscream''' shouts his enjoyment at defeating Hot Shot and Override, and '''Crosswise''' tries to put him in his place.

"Heheheheheh... You think I've gone through all ''this''... for an arrogant fool like Megatron? This power is ''mine!''"
:—'''Starscream'''

"You see, Starscream, when you betray those around you, you've got no one you can rely on!" 
"But when you're part of a team, you never stand alone!" 
"It really is a valuable lesson—but some people have to learn the hard way!"
:—'''Optimus Prime''' and '''Leobreaker''', preparing to show Starscream the power of teamwork-via a Savage Claw Mode beatdown.

"Your team is your strength, Optimus... but it's also your one weakness!"
:—'''Starscream''', as he reveals just how far he's willing to go to get the Omega Lock and Cyber Planet Keys by firing a missile at the humans.

==Notes==

===Differences with ''Galaxy Force''===
[[File:cyb ep25 gigiddy.jpg|thumb|Come on, the kid's got enough to worry about without hormones being thrown into the mix.]]
*When Sideways returns to Starscream's side, ''Galaxy Force'' indicates that he is only just now getting back after his pursuit of Crosswise, as seen in "[[Trap]]" and "[[Invasion (episode)|Invasion]]". This is a bit out of whack, chronologically speaking, so ''Cybertron'' changes the dialogue so that Sideways is returning from searching for the Autobots' base.
*In ''Galaxy Force'', when the kids discuss how humans will react to Transformers, Lori brings up the time that Landmine's footprints were found. This occurred in the chronologically earlier episode "[[Inferno (episode)|Inferno]]", but because that episode hadn't been dubbed yet for ''Cybertron'', it's changed to a more generic remark for the dub.
*After Coby makes the leap to Jolt's cockpit, his face is red and flushed. In ''Cybertron'', this is exhilaration at having made the jump; in ''Galaxy Force'', it's blushing embarrassment at sharing the cramped confines of Jolt's cockpit with a hot older lady, who has her arms wrapped around him.
*After Optimus tells the kids the Autobots must leave Earth, ''Galaxy Force'' has Lori tell Coby that it must be. In ''Cybertron'', she tells Coby to convince Optimus to stay.
*As the Autobots file up the transparent space bridge runway, in ''Cybertron'' Coby sprints after them, imploring them to stay on the planet as they are still needed on Earth. In ''Galaxy Force'' he is beseeching them all to ''return'' to Earth as soon as they are able. This is probably a simple case of picking one of two dual definitions/ interpretations of the phrase "come back" (to mean right ''now'' or at some point in the future.)
*When Starscream has Jetfire on the ground at gun point he looks up. In ''Galaxy Force'' he's looking up at Optimus and directly demands the Cyber Keys and the Lock. In ''Cybertron'' he's looking up at his troops and gloats "It's raining Decepticons," only implying the use of Jetfire for bargaining a moment later.
**During this same scene in ''Galaxy Force'' Optimus makes a concerned grunt. In ''Cybertron'' he instead says Jolt's name, implicitly cueing him to warp down and save Jetfire (with Vector Prime then more directly ordering Jolt to do it).
**Also during this scene ''Galaxy Force'' has the Ancient Decepticons roaring and moaning, which they don't in ''Cybertron.''

===Animation or technical errors===
*All the footage of civilian Autobots in this episode is recycled from "[[Search (episode)|Search]]". As such, it makes it seems like [[Signal Lancer]] has moved out of the city (where he was seen last episode) and back to his usual spot in the desert in a very short amount of time. That, or there's more than one traffic light Autobot around!
*After Starscream takes down Jetfire, Optimus says "Jolt!" in a concerned voice. He should probably be saying Jetfire's name instead, as Vector Prime directs Jolt to help Starscream's prisoners seconds later.
*When Starscream attacks Optimus on the Space Bridge, his chest cannons appear to be firing rapidly, machine gun-style. However, only a single blue beam (similar to Starscream's regular shots) flies past Optimus when the scene cuts to him.
*When Jetfire notes that aircraft are approaching, [[Brakedown (Cybertron)|Brakedown]] is visible.

===Continuity errors===
*When the kids bring Lucy to the Autobot base, the Autobots are all shocked that the kids have brought in an outsider. While this is an understandable reaction for most of them, it makes no sense for Scattorshot to react this way, as he was formally introduced to her back in "[[Ice]]". Maybe he just wasn't expecting her to be led straight to their base?

===Continuity notes===
*The photos Franklin shows the kids depict events from "[[Race]]" and "[[Ice]]".
*We briefly glimpse Megatron and the other Decepticons in their metal sphere in space, where they have been imprisoned since "[[Trap]]".

===Transformers references===
*Nobody is aware of the Transformers - except, according to [[Scattorshot (Cybertron)|Scattorshot]], some [[Fandom|people on the Internet]] who are getting suspicious.

===Trivia===
*The ''Galaxy Force'' version of this episode finally gives a name to the small town in which Coby and company live: [[Rockville]].
*Starscream defeats ''eleven'' members of Optimus Prime's team in a row. ''By himself''. '''''Wow'''''.
**He then successfully distracts Optimus and gets away with the prize, free and clear. This is arguably the best day ''any'' Starscream has had, ''ever.''
*For the duration of this episode, actress [[Chiara Zanni]] stands in for [[Sarah Edmondson]] as Lori. She continues to do so in the following episode, "[[Revelation (episode)|Revelation]]", and returns to do so in "[[Inferno (episode)|Inferno]]".
*Additionally, this episode provides a rare moment of [[burning justice]] unexplained by the dub, when Starscream surrounds himself with a blazing purple aura for his final attack on Optimus Prime. Later episodes would attempt to explain this phenomenon as an Energon aura produced by sheer willpower.
*Starscream is able to move fast enough to grab Jetfire AFTER he's started flying back. He's also strong enough to throw Jetfire in the other direction with just ONE hand. Later he's even strong enough to send Evac flying with just one KICK.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Galaxy Force'' — Vol. 07 ([[Victor Entertainment]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Cybertron'' — The Ultimate Collection ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Cybertron'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Cybertron episodes]]

Talk:Savage

2021-08-23T00:43:58Z

Waverod: Photo caption question

== Wikipedia, Hamsters, and Elderberries ==

The fourth picture down has a caption which quotes Monty Python and the Holy Grail: "Your mother was a hamster and your father smelt of elderberries!" That's all fine, but it's set up as a link to a Wikipedia article with that quote as the article title. Unsurprisingly, Wikipedia has no such article. Is this link intended to go somewhere else? I'm thinking that the linking should be removed or changed, but I'm not sure what's intended, and I'm not comfortable deciding this by myself. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 20:43, 22 August 2021 (EDT)

Backstop (Cybertron)

2021-08-20T00:38:45Z

Waverod: /* Cybertron */ typo fix: space between "Hasbro" and "releases"

{{factions|jungleplanet|autobot}}
{{disambig3|Backstop}}
{{picsneeded|Fiction}}
:''Backstop is an [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Animatron]]ian [[Autobot]] from the [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]] portion of the [[Unicron Trilogy]] [[continuity family]].''

[[File:Cyb-Backstop01.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Short, wide rhino seeks chick for long walks on beach, eating parasites off hide.]]
A wise elder of [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Animatron]], the Jungle Planet, '''Backstop''' sought enlightenment beyond the boundaries of his world. But when he returned, he found himself focused not on the things he'd learned offworld, but on the strife of his people. Thus, he attempted to teach a new generation of Transformers what he learned and the ways of peace, only to see his brightest pupil, [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], succumb to the evils of tyranny.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars Reborn''===
[[File:Beast Wars Reborn Backstop Optimus Primal.jpg|thumb|left]]
Backstop was an environmental ranger on Animatron. One day, when a [[Optimus Primal (BW)|foreign gorilla Transformer]] was knocked aside by [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] in the dragon's fight with a [[bear Transformer]], Backstop went to the gorilla's aid and introduced himself. {{storylink|Planetfall (BWR)|Planetfall}}
{{-}}

===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Scott McNeil]] (English), [[Masahiko Tanaka]] (Japanese)|[[Jari Salo]] (Finnish), [[Wolf Frass]] (German), [[Salvador Serrano]] (Castilian Spanish), [[Zoltán Tóth]] (Hungarian, 1st dub)}}
[[File:Backstop-Savage.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3]]
Years ago, Backstop sought to teach the young warriors of [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Jungle Planet]] the ways of peace and the honorable warrior. Their planet had long since been ravaged by raiders, and he thought that this new philosophy of "peaceful aggression" would usher in a new age for their people. His students included both [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]], [[Snarl (Cybertron)|Snarl]]. To them, he was like a father, and his charges saw one another as brothers.

However, their bond was torn apart when Scourge resolved to take the fight to the raiders. Backstop protested this, saying that Scourge would begin a cycle of vengeance that would only lead to more pain. Scourge left his master's side, and Snarl went with him, deciding to stand by his friend rather than his master.

Backstop's words would ring true; after Scourge defeated the raiders, his honor and decency began to fade, and the dragon-bot had all of Jungle Planet in his iron-fisted grip. What had began as a fight for peace turned into a dictatorship. {{storylink|Honor}}

[[File:Cyb Ep11 Backstop Intro.jpg|right|upright=1.67|thumb|Because [[Rhinox (Armada)|Rhinox]] was already taken.]]
Years later, Backstop encountered [[Overhaul (Cybertron)|Overhaul]], who had been weakened by the harsh environment of Jungle Planet. Surprised by the fact that Overhaul could turn into a vehicle rather than a beast (though he did recognize the form), Backstop would later learn that Overhaul was in fact from the Transformers' ancient world of Cybertron. {{storylink|Deep}} With Snarl's help, Backstop managed to secure an audience with Scourge. Overhaul would be able to request the Cyber Planet Key from the planet's leader in order to neutralize a black hole threatening the universe. Unfortunately, Overhaul was too forward in his demands. Though Backstop tried his best to have the conversation remain civilized, Overhaul and Scourge soon came to blows. {{storylink|Race}} Backstop urged Overhaul to stand down from the fight, but the Autobot wouldn't hear it. As Backstop warned, Scourge turned out to simply be too powerful during Overhaul's first bout against him... though by tapping into Jungle Planet's Cyber Planet Key, Overhaul managed to upgrade himself into the more formidable "Leobreaker." {{storylink|Detour (episode)|Detour}}

[[File:Cyb ep11 meet the locals.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.6]]

[[Vector Prime]] and [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] next arrived on Jungle Planet, and Backstop helped explain what had come to pass for Overhaul to become Leobreaker to the newcomers. Backstop became affiliated with the Autobots just in time for Scourge and his entourage to turn up and force the off-worlders from both factions against one-another. Backstop managed to prevent Snarl from being taken away for execution while Optimus and the others clashed, eventually emerging victorious from the confrontation when the Autobot leader combined with Leobreaker into their "Savage Claw mode." {{storylink|Savage}} The Autobots were lured into another confrontation against the Decepticons by the trickster Sideways. This brawl was brought to an end once more by Optimus and Leobreaker, and the Autobots interrogated Sideways after pinning him down. Sideways offered a story that he was an undercover Autobot agent, but none of the Autobots fell for his lie. He managed to get away from them nonetheless when a call from Speed Planet distracted the whole team. {{storylink|Sand}}

Backstop eventually told Scourge's story to [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] to give him a better understanding of Jungle Planet's hierarchy. With the insight given by Backstop's tale, Optimus resolved to meet Scourge on the dragon-bot's own terms. {{storylink|Honor}} After a time, even Backstop learned that one had to fight at some point, and he went to tell Scourge that Optimus would be challenging him. At the same time, Backstop reminded Scourge that Optimus fought for the things Scourge had forgotten.

Optimus and Leobreaker defeated Scourge, and afterwards, Backstop helped the Autobots in their attempt to get Jungle Planet's [[Cyber Planet Key]] off the planet. He would remain on his homeworld, even after Scourge left to seek vengeance on Optimus, though he did see the effects of the [[Unicron Singularity|Black Hole]] when a [[space bridge]] appeared over his world.

Much later, Backstop joined the multi-world alliance and rushed to help Scourge (who had learned the error of his ways) to right the massive engine that was meant to restore Jungle Planet to its rightful position in space. {{storylink|Unfinished}} He then oversaw a tournament to decide the new leader of Jungle Planet and declared Scourge the rightful and honorable ruler.

Afterwards, Backstop decided to join the crew of the ''[[Hyperborea (Cybertron)|Hyperborea]]''. When it departed, he told [[Evac (Cybertron)|Evac]] that "sometimes the path to enlightenment leads away from home." {{storylink|Beginning}}
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Primal (Cybertron)|Primal}} {{storylink|Trust (Cybertron)|Trust}} {{storylink|Revelation (episode)|Revelation}} {{storylink|City}} {{storylink|Challenge}} {{storylink|Homecoming (episode)|Homecoming}}}}

===Hasbro bio and key code info===
Backstop is a Transformer who once relied on anger until he traveled the galaxy, learning the way of the warrior from [[Bludgeon (Cybertron)|Bludgeon]] and [[Banzai-Tron (Cybertron)|Banzai-Tron]]. He returned and was eventually defeated in battle by Scourge. He sought to destroy the dragon-bot, having learned the true value of life—life that Scourge does not honor.

Eventually, Leobreaker taught him how to play [[baseball]].

{{Note|Hasbro's bio presents a very different image of Backstop from the one portrayed on the show. However, the text in his key-code information is more in line with the TV series and also somewhat ties in with his comment about having seen vehicular Transformers prior in his life.}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
It was on [[Klo]] that Backstop met Banzai-Tron and Bludgeon. Banzai-Tron was an elderly bot, not long for the cosmos, and Backstop became his last student. He learned much from them, not only martial arts but also philosophy. He noted their vehicle forms with interest, but they were reluctant to speak of their history other than to say that their homes "were not worth travelling to." When Banzai-Tron passed, Backstop left Bludgeon to grieve privately and continued his journey through the galaxy, teaching others the lessons he had been taught. His students eventually included Scourge's former bodyguard, [[Shrapnel (Cybertron)|Shrapnel]], as well as the [[Mini-Con]]s [[Dragoyell]], [[Kobushi]], [[Hyakurai]], [[Ichibi]], and [[Mugen]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/29}}

===''Galaxy Force'' manga===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Galaxy Force Mission.7}} {{storylink|Galaxy Force Mission.9}}}}
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===Ask Vector Prime===
[[Vector Prime]] noted that both the Animatron Autobot Backstop and the [[Mini-Con]] [[Backstop (Universe)|Backstop]] existed in [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 23/6/2015}}

==Toys==
===Cybertron===
[[File:GalaxyForce Saidos toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Yup. Definitely related to [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]. (''Takara version pictured'')]]
[[File:Cybertron Backstop toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|He has two left feet in every mode! (''Hasbro version pictured'')]]
*'''Backstop''' (Scout class, 2005)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''GC-15'''
**''Takara release date'': [[April 14]], [[2005]]
**''Accessories'': Jungle Planet Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''stw7'''

: Part of the "Jungle Planet" theme, Backstop transforms into a robotic rhinoceros. In either mode, inserting a [[Cyber Planet Key]] into the key slot on the back of his rhino-head activates his spring-loaded ramming horn, which extends outward (but does not actually launch). He features minimal articulation in the arms and rather useless joints in the legs, which only move outwards.

: There are several notable differences between the [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] and [[Hasbro]] releases of Backstop. Takara's ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)#Takara Galaxy Force toyline|Galaxy Force]]'' "Saidos" is overall lighter, with a mainly medium-gray body, silvery [[beast mode]] legs, plus coppery plastic and paint deco. Hasbro's ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' "Backstop" uses a darker gray with a bit of purple tint for the main body, with medium-gray legs and a more yellow-gold on the accenting. And of course, Backstop's Cyber Key has a [[Cyber Key Codes|Cyber Key Code]] stamped on its back.

: This mold was [[redeco]]ed to make [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|the 2010 ''Transformers'' series]] [[Backstop (TF 2010)|Backstop]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/Backstop/backstop.htm More information on Backstop at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://tfkenkon.com/collection/act339/ Saidos gallery at TF Kenkon]''

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===Universe (2003)===
[[File:TFU03-toy CybBackstop.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85]]
*'''Backstop''' (Scout, 2007)
**''Accessories'': Jungle Planet style Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''stw7'''

: Backstop was one of several ''Cybertron'' Scout-class toys also made available on ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' cardbacks, and sold through discount chains like Kay-Bee Toy Works. This version is unchanged from the ''Cybertron'' release.
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===Universe (2008)===
[[File:TFU08-toy BackstopCyb.jpg|thumb|upright=0.85]]
*'''Backstop''' (Scout, 2010)
**''Series'': Cybertron Series
**''Accessories'': Jungle Planet style Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''stw7'''

: Backstop would see a straight re-release ''again'' in the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'' toyline]], though oddly enough not until well after the line had vanished from shelves. Backstop, [[Brushguard#Toys|Brushguard]] and [[Brakedown (Cybertron)#Toys|Brakedown]] appeared as a special display in late 2010 at [[Walmart]] stores, with a price tag of a whopping $4 a pop.
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==Notes==
[[File:BackstopArm.jpg|thumb|He only wanted a hug.]]

* Backstop's Japanese name is a "coolification" of ''sai'', the Japanese word for "rhinoceros". Think of it as the Japanese equivalent of the name "[[Rhinox (disambiguation)|Rhinox]]".
* Backstop had a normal left arm that unfolded from the back of the rhino very far into the design process, so far as to have a complete sculpt made. According to Hasbro employees, this was changed into his less human-like scooped arm design so that the rhino mode wouldn't appear to have a fist emerging from its rear.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Saidos''' (サイドス ''Saidosu'')
*''Armenian:'' '''Kangar'''' (Կանգառ, "Backstop")
*''Hungarian:'' '''Bujkáló''' ("Hider")
*''Korean:'' '''Saidos''' (사이도스 ''Saidoseu'')

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Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys

2021-08-11T02:57:56Z

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[[File:OptimusPrimeUT-Armada.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Hiyaaah...]]
Like [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|other Optimuses]], [[Unicron Trilogy]] '''[[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]]''' has a lot of toys.

==Toys==
===''Armada''===
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[[File:Superbase ArmadaPrime.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Stand up and be counted, container!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Super Base, 2002/2003)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MC-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/base/armor, light-up rifle, missile, left & right smokestacks

: The first [[Unicron Trilogy]] Optimus Prime toy transforms into a longnose truck cab of made-up model. His clear-plastic smokestacks can detach and form a double-barrelled pistol that he can hold in [[robot mode]], and a button on top of his head causes his [[mouthplate]] to jiggle up and down as if he were talking (the irony being that while this was a familiar trait of [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|G1 cartoon Optimus Prime]], in the ''Armada'' animated series, this Prime's mouthplate remained static when he talked). He can also hold a large cannon that is stored within his [[trailer]], and his chest flips down to reveal a (non-removable) [[Matrix of Leadership/toys|Matrix of Leadership]]. He is packaged with his Mini-Con partner [[Sparkplug (Armada)#Toys|Sparkplug]].

:The toy's primary gimmick is its auto-transforming trailer, which assumes one of three configurations when [[motorized movement|triggered]] by an infra-red signal transmitted from the cab robot. Transforming the cab into robot mode will cause the trailer to automatically flip open into a battle station for Mini-Cons, which Prime can stand in the centre of. The base features a central tower with a pop-out artillery emplacement and a mount for Prime's large cannon; a rotating missile-firing turret; two Mini-Con storage bays, one of which featured a manually-activated tab to launch Mini-Cons out; and two live [[Powerlinx]] hardpoints, one of which pops up a non-firing turret, the other activating a laser noise.

:Prime's cab and trailer can also combine to form a super robot mode. Transforming the cab into the torso portion sends the transformation command to the trailer, which raises itself up off the ground to become a pair of immobile, statuesque legs (as long as you're not playing with it on carpet), and when the pair are connected, the super-robot head pops up with a metallic shriek sound effect. Pressing the Autobot symbol on the figure's chest activates a pulsing laser sound effect, and the small grey button on his right shoulder illuminates his fist with a red LED, which can illuminate either of his guns, as well as the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]] sword (the Star Saber was specifically cast in clear plastic for this purpose, but in practice, the light failed to carry even halfway up the blade).[[File:Armada JetOptimusMegaweapon toy.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Gunjob Spacepants!]] Prime's firing missile and Mini-Con activated gimmicks remain accessible in this mode, but look a bit doofy if you deploy them. The initial [[Hasbro]] release of Prime had tabs in its Super Mode shoulders that prevented them from rotating above the horizontal default position, so as not to break the wires that run through the toy's right arm. Coupled with the limited elbow joints, this left Optimus Prime able only to point his weapons towards the ground, and the tabs were removed on subsequent editions of the figure.

[[File:LOTM Convoy.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|''(Takara version pictured)'']]
:Instead of his trailer, Prime can alternately combine with ''Armada'' [[Jetfire (Armada)/toys|Jetfire]], who forms a pair of legs, as "'''Jet Prime'''" ('''Jet Optimus''' on the cartoon, or "'''Jet Convoy'''" if you own the Japanese version). In addition to this, ''Armada'' [[Overload (Armada)#Toys|Overload]] can form a pair of massive cannons that attach to either Prime's base mode, or mount over the shoulders of his super robot torso (with either his trailer or Jetfire as legs), forming '''Optimus Prime Megaweapon''' (or '''Magna Convoy''').

[[File:LOTM Convoy Combos.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Jet Convoy ''(Takara version pictured)'']]
:[[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s release of Optimus Prime the following year made a few changes, noticeably replacing the gold paint and plastic of the Hasbro toy with bright yellow and much brighter gold. The deco has been tweaked to be a bit closer to the original prototype glimpsed in early catalogs, with yellow added back to cab Prime's feet and the cab grill painted silver, and the Super Mode's waist getting much more paint. This version of the figure was never burdened with the mobility-inhibiting shoulder tabs. Completing the Super Mode combination triggered a new clip of Prime shouting "Convoy, Super Mode!" in Japanese instead of generic mechanical sounds. Late in the run, [[JUSCO]] stores offered this toy with blind-packed "Space Galaxy" versions of the individual [[Destruction Mini-Con Team]] members, one toy per box.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Armada Super Base Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Supercon ArmadaPrime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Fans typically refer to this mold as "Bendy Prime", but it's really more of a shimmy-shimmy Prime. Mini-Con-activated shimmy-shimmy.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Super-Con, 2002)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''MC-06'''
**''Accessories:'' Left & right smokestacks
:This deluxe-size, highly-poseable version of ''Armada'' Optimus Prime is an entirely new mold, retaining the ability to tow Super Base Prime's trailer, though he cannot combine with it. He comes with the Mini-Con [[Over-Run (Armada)#Toys|Over-Run]], who can transform into a gun for him, or can peg onto the Powerlinx plug on Optimus's back to activate a double-fisted "punching" action (that looks more like hyperactive shrugging). Like the Super Base figure, Prime has a flip down chestplate, but lacks a molded-in Matrix (though he does have a molded gap in the center where the Matrix would go, which ''does'' match the end of the show, where he's [[:File:Armada 52 - Prime and no Matrix.jpg|relinquished]] it), and his smokestacks can be removed (and in many cases will simply fall off), but cannot peg together as a gun. Shipping in a great many waves throughout most of the later run of the line, Super-Con Optimus became a notorious [[shelfwarmer|pegwarmer]].

:The figure features a minor design flaw. The forearm parts, which shift up to reveal the robot mode fists, do not lock down after being transformed, and are easily prone to falling back down due to a complete lack of tension to hold them in place.

:The initial release of the figure featured silver lights on his roof; later on, the lights were changed to yellow, and later still, an Autobot emblem was added to the hood of the vehicle. These changes were not made on the Japanese release of the figure, which bore the unfortunate appellation of "STD", meaning "standard".<ref>Written in Japanese as {{ruby|STD|スタンダード}}コンボイ (''Sutandādo Konboi'')</ref>

: This mold was redecoed for inclusion in the ''Cybertron'' and ''Universe'' lines (see below), as well as to create the new characters of ''Armada'' [[Nemesis Prime (Armada)#Toys|Nemesis Prime]] and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Ultra Magnus (Energon)#Toys|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/SuperConPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Armada Supercon Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Armadatoy gold convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Kinpika Convoy''' (Super Base Lucky Draw figure, August 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Prime Mini-Con, trailer/armor, light-up rifle, missile, left & right smokestacks
:This Japanese-exclusive [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum metalized]] golden redeco of Super Base Optimus Prime, whose name means "Shining Golden", was available as a prize in several draws, including a colouring contest held in the pages of ''[[TV Boy]]'' magazine, and in-store lottery draws at Tobu Department Stores. Between the draws, at least 58 "Kinpika" Prime toys are known to have been given away, making it one of the more widely available [[Lucky Draw figure]]s, comparatively speaking. It came packaged in a plain white box, and including all the accessories and features of the standard release of the figure, including a gold-chromed Sparkplug (or "Prime", as he's confusingly known in Japan).

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/gold+super+mode+convoy/1084/gold+super+mode+convoy.html More information on Kinpika Convoy at Lucky Draw Transformers]''

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[[File:Powelinx Armadaprime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Dracula Prime?]]
*'''Powerlinx Optimus Prime''' (Super Base, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Corona Sparkplug Mini-Con, trailer/armor, light-up rifle, missile, left & right smokestacks

: A late-run extensive redeco of the Super Base ''Armada'' Optimus Prime toy, "Powerlinx" Optimus Prime sports the darker color scheme the character takes on in the [[Transformers: Armada (cartoon)|''Armada'' cartoon]] episode "[[Origin]]" following a Mini-Con power-up, but he is not precisely [[show-accuracy|show-accurate]]—the deco would later be fine-tuned with more accurate details for release in Japan as the Magna Convoy DX giftset ([[#MagnaConvoyDX|see below]]). In addition to now sporting fully-mobile Super Mode arms without the movement-impeding tabs, Prime still comes with all his features and accessories, though for this release, his Mini-Con partner Sparkplug got retooled with a new rear chassis and a blinged-out golden chrome body as "Corona Sparkplug".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Powerlinx Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Armada CrystalConvoy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Optimus Prime can't avoid his toy contracts even when he's dead!]]
*'''Crystal Convoy''' (Super-Con, October 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Surge Mini-Con, left and right smokestacks

: A Japanese ''[[TV Magazine]]'' [[exclusive]], this release of the Super-Con class Prime toy has almost all of his parts cast in translucent coloured plastics—hence the 'crystal' moniker—representing the character's disembodied [[spark]] after his destruction in the ''Armada'' cartoon episode "[[Crisis (Armada)|Crisis]]" and resurrection in "[[Miracle]]". What that means for poor Over-Run (or "Surge" in Japan), also cast in translucent plastic, we couldn't say! Available via mail-order, only 5000 pieces were distributed in October of 2003.

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[[File:Armada-optimus-prime-gold-kmart.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Battle for the Matrix''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
**''Accessories:'' Sparkplug Mini-Con, trailer/armor, light-up rifle, missile, left & right smokestacks

: A K-Mart exclusive set released on "[[Black Friday (event)|Black Friday]]" (the day after Thanksgiving, the most hellishly busy shopping day of the year), this set consists of Super Base Optimus Prime, [[Jetfire (Armada)#Toys|Jetfire]], their respective partner Mini-Cons Sparkplug and [[Comettor (Armada)#Toys|Comettor]], the [[Adventure Mini-Con Team#Toys|Adventure Mini-Con Team]], and oddly enough, [[Longarm (Armada)#Toys|Longarm]]. Optimus Prime's red plastics and paint were replaced with gold, the only changes made to anyone in the set. It is this set from which the name of Optimus Prime's combined mode with Jetfire, '''Jet Prime''', comes.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/KMartPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Battle for the Matrix Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Armada MagnaConvoyDX1.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|I think he needs another gun.]]
*'''Magna Convoy DX Set''' (Multi-pack, 2003)
**''ID number:'' '''MC-XX'''
**''Accessories:'' Prime Mini-Con, trailer/armor, light-up rifle, missile, left & right smokestacks

: This set is a [[Toys"R"Us]] Japan exclusive, consisting of Powerlinx Optimus Prime (dubbed "Convoy Final Battle Coloration" and redecoed with more show-accurate colours, principally a silver [[mouthplate]] instead of red and varying color saturation from the Hasbro version), a "crystal" version of [[Overload (Armada)#MagnaConvoy|Overload]] ("Ultra Magnus Special Clear Version") made out of translucent plastics, and an exclusive [[Exdimensions]] redeco of the [[Street Action Mini-Con Team#Exdimension|Street Action Mini-Con Team]]. This set is entirely "new" content not available in the normal mass-retail ''Legends of the Microns'' line, and is also the last release of "Exdimensions". Rather than come with individual bio cards for the various characters, the set came with only a single card for Magna Convoy.
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===''Built to Rule!''===
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[[File:BTR ArmadaPrime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|"My Matrix for a quick death." (How could this happen to me?)]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2003)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles
:''Armada'' ''[[Built to Rule!]]'' Optimus Prime transforms into a fair approximation of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]], but the robot mode is quite inaccurate, due to the very broad, flat Trans-Skeleton with thin, stick-like limbs attached to it. The set came with a very simplistic "Mini-Con" Sparkplug partner kit that did have a more dedicated "Powerlinx" connector than the standard construction pegs, though these are a bit too thin to be used as attachment points for regular Mini-Cons (they stay, sort of, but it's a very loose connection). The 101-piece set also features pressure-launch missile-firing "smokestack" cannons.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2003/Autobot/BTROptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Built to Rule! Armada Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:BTR EnergonPrime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Blocktimus Prime]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Built to Rule!, 2005)
**''Accessories'': 2 missiles''

: The ''Energon'' version of ''[[Built to Rule!]]'' Optimus Prime was designed with a much more solid skeleton with larger, blockier limbs. He can be rebuilt from a Cybertronic truck cab with a trailer-mounted, pressure-launch dual-missile cannon (with electronic lights and sounds) to a robot, to basically whatever you feel like doing with the parts.

: Unfortunately, due to the slow performance of the ''Built to Rule!'' line overall, the ''Energon'' versions only had a limited, test-market release initially in and around Cincinnati, Ohio. The sets later filtered out into many Tuesday Morning and Ollie's chain stores at drastically dropped prices.
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===''Energon''===
{{anchor|EnergonSuper}}
[[File:Energon Prime toy.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|Form feet and legs! Form arms and body! And I'll form... the head!]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Super, 2003, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SC-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Fire-1, Copter-2, Digger-3, Submarine-4, trailer, rifle, missile

: Super class ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' Optimus Prime transforms into a Cybertronic short-nosed truck cab. A switch on his back offers four selectable sound effects, each one corresponding to one member of the [[Prime Force]], the four drone vehicles contained within Prime's parallelogram-shaped trailer. A tiny, slightly recessed button above the switch activates the sounds. When Prime transforms to robot mode, the trailer stands upright to become a launch base of sorts for the Prime Force, with three of the trailer's four storage compartments featuring launching mechanisms that propel the vehicles into action. The Prime Force consists of Fire-1, a fire truck with an extending ladder and rotating turret; Copter-2, a helicopter with spinning rotors; Digger-3, a drill tank with a gear-wheel-activated spinning drill; and Submarine-4, a submarine with opening capture claws beneath its bow. The four interchangeable drones can combine with Prime to create his Super Mode; any drone is capable of forming any limb. When in Super Mode, Prime's chest panels are opened, in turn pressing a button on his side that creates more electronic sounds and lights up a red LED in his chest, representing the [[Spark of Combination]].

: Prime is armed with a spring-loaded missile launcher that stores on the rear of his truck mode (which becomes the backpack of his robot mode) when not in use. Like most of the weapons of the ''Energon'' line, it sports a [[5 mm post|5mm post]], allowing it to be held by most every ''Energon'' figure, to combine with assorted other weapons and [[Energon weapon]]s released in the series, and to peg into numerous compatible ports shared by many figures, like the hole in the radar of Prime's own trailer, or even conveniently placed 5mm screw holes like those of the Prime Force.
[[File:Energontoy prime combinations.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2]]
:In lieu of combining with the Prime Force, Optimus Prime can also merge with ''Energon'' [[Wing Saber (Energon)|Wing Saber]] in a similar fashion, with Wing Saber splitting into four components that connect to Prime as limbs. Wing Saber's red and white torso components can become arms for Prime while his legs attach to Prime's own, creating Prime's "Flight Mode", but the parts can also be swapped around, with Wing Saber's legs deploying large missile launchers and becoming arms to make Prime's "Fight Mode". Alternately, Prime can combine with ''Energon'' [[Omega Supreme (Energon)|Omega Supreme]] to form what his packaging calls "Powerlinx Omega Supreme", but which the cartoon named "Optimus Supreme". The Prime Force drones can attach to four connectors on Optimus Supreme's body.

:The earliest releases of ''Energon'' Optimus Prime have no ridges on the inside of the chest windows and a different head sculpt featuring an [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]]-style mouth-slit in Prime's mouthplate. This was soon replaced with a full mouthplate, and it was this version of the toy which appeared in the [[Transformers: Energon (cartoon)|''Energon'' cartoon]] and was released by Takara. Other changes made to Takara's version of the toy involved a chromed front grill, more vibrant plastic colors on Digger-3 and Submarine-4, a darker blue plastic on Prime himself, and more intricate [[paint operation]]s. Takara's release lacks the electronic sound effects seen in Hasbro's version, which were commonly gutted for the Japanese releases of any Autobot toys who had them, though Prime retains his light-up chest.

:He has two Mini-Con ports, one on either side of his backpack.

:The mouth-plated version of this mold was redecoed into ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' "Year of the Snake" [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Platinum Edition|Optimus Prime]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Energon Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Energontoy sl grand convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|Those upper legs vs. [[Chun-Li]]'s - whose are more powerful??]]
*'''SL Grand Convoy''' (Deluxe, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SC-13'''
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

: As had first been done in the ''Armada'' line, Takara elected to supplement their release of the Super class Optimus Prime figure with a new-mold Deluxe class toy. Coming without trailer, Prime Force or electronics, this Prime discarded the larger toy's ability to form Super Mode in favor of being able to [[Powerlinx]] with the other compatible toys of the ''Energon'' line, forming either a torso or a pair of legs that the other Autobots could connect to. Like the Deluxe ''Armada'' Prime, this one too was on the small side for its size class, but just as that figure could, this small Prime can still tow the Super class figure's trailer.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/PXOptimusPrime/pxoptimusprime.htm More information on SL Grand Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:STD Grand Convoy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Kicker! I have escaped from the box! I'll come back for you!]]
*'''SL Grand Convoy & Kicker''' (multi-pack, 2004)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''SS-03'''
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

:A slight redeco of Takara's Deluxe-size Optimus Prime was released as part of a special set commemorating both the 20th anniversary of ''Transformers'' and the 30th anniversary of its progenitor, ''[[Microman]]''. Coming with an exclusive metallic redeco of Takara's [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]], which was based on the ''Microman'' body, this Prime featured a chromed grill where the original had painted plastic, and supposedly slightly shinier plastics. ''Very'' slightly.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Cybertron/AnnivGrandConvoy/grandconvoy.htm More information on 20th Anniversary SL Grand Convoy at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Energontoy prime vs megatron.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Powerlinx Optimus Prime versus Megatron''' (multi-pack, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

: The SS-03 version of Takara's Deluxe-class Optimus figure, based on the Anniversary release, was released in Hasbro markets in a two pack with the smaller Japanese [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#Energon|Megatron]] figure. There are some tiny but notable differences between this and the Anniversary figure; the Hasbro version uses a more neutral dark-gray for the main body as opposed to the Takara version's blue-tinted dark-gray, plain dark-blue plastic rather than dark-blue-with-sparkles, and plain yellow paint for the cab's lights rather than sparkly-yellow/gold.

: This set was a Toys"R"US exclusive in the US, but sold at pretty much any retailer that wanted to carry it elsewhere in the world.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/PXOptimusPrime/pxoptimusprime.htm More information on Deluxe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Energontoy gold grand convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"Core Change: '''Re-Rising Gundam!'''"]]
*'''Gold Grand Convoy''' (Super Lucky Draw Figure, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Fire-1, Gyro-2, Digger-3, Submarine-4, trailer, rifle, missile

:This golden chromed redeco of the Super class Optimus Prime figure was initially offered as a prize to five lucky winners of a colouring contest held in the pages of the ''TV Magazine''. Additional units were later given away via in-store draws at Toys"R"Us Japan; precisely how many is unknown, but the regularity with which the toy appeared on auction sites throughout 2005 suggests it was quite a few.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/gold+grand+convoy/1094/gold+grand+convoy.html More information on Gold Grand Convoy at Lucky Draw Transformers]''

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[[File:Firegrandconvoy.JPG|upright=1.67|thumb|Am I Fire Guts or Burning Convoy? I can't decide!]]
*'''Fire SL Grand Convoy''' (TV Magazine exclusive Deluxe, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

:This vibrant red and orange redeco of the Deluxe class Optimus Prime figure was a ''TV Magazine'' exclusive, limited to 3,000 pieces. It shipped in a unique monochrome red version of the traditional ''Super Link'' packaging, and did not include a character card.

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[[File:Energontoy gold sl convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''SL Grand Convoy Mēki Version''' (Deluxe Lucky Draw Figure, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Rifle

:Released as part of the "W Convoy" campaign ("Double" Convoy, that is!) alongside a silver chrome version of [[Rodimus (Energon)|''Energon'' Rodimus]], this gold chrome "Mēki" ("plating") version of the Deluxe size Optimus Prime toy was available only as a prize in a mail-in [[Robot Point]]s contest. Initially limited to 20 units in the original draw, it appears that many more were made available through toy store drawings, given how many went on to appear on online auction sites through 2005 and 2006.
::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/gold+sl+grand+convoy/1091/gold+sl+grand+convoy.html More information on SL Grand Convoy Mēki Version at Lucky Draw Transformers]''

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[[File:Energontoy costco prime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|How many times has this set been reused?]]
*'''Optimus Prime and Overload''' (Multi-pack, 2004)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/armor, light-up rifle, missile, left & right smokestacks

: A [[Costco]]-exclusive redeco of the ''Armada'' Optimus Prime toy in black, yellow, and brick red, it also came with a redeco of ''Armada'' [[Overload (Armada)|Overload]]. It is from this set that the name of Prime's combined form with Overload, '''Optimus Prime Megaweapon''', comes (though the term "megaweapon" first appeared on Powerlinx Optimus Prime's packaging).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2004/Autobot/CostcoPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Costco Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Energontoy custom color prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Grand Convoy Custom Color Version''' (Super Lucky Draw Figure, 2004)
**''ID number:'' '''SC-01'''
**''Accessories:'' Fire-1, Gyro-2, Digger-3, Submarine-4, trailer, rifle, missile

:The color scheme of this special redeco of Super class Optimus Prime was decided through a colouring contest held in the December 2004 issue of ''TV Magazine'', in which entrants coloured in lineart of Prime in the scheme they wanted to see. The winning entry rendered Prime in a... ''distinct'' palette of grey, cream, dark red, and purple chrome, with blue, white, and yellow drones. It was limited to only ten pieces, making it one of the rarer Transformers toys in existence.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/custom+grand+convoy/1105/custom+grand+convoy.html More information on Custom Color Grand Convoy at Lucky Draw Transformers]''

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[[File:Energontoy unreleased prime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Super, unreleased)
**''Accessories:'' Fire-1, Copter-2, Digger-3, Submarine-4, trailer, rifle, missile

:A redeco of the Super Optimus Prime mold with a primarily red cab, much deeper blue, and a Prime Force uniformly colored in black was planned to be released with ''[[Smallest Transforming Transformers]]'' [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys|Generation 1 Optimus Prime]] as a [[Target]] exclusive. The toy got far enough along in development to have package artwork created by [[Dan Khanna]], which was later revealed online, but it was canceled shortly before making it to full production. Its red, white, and black coloration earned it the festive nickname of "Santa Prime" among fans online.

::*''[http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/energon-autobots-166/optimus-prime-with-mini-optimus-prime-unreleased-4079/ More information on this unreleased Optimus Prime at TFW2005]''
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===''Cybertron''===
[[File:Cybertrontoy leader optimus prime.jpg|upright=2.2|thumb|"Well... a fire truck is bigger." (''Hasbro version pictured'')]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2004/2005)
**''Takara ID number:'' '''GC-01'''
**''Takara release date'': [[December 28]], 2004
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/armor, rifle, 3 missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Matrix [[Cyber Key]]
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''l8p3'''

: The first ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (toyline)|Cybertron]]'' Optimus Prime toy transforms into a heavily-armed fire truck of made up origin, topped with two large cannons. The cannons and the sides of the truck fold down to create an unlikely flight mode for the vehicle. His right-side cannon fires a spring-loaded missile, while plugging a [[Cyber Key]] into its key jack pops two more spring-loaded missile launchers out from its sides. Plugging a Cyber Key into his left-side cannon opens up the cannon's outer casing, revealing the inner barrel, lighting the red LED at its tip and playing an electronic "charging up" noise. Pressing the small blue button just over the battery casing plays a "firing" sound effect with accompanying light flash. In this mode, he can also deploy ''another'' pair of (non-firing) cannons from under the main cannons.

: In true Prime style, the forward portion of the vehicle mode detaches to become Optimus himself, while the rear "trailer" transforms into a gun emplacement. In robot mode, the barrel of the missile-launching cannon detaches to become a hand-held rifle. Atypical of most Unicron Trilogy figures, Prime's hands are ''not'' designed to accommodate weapons with [[5 mm post]]s, instead featuring a small peg-hole in his palm that allows him to tightly grip objects designed to fit there, like his own rifle, [[Overhaul (Cybertron)#Toys|Leobreaker]]'s whip, ''Cybertron'' [[Wing Saber (Energon)#Cybertron|Wing Saber's]] swords, and ''Cybertron'' [[Metroplex (Cybertron)#Toys|Metroplex]]'s [[Sparkdrinker|axe]]. However, Wing Saber's sword hilts ''can'' be used as adaptors, allowing Prime to hold and use 5mm weapons. His chest has a compartment to hold his removable Matrix of Leadership accessory; Prime's gigantic hands mean that he can't hold it especially ''neatly'', but he can certainly get a grip on it.

: Of course, Optimus can transform into a Super Mode by combining with his vehicle-mode back end, which becomes a massive winged backpack with under-slung main guns, and a pair of large boots, with the non-firing cannons ending up around his knees. To complete his Super Mode look, a small lever of the back of Prime's head raises his traditional mouthplate into place, covering his Optimus Primal-style mouth slot, and two "crests" fold out from either side of his helmet. Hasbro's instructions and stock photography awkwardly orient the wings so that the two cannons point ''over'' Prime's shoulders; the cartoon portrayed them in the under-slung orientation, as would all subsequent Hasbro redecos of the toy. In Super Mode, Prime is a rather top-heavy robot, and his hip joints are not that tight, which makes standing him up a challenging prospect.

: In Super Mode, Optimus Prime can combine with [[Overhaul (Cybertron)#Voyager|Leobreaker]] to form "Savage Claw Mode", which sees the feline Autobot become a gigantic clawed arm for his leader. Alternately, if Prime's backpack is removed, he can merge with [[Wing Saber (Energon)#Cybertron|Wing Saber]] into "Sonic Wing Mode", with the aerial ace forming a new winged backpack and chestplate for Optimus, and providing him with new hand-held sword weapons and firing missile launchers that connect to his Super Mode boots. The nature of the combination means that the two partners cannot combine with Prime at once—at least, not without physically removing one of Prime's own arms.

: The Takara ''Galaxy Force'' "Galaxy Convoy" version of the toy was released first, and features a number of paint differences from the later Hasbro ''Cybertron'' release. The most immediately-noticeable is that Galaxy Convoy's unique Matrix-shaped Cyber Key has its "frame" painted gold, where Optimus's is unpainted clear-blue plastic, save for the Autobot symbol and the Hasbro-only [[Cyber Key Codes|Cyber Key Code]] printed on its back. The other differences are small but numerous: Galaxy Convoy has more thoroughly painted knees, main cannons and leg-armor cannons, the signal lights above the cab are painted yellow, his leg-wheel hubcaps are painted gold, and his nose is inexplicably painted silver. Galaxy Convoy's wings are also held in place with long metal pins, where the Hasbro version has them just held in place with friction so they can pop off rather than ''break'' off if the toy is dropped.

: Optimus is slightly mistransformed in the image to the right: in vehicle mode his chest windows should be folded around to the sides of the cab to cover the arm sockets.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Cybertron Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:LOC CybertronPrime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Takara's version pictured on the left, Hasbro's version pictured on the right.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2005)

: [[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]] Optimus is a very simplified version of ''Cybertron'' Optimus Prime, with no weapons or trailer, just the front portion of the truck. It transforms into the standard robot mode, with a very similar transformation scheme to the full-sized toy, and has no useful articulation of the shoulders.

: The figure was released in Japan under the "EZ Collection" banner, in the same packaging as the Hasbro release but with a small card insert featuring the Japanese logo and nomenclature, similar to a [[USA Edition]]. As with all the EZ Collection figures, this release features a substantially greater number of paint operations that increase Optimus's resemblance to his larger figure.

: This mold was redecoed to create ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Menasor (G1)#Classics|Menasor]] and ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'' [[Hot Spot (G1)#Universe (2008)|Hot Zone]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Autobot/LOCOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:GF MetallicGalaxyConvoy Legends toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|To [[scale]] with something? Blasphemy!]]
*'''Megalo Convoy''' (Legends of Cybertron, [[August 29]] 2005)
**''ID number:'' '''GC-23'''

: A special metallic-paint version of Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime was included with the Takara ''Galaxy Force'' release of [[Metroplex (Cybertron)#Toys|Megalo Convoy aka Metroplex]], as a demonstration of their actual size difference as depicted on the television series.

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[[File:Cybertrontoy gold galaxy convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Galaxy Convoy Gold Version''' (Leader Lucky Draw figure, 2005)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/armor, rifle, 3 missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Force Chip

:This gold-chrome and clear-plastic redeco of the Leader-class Optimus Prime figure was first offered as a prize in a mail-in contest held through ''[[TV Magazine]]'' alongside a silver chrome version of the same toy ([[#SilverGF|see below]]). Both figures were later made available again as prizes in a second contest in the September 2005 issue of ''TV Magazine'', together with "Galaxy Convoy Custom Color Version" (again, [[#CustomGF|see below]]).

:Optimus is slightly mistransformed in the image to the right, in vehicle mode his chest windows should be folded round to the sides of the cab to cover the arm sockets.
::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/gold+galaxy+convoy/1099/gold+galaxy+convoy.html More information on Gold Galaxy Convoy at Lucky Draw Transformers]''

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[[File:Cybertrontoy silver galaxy convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Galaxy Convoy Silver Version''' (Leader Lucky Draw figure, 2005)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/armor, rifle, 3 missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Force Chip

: This silver-chromed redeco of the Leader-class Optimus Prime figure first saw the light of day as a prize in a ''TV Magazine'' mail-in, offered alongside a gold chrome version of the same toy ([[#GoldGF|see above]]). Both figures were later made available again as prizes in a second contest in the September 2005 issue of ''TV Magazine'', together with "Galaxy Convoy Custom Color Version" ([[#CustomGF|see below]]). Despite being offered in equal quantities in these contests, this silver version is apparently much harder to come by.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/silver+galaxy+convoy/1797/silver+galaxy+convoy.html More information on Silver Galaxy Convoy at Lucky Draw Transformers]''

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[[File:Cybertrontoy custom color convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67|It's not that easy being Prime.]]
*'''Galaxy Convoy Custom Color Version''' (Leader Lucky Draw figure, 2005)
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/armor, rifle, 3 missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Force Chip

: One of the single rarest [[Lucky Draw figure]]s in existence, this "Custom Color" redeco of Super Optimus Prime was limited to only ''one'' in the world. It was the grand prize of a coloring contest held in September 2005's ''TV Magazine'', in which entrants colored in lineart of Prime with the deco they wanted to see. The winning entry was in green, blue and gold, while ten runners-up received one of five gold or five silver Lucky Draw versions of Prime.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/custom+colour+galaxy+convoy/1104/custom+colour+galaxy+convoy.html More information on Custom Color Galaxy Convoy at Lucky Draw Transformers]''

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[[File:Cybertrontoy ez clear optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''EZ Collection Clear Set''' (Multi-pack, 2005)

: A Takara exclusive multi-pack of "EZ Collection" [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#EZClear|Megatron]], Optimus Prime and [[Starscream (Armada)/toys#EZClear|Starscream]] recast the figures using primarily clear plastics; in Prime's cast, both his blue and red plastics became translucent. A mail-away exclusive to ''[[TV Magazine]]'' in October 2005, the set was limited to 3000 pieces.

::*''[http://plasticcrack.net/archives/2007/07/photo-review-takara-galaxy-force-ez-telemag-exclusive-3pack More information on the EZ Collection multi-pack at PlasticCrack.net]

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[[File:Cybertrontoy sonic convoy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|I'm gorgeously shiny!]]
*'''Sonic Convoy''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''ID number:'' '''EX-02'''
**''Accessories:'' Trailer/armor, rifle, 3 missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Force Chip

: This redeco of Leader-class Optimus Prime replaced most of the plastics in the cab robot with colored translucent equivalents. He also has numerous chromed parts, including chrome-silver wrist-pipes, red chrome window frames and side-cannons, and a chromed Autobot symbol on his Key. His trailer remained opaque, but was cast in much deeper red plastic, with a more metallic silver used for his cannons. He also lacks the weird silver nose-paint, and has the Hasbro trailer assembly with the pop-off-able wings.

: He was available only in a [[Toys"R"Us]] Japan exclusive giftset released in October 2005, packed in with a redeco of [[Wing Saber (Energon)#SonicConvoy|Wing Saber]] and the [[Cobybot|Coby ''Sen'yō'' Ramble]].

: None of the toys in this box set were given bio cards. Aww.

::*''[http://www.tfw2005.com/resources/galaxy-force-cybertrons-341/galaxy-convoy-clear-2412 More information on Sonic Convoy at TFW2005]''

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[[File:Cybertrontoy gold ez convoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Megalo Convoy Gold Version''' (Leader Lucky Draw figure, 2005)

: A golden-chrome redeco of ''Cybertron'' Metroplex was offered as a contest prize in the December 2005 issue of ''TV Magazine'', and came with an equally blinged-out Legends/EZ Collection Optimus Prime figure. Fifteen of this set were available as prizes in the initial contest; a single Metroplex was later offered as one of many prizes in a Takara website contest, but this version came only with the standard metallic paint version of Prime.

::*''[http://www.luckydrawtransformers.com/toy/gallery/review/gold+galaxy+convoy/1103/gold+galaxy+convoy.html More information on Gold EZ Collection Galaxy Convoy at Lucky Draw Transformers]''
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[[File:Cybertrontoy ridprime magnus 2pack.jpg|right|thumb|upright=1.67]]
* '''Ultra Magnus & Optimus Prime''' (Multi-pack, 2005)
**''Accessories'': Cannon, 2 missiles
: A red redeco of the 2003 ''Universe'' [[Optimus Prime (RID)#Cybertron|Optimus Prime]] was sold with a repackaged version of the ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)|Universe]]'' version of [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 toyline)|2001 ''Robots in Disguise'']] Ultra Magnus in a Costco-[[exclusive]] multi-pack in 2005. Sold under the ''Cybertron'' banner, their continuity of origin was ambiguous for years until clarified in 2015 by the Facebook edition of "[[Ask Vector Prime]]".
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[[File:Cyb GalaxyForceOptimusPrime.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Sowing confusion on message boards everywhere.]]
*'''Galaxy Force Optimus Prime''' (Leader, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Trailer/armor, rifle, 3 missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''lo9x'''

: Released in fourth and final wave of ''Cybertron'' Leaders, this redeco of the Leader-class Optimus Prime figure introduced a new color scheme that several other tail-end releases would emulate. Taking its name from the Takara version of ''Cybertron'' and with a bio noting that this new body depicts Prime after he embarks on his galaxy-spanning mission at the end of the ''Cybertron'' cartoon, "Galaxy Force" Optimus Prime replaces the original toy's blue parts with black and the translucent blue with smokey clear, and molds several—but not all—grey parts out of red plastic, including the toy's rifles, rail gun covers, missile launchers, and Super Mode leg guns. In the realm of new paint operations, Prime now sports all four Cyber Planet Key symbols on his shoulders, and his unique Matrix-shaped Cyber Key finally has a gold-painted border, as it had always had in Japan. Additionally, Prime's hip joints were tightened up with this release, making it easier to stand him up in Super Mode.

: This toy was later re-released in a [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|2008 ''Universe'']] multi-pack ([[##VsCrumplezone|see below]]).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/GFOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Galaxy Force Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.transformers-universe.com/include.php?path=content/ToyDB_Info.php&Toy_ID=1839 More information on Galaxy Force Optimus Prime at Transformers Universe]''

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[[File:Cybertron OptimusPrime deluxe toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|You've [[:File:Supercon ArmadaPrime.jpg|already]] [[:File:Armada CrystalConvoy.jpg|bought]] [[:Nemesis Prime (Armada)|me]] [[:Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Universe|five]] [[:File:Cybertron OptimusPrime deluxe toy.jpg|times!]]]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' Left and right smokestacks, Cybertron Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''d56b'''

:Premiering in the eighth wave of ''Cybertron'' Deluxes, this Optimus is a redeco of the ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)|Armada]]'' [[#Super-Con|Super-Con ''Armada'' Optimus Prime]], recolored in red and black to resemble the Leader Class Galaxy Force Optimus Prime figure.

: He does not come with the mold's nominal Mini-Con partner. Instead, Optimus Prime and his [[wave]]-mate [[Demolishor (Armada)#Cybertron|Demolishor]] debuted a new brand of Cyber Key: [[retool]]ed from the standard Cybertron style key, this version lacked a sculpted [[insignia]], so that any symbol could be [[tampograph]]ed on to it, and featured a [[Mini-Con]]-style [[Powerlinx]] socket on the back, allowing it to operate the figure's formerly-Mini-Con-activated "punching" feature without the figure itself having to be retooled.

: The key sports a tampographed Autobot insignia, a red border, and the [[Cyber Key Codes|Key Code]] "d56b" tampographed on the back. This code, when entered on Hasbro's website, was ''supposed'' to unlock additional information on the character or the toy, but due to an error on behalf of Hasbro, it unlocked information intended for his wave-mate Demolishor. Optimus Prime's information was instead unlocked using the code "dt67", which was on the back of Demolishor's Cyber Key.

: As was the case with the ''Universe'' [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Universe|"Battle in a Box" Ultra Magnus]] release of this sculpt, initial shipments of Optimus Prime had the forearms [[Misassembly|swapped]], leaving his elbow joints useless. This was corrected for later shipments. A further [[variant|running change]] saw tampographeded graphics depicting the four planet symbols added to the truck mode's cab.

: This sculpt was later redecoed once again for a 2008 ''Universe'' [[#Universe (2008)|multi-pack version of ''Cybertron'' Optimus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/DlxOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Deluxe Cybertron Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Cybertron GFOptimusPrime Legends toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|Cause we gotta little ol' convoy, rockin' through the night]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends of Cybertron, 2006)

:Like the Deluxe Class figure before it, this redeco of ''Legends of Cybertron'' Optimus Prime was designed to resemble the Leader class Galaxy Force Optimus Prime figure, essentially replacing the blue with black, the yellow with silver and adding the Cyber Key symbol tampographs onto his shoulders.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/LOCGFOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on "Galaxy Force" Legends Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Cybertron OptimusPrime beast toy.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|It's a Double [[Garry Chalk]].]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Deluxe, 2006)
**''Accessories:'' "'Jet-powered' flying board", missile, Jungle Planet Cyber Key
**''Cyber Key Code'': '''d7s9'''

: Available in the ninth and final wave of ''Cybertron'' Deluxes, this unusual iteration of Optimus Prime is a redeco of ''[[Transformers: Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Beast Wars 10th Anniversary]]'' [[Optimus Primal (BW)/toys#Beast Wars 10th Anniversary|Optimus Primal]], transforming into a robotic gorilla in the pseudo-[[technorganic]]-looking style of the other [[Jungle Planet (colony)|Jungle Planet]] toys. He comes with a "'jet-powered' flying board" with two [[5 mm post|5mm post]]s at the base, allowing him to ride it in his gorilla mode, or hold it in robot mode via the 5mm posts on his robot palms/gorilla feet. When a [[Cyber Key]] is inserted at the rear of the board, a spring-loaded extending "assault blade" deploys, and a trigger is revealed to allow one to use the spring-loaded missile launcher at the tip. Though it is not intended to be removed, the blade can be popped off and held in Primal's hand thanks to his poseable thumbs.

: This figure contains an unusual amount of sculpted detail on the inside of the plastic. The gorilla mode's chest has a ribcage, and the inside of the gorilla's face has a sculpted microphone, which lines up perfectly with the robot mode's head! Also, opening this toy's chest in robot mode reveals sculpted detail resembling the [[Key to Vector Sigma]] as it appeared in ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]''. His beast mode features a painted scar over his one eye, a seeming homage Peter Jackson's ''[[King Kong]]'' (released the previous year).

: While this mold was first released as part of the ''Beast Wars 10th Anniversary'' line and is obviously meant to be Optimus Primal, it was developed to fit in with ''Cybertron's'' Jungle Planet aesthetic, "in case" the ''Beast Wars'' Anniversary release didn't pan out (according to [[Aaron Archer]]'s statements at [[BotCon 2005]]).

: This mold was also used to make [[BotCon 2014]] [[Apelinq (BM)#Timelines|Apelinq]] and [[Primal Prime#Timelines|Primal Prime]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Jungle Planet Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Cybertrontoy prime wingsaber 2pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Optimus Prime / Wing Saber''' (multi-pack, 2006)
**''Accessories'': Trailer/armor, rifle, 3 missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Cyber Key

:Released in Fall of 2006, this Costco-exclusive two-pack bundled the original version of the Leader-class Optimus Prime figure with his combination partner [[Wing Saber (Energon)#Cybertron|Wing Saber]] and a DVD including the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|''Cybertron'' cartoon]] episode "[[United]]".

: This set comes in a particularly huge box, and sold for $35.99, five dollars less than the MSRP for Optimus Prime by ''himself''. Now that's a deal!

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[[File:Cybertrontoy LOCtarget4pack.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Megatron / Soundwave / Jetfire / Optimus Prime''' (Legends of Cybertron multi-pack, 2007)

:This four pack of Legend-class Optimus Prime, [[Megatron (Armada)/toys#LegendsMegs|Megatron]], [[Jetfire (Armada)/toys#LOC|Jetfire]], and [[Soundwave (Cybertron)#Legends|Soundwave]] was exclusive to [[Target]] stores. All of the toys were identical to their individual releases.
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===''Hybrid Style''===
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*'''Galaxy Convoy''' (2005)
**''ID number:'' '''THS-01'''
**[[File:HybridStyletoy galaxyconvoy.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]''Accessories'': Trailer/backpack, leg armor (x2), standard head, Super Mode head, left and right fists, left and right pointing hands, left and right open hands, left and right gripping hands, Matrix of Leadership, Force Chip (x2)

:The first in TakaraTomy's ''[[Hybrid Style]]'' series, Galaxy Convoy is a partly die-cast figure with scaled-down equivalents of the accessories that came with the Leader-class figure. This highly-intricate figure retains all the transformation abilities of the original figure—vehicle, flight mode, robot, and Super Mode—and even its Cyber Key-activated features (even coming with two keys so they can be deployed simultaneously), with additional touches like spring-loaded mechanisms that snap his cannons into place, and hand-grips on the weapons for Super Mode. While he does lack electronics or firing missiles, Prime still includes his Matrix, super-tiny yet still removable, and has four alternate sets of hands: two clenched fists, two with pointing index fingers, two with splayed palms, and two curved hands for holding his various weapon handles. Given the figure's small size, a reconfigurable head was infeasible, so it also comes with an alternate Super Mode head with a mouthplate and crests deployed, though the standard head must be attached in order for the figure to be transformed to vehicle mode.

::*[http://www.tfu.info/2005/Cybertron/HybridGalaxyConvoy/galaxyconvoy.htm More information on Hybrid Style Galaxy Convoy at TFU.info]
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===''Classics''===
[[File:Classicstoy legends cybertron prime.jpg|thumb|125px]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Legends, 2007)

: Bizarrely enough, Optimus Prime was one of three ''Cybertron'' Legends toys straight-released in ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' packaging, though with the modifier "Cybertron Collection" printed on the cardfront. The toy itself is identical to the ''Cybertron'' release.
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===''Transformers'' (2007)===
[[File:TargetGenerationsLegends.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Generations Legends''' (Target exclusive multi-pack, 2007)

: A Target exclusive, this four-pack of Legends Class figures contains two versions of both Optimus Prime and Megatron, namely Legends of Cybertron Optimus Prime, [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/toys|Movie Legends Optimus Prime]], Legends of Cybertron Megatron and [[Megatron (Movie)/toys|Movie Legends Megatron]]. The toy itself is identical to the ''Cybertron'' release.

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===''Universe'' (2008)===
[[File:Universe2008toy BftCPK optimus.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Battle for the Cyber Planet Keys''' (Sam's Club exclusive multi-pack, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Left and right smokestacks, Cybertron Cyber Key

: For ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 franchise)|Universe]]'', a redeco of the ''Armada'' Super-Con [[#Super-Con|Optimus Prime]] in more Generation 1-inspired colors was released in a [[Sam's Club]] exclusive five-pack alongside [[Runamuck (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Runamuck]], [[Longrack (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Longrack]], [[Buzzsaw (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Buzzsaw]], and [[Blurr (Cybertron)#Universe (2008)|Blurr]]. Optimus was the only toy in the set different from the original releases. He came with a translucent red version of the remolded style of Cyber Key previously included with this mold's release during the ''Cybertron'' line, featuring a Powerlinx port to activate his punching gimmick.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2008/Autobot/SamsClubOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Universe Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''

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[[File:Universe2008CybOptimusPrimeAndCrumplezone.jpg|thumb|upright=1.67]]
*'''Optimus Prime vs Crumplezone''' (Costco exclusive multi-pack, 2008)
**''Accessories'': Trailer/armor, rifle, three missiles, Matrix of Leadership, Cyber Key

: This Costco exclusive set contains [[#LeaderGalaxyForce|Leader-class "Galaxy Force" Optimus Prime]] and the original [[Crumplezone (Cybertron)|''Cybertron'' Crumplezone]]. Both toys were unchanged from their previous individual releases.
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===''Bot Shots''===
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[[File:BotShots JumpShot Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''B004'''
***''Fist strength'': '''515'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''625'''
***''Sword strength'': '''475'''

: Part of the second wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 single-packs, this new-mold Optimus Prime is heavily based on ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)|Cybertron]]'' [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]], transforming from a robot armed with a gun, into a futuristic firetruck. As a Jump Shot, he springs up when auto-transforming.

:He was redecoed into [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Bot Shots|Ultra Magnus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSJSOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on Jump Shot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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[[File:BotShots 3pack Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
*'''Optimus Prime / Cindersaur / Autobot Jazz''' (Multi-pack, 2013)
**''Series'': '''2'''
**''Number'': '''BP008'''
***''Fist strength'': '''404'''
***''Blaster strength'': '''854'''
***''Sword strength'': '''362'''

: Part of the second wave of ''Bot Shots'' Series 2 three-packs, this redeco of Jump Shot Optimus Prime has a brighter red, a painted silver forehead crest and "nose-strap", blue windows, and glossy blue paint on his legs, head, and firefighting section, among other minor deco changes. He comes with [[Cindersaur (G1)|Jump Shot Cindersaur]] and [[Jazz (G1)/toys#SuperBot|Super Bot Autobot Jazz]].

:The second wave of Series 2 three-packs didn't reach mass retail in the United States, only showing up in discount stores like Ross.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2013/Autobot/BSJS3pkOptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm More information on 3-pack Jump Shot Optimus Prime at TFU.info]''
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===''Platinum Edition''===
[[File:PlatinumEditiontoy-YOTSOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=2.2|Platimus.]]
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Year of the Snake exclusive, 2013)
**''Accessories:'' Firetruck drone, helicopter drone, drill tank drone, submarine drone, trailer, rifle, missile

: ''[[Transformers: Platinum Edition|Platinum Edition]]'' "Year of the Snake" Optimus Prime is a redeco of [[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|''Energon'']] [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/toys#Energon|Super Class Optimus Prime]]. In lieu of combining with his drones, Optimus Prime can also combine with ''Platinum Edition'' [[Omega Supreme (WFC)#Platinum Edition|Omega Supreme]] to form what his instructions ''also'' call "Super Optimus Prime". The drones are color-matched to Omega Supreme, and can attach to four connectors on his body. In an undocumented feature, Prime can also merge with ''Energon'' [[Wing Saber (Energon)#Energon|Wing Saber]].

:Though the [[stock photography]] shows the original mouthed-face head and smooth inner chest windows, the final toy uses the face-plated head and ridged inner windows. The [[packaging]]'s [[bio]] is every [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] bio ever (well, [[Optimus Prime (SG)|mostly]]), [[Ask Vector Prime]] would eventually declare him to be a version of Unicron Trilogy Optimus.

:''Platinum Edition'' Optimus Prime is exclusive to BigBadToyStore and Amazon.com in America, but was also released at Philippine mass retail in limited quantities, in Australia as a Kmart exclusive and in Canada as a [[Toys"R"Us]] exclusive. All electronics have been omitted from this version, even the light-up feature retained by Takara's Superlink release, trading the LED for an open hole in the chest.

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===''Kre-O''===
*'''Optimus Prime''' (Mini-Con Combiners, unreleased)
**''Accessories'': Bazooka, [[Phaser (weapon)|phaser]], Uzi, scoped pistol, [[Klingon]] blaster

:"Mini-Con Combiner"' Optimus comes with one standard Kreon and four ''Cityville''-syle mini-Kreons of the same character, each one a different incarnation from various franchises. With some extra parts, the mini-Kreons become limbs to make a larger combiner-bot.

: Two of his limbs are based on ''Armada'' Optimus Prime; one "normal" (Inferno helmet), one pre-[[Earth]]-body (Knock Out helmet). The main torso-bot is based on Generation 1 Optimus's original body. Another limb-bot is based on [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|live-action Optimus]] (Soundwave helmet), and the remaining one (Ironhide helmet)... actually looks to be based on the Optimus-like-but-not-Optimus [[Micromaster]] [[Overload (G1)|Overload]]! The heck?

: Unfortunately, the Mini-Con Combiners apparently never saw release anywhere.
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===''Generations''===
[[File:WFC-Siege-WFC-S40-Leader-Class-Galaxy-Upgrade-Optimus-Prime.jpg|upright=3|thumb|Technically not ''Cybertron'' Optimus by this wiki's classification.]]
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:The [[2019]] ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege|Siege]]'' subline of ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' includes "Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime", which is based heavily on ''Cybertron'' Optimus Prime in all three modes.

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===Planned===
*'''Armada Convoy''' (202?)

:Revealed as grayscale prototype at the [[Wonder Festival]] 2019 [Winter] convention, this all-new Voyager-sized Optimus Prime mold is modeled after his ''Armada'' design, though adding many stylized sculpted details. He also retains the ability to convert into a Super Mode torso.

:At Wonder Festival 2020 [Winter], TakaraTomy stated that this figure has not been cancelled, but is presently not a development priority. The line which will carry this figure also has yet to be decided.<ref>[https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/2020-winter-wonder-festival-information.1188365/page-21#post-17643985 Report from Gamerlingual on the TFW2005 Forums, 9 February 2020]</ref>
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==Notes==
[[File:MonsterConvoy.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Arise, Bigfootimus Prime.]]
* The first test shots of Superbase Optimus Prime had a [http://www.behindthetoys.com/forums/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=7661 molded and recessed Autobot insignia] on the chest button rather than a flat surface with a tampographed symbol. It is unknown why this change was made.
* One of the earliest ''Armada'' Optimus Prime concepts depicts him as being an ENORMOUSLY HUGE MONSTER TRUCK. Makes one wonder about the origins of the "Monster Convoy" inscription on Super Base Optimus Prime's tires.
* ''Energon'' Optimus Prime's combination with the Prime Force is...well, it's pretty much as close to a Sentai Robo that ''Transformers'' has ever gotten. It's also highly reminiscent of Voltron, as noted by our captions for that toy's image. That being said, Transformers characters who combine with non-sentient drones have become more common in the years since ''Energon'', so it seems less unusual now than when it was new.
* ''Cybertron'' Optimus's design would see re-use for the [[Optimus Prime (G1)|''original'' Optimus]] many years later, with the 2018 ''[[War for Cybertron: Siege]]'' toyline's "[[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#S40|Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime]]".

==References==
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==External links==
*[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/OptimusPrime/optimusprime.htm Optimus Prime at TFU.info]
*[http://s33.photobucket.com/albums/d75/binalternator/unreleased/optimus_prime_mini_optimus_prime/ Energon Optimus Prime redeco with Smallest Transformers Optimus Prime gallery]

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User:Waverod

2021-08-10T02:34:54Z

Waverod: Updating gendered terms: typo fix

I'm just this fan, you know?

I'm STILL just this fan, you know, but I'm generally going by Waverod in the fandom, so that's in my signature. It's easier than begging an admin for a name change, which I don't know offhand if they'll even do. Note that this is NOT a separate account from Cosmos1; all edits are under this account, regardless of when they're done.

User:Waverod

2021-08-10T02:34:22Z

Waverod: Updating gendered terms

I'm just this fan, you know?

I'm STILL just this fun, you know, but I'm generally going by Waverod in the fandom, so that's in my signature. It's easier than begging an admin for a name change, which I don't know offhand if they'll even do. Note that this is NOT a separate account from Cosmos1; all edits are under this account, regardless of when they're done.

Talk:Wreck-Gar (G1)

2021-04-16T20:43:07Z

Waverod: /* You talk TV? */ new section

"relationship with Junkion named Nancy"... I'm not so sure we should refer to her by name here, if indeed she's referred to at all. I checked the "Nancy" page, which sources the name as from a Japanese Guidebook. I'm willing to bet that "Nancy" isn't a real name, but along the lines of the "Lucy" quote with which Wreck-Gar addresses her in "Big Broadcast," i.e. a name that fit a TV reference (not that I know which one).--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:42, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
: If a guidebook says her name is Nancy, and we have no other source that definitively gives her a name, I say her name is Nancy, regardless of the original intent. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 21:02, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
::Do the Junkions actually make television references in Japan? I thought they just had Chinese accents. -LV!
:::I recall hearing that too, now that you mention it. If that's the case, it's extremely unlikely Nancy's name is anything but literal.--[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:56, 2 May 2006 (UTC)
::::I'd still like to know the context of this mysterious "Japanese guidebook" better. That's an awfully lame name!--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 04:13, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::Hey, we're keeping "Rodimus Prime." I don't think "lame name" is a criteria here. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:41, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
::::::Takara gave a character a terrible name? HOLY SHIT STOP THE PRESSES! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:18, 3 May 2006 (UTC)
:::::::No need to be insulting....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 15:58, 3 May 2006 (UTC)

::::[http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/tfscans/firstcomp/Nancy01b.jpg]

::::This is from Transformers First Series Complete. Despite it saying "Junkion Lady" in English, the katakana reads "Nanshii", or, well, "Nancy". There's also a sidenote on her in the TF Character Archive book.

::::[http://s90690880.onlinehome.us/tfscans/g1-archive/Archive-Nancy01b.jpg]

::::The "Nanshii" katakana is also there, although I'm admittedly not sure what the rest of the text is. I've been told the First Series Complete book says something generic like "this is Wreck-Gar's girlfriend".

::::(Interesting, it doesn't look like the "Nancy" Lithone character model was USED in the final version of TFTM, although there's one that ''sorta'' looks like her with a lot of details omitted...)

::::Also, about the Junkion race itself - the S3 Autobot history trailer says:

::::''... and Wreck-Gar, the leader of a tribe of Autobots that dwells on the planet Junkion.''

::::Within the context (the narration was going on about off-Earth allies who recently rejoined the main Autobot force), I would say the Junkions were definitely Transformers. Maybe one of the Autobot groups who fled during the war (like those on Paradron or Antilla), but that'd be conjecture. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 16:52, 5 June 2006 (UTC)

Stereotypical chinece accents! [[User:X-BoB58|X-BoB58]] 22:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)

== Fridge Logic. ==

Has it ever occurred to anyone that Wreck-Gar would be a truly huge motorcycle? I mean he's taller than quite a few of the Autobots...
:And the other Junkions can ride him. The only answer is mass shifting.[[User:Monty Prime|Monty Prime]] 14:03, 24 July 2009 (EDT)

==Possible main image==
[[Image:Wreck-Gar-MTMTE.jpg|thumb]]
Ugh no. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:32, 27 December 2010 (EST)
:Not my favorite art, but it does show a clearer perspective. My problem with it is that I think we already use a lot of images from this source, more variety would be better. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:35, 27 December 2010 (EST)
Now that I've cleaned up the long-standing main image, a few errors stand out to me. He's missing his left nipple for some reason, as well as the hip-pouch on his left side. And I guess the motorcycle windshield was left off his head. Oh, the things one notices when there's not so much distraction going on. But hey, at least Wrecky's still reaching for your purse. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:59, 28 December 2010 (EST)

==Name==
"''It's more likely the name is simply a portmanteau of the words "Wreckage" and "Garbage", though''" - I've always assumed the name was a mangled version of the word ''wrecker'', in a Go-Bot style. [[Special:Contributions/87.114.17.64|87.114.17.64]] 18:37, 7 March 2012 (EST)

==Writing style==
After seeing the articles for Wheelie, Sky-Lynx and many other characters with a quirky personality, words cannot express my disappointment upon reading this one and discovering it was not written in TV. [[User:Takeshi357|Takeshi357]] 20:40, 3 November 2012 (EDT)

== Reveal the Shield Wreck-Gar ==

I've removed a section in RTS Wreck-Gar's toy writeup based around [[:File:OriginalRtSWreck-Gar.jpg|this image]] wholesale. First of all, those photos were used to illustrate the ''TakaraTomy'' toy, so they should not be used as the sole evidence for a presumed different original ''Hasbro'' deco, especially not when all the actual official ''Hasbro'' stock photos (seen [http://toys.tfw2005.com/wreck-gar-7-5103 here]) depict the toy in its standard colors.

Secondly, those photos are very grainy, upscaled poor quality edits with overdone hue/saturation settings. The original versions (with unedited backgrounds) can be found [http://news.tfw2005.com/2010/10/13/transformers-generations-kup-170734 here] and show standard Hasbro colors. So the only thing taken from this should be "Preorders for the TakaraTomy figure were originally illustrated with photos depicting a sample in the Hasbro version's deco before the deco for the TakaraTomy version was finalized."--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 16:52, 16 October 2016 (EDT)

== You talk TV? ==

I kinda want a translation of this page in TV. Not as a replacement of this page, maybe just in somebody's sandbox. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 16:43, 16 April 2021 (EDT)

Perceptor (G1)/toys

2021-04-14T18:58:59Z

Waverod: Undo revision 1499383 by Cosmos1 (talk) Undoing own revision, as this is a Japanese toy

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[[File:G1 boxart Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]

'''Perceptor''' is the definitive Transformer microscope.

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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}[[File:G1toy-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Because it's easier to see small things when you have a giant laser cannon aiming at them.]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Autobot, 1985/1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''39'''
**''Accessories:'' [[concussion weapon|Concussion rifle]], missile launcher, 3 missiles

:Formerly the ''[[Micro Change]]'' MC-20 Micro Scope, ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Perceptor transforms into a functional microscope. His magnification is limited to 14X<ref>Perceptor's [[instructions]].</ref> due to the relatively crude nature of his lens. In [[robot mode]], Perceptor is armed with a red "Concussion Rifle" and a rocket launcher that holds one of three red missile-shaped projectiles. On the original ''Micro Change'' toy, the launcher fired via a spring-loaded mechanism, which was disabled for the Hasbro release of Perceptor, but re-enabled for Takara's version of the figure.

:Perceptor can also be configured into a third "vehicular" mode. In the ''Micro Change'' line, this form was a mobile artillery emplacement that repurposed his scope into a cannon barrel. It had two configurations; it could be angled forward to serve as a tank, or upward to serve as a mortar cannon, and could be manned in both by a ''Microman'' action figure, who sat in the "seat" formed by his chest tray. The ''Transformers'' release of the toy chose to reinterpret the mode as a "mobile laboratory" in its instructions, which depicted it in its angled-upwards "mortar cannon" configuration, but Perceptor's [[The Transformers Universe|''Universe'' profile]] didn't go along with this, and referred to it as an artillery emplacement like it was in ''Micro Change''.

:The Japanese version does ''not'' launch missiles from the scope, despite what some sources say.

:There is an odd variant of this toy: some have a more golden-hued chrome than the normal silver. This is not a very common variant.

:The mold was later [[redeco]]ed to make [[Magnificus (G1)#Toys|Magnificus]]. It also served as the model for the non-toy character, the [[Chairman]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Perceptor/perceptor.htm More information on Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===The Transformers Collection===
*'''Cybertron Perceptor''' (Transformers Collection, Japan 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TFC-19'''
: Perceptor was [[Generation 1 reissues|reissued]] in Japan as part of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' line.
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===Classics===
[[File:Class06-toy Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"I will blow up your whole city. For science."]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Legends Class, 2006)

:Available as part of the first assortment of ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' ''[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]]'', Perceptor is a [[redeco]] of the ''Legends of Cybertron'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#LOC|Red Alert]]. He transforms into a BTR-90 armored personnel carrier with a large missile/laser cannon/microscope/telescope.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Onslaught (G1)#Universe (2008)|Onslaught]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Classics'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2008)===
[[File:Universe2008-Perceptorreissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Free him from his prison, so that he may think ''outside'' the box!]]
*'''Perceptor''' (2009)
**''Series'': '''G1 Series'''
**''Accessories'': Concussion rifle, missile launcher, 3 missiles

:Hasbro did their own reissue of Perceptor as part of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' line]]. The [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] was issued in a box with an opening front cover and advertised as a "Commemorative Edition", much like the earlier [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Soundwave]] and the [[Insecticon (G1)#Universe (2008)|Insecticons]] (which were released at the same time as Perceptor).

:Strangely, the spring of the missile launcher was not weakened like most Generation 1 toys, but were straight-out omitted from the gun. This makes the missiles totally useless, because they don't even clip into the gun. Additionally, the box labels his mobile-laboratory mode as a tank mode while not including his actual tank mode.
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:TF2010toy-Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| Thank you [[Aaron Archer|Aaron]], and your love of Perceptor!]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)

:Part of the sixth wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]], Perceptor is based on a combination of Generation 1 Perceptor and [[Perceptor (Animated)|''Animated'' Perceptor]]. His [[alternate mode]] is a generic "scientific expedition" vehicle with the front half resembling a modern off-road vehicle similar to a {{w|Land Rover Defender}} or a {{w|Jeep Commander}}. The rear section features treads instead of wheels, making it a half-track vehicle (which aren't actually produced anymore).

[[File:PerceptorHasbroStock.jpg|right|thumb|upright=0.66|Lack of G1 chrome was deemed "not nerdy enough".]]
:The gun on top of his truck mode can also be turned into a small microscope in a nod to his original toy's alt mode. His license plate reads "MR 51409", the exact significance of which is not yet known (though it might have something to do with the possible birth date of [[Bill Rawley]]'s daughter). In addition, Perceptor has some [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metalized]] parts, which are kind of unusual for a mainline Hasbro toy. The chromed dials on his forearms feature bars compatible with [[C joint]] accessories. Like all ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' [[subline imprint]] figures, Perceptor has a [[rubsign]], which is located behind a translucent door on his chest that can be opened. His hands are compatible with [[5 mm post|5mm post]]s, such as the ones on the guns of his original toy.

:The [[instructions]] incorrectly tell you to position the feet horizontally in vehicle mode, which causes them to press against his knees and prevent the vehicle mode from tabbing correctly in numerous places, when they are meant to be positioned vertically and rest against the trunk. Strangely, the correct position can be seen in the numerous steps depicting the underside of the vehicle, but it immediately switches to the incorrect position on the steps concerning the feet. Additionally, [[packaging]] [[stock photography]] depicts a considerably different Perceptor than the final product. The photos show him having silver [[paint operation]]s on his upper legs and inner forearms, but said parts appear to be made of [[unpaintable plastic]], rather understandably causing the paint operations to be dropped. Additionally, the shoulder laser, chest, and arm knobs sport silver paint rather than chrome.

:According to Hasbro back at [[BotCon 2010]], the toy was planned to eventually be retooled into [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], using a new head that looks like Perceptor's original toy head.<ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-2010-hasbro-designers-panel-170066/</ref> This head mold was used when the mold was [[retool]]ed into ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Magnificus (G1)#Generations|Magnificus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Perceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Reveal the Shield'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===United===
[[File:Unitedtoy-Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Maybe my [[C joint]]s will work!]]
*'''Autobot Perceptor''' ([[February 26]], [[2011]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-15'''

:''[[Transformers United|United]]'' Autobot Perceptor features several differences from his Hasbro ''Reveal the Shield'' counterpart, covering his red vehicle panels with metallic red paint, replacing the clear yellow with colorless clear plastic, and adding some additional detailing to his vehicle mode and robot mode. Other notable details are blue translucent paint on the eyes, as well as silver detailing on his chest. As with all ''United'' versions of the 2010 ''Transformers'' toys, Perceptor lacks a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]], replacing it with a [[tampograph]]ed Autobot sigil. Surprisingly, he lacks any of the chrome from the Hasbro release, leaving those corresponding parts either painted silver or unpainted light gray plastic.
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===Kre-O===
[[File:KreO-Toy PerceptorKreon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Robot mode and "looking for where I put my head" mode.]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2013)
**''Collection'': '''2'''
**''Bag number'': '''***** 74'''
**''Accessories'': Stand-brick, large rifle

: As part of the second wave of [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] [[Micro-Changer]]s, Perceptor is a Kreon patterned after Generation 1 Perceptor. He can be rebuilt into a microscope.

: This Collection was still in circulation at "dollar" stores and drug stores up through 2015. They eventually lost the individual-identifying bag codes, but other changes were hidden inside the bag. The 2015 releases replaced the 2x4 logo stand-brick with a new 3x4 logo plate. The Kreon was also given the slight [[retool]]ing to the arm seen in the 2014 Kreons, making the "cuff" parts more sharp-cornered and better adapted to being used as studs. Some of the add-on pieces may also be slightly off-color, possibly due to a change in factories in mid-production.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2013/Autobot/Kre-OPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on Micro-Changer Perceptor at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy PerceptorC84.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yeah yeah, blinded with science, '80s reference, we get it.]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''B0090'''
**''Voted'': Class Brain
**''Accessories'': Large rifle, microscope slide (?)

: This version of Perceptor, part of the [[Kreon Class of 1984]] (despite the fact that Perceptor did not appear in ''Transformers'' in any capacity until 1985), has much more detailed toy-based [[tampograph]]s than his prior version, including a masked face. He comes with a clear blue 2x2 tile that one can only assume is supposed to be some kind of microscope slide.

:He was only available in a [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014 [[exclusive]] pack of 30 Kreons dubbed the "Kreon Class of 1984". Remaining stock was to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online, only there ''was'' no remaining stock after the show.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/SDCCKre-OPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on Class of 1984 Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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* '''Perceptor''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2016)
**''Collection'': '''2'''
**''Accessories'': Logo plate, large rifle

:In 2016, Collection 2 was re-released in a whole new production run for Dollar General stores in the US as part of a large collection of re-released ''Kre-O'' sets. But where most of these releases are nigh-identical to the originals, the re-released Micro-Changer blind-bags use the almost-entirely-retooled 2015 Kreon, with slightly-differently-hued plastics than the originals. (It is possible for some of the add-on pieces to be in the older hues.) Perceptor's [[tampograph]]s got some color changes, replacing the light gray with shiny silver, and changing his light blue toe paint to black.

:Sadly, this release has no individual-identification code on the bag, requiring you to use the feel-through-the-bag method or just buy blind and hope.
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===Generations===
*'''Autobot Warriors''' (Multi-pack, 2014)
:''Reveal the Shield'' Perceptor was re-released in a three-pack with ''Universe'' [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Ratchet]] and ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)/toys#Generations|Sergeant Kup]], available from Hasbro Asia and [[TakaraTomy Mall]]. All three Autobots feature new metallic paint decoes.

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====Platinum Edition====
[[File:Generations-Platinum-Edition-Autobot-Intel-Ops-Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now we can simulate that [[15 Go! Go!]] scene with ever ''greater'' efficiency!]]
*'''Autobot Intel Ops''' (2015)
**''Accessories'': Concussion rifle, missile launcher, 3 missiles, 6 slides, slide holder

:Hasbro again re-released G1 Perceptor in 2015 as part of the [[Transformers: Platinum Edition|''Platinum Edition'']] toyline. He was co-packed with [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Blaster]], [[Eject (G1)#Generations|Eject]], [[Ramhorn (G1)#Generations|Ramhorn]], and [[Steeljaw (G1)#Generations|Steeljaw]] in a box with an opening front cover.

:A new feature included in this set specifically for Perceptor are six 'microscope slides' featuring different pictures, and a slide holder / cage which can hold all six slides. The slides fit snugly onto the mirror of Perceptor's mounting platform, although looking at them through the scope is an underwhelming experience, to say the least.

:Although Perceptor's missile launcher is included, once again the firing mechanism is completely gutted, with the trigger glued into the launcher. However, the missiles are still able to plug into the launcher and are held firmly in place by friction.

:In the United States, this set was officially a [[Target]] exclusive, though it was initially only ever found at a single Target store, otherwise only available via the company's website. It was later revealed that multiple Target stores had kept it in their stockroom and eventually put it out on instant clearance many months later. However, it was also stocked by US-based online retailers [[BigBadToyStore]] and TFSource, who supposedly obtained it as an import from Asia. It was available in several of Hasbro's Asian markets (namely Malaysia, the Philippines and Singapore; it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular stores there or not). In Australia, it was sold at [[Toys"R"Us]] stores.

:In the United Kingdom, it was both sold at [[Toys"R"Us]] stores and officially available via the UK division of [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]], making this the first official UK release of all the toys contained within! In Spain, it was officially available via the Spanish division of Amazon. In Germany, it was originally available via Bankroft, an online retailer that otherwise specializes in [[Nerf]] blasters and accessories, as part of a special "Fan Edition" arrangement through Hasbro Germany, with the help of several German [[fandom|fan]] sites. Due to low sales, the unsold stock was later sold to Actionfiguren24, a German online retailer that specializes in imported toys, who was able to lower its price for its existing stock of imported Autobot Intel Ops sets as a result.

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====Titans Return====
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Deluxe-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Targeting grid eye not included.]]
*'''Convex & Perceptor''' (Deluxe Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Gun, [[Convex]] Titan Master

: Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Perceptor is based on [[Guido Guidi]]'s design for the character first seen in ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' (complete with sniper rifle), and transforms into a microscope. Perceptor's microscope lens works, and a dial on the scope can be turned to refocus it slightly. Titan Masters can be laid across the tray in robot mode, or pegged into the tray in head mode. Perceptor comes with his Titan Master partner [[Convex]], who transforms into his robot mode head.

: Perceptor is designed to transform into a new interpretation of the third mode of his original toy, with dedicated parts and clips to hold his body in place in the specific angled-upward position of the "motar cannon" configuration, but with his scope pointed forward like the "tank" configuration. It is omitted from his instructions for unknown reasons.

: Perceptor's transformation involves very little to lock anything in place in robot mode, relying on either friction or gravity to hold him together. This leaves him somewhat unstable, and his parts prone to shifting out of place when attempting to move his limbs. The large size of his scope also greatly restricts his head articulation.

: As with other ''Titans Return'' toys, Perceptor can accommodate any Titan Master figure in both robot and vehicle mode, though ''unlike'' most other figures in the line, Perceptor has no dedicated cockpit to hold them in. This means Titan Masters can really only lay in his tray in microscope mode, or attach to him via the small pegs sculpted onto the sides of his altmodes. There does appear to be a section sculpted specifically to hold a Titan Master's feet under the small flip-up silver panel on his chest that would allow them to "man" his third mode... except rather than sitting in it, they have to ''kneel'' with their knees locking into the groove.

: Some instructions erroneously spelled his name "''Pre''ceptor".
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===Legends===
[[File:LG56-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Deluxe Class, [[December 30]], [[2017]])
**''ID number'': '''LG56'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, Headmaster, [[Ramhorn (G1)#Legends|Amhorn]]

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Perceptor is a redeco of his ''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class toy with some minor differences, such as red shoulders and elbows and an Autobot insignia on his chest instead of stomach, and also lacking the toy-style [[tampograph]]s on his legs. His Headmaster, redecoed from Convex, features detailed paint operations to resemble Perceptor himself and has blue instead of yellow eyes in head mode. Perceptor comes with [[Ramhorn (G1)#Legends|Ramhorn]], who transforms into a weapon he can wield.
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===Golden Lagoon===
[[File:TF 35th Golden Lagoon Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Beachcomber / Perceptor / Seaspray''' (Three-pack, November 2018)
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''GL-03'''
**''Accessories'': Gun, Headmaster

:''[[Transformers Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon]]'' Perceptor is a gold and gold chrome redeco of ''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class Perceptor in homage of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] [[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|episode of the same name]]. Packaged with similar redecoes of ''Titans Return'' [[Seaspray (G1)#Golden Lagoon|Seaspray]] and ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Beachcomber (G1)#Golden Lagoon|Beachcomber]], this set was released exclusively by [[TakaraTomy Mall]] as part of TakaraTomy's celebration of the franchise's 35th anniversary. The set was later rereleased by [[Hasbro Pulse]] in the USA in January 2021.

:This toy also appeared in ''[[Generations Selects Special Comic]]'' as a member of the [[Golden Age (Generations)|Golden Age]], who may or may not be named "Perceptor".
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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
[[File:Decoy Perceptor.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Red and rubbery with science!]]
*'''Cybertron Hero Collection 22''' (Decoy multi-pack, 1985)

:Perceptor was among the many characters rendered by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] as part of their series of 1.5" soft rubber ''keshigomu'' figurines. Like all the figures in the series, Perceptor featured a number sculpted into his back that was the sum total of his [[Tech Spec]]s, for use in the various games that could be played with the figurines. He was available in red as part of a 22-piece box set of Autobot figures, in peach as part of various other randomly-packed box sets released by Takara subsidiary [[Seven]], and in a wide variety of different colors in "gachapon" capsule machines.

*'''Perceptor''' (Decoy, 1987)
**''Decoy number'': 30

: The Perceptor figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except for the fact that the number on his back was replaced with a simple "checklist" number. Like all Autobot Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Decoys/Perceptor/perceptor.htm More information on decoy Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===Super Collection Figure===
[[File:SCF Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (2002)
**''Act'': '''7'''
**''Accessories'': Stand

:''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' Perceptor is a non-transforming three-inch tall figure, released [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] in the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (franchise)|Victory]]''-themed "Act 7" of the line (which, given Perceptor had an [[Ginrai Dies!!|extended cameo]] in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|''Victory'' cartoon]], makes sense). He came in both full color and painted-pewter versions, each packed one per case of twelve. Bizarrely, the color version has a red left hand, which is even reflected in the packaging photography.

: The pewter version of the figure has a potential problem with connector peg breakage, due to said pegs often getting a layer of pewter paint before being forced into a socket, leading to sticking and tearing. Care should be used when moving or removing the arms; shaving down the socket interior with a thin hobby knife is usually sufficient to fix the issue. On top of that, the short peg for his shoulder-mounted microscope assembly needs to be shaved down slightly to fit into the extremely shallow hole on his shoulder.

: The pewter version of Perceptor was packed with the [[Star Saber (Victory)#Super Collection Figure|Victory Saber]] rifle. This part could also be in either full color or pewter, packed at a ratio of eight color parts to two pewters.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/SCFPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Super Collection Figure'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/PewterPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on pewter ''Super Collection Figure'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''

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===Heroes of Cybertron===
[[File:HOC Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (2003)

: Perceptor was released in the fourth wave of the ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'', casting the ''Super Collection Figure'' mold in clear blue plastic painted over, leaving the eyes and back of the head unpainted to attempt a [[light-piping]] gimmick. This release also correctly colors his left hand dark gray. There is still a slight issue with the incredibly shallow peg/hole combo that holds his shoulder-scope on, so some slight paint-shaving might be needed to keep it in place.

: He was released on a separate card instead of a blindpacked box, and came with the head and sword of the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys#Heroes of Cybertron|Fortress Maximus]] build-a-figurine.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/HoCPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Heroes of Cybertron'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[File:Robotheroesperceptorhardshell.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Now competing on "Iron Chemist"]]
*'''Perceptor vs. Hardshell''' (2009)

:Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'', Perceptor is a super-cute figure packed versus [[Bombshell (G1)|Hardshell]] as part of the "Generation 1 Series".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/RHPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''

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===Tiny Titans===
*'''Perceptor''' (Tiny Titans, 2016)
**''Series'': '''5'''
**''Number'': '''10/12'''

: Part of the fifth assortment of ''[[Tiny Titans]]'' [[blindpacking|blindpacks]], this version of Perceptor is a very small, soft-plastic figure of him in robot mode, kneeling with a sniper rifle, recalling his [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] incarnation.

: He includes a collectible card that renders him in the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'']] styling. The card includes a scan-badge for the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game]], which unlocks a random amount of Energon "currency" and a randomized bonus power-up item.

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===Transformers Figure Collection===
[[File:TF-Transformers-Figure-Collection-Perceptor-Decoy.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (01-2016)

:Standing 42 mm tall, ''Transformers Figure Collection'' Perceptor is a non-poseable soft-rubber figure based on his [[Decoy]] figure.

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===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:W4PPerceptor.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor//Precise Sniper''' (2020)
**'''Wave 5P: Titan Masters Attack'''
**''Rarity: '''''RT'''
**''Card Number: '''''P06/2020'''
**''Stars: ''8

:This card's set was originally set for an April 2020 release, however due to the global COVID-19 pandemic the release was pushed back to May 29, 2020.
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==Notes==
* At [[Toy Fair 2013]], ''Kre-O'' Perceptor was shown having more or less [[Bombshell (G1)#Kre-O|Hardshell]]'s alt-mode. Why? Lord knows.

==References==
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[[Category:Classics Autobots]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Titans Return Autobots]]
[[Category:Toys"R"Us exclusives]]
[[Category:Transformers with three modes]]
[[Category:United Autobots]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]

Perceptor (G1)/toys

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[[File:G1 boxart Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]

'''Perceptor''' is the definitive Transformer microscope.

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==Toys==
===''The Transformers''===
{{anchor|Generation 1}}[[File:G1toy-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Because it's easier to see small things when you have a giant laser cannon aiming at them.]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Autobot, 1985/1986)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''39'''
**''Accessories:'' [[concussion weapon|Concussion rifle]], missile launcher, 3 missiles

:Formerly the ''[[Micro Change]]'' MC-20 Micro Scope, ''[[The Transformers (toyline)|The Transformers]]'' Perceptor transforms into a functional microscope. His magnification is limited to 14X<ref>Perceptor's [[instructions]].</ref> due to the relatively crude nature of his lens. In [[robot mode]], Perceptor is armed with a red "Concussion Rifle" and a rocket launcher that holds one of three red missile-shaped projectiles. On the original ''Micro Change'' toy, the launcher fired via a spring-loaded mechanism, which was disabled for the Hasbro release of Perceptor, but re-enabled for Takara's version of the figure.

:Perceptor can also be configured into a third "vehicular" mode. In the ''Micro Change'' line, this form was a mobile artillery emplacement that repurposed his scope into a cannon barrel. It had two configurations; it could be angled forward to serve as a tank, or upward to serve as a mortar cannon, and could be manned in both by a ''Microman'' action figure, who sat in the "seat" formed by his chest tray. The ''Transformers'' release of the toy chose to reinterpret the mode as a "mobile laboratory" in its instructions, which depicted it in its angled-upwards "mortar cannon" configuration, but Perceptor's [[The Transformers Universe|''Universe'' profile]] didn't go along with this, and referred to it as an artillery emplacement like it was in ''Micro Change''.

:The Japanese version does ''not'' launch missiles from the scope, despite what some sources say.

:There is an odd variant of this toy: some have a more golden-hued chrome than the normal silver. This is not a very common variant.

:The mold was later [[redeco]]ed to make [[Magnificus (G1)#Toys|Magnificus]]. It also served as the model for the non-toy character, the [[Chairman]].
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Autobot/Perceptor/perceptor.htm More information on Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===The Transformers Collection===
*'''Cybertron Perceptor''' (Transformers Collection, Japan 2005)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''TFC-19'''
: Perceptor was [[Generation 1 reissues|reissued]] in Japan as part of [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s ''[[The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'' line.
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===Classics===
[[File:Class06-toy Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|"I will blow up your whole city. For science."]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Legends Class, 2006)

:Available as part of the first assortment of ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' ''[[Legends Class (2005)|Legends of Cybertron]]'', Perceptor is a [[redeco]] of the ''Legends of Cybertron'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#LOC|Red Alert]]. He transforms into a BTR-90 armored personnel carrier with a large missile/laser cannon/microscope/telescope.

:This mold was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' [[Onslaught (G1)#Universe (2008)|Onslaught]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2006/Autobot/ClassicsPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Classics'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===Universe (2008)===
[[File:Universe2008-Perceptorreissue.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Free him from his prison, so that he may think ''outside'' the box!]]
*'''Perceptor''' (2009)
**''Series'': '''G1 Series'''
**''Accessories'': Concussion rifle, missile launcher, 3 missiles

:Hasbro did their own reissue of Perceptor as part of the [[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|''Universe'' line]]. The [[Toys"R"Us]] [[exclusive]] was issued in a box with an opening front cover and advertised as a "Commemorative Edition", much like the earlier [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Soundwave]] and the [[Insecticon (G1)#Universe (2008)|Insecticons]] (which were released at the same time as Perceptor).

:Strangely, the spring of the missile launcher was not weakened like most Generation 1 toys, but were straight-out omitted from the gun. This makes the missiles totally useless, because they don't even clip into the gun. Additionally, the box labels his mobile-laboratory mode as a tank mode while not including his actual tank mode.
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===Transformers (2010)===
[[File:TF2010toy-Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66| Thank you [[Aaron Archer|Aaron]], and your love of Perceptor!]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Deluxe Class, 2011)

:Part of the sixth wave of the [[Transformers (2010 toyline)|2010 ''Transformers'' toyline]], Perceptor is based on a combination of Generation 1 Perceptor and [[Perceptor (Animated)|''Animated'' Perceptor]]. His [[alternate mode]] is a generic "scientific expedition" vehicle with the front half resembling a modern off-road vehicle similar to a {{w|Land Rover Defender}} or a {{w|Jeep Commander}}. The rear section features treads instead of wheels, making it a half-track vehicle (which aren't actually produced anymore).

[[File:PerceptorHasbroStock.jpg|right|thumb|upright=0.66|Lack of G1 chrome was deemed "not nerdy enough".]]
:The gun on top of his truck mode can also be turned into a small microscope in a nod to his original toy's alt mode. His license plate reads "MR 51409", the exact significance of which is not yet known (though it might have something to do with the possible birth date of [[Bill Rawley]]'s daughter). In addition, Perceptor has some [[Vacuum metallizing|vacuum-metalized]] parts, which are kind of unusual for a mainline Hasbro toy. The chromed dials on his forearms feature bars compatible with [[C joint]] accessories. Like all ''[[Reveal the Shield]]'' [[subline imprint]] figures, Perceptor has a [[rubsign]], which is located behind a translucent door on his chest that can be opened. His hands are compatible with [[5 mm post|5mm post]]s, such as the ones on the guns of his original toy.

:The [[instructions]] incorrectly tell you to position the feet horizontally in vehicle mode, which causes them to press against his knees and prevent the vehicle mode from tabbing correctly in numerous places, when they are meant to be positioned vertically and rest against the trunk. Strangely, the correct position can be seen in the numerous steps depicting the underside of the vehicle, but it immediately switches to the incorrect position on the steps concerning the feet. Additionally, [[packaging]] [[stock photography]] depicts a considerably different Perceptor than the final product. The photos show him having silver [[paint operation]]s on his upper legs and inner forearms, but said parts appear to be made of [[unpaintable plastic]], rather understandably causing the paint operations to be dropped. Additionally, the shoulder laser, chest, and arm knobs sport silver paint rather than chrome.

:According to Hasbro back at [[BotCon 2010]], the toy was planned to eventually be retooled into [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]], using a new head that looks like Perceptor's original toy head.<ref>http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/conventions-15/botcon-2010-hasbro-designers-panel-170066/</ref> This head mold was used when the mold was [[retool]]ed into ''[[Transformers: Generations (toyline)|Generations]]'' [[Magnificus (G1)#Generations|Magnificus]].

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2011/Autobot/Perceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Reveal the Shield'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===United===
[[File:Unitedtoy-Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Maybe my [[C joint]]s will work!]]
*'''Autobot Perceptor''' ([[February 26]], [[2011]])
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''UN-15'''

:''[[Transformers United|United]]'' Autobot Perceptor features several differences from his Hasbro ''Reveal the Shield'' counterpart, covering his red vehicle panels with metallic red paint, replacing the clear yellow with colorless clear plastic, and adding some additional detailing to his vehicle mode and robot mode. Other notable details are blue translucent paint on the eyes, as well as silver detailing on his chest. As with all ''United'' versions of the 2010 ''Transformers'' toys, Perceptor lacks a heat-sensitive [[rubsign]], replacing it with a [[tampograph]]ed Autobot sigil. Surprisingly, he lacks any of the chrome from the Hasbro release, leaving those corresponding parts either painted silver or unpainted light gray plastic.
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===Kre-O===
[[File:KreO-Toy PerceptorKreon.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Robot mode and "looking for where I put my head" mode.]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2013)
**''Collection'': '''2'''
**''Bag number'': '''***** 74'''
**''Accessories'': Stand-brick, large rifle

: As part of the second wave of [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] [[Micro-Changer]]s, Perceptor is a Kreon patterned after Generation 1 Perceptor. He can be rebuilt into a microscope.

: This Collection was still in circulation at "dollar" stores and drug stores up through 2015. They eventually lost the individual-identifying bag codes, but other changes were hidden inside the bag. The 2015 releases replaced the 2x4 logo stand-brick with a new 3x4 logo plate. The Kreon was also given the slight [[retool]]ing to the arm seen in the 2014 Kreons, making the "cuff" parts more sharp-cornered and better adapted to being used as studs. Some of the add-on pieces may also be slightly off-color, possibly due to a change in factories in mid-production.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2013/Autobot/Kre-OPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on Micro-Changer Perceptor at TFU.info]''

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[[File:KreO-Toy PerceptorC84.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Yeah yeah, blinded with science, '80s reference, we get it.]]
*'''Kreon Class of 1984''' (Kreon figure set, 2014)
**''Set number'': '''B0090'''
**''Voted'': Class Brain
**''Accessories'': Large rifle, microscope slide (?)

: This version of Perceptor, part of the [[Kreon Class of 1984]] (despite the fact that Perceptor did not appear in ''Transformers'' in any capacity until 1985), has much more detailed toy-based [[tampograph]]s than his prior version, including a masked face. He comes with a clear blue 2x2 tile that one can only assume is supposed to be some kind of microscope slide.

:He was only available in a [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2014 [[exclusive]] pack of 30 Kreons dubbed the "Kreon Class of 1984". Remaining stock was to be sold at [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] online, only there ''was'' no remaining stock after the show.

::*''[http://tfu.info/2014/Autobot/SDCCKre-OPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on Class of 1984 Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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* '''Perceptor''' (Kreon Micro-Changer, 2016)
**''Collection'': '''2'''
**''Accessories'': Logo plate, large rifle

:In 2016, Collection 2 was re-released in a whole new production run for Dollar General stores in the US as part of a large collection of re-released ''Kre-O'' sets. But where most of these releases are nigh-identical to the originals, the re-released Micro-Changer blind-bags use the almost-entirely-retooled 2015 Kreon, with slightly-differently-hued plastics than the originals. (It is possible for some of the add-on pieces to be in the older hues.) Perceptor's [[tampograph]]s got some color changes, replacing the light gray with shiny silver, and changing his light blue toe paint to black.

:Sadly, this release has no individual-identification code on the bag, requiring you to use the feel-through-the-bag method or just buy blind and hope.
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===Generations===
*'''Autobot Warriors''' (Multi-pack, 2014)
:''Reveal the Shield'' Perceptor was re-released in a three-pack with ''Universe'' [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#Universe (2008)|Ratchet]] and ''Generations'' [[Kup (G1)/toys#Generations|Sergeant Kup]], available from Hasbro Asia and [[TakaraTomy Mall]]. All three Autobots feature new metallic paint decoes.

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====Platinum Edition====
[[File:Generations-Platinum-Edition-Autobot-Intel-Ops-Perceptor.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Now we can simulate that [[15 Go! Go!]] scene with ever ''greater'' efficiency!]]
*'''Autobot Intel Ops''' (2015)
**''Accessories'': Concussion rifle, missile launcher, 3 missiles, 6 slides, slide holder

:Hasbro again re-released G1 Perceptor in 2015 as part of the [[Transformers: Platinum Edition|''Platinum Edition'']] toyline. He was co-packed with [[Blaster (G1)/toys#Platinum Edition|Blaster]], [[Eject (G1)#Generations|Eject]], [[Ramhorn (G1)#Generations|Ramhorn]], and [[Steeljaw (G1)#Generations|Steeljaw]] in a box with an opening front cover.

:A new feature included in this set specifically for Perceptor are six 'microscope slides' featuring different pictures, and a slide holder / cage which can hold all six slides. The slides fit snugly onto the mirror of Perceptor's mounting platform, although looking at them through the scope is an underwhelming experience, to say the least.

:Although Perceptor's missile launcher is included, once again the firing mechanism is completely gutted, with the trigger glued into the launcher. However, the missiles are still able to plug into the launcher and are held firmly in place by friction.

:In the United States, this set was officially a [[Target]] exclusive, though it was initially only ever found at a single Target store, otherwise only available via the company's website. It was later revealed that multiple Target stores had kept it in their stockroom and eventually put it out on instant clearance many months later. However, it was also stocked by US-based online retailers [[BigBadToyStore]] and TFSource, who supposedly obtained it as an import from Asia. It was available in several of Hasbro's Asian markets (namely Malaysia, the Philippines and Singapore; it's currently unknown whether it was exclusive to any particular stores there or not). In Australia, it was sold at [[Toys"R"Us]] stores.

:In the United Kingdom, it was both sold at [[Toys"R"Us]] stores and officially available via the UK division of [[Amazon (website)|Amazon]], making this the first official UK release of all the toys contained within! In Spain, it was officially available via the Spanish division of Amazon. In Germany, it was originally available via Bankroft, an online retailer that otherwise specializes in [[Nerf]] blasters and accessories, as part of a special "Fan Edition" arrangement through Hasbro Germany, with the help of several German [[fandom|fan]] sites. Due to low sales, the unsold stock was later sold to Actionfiguren24, a German online retailer that specializes in imported toys, who was able to lower its price for its existing stock of imported Autobot Intel Ops sets as a result.

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====Titans Return====
[[File:TF-Generations-Titans-Return-Deluxe-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Targeting grid eye not included.]]
*'''Convex & Perceptor''' (Deluxe Class, 2017)
**''Accessories'': Gun, [[Convex]] Titan Master

: Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Titans Return (toyline)|Titans Return]]'' Deluxe Class toys, Perceptor is based on [[Guido Guidi]]'s design for the character first seen in ''[[The Transformers: All Hail Megatron|All Hail Megatron]]'' (complete with sniper rifle), and transforms into a microscope. Perceptor's microscope lens works, and a dial on the scope can be turned to refocus it slightly. Titan Masters can be laid across the tray in robot mode, or pegged into the tray in head mode. Perceptor comes with his Titan Master partner [[Convex]], who transforms into his robot mode head.

: Perceptor is designed to transform into a new interpretation of the third mode of his original toy, with dedicated parts and clips to hold his body in place in the specific angled-upward position of the "motar cannon" configuration, but with his scope pointed forward like the "tank" configuration. It is omitted from his instructions for unknown reasons.

: Perceptor's transformation involves very little to lock anything in place in robot mode, relying on either friction or gravity to hold him together. This leaves him somewhat unstable, and his parts prone to shifting out of place when attempting to move his limbs. The large size of his scope also greatly restricts his head articulation.

: As with other ''Titans Return'' toys, Perceptor can accommodate any Titan Master figure in both robot and vehicle mode, though ''unlike'' most other figures in the line, Perceptor has no dedicated cockpit to hold them in. This means Titan Masters can really only lay in his tray in microscope mode, or attach to him via the small pegs sculpted onto the sides of his altmodes. There does appear to be a section sculpted specifically to hold a Titan Master's feet under the small flip-up silver panel on his chest that would allow them to "man" his third mode... except rather than sitting in it, they have to ''kneel'' with their knees locking into the groove.

: Some instructions erroneously spelled his name "''Pre''ceptor".
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===Legends===
[[File:LG56-Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (Deluxe Class, [[December 30]], [[2017]])
**''ID number'': '''LG56'''
**''Accessories:'' Gun, Headmaster, [[Ramhorn (G1)#Legends|Ramhorn]]

:''[[Transformers Legends (franchise)|Legends]]'' Perceptor is a redeco of his ''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class toy with some minor differences, such as red shoulders and elbows and an Autobot insignia on his chest instead of stomach, and also lacking the toy-style [[tampograph]]s on his legs. His Headmaster, redecoed from Convex, features detailed paint operations to resemble Perceptor himself and has blue instead of yellow eyes in head mode. Perceptor comes with [[Ramhorn (G1)#Legends|Ramhorn]], who transforms into a weapon he can wield.
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===Golden Lagoon===
[[File:TF 35th Golden Lagoon Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Beachcomber / Perceptor / Seaspray''' (Three-pack, November 2018)
**''Hasbro ID number'': '''GL-03'''
**''Accessories'': Gun, Headmaster

:''[[Transformers Golden Lagoon|Golden Lagoon]]'' Perceptor is a gold and gold chrome redeco of ''Titans Return'' Deluxe Class Perceptor in homage of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original cartoon]] [[The Golden Lagoon (episode)|episode of the same name]]. Packaged with similar redecoes of ''Titans Return'' [[Seaspray (G1)#Golden Lagoon|Seaspray]] and ''[[Power of the Primes (toyline)|Power of the Primes]]'' [[Beachcomber (G1)#Golden Lagoon|Beachcomber]], this set was released exclusively by [[TakaraTomy Mall]] as part of TakaraTomy's celebration of the franchise's 35th anniversary. The set was later rereleased by [[Hasbro Pulse]] in the USA in January 2021.

:This toy also appeared in ''[[Generations Selects Special Comic]]'' as a member of the [[Golden Age (Generations)|Golden Age]], who may or may not be named "Perceptor".
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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
[[File:Decoy Perceptor.jpg|upright=1|thumb|Red and rubbery with science!]]
*'''Cybertron Hero Collection 22''' (Decoy multi-pack, 1985)

:Perceptor was among the many characters rendered by [[TakaraTomy|Takara]] as part of their series of 1.5" soft rubber ''keshigomu'' figurines. Like all the figures in the series, Perceptor featured a number sculpted into his back that was the sum total of his [[Tech Spec]]s, for use in the various games that could be played with the figurines. He was available in red as part of a 22-piece box set of Autobot figures, in peach as part of various other randomly-packed box sets released by Takara subsidiary [[Seven]], and in a wide variety of different colors in "gachapon" capsule machines.

*'''Perceptor''' (Decoy, 1987)
**''Decoy number'': 30

: The Perceptor figurine was later brought over to [[Hasbro]] markets as part of the [[Decoy]] promotion, largely identical to the Japanese release except for the fact that the number on his back was replaced with a simple "checklist" number. Like all Autobot Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], and [[Technobot (G1)|Technobot]]s.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Autobot/Decoys/Perceptor/perceptor.htm More information on decoy Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===Super Collection Figure===
[[File:SCF Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (2002)
**''Act'': '''7'''
**''Accessories'': Stand

:''[[Heroes of Cybertron|Super Collection Figure]]'' Perceptor is a non-transforming three-inch tall figure, released [[blindpacking|blindpacked]] in the ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (franchise)|Victory]]''-themed "Act 7" of the line (which, given Perceptor had an [[Ginrai Dies!!|extended cameo]] in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|''Victory'' cartoon]], makes sense). He came in both full color and painted-pewter versions, each packed one per case of twelve. Bizarrely, the color version has a red left hand, which is even reflected in the packaging photography.

: The pewter version of the figure has a potential problem with connector peg breakage, due to said pegs often getting a layer of pewter paint before being forced into a socket, leading to sticking and tearing. Care should be used when moving or removing the arms; shaving down the socket interior with a thin hobby knife is usually sufficient to fix the issue. On top of that, the short peg for his shoulder-mounted microscope assembly needs to be shaved down slightly to fit into the extremely shallow hole on his shoulder.

: The pewter version of Perceptor was packed with the [[Star Saber (Victory)#Super Collection Figure|Victory Saber]] rifle. This part could also be in either full color or pewter, packed at a ratio of eight color parts to two pewters.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/SCFPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Super Collection Figure'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Cybertron/PewterPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on pewter ''Super Collection Figure'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''

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===Heroes of Cybertron===
[[File:HOC Perceptor.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (2003)

: Perceptor was released in the fourth wave of the ''[[Heroes of Cybertron]]'', casting the ''Super Collection Figure'' mold in clear blue plastic painted over, leaving the eyes and back of the head unpainted to attempt a [[light-piping]] gimmick. This release also correctly colors his left hand dark gray. There is still a slight issue with the incredibly shallow peg/hole combo that holds his shoulder-scope on, so some slight paint-shaving might be needed to keep it in place.

: He was released on a separate card instead of a blindpacked box, and came with the head and sword of the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/toys#Heroes of Cybertron|Fortress Maximus]] build-a-figurine.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2002/Autobot/HoCPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Heroes of Cybertron'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''
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===Robot Heroes===
[[File:Robotheroesperceptorhardshell.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Now competing on "Iron Chemist"]]
*'''Perceptor vs. Hardshell''' (2009)

:Part of the fourth wave of ''[[Transformers: Universe (2008 toyline)|Universe]]'' ''[[Robot Heroes (toyline)|Robot Heroes]]'', Perceptor is a super-cute figure packed versus [[Bombshell (G1)|Hardshell]] as part of the "Generation 1 Series".

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2009/Autobot/RHPerceptor/perceptor.htm More information on ''Robot Heroes'' Perceptor at TFU.info]''

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===Tiny Titans===
*'''Perceptor''' (Tiny Titans, 2016)
**''Series'': '''5'''
**''Number'': '''10/12'''

: Part of the fifth assortment of ''[[Tiny Titans]]'' [[blindpacking|blindpacks]], this version of Perceptor is a very small, soft-plastic figure of him in robot mode, kneeling with a sniper rifle, recalling his [[IDW Publishing|IDW]] incarnation.

: He includes a collectible card that renders him in the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 franchise)|2015 ''Robots in Disguise'']] styling. The card includes a scan-badge for the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (mobile game)|''Robots in Disguise'' mobile game]], which unlocks a random amount of Energon "currency" and a randomized bonus power-up item.

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===Transformers Figure Collection===
[[File:TF-Transformers-Figure-Collection-Perceptor-Decoy.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor''' (01-2016)

:Standing 42 mm tall, ''Transformers Figure Collection'' Perceptor is a non-poseable soft-rubber figure based on his [[Decoy]] figure.

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===Transformers Trading Card Game===
[[File:W4PPerceptor.jpg|thumb]]
*'''Perceptor//Precise Sniper''' (2020)
**'''Wave 5P: Titan Masters Attack'''
**''Rarity: '''''RT'''
**''Card Number: '''''P06/2020'''
**''Stars: ''8

:This card's set was originally set for an April 2020 release, however due to the global COVID-19 pandemic the release was pushed back to May 29, 2020.
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==Notes==
* At [[Toy Fair 2013]], ''Kre-O'' Perceptor was shown having more or less [[Bombshell (G1)#Kre-O|Hardshell]]'s alt-mode. Why? Lord knows.

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Classics Autobots]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:Generation 1 toy Autobots]]
[[Category:Generations]]
[[Category:Kre-O Autobots]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Legends Autobots]]
[[Category:Platinum Edition]]
[[Category:Robot Heroes]]
[[Category:Titans Return Autobots]]
[[Category:Toys"R"Us exclusives]]
[[Category:Transformers with three modes]]
[[Category:United Autobots]]
[[Category:Universe (2008)]]
[[Category:Universe Autobots]]

Scouring of Nebulos

2020-07-27T00:59:16Z

Waverod: standard phrasing of continuity note

:''The Scouring of Nebulos is an event from the [[Beast Wars: Uprising]] portion of the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

The '''Scouring of Nebulos''' was the final battle of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], a destructive conflict that embroiled the planet [[Nebulos]] and ultimately left the planet devastated and incapable of supporting life.

==Fiction==
===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===
The Scouring of Nebulos began with the [[Decepticon]]'s initial destabilization of the planet in the 21st century. Their agent, a 'con named [[Zarak (G1)|Zarak]], used the Decepticon [[infiltration protocol]] to spark a war between the planet's [[Hive (G1)|Hive]] nations at war with the [[World Watcher]] alliance. Just as this started however, the [[Human Confederacy]] showed up. With their arrival, the war turned hot. The Decepticons quickly forged an alliance with the Hive, their technologies meshing pretty well. Captive Autobots and World Watchers were experimented on by the mad [[Borx|Fausto Borx]] in hideous fashions, from which the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster technology]] was born.

Not to be outdone, the Autobots managed to create Headmasters of their own. Soon enough, the team of [[Teslor]] and [[Arcana]] managed to expand the process to include [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s as well, giving the Autobots the upper-hand in the already destructive conflict... until the Nebulons [[Fracas]] and [[Nebulon (Headmasters)|Nightstick]] defected to the Hive.

In [[2031]], Fausto and Zarak, already bonded together, turned the city of [[Kinodia]] into the gargantuan [[Scorponok (G1)|MegaZarak]], the first double-Headmaster. The Autobots retaliated by transforming [[Cerebros (G1)|Cerebros]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] into [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]—an awesomely powerful cityformer that took thousands of lives during the course of the Nebulos campaign. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}} {{storylink|Head Games}}

Fortress Maximus and MegaZarak fought, their battle laying waste to what was left of Nebulos, destroying mountains and seas alike. It concluded when the Autobots used Fausto's daughter [[Llyra]] as a distraction, allowing Fortress Maximus to win. But the damage was already done. Nebulos had been rendered completely lifeless and would never again support life. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

The destruction that Fortress and his fellow cityformer wrought proved to be the final straw for the Human Confederacy and its allies, who decided that the Cybertronian civil war was over and forcibly imposed an armistice on both factions. Fortress Maximus and the other Cybertronians responsible for the devastation were subsequently exiled back to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s new [[Allowed Zone]] and forbidden from leaving. {{storylink|Head Games}} {{storylink|Micro-Aggressions}}

[[Category:Battles]]
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising history]]

MediaWiki talk:Community Portal

2020-07-24T00:26:22Z

Waverod: /* Privacy Policy */ new section

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This is the place for discussion of topics that affect the entire wiki. For less wide-reaching subjects, either use articles' individual talk pages or [https://discord.gg/N99Bygq our Discord server].

Some topics that would ordinarily be here have merited their own pages:

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* [[Transformers Wiki:Ads|Ads]]
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 <div class="list-header">'''Dealing With Vandalism:'''</div>
* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/Vandalism|Vandalism]]
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* [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal/GoBots|Discussion on the place of GoBots in this wiki]]
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==The latest vandal / scrubbing slurs==
Is there any way to scrub the changes and that username from the recent changes? Because now we've got a slur on multiple pages, and it'd be nice not to. We should probably also see if there's a way to prevent usernames from having that word too. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:01, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:I believe we're on a late enough version of MediaWiki that somebody with access to our LocalSettings.php (abates?) should be able to switch on the [https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Manual:RevisionDelete 'revision delete'] function for sysops. That would let us scrub the offending edits from the article histories. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 19:08, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::Well, I found a way to rename the user, at least. Which scrubs SOME stuff but not everything. But yeah, if that works, let's. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:11, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::He had another account that got banned yesterday; we should scrub all those too. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:10, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::Sounds good, I'll see about enabling revision deletion for admins. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:10, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::All right, I've redacted a bunch of revisions from both instances. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:33, 4 January 2019 (EST)
::::The one instance that wasn't able to be gotten is McFeely's banning of the original username, since it hadn't been changed yet, but that's only in the "Recent changes" view; it should be fixed everywhere else. Unless you want to undo the edit summaries of all the reversions to strike his name(s) entirely from the record, we're probably all set. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:37, 4 January 2019 (EST)
:::::Thanks, I've changed the usernames in Recent Changes manually. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 22:01, 4 January 2019 (EST)

== Scheduled downtime ==

Our host has to do some maintenance on our server, so there's going to be some downtime on Jan 8, 8:30am UTC. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:25, 6 January 2019 (EST)

== Creating a new page for Dropkick ==
I think that we should separate the 2007 Dropkick with the BB Dropkick just like we did it with Crosshairs and Hound {{unsigned|Crosshairs}}
:I'm rather inclined to agree. ''Bumblebee'' Dropkick has nothing concretely connecting him to ''Transformers'' Dropkick. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:18, 15 January 2019 (EST)
:Why? They're both whiny blue movieverse Decepticon grunts who hate being on Earth. Other than altmode, what makes them more different than ROTF and AOE Lockdown? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 15:27, 15 January 2019 (EST)
::ROTF and AOE Lockdown are both based on the same character (Animated Lockdown). The Dropkicks aren't. [[User:Omegatron|Omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 19:20, 16 January 2019 (EST)

== Help With Where To Store Images For 'Fritos Poster - The Power Struggle' and 'Hi-C Poster / Calendar Battle In The Desert Valley' ==

I have high quality scans of all the images on the Fritos Poster 'The Power Struggle' and Hi-C 'Battle In the Desert Valley', but don't know where to put them. It does not appear you put all images of something (like a book) onto this site; that's why there are external links. It also doesn't look like you could make a separate subpage with all of the images on it. I do not know if I could upload them on this site, or if you have a recommend place to upload them or send to someone's website (like where the Transformers Manga is stored) and then include appropriate links when the images are up so people could read the whole thing. {{unsigned|TheScarletSpider}}
:We have no problem with hosting full posters, actually. In fact, we already have images for [[:File:BitDesertValley.jpg|Battle in the Desert Valley]] and [[:File:HiCThePowerStruggle.jpg|The Power Struggle]]. If yours are cleaner than ours, though, we'd love for you to upload them! You can use the "Upload a new version of this file" link for each image to replace the existing versions. Please be careful about the filesize, though; we generally prefer JPG files at 150 kb or less for bandwidth reasons, though given all the small text, we can probably make an exception for these as long as they're not too big. (Also, please make sure to sign your talk page posts! Just type four tildes at the end (<nowiki>~~~~</nowiki>) and the wiki will take care of the rest.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:25, 7 February 2019 (EST)

Yeah, so both posters are scanned 2 pages each so you can actually read it, but they are in the 4-7MB range, so they would probably need to be hosted elsewhere, and then a link provided on the TFWiki Page to it, if anyone knows any good places to email someone / a website about hosting them. I also have scanned the 4 advertisements on the back of the Battle Desert Valley Poster, as well as the Reinforcements Ad scanned that came with the Power Struggle. ([[User:TheScarletSpider|TheScarletSpider]] ([[User talk:TheScarletSpider|talk]]) 16:18, 12 September 2019 (EDT))
:What resolution are the images at? Surely we can bring down the filesize while still keeping them relatively readable. For now, try hosting them on Google Drive or Dropbox or something, and we'll see if we can't optimize them a bit to make them okay for upload. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:31, 12 September 2019 (EDT)

== Wiki page titles with diacritics ==

I recently read about how SEO is somewhat unfriendly towards searches containing diacritics, resulting in diacritic-containing page titles getting found less often by Google. In that case, how should pages such as that of [[David Garcia Cruz|David García Cruz of Spain]] and [[Gabriel Rodriguez|Gabriel Rodríguez Pérez of Chile]] be titled, additionally considering that IDW in the U.S. often doesn't spell their names with the diacritics in business material? Far be it from me to advocate not spelling personal names natively, but comprising on that seems to be most helpful for the wiki's Internet presence. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 17:42, 10 February 2019 (EST)
:I don't think we should base our spellings of creators' names on what's relevant for SEO, but more the correct way it should be spelled. Though I do notice from googling both of those names that even they themselves spell them both with and without diacritics on their social media. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 18:19, 22 April 2019 (EDT)

=="Core Concepts" and the Main Page==
Okay so here's a thing, kind of a big major cascading-ish thing. Abates brought this up on the Allspark in the discussion of the [[Comics]] page revamp, and let's discuss it here. Namely, the "Categories" box on the Main Page is useless. Categories are a TERRIBLE "first step" to finding information on a wiki. Just a big wad-list of links. That space would be better served with links to actual pages, particularly "core concepts" pages that are good "basics"-level starting points/hubs to find more information, like the new version of the Comics page. 
The issue, though, is that many of the big "core concepts" pages... well, range from "are in need of work" to "are dogshit". "Comics" was clearly thrown togther 15 years ago then not touched significantly since then since it was not a glamourous page to work on... but it's an essential concept. SO. I want to gather a list of candidate pages for this "core concepts" section, stuff that's broad but important, and it'd be good to have folks really work at polishing them up and making them approachable, current-standards pages.
:*'''[[Comics]]''' - Well, most of that work's been done recently.
:*'''[[Cartoons]]''' - We don't have this yet, but we prolly should. Same general idea as the Comics, but should be a LOT simpler. I'll probably work on a version of this in a few days.
:*'''[[Toy]]''' - I mean, it IS the reason this whole damn enterprise exists. A brief glance at this page shows it too could really use a revamp. It's not ''awful'', but it's... not up to our current standards.
:*'''[[Video games]]''' - I'm not convinced the current setup of this page is the best way it could be done. At the very least it needs some pictures.
:*'''[[Continuity]]''' - This page is solid but could use a brush-up. But it's at the core of a lot of related concepts... better to ease someone into "continuity family" talk with the broad-strokes of "continuity" first.
:*'''[[Franchise]]''' - Hoooooo boy does this page need work. What an ugly kludge. BUT the page ''idea'' is a perfect hub for people to find out more about that thing they remember from when they were a kid.
:*'''[[Transformer]]''' - Another good hub for the broader concepts of TF biology and whatnot.
:*'''[[Fandom]]''' - Sure.
:*'''[[Factions]]''' - Maybe? Abates mentioned it as a possibility. Wouldn't be a bad lead-in to reworking the individual factions' pages.
Maybe call the box "Getting Started" instead of "Core Concepts". And honestly? It should probably go ABOVE "Continuity Families", which I'm... increasingly unsold on the need for on the Mainpage, but I'm not calling for it to be deleted (yet). --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:00, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:What about '''[[Character]]'''? As for the general name for these, "the Basics" would be good ... except McFeely's already taken it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:59, 15 February 2019 (EST)
::Christ on a tilt-a-whirl, that page needs SERIOUS culling. It should be MAYBE a third of its current size. There's no way in hell I'd recommend that as a "starter" page. *''looks at edit history to see who did the most work on the page''* of fucking course --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 07:29, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:::Hey, I make no claim as to the quality of the page, I'm just saying that "character" is a core concept that should be in this group (whether the current version of that page or some totally new one or something in between, I have no opinion on).--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:26, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:I'd be willing to take a crack at the Video Games page, but I wonder whether we should continue to split them up by continuity, or do so by console generation instead? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:57, 15 February 2019 (EST)
::It's a good question. I'm not wild about breaking them up by continuity. Breaking them up by pre-Nintendo gaming systems, 8-bit/16-bit era, uh... whatever the PS/Xbox/GC up to now would be considered, mobile apps, and arcades? That what you're thinking? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:47, 15 February 2019 (EST)
:::More or less, yeah. I'm thinking we split it up into 3rd gen (8-bit systems), 5th gen (PS1/N64), 6th gen (GC/PS2), 7th gen (360/PS3/Wii), 8th gen (XB1/PS4/Wii U), mobile, and arcade, with a separate link to the [[Online game]] page because trying to merge all those in might actually bloat it too much. Depending on how the final breakdown looks, I might split off handheld games into their own section as well. Not sure yet whether to list games twice if they appeared across multiple console generations (like how some games were on both PS3 and PS4) or just once. I'll see how each approache looks, then decide where to go from there. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:46, 15 February 2019 (EST)
::::I'm'a be honest, I think distinguishing between 7 & 8 is kinda pointless, especially when you consider how many of those games were also on PC/Steam. 5 & 6 too also seem pretty much the same. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]])
:::::Fair enough. I started a [[User:Cyberlink420/vgsandbox|draft]] and sorted all the games accordingly into categories (though I haven't done any curation beyond that like putting them in release order). I'm gonna try and drill down further later, but I don't even know how to approach the mobile games section; whittling that one down into something digestible and/or writing a summary will probably require help from someone who actually plays the mobile games. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:13, 16 February 2019 (EST)
::::::You know, this might be a place for us to get a shade fancy. I'm thinking tables. Title, release date, system(s), franchise, with that little arrow in each column header that lets you sort the list by that column. Side benefit: not a bullet list leaving a lot of whitespace. I mean, still broken up by the current categories. Something to consider. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:02, 16 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::I did a quick and dirty mockup for the console games, with the systems themselves being a non-sortable column because it's not gonna make a difference when you've got like five or six of them in a single box. If this looks good, I'll do the same for the other sections. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 11:10, 16 February 2019 (EST)
::::::::Yeah, I like that. Has all the stuff most anyone might want to find a particular game, in a format much easier to find the variables in than our normal bullet points. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:10, 16 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::::Okay, the page is almost ready. There's still more to do, but I suggest we move further discussion to the [[User talk:Cyberlink420/vgsandbox|sandbox talk page]] so we're not taking up too much space here. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 22:55, 17 February 2019 (EST)
:::::::::The games page has officially been updated. I also have a WIP Toys section for Transformers that turn into gaming devices like consoles and controllers, but I decided to leave it off for fear that it'd bloat the page. If anyone else thinks it's worth including, though, I'm happy to add it as well. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:55, 20 February 2019 (EST)
:Just want to note that I feel like these links should be consistently pluralised? "Franchises", "Continuities"... - [[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 13:25, 15 February 2019 (EST)

Okay, so, re-opening this discussion, since several of the above pages have gotten their overhauls. I'm feeling like both the "Continuity Families" and "Categories" boxes on the main page should go bye-bye in favor of a single "Fundamentals" section, with the pages listed above. Any thoughts to the contrary? (Sandboxing a box now.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:38, 27 February 2019 (EST)
:[[User:M_Sipher/Sandbox:Fundamentals|Started a "Fundamentals" sandbox page]]. And thought of a new addition... a "'''Movies'''" hub page, since there's been stuff in Japan not in the US... --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 22:53, 27 February 2019 (EST)
::That looks like a great improvement over what we've got at the moment. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 00:49, 28 February 2019 (EST)
:::Unless someone's got any kinda objections/additions to discuss, I figure I'll just make the change once I get [[User:M Sipher/Sandbox:MoviesHub|the "Movies" page]] sorted... and also once we slap a warning or something on [[Character]] because jeezus, that page needs worrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrk. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 04:09, 28 February 2019 (EST)

== Generation 1 toyline labeling ==

Of late, I have observed some "Generation 1" toy headers get changed to "The Transformers" (e.g. on the pages "[[Blowpipe (G1)]]", "[[Prowl (G1)/toys]]", "[[Roadhandler (G1)]]"), presumably because "''The Transformers''" was the actual series name on the original packaging. Is this a trend we want to propagate throughout the site? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 00:52, 19 February 2019 (EST)
:Oof. I'd definitely prefer keeping "Generation 1". "The Transformers" is so unhelpfully generic. Using G1 may not be technically accurate, but it's such a universally known and intuitive retroactive term that it just looks better, especially with toys that have "Generation 2" releases right below it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:34, 20 February 2019 (EST)
::Thing is, "Generation 1" gets used for both the franchise AND the wider grouping that sits above it (whereas Unicron Trilogy → Armada, for instance). That's why other stuff has been changed to ''The Transformers'' in the past (e.g., articles for the cartoon/toyline/etc; as well as Fiction section headers), IIRC - to make it clearer whether (e.g,) G1 cartoons in general (including the JP Headmasters/Masterforce/etc sequels) or the series running from MTMTE pt 1 to The Rebirth pt 3 is the subject at hand. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 21:22, 20 February 2019 (EST)
::I can say that personally, I've been using "The Transformers" only when I'm talking about the media and toyline specifically called that, and almost always something along the lines of "Marvel's ''The Transformers'' comic" or "Sunbow's ''The Transformers'' cartoon." When I'm talking about a character or whatnot, I'll say "Generation 1 Xnamehere." [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:47, 20 February 2019 (EST)
:::Well, that's in line with what Xaaron's objecting to, I think. Making (e.g.) the first subheader (under Toys) on [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys]] say "The Transformers" (or a variation, like "The Transformers (1984)" - which would have precedent with the likes of Transformers (2007)/(2010), Robots in Disguise (2001)/(2015), Universe (2003)/(2008), etc) - rather than "Generation 1".
:::(And I was saying that I agree with the change, since if they're on the page of a "Generation 1" character, they're ''all'' "G1 toys", even if they weren't in the 1984-1991 toylines. We use "Generation 1" on multiple things whereas in other "continuity families" with multiple franchises, we use a term distinct from any of the constituent franchises, like [[Unicron Trilogy]], [[live-action film series]] or [[Aligned]]) - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 00:08, 21 February 2019 (EST)
Kind of related question: Why DO we consider the first franchise to officially be "The Transformers"? I know the "the" is right there in the logo, but it's in the same font as the "More than meets the eye" tagline which we don't consider part of the title. Aside from that, if we REALLY wanted to match the franchise name to the logo, wouldn't it be "The Trans {insert faction symbol here} Formers" or, at least, "The Trans Formers"? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:22, 21 February 2019 (EST)
:[[File:TFUSindiciasamples.jpg|thumb|Knew I'd seen one of these somewhere around here]] Well, the Marvel US series was formally "The Transformers", even after the "The" was dropped from the front cover logo... - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 19:40, 22 February 2019 (EST)

== Quotation punctuation on Siege toy entries ==

So, I noticed that pretty much all of the [[War for Cybertron: Siege (toyline)|Siege]] toy entries use the American quotation style (commas and periods outside the quotation marks, like "this,") instead of the British/logical style (commas and periods inside the quotation marks, like "this",). I've never liked the American style, but personal opinions aside, I kinda find this odd, considering [[Help:Style guide#Grammar|this wiki perfers the logical style]]. Granted, our style guide also says "Respect other editors' style choices", but honestly, I think it'd be better to change to the logical style. After all, are those commas and periods really part of the weapons' names? [[User:ShootingStar7X|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X|talk]]) 20:25, 19 February 2019 (EST)
:It seems to vary by personal choice of the editor, and in spite of that guideline, most users on this wiki prefer U.S.-style punctuation inside quotation marks (which is unfortunate, but oh well). [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 21:39, 15 March 2019 (EDT)

== Rename IDW Generation 1 continuity to IDW 2005 continuity? ==

Obviously, we have an imminent reboot, which the wiki will almost certainly classify as G1, 'cause that's what it does with comics. But even until now, the "IDW Generation 1 continuity" is not the ''only'' G1 based continuity IDW have published - ''Star Trek/Transformers'' has just finished, and there's been a bunch of other G1 "micro-continuities" they've done. "IDW Generation 1 continuity" only really works as a name if it's the ''only'' IDW G1 continuity. And even if you ignore the small stuff, that's not the case as of later this month. So how about switching to naming it by date? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 10:02, 8 March 2019 (EST)
:Date seems to be the most future-proof naming scheme, in case they reboot again in another 10 years. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:57, 10 March 2019 (EDT)
::Yeah, I'm all for switching to date as well, but I'd like to get a few more folks to weigh in before I start updating things, since this change would effect a LOT of articles. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:04, 14 March 2019 (EDT)
:::Problem is, the longer you wait, the harder it becomes to actually do it, if people start slipping in "IDW Generation 1 (2019)" and similar styles that would get caught by find'n'replace. - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 21:21, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
::::Perhaps, but again, I think this is a big enough change that there needs to be some level of consensus before it starts getting implemented. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 21:43, 15 March 2019 (EDT)
:::::Distinguishing by date seems to have a lot of support in the Allspark thread. https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-30/page-609 Not sure why more haven't weighed in here. "IDW 2005 continuity" and "IDW 2019 continuity" sounds good to me. [[User:NovaSaber|NovaSaber]] ([[User talk:NovaSaber|talk]]) 11:26, 16 March 2019 (EDT)
::::::In line with our RiD headers, I suggest adjusting that to "2005 IDW continuity" and "2019 IDW continuity". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:42, 18 March 2019 (EDT)
:::::::The thing about that is that the pages for the RID cartoons are at [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 cartoon)]] and [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)]]. Wherever [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] goes needs to match the headers, because of the way split pages are done. Hence why I prefer "IDW (year) continuity"
:::::::And is anything actually HAPPENING with this? - [[User:Mammalian Verisimilitude|Mammalian Verisimilitude]] ([[User talk:Mammalian Verisimilitude|talk]]) 20:03, 22 March 2019 (EDT)
::::::::It seems we've got a category problem on our hands. I'm seeing pages marked under "IDW 2005", "IDW (2005)", and "2005 IDW". Can we just pick one category banner name and stick with it?--[[User:NexusShard17|NexusShard17]] ([[User talk:NexusShard17|talk]]) 13:23, 04 April 2019 (EDT)
:::::::::There was some further discussion on AllSpark, and it sounds like the current consensus is "2005 IDW continuity". -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 14:27, 4 April 2019 (EDT)
::::::::::The main continuity page stands at "[[2005 IDW continuity]]" while categories should become "Category:IDW (2005) x" in line with our precedent of "Category:Robots in Disguise (2001) x". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:57, 4 April 2019 (EDT)

== Guideline for fan opinions? ==

Hi, I'd just like to ask if there are general guidelines for citing fan opinions on pages (e.g. ''Revenge of the Fallen'' is bad, ''Masterpiece'' Prime is considered one of the best toys ever)? I noticed that some pages cite subjective opinions and some don't, but I'd just like to figure out when it's acceptable or not to do so. --[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 12:42, 22 May 2019 (EDT)

==Uploading Images==
Hi, I'm new to this wiki. I've made contributions on other wikis (Marvel, Shadowrun, Cyberpunk, etc) and was going to upload images, starting with two regarding the Autobot Fleet (IDW) but I keep getting the message that I don't have permission to create new pages. I've followed the instructions and continue to get that message. What am I missing or are only certain individuals permitted to upload images?

[[User:Esparza3368|Esparza3368]] ([[User talk:Esparza3368|talk]]) 00:05, 22 June 2019 (EDT)
:New users are restricted from creating articles (which image uploads fall under) as an anti-spam measure. After you've made more edits (I forget the exact number, hopefully another admin can come along and say?) that functionality will be automatically unlocked for you. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 15:27, 22 June 2019 (EDT)

== General policy regarding toy writeups for toys with multiple releases, reissues etc. ==

I feel like this has been discussed a few times already, but do we have a general rule regarding how we treat toys that had multiple releases in the respective characters' toy sections? For example, both [[Tracks (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Tracks]] and [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys#The Transformers|Wheeljack]] still have their [[Classics (Europe)|"Classic Heroes"]] releases tacked onto their original G1 toy writups, whereas others such as [[Jazz (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Jazz]], [[Prowl (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Prowl]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys#Generation 1|Sunstreaker]] have them separated out into separate writeups. (On top of that, the date for "Classic" Tracks was off by one year! It originally said "1992" twice before I fixed it.) Meanwhile, [[Silverbolt (G1)#Unite Warriors|G1 Silverbolt's ''Unite Warriors'']] writeup itself mentions the 2019 re-release, but the top of the writeup only mentions the original 2015 release date (presumably because the exact date would make adding the re-release date look awkwardly clunky, unlike a simple "2015/2019" date). The other Aerialbots' UW writeups don't mention the 2019 re-release at all.

Generally, I ''think'' the guideline ''should be'' more or less "if there is a new production run in largely unaltered packaging within a few years of the original version, it gets added to the original writeup, but if the official branding on the packaging changes, it gets its own separate writeup", which made us separate stuff like the ''[[The Transformers Collection|Transformers Collection]]'', ''[[The Transformers: Generation One Commemorative Series|Commemorative Series]]'' and ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' out into their own sections. But that doesn't ''really'' cover the "Euro Classics", which had their own distinct packaging designs but ''were'' still part of what we consider the "Generation 1 line"... and then there are a bunch of other complicated cases:
* The 1989-onwards [[The Transformers (Chinese toyline)|Chinese releases]] are generally ignored ''entirely'' in the toy writeups, even though some of them were released more then half a decade after their original US versions, around the same time as the "Euro Classics".
* Most of the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)#Post-series releases|2000-onwards Japanese reissues]] in (mostly) unaltered packaging get their own writeups, but [[Predaking (G1)#Generation 1|Predaking]] and the individual Predacons, as well as [[Sixshot#Generation 1|Sixshot]], have the reissues added to the writeups for the original 1986/1987 releases instead.
*The unreleased redecos of ''Generation 2'' "Hero" [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#CombatHeroOptimusPrime|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys#CombatHero|Megatron]] get separate entries, even though based on the packaging, they were intended as mere color variants like the G2 Dinobots and Constructicons had. The only reason they're considered as separate items is because of the fabled "''Combat'' Heroes" name, which is likely the result of a persistent outdated working name seeping into the fandom's collective consciousness. (See [[Hero (G2)#Notes|here]] for more.)
* What about the very odd case of the Toys"R"Us exclusive [[Unicron/toys#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Unicron]], a straight re-release of the ''Armada'' figure in an identical deco, featuring the same Hasbro product code number and UPC barcode as the ''Armada'' release, but sold in completely redesigned packaging and branded under the ''Universe'' line rather than ''Armada''?
* What, then, about the "Dollar store" releases of Legion Class [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Optimus Prime]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Bumblebee]], [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Transformers (2014)|Starscream]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/toys#LegionClass|Grimlock]]? Originally released in 2014, in packaging mimicking the overall look of the then-concurrent ''Age of Extinction'' line, Optimus, Bumblebee and Grimlock were re-released a year later, now in completely redesigned packaging mimicking the overall look of the then-concurrent ''Combiner Wars'' line, complete with new Hasbro product code numbers and UPC barcodes compared to their 2014 releases... and ''then'' Optimus, Bumblebee and Starscream were re-released ''again'' in 2017, this time in slightly altered and updated versions of their 2014 releases' packaging complete with the old Hasbro product code numbers and UPC barcodes. Optimus, Bumblebee and Starscream mention the re-releases both in their writeups themselves and in the writeup headers (though I had to remove an incorrect mention of an alleged 2015 release for Starscream), whereas Grimlock only mentions it in the writeup itself, but not in the header. Do we consider these all as variations of the same releases, including the 2015 versions?
*My head hurts.
:Anyone?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 07:53, 8 December 2019 (EST)

== New admins ==

Several recent incidents seem to indicate a need for more admins. How do we go about getting some? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:11, 4 July 2019 (EDT)
: I think Walky is the only person with the power to appoint admins, so you'd need to talk to him. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 17:17, 4 July 2019 (EDT)

== Fixing up the category system ==

Our category system at the moment is a mess, in no small part because the wiki is old and over time people have added stuff in different places. One of the rules we should be sticking to is that if an article is in a subcategory, it should be equally able to fit into the parent category. By example, [[Optimus Prime (G1)]] is in:

*[[:Category:Characters|Characters]] -> [[:Category:Robots|Robots]] -> [[:Category:Transformers|Transformers]] -> [[:Category:Generation 1 Transformers|Generation 1 Transformers]] -> [[:Category:Generation 1 Autobots|Generation 1 Autobots]]

Optimus Prime is a character, a robot, and a Transformer, so he can fit into any of the parent categories, so this is a good structure. Meanwhile [[Destro]] is in:

*[[:Category:Organizations|Organizations]] -> [[:Category:Human organizations|Human organizations]] -> [[:Category:Cobra|Cobra]]

While [[Cobra]] is a human organization, Destro is not. If you're navigating into a category for "Organizations", I don't think you should find a category containing a bunch of characters.

The Cobra category has been categorized as though it's the Cobra article when it's actually "People and objects related to Cobra". It contains Cobra personnel and things like [[Cobra Island]].

So I think the Cobra category should be removed from both its current parents, but I'm not sure where it would go. Do we need a top-level category for categories of "articles by subgroup" perhaps? (there are a bunch of categories like Cobra) Thoughts? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:47, 11 July 2019 (EDT)
:If ''G.I. Joe'' is both the name of the franchise and an organization with many non-sentient assets, and Cobra also has the latter anyway, then perhaps it is time to create subcategories along the lines of "Category:G.I. Joe members" and "Category:Cobra members". [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 19:11, 15 December 2019 (EST)
::I think that is perhaps a separate issue? The problem I was talking about is that a category's parent categories should apply to all of the articles it contains. If there was no "Generation 1 Autobots" category, Optimus Prime would be in "Generation 1 Transformers", which still fits. If there was no "Cobra" category, "Destro" would not be in "Human organizations" or "Generation 1 factions". --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:27, 15 December 2019 (EST)

==Parentheticals for way-too-similar page titles==
Okay, this has been brought up on Allspark ([https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-or-the-all-new-all-different-community-portal/?p=3909370 link to the start)] in the wake of the whole "Bring Me The Head Of Optimus Prime" deal, but let's talk about this here. 
"[[Transformers Generations]]", "[[Transformers: Generations]]" and "[[The Transformers: Generations]]" all link to considerably different things, and none of them are redirects. So, tell me, without clicking any of the links... which does each link to? Really shouldn't HAVE to go to a disambig page to find out which is which. 
And I don't think we need to make up a ton of redirects to clutter the searchbar with every variant depending on ":", "the" or minor capitalization change. Hell, "Generations (toyline)" already exists and is sufficient, "Generations (books)" can lead to the disambig page seeing as that list is like 80% books titled "Generations". 
But let's consider other other cases, like how we got "[[Energon grid]]" and "[[Energon Grid (episode)]]", and how that's a bit more helpful than making people page-bounce. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:50, 27 August 2019 (EDT)
:Goes without saying, but I'm all in favor. It might also be a worthwhile idea for someone to do an audit of our list of redirects, see which ones aren't really necessary. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:11, 28 August 2019 (EDT)
:I've never liked the idea that "well, it isn't EXACTLY the same title, so it doesn't need disambiguation". These sorts of things are REAL WORLD ambiguous and we shouldn't be making it hard for people to find what they are looking for. Titles with or without "the" or "a" or "an", capitalization differences, spacing differences (Motormaster vs Motor Master), use or non use of a colon, terminal "!" or "?" all are horrible things to depend on for disambiguation. Translation: I'm all for this. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:21, 28 August 2019 (EDT)
::[[Hun-Grrr]], too? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 08:39, 29 August 2019 (EDT)
:::I'd redirect all variant spellings to the disambiguation page and tag all of the individual articles with their franchise of origin. Even if the name in franchise X is spelled differently from the name in every other franchise, I guarantee you people will get confused and it is quite likely that any particular spelling will eventually be used for another version of the character. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 09:44, 29 August 2019 (EDT)
SO. I'm thinking let's do this. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 05:24, 16 December 2019 (EST)
:Agreed. Though... can I also point to [[Zeta (AB)]] as a place where "keeping a parenthetical even though it's technically unneeded" would be useful? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 06:06, 16 December 2019 (EST)
::Agreed and agreed. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:28, 16 December 2019 (EST)

Okay, so if someone can maybe run a bot script to change the outdated redirects to the three "Generations" pages now further disambiguated, that'd be great. I think next I'm gonna fix the Hun-Grrrs because holy shit y'all --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:04, 12 January 2020 (EST)

Question: Are we okay with having [[Knockout (G1)]] and [[Knock Out (G1)]]? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:22, 22 May 2020 (EDT)
:I think they need to be disambiguated further. Perhaps (G1 Micromaster) for the former. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:08, 22 May 2020 (EDT)

==Official TFWiki Discord==
In light of some recent coordination issues, several editors (including five of the site admins) have agreed that having a dedicated space on Discord to discuss the wiki in real time would be useful, and so I've made one. Yes, this means discussion is now fragmented three ways - here, over on the Allspark thread, and now in the server - but it seems that the existing forums already don't account for everyone, so I'm inclined to call this a codification of the existing situation rather than additional splintering. Admins have full privileges over the server at the moment, but they're not expected to handle any moderation; for now that's my responsibility if it turns out to be necessary, acting in capacity of being a mod for the Allspark. [https://discord.gg/N99Bygq You can join the server here] - whether you're a regular editor, an infrequent contributor (like me) or just a wiki-walker with an interest in the site's inner workings. --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 08:52, 17 December 2019 (EST)
:The Discord server has been a pretty solid success so far, and people there have agreed that putting a link at the top of this page would be a good idea, so I've done that - if anyone has any qualms with this, speak up! Activity on the Allspark thread has diminished significantly in light of recent events, so it seems that the Discord might end up replacing it entirely in the long run.
:People also seem pretty keen on the idea of getting a link up on the main page itself, alongside the twitter/tumblr links. Any thoughts on this? --[[User:The Wadapan|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan|talk]]) 16:36, 20 March 2020 (EDT)

==User account created, but no activity==
Something I've noticed when I'd pop in every once in awhile when checking the Recent Changes/User Creation Log is that once a new user account has been created, there's no activity. Granted, some have been blocked for various reasons (mostly the autoblocks), but I wonder whether there should be anything done to the others (aside of just leaving them alone). Like, delete the username after a certain period of no activity, or would that affect the IP address? I'm reminded of how one user had a history of creating and then camping subreddits, which was against Reddit's TOS. -- [[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 00:12, 7 January 2020 (EST)
:There is a maintenance script we can run which deletes old users with no edits to their name, ISTR. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 17:20, 7 January 2020 (EST)
::That sounds good. -- [[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 20:26, 10 January 2020 (EST)

== Minor skin tweak ==

The latest version of Firefox was making the scrollbars look funky and blue on our site, so I have put some css in to fix them. Hopefully this should not affect any other browsers, but please let me know if you're using Chrome or IE7 or something and it is causing a problem. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:20, 8 January 2020 (EST)

== 2007 Movie Universe and 2018 Movie Universe ==

Since Bumblebee is officially a reboot, will we be separating the sections on the movies similar to what has been recently done with the IDW 2005 and 2019 sections? --[[User:Waspscream|Waspscream]] ([[User talk:Waspscream|talk]]) 21:36, 16 January 2020 (EST)
: No, because we don't know it's a proper reboot yet, so we have no reason to do so. This has been discussed at length already. [[Misconceptions and urban legends about Transformers#Bumblebee|Please read this.]] -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:05, 16 January 2020 (EST)

== Prime Wars Placement ==

I'm probably being an idiot and there's a perfectly valid reason for it, but why aren't the Prime Wars Trilogy bios placed in character's G1 Cartoon sections? Is it the slight IDW influence, or not enough evidence that they belong there? --[[User:Waspscream|Waspscream]] ([[User talk:Waspscream|talk]]) 23:16, 26 January 2020 (EST)
:The Prime Wars Trilogy is a completely separate continuity from the G1 cartoon. The G1 Cartoon sections are for information detailing a character's exploits in continuities tied directly or nearly directly to that 1984-1987 animated series produced by Marvel Productions and Sunbow Productions, which the Prime Wars Trilogy has no connection to and therefore gets it own separate section on each character's page. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:25, 26 January 2020 (EST)
::I could agree to that back when Combiner Wars was out, but by the time of Power Of The Primes, there were a lot of additions, such as Megatron once having been Galvatron and Unicron stuck as a head, that seem to attempt to connect it to the cartoon. At the very least, it's somewhat tied to the cartoon, even with many incongruities. -- [[User:Waspscream|Waspscream]] ([[User talk:Waspscream|talk]]) 16:20, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::It's really not. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:41, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::"Things are referencing the first really huge piece of popular media most people are familiar with" is not exactly slam-dunk proof of "actually part of the same timeline". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:13, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::: Admittedly, I didn't explain my opinions very well, but while Megatron being Galvatron is common, the use of it here seems like an attempt to reconcile the series as somewhat connected to the G1 cartoon, on a similar level to Beast Wars, I guess. There were other examples, that was just the first that came to mind. There isn't really any true proof for it, so I guess I'll leave it at that. I guess the entire thing is in a grey area free for personal interpretation of where it could belong. I'm kinda new around here, and I'm not trying to start an argument, just get some clarification about what belongs where. -- [[User:Waspscream|Waspscream]] ([[User talk:Waspscream|talk]]) 21:38, 27 January 2020 (EST)
:::::Power of the Primes also hinted that when Unicron turned Megatron into Galvatron, it was by the power of the Matrix of Chaos, a device that did not exist in the G1 cartoon and thus which was not used by Unicron to turn Megatron into Galvatron in the 1986 movie. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 00:39, 28 January 2020 (EST)
::::::And that Unicron was destroyed in ancient times by the Requiem Blaster, a thing that very much did not happen in the original cartoon. (And for the record, we don't treat Beast Wars as a direct cartoon followup either since it blends elements from both Marvel and Sunbow.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 00:57, 28 January 2020 (EST)
::::::: I am aware of that. -- [[User:Waspscream|Waspscream]] ([[User talk:Waspscream|talk]]) 22:13, 29 January 2020 (EST)
:::::::Given the prominence of the G1 cartoon, it is not surprising that so many later stories make reference to it or homage it. But that's all that this is, referencing and homages. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:13, 28 January 2020 (EST)

== Franchise pages ==

I wanted to float an idea regarding our franchise pages. They're typically pretty sparse and some which aren't are just plain paragraphs of text with lists. What do people think about formatting the franchise pages more like the main page? I've made an [[User:Abates/Franchise sandbox|example sandbox]]. I used Rescue Bots Academy as an example, since we currently have it linked on the sidebar, so there's boxes for the cartoon, toyline, major characters, and a featured article (which I think would be best as a random article rather than manually being changed each month). --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:46, 20 March 2020 (EDT)
:I like this a LOT. That said, how would this template handle pages with way more information like Beast Wars? Also, a suggestion made on the Discord was for the featured article to change between premade selections similar to the [[Main Page/disambig|main page disambiguation template]] or [[multilingual packaging]]. Would that be worth exploring? -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:34, 20 March 2020 (EDT)
::That was my thinking as to how the featured article section would work. As for something like Beast Wars, probably everything below, say, "A dramatic change" could stay as is. The idea is to present the main info in a more appealing manner, but there's nothing to say we couldn't have more conventional sections further down. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:39, 20 March 2020 (EDT)

== Source namespace ==

We currently have a bunch of source documents which have names like "Angry Birds Transformers bios/src". It's possible to create a Source namespace so instead they would be at names like "Source:Angry Birds Transformers bios".

Advantages: Everything that's an official document would be all in one namespace, searchable independently of mainspace articles. 
Disadvantages: We wouldn't be able to have a namespace article with a title starting "Source:", but I think it's unlikely to be an issue. We have [[Source]] which is a redirect, but I don't believe it would be affected.

What does everyone think? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:32, 26 April 2020 (EDT)
:Makes sense to me. There's a lot of online-only text that's disappeared from official websites (Legends card game, Robotmasters, Cloud, lots of bios, etc.) Preserving this stuff would help in the future. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:38, 26 April 2020 (EDT)
::I'm in agreement. I think the pros heavily outweigh the cons, and I'm sure we can find a workaround if there's a story title that starts with "Source" down the line. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 19:57, 26 April 2020 (EDT)
:::If there aren't any objections then, I'll get it set up! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:55, 27 April 2020 (EDT)

== Should we add a category for "Toy of the Year" winners of the Hall of fame? ==

Seeing that we already have categories for "Hall of Fame characters," and "Hall of Fame creators," we probably should make a category for the "Toy(s) of the Year(s)." Just my opinion. [[User:DDog|DDog]] ([[User talk:DDog|talk]]) 17:03, 1 May 2020 (EDT)

== Minor edits ==

I just wanted to post a reminder about minor edits, because I've seen people mark edits as minor which I don't think should be considered minor. Minor edits are things like spelling and grammar corrections, formatting corrections, and the like. If you're adding an entire sentence to an article or a whole new note, it shouldn't be marked minor. We've got a brief section on this here: [[Help:Style guide#Minor and major edits]]. I'm not looking to single anyone out, just post a reminder because it seems to be more common recently. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:09, 3 May 2020 (EDT)

=="Japanese ID number"==
I dunno if "uncomfortable" is the right word, but "Japanese ID number" feels off for a variety of reasons, including these toys not being sold ONLY in Japan. I'm increasingly thinking there's a better option for this info in the toy entries.
*For entries that cover both the Hasbro and Takara versions, "Takara ID number" works better. (Conversely, those handful of Hasbro toys w/ numbers, "Hasbro ID number")
*For entries about toys ONLY released in Takara lines, just plain old "ID number" should suffice.
I realize this is... a buttload of changes across the wiki, and not a top priority or anything, but maybe something folks can pick up here and there while making other edits in the relevant sections. Thoughts? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:50, 5 May 2020 (EDT)

== Do Euro-Classics get their own listing or not? ==
We are currently very inconsistent on whether [[Classics (Europe)]] counts as a G1 toy release as distinct as a Targetmaster or Pretender upgrade. Look at [[Sunstreaker (G1)/toys]] and [[Prowl (G1)/toys]] and compare to [[Sludge (G1)]] or [[Wheeljack (G1)/toys]]. I think they should all be listed distinctly - that the Sunstreaker approach is right. Is there any reason why we wouldn't do this? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 20:26, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
:I think it's just that no one has bothered to do it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 21:07, 5 May 2020 (EDT)
::Pretty much. A LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of old stuff on this wiki -particularly the toy entries- needs to be dusted off and looked at and brought up to modern standards/consistency. But that's a pretty dang involved process and while it seems many of us have more spare time now, it's still... a kinda draining, droning way to spend it. (I've been tackling BW but hoofta, it's a lot.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:01, 6 May 2020 (EDT)

== TF Car Robots concept materials? ==
Z226_JUPITER on [https://twitter.com/Z226_JUPITER Twitter] had been tweeting several behind-the-scenes stuff on ''[[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|Car Robots]]'', namely design notes, storyboards, and [https://twitter.com/Z226_JUPITER/status/1258406704334532614 height chart], like how the Almanacs were for Animated. One of the more recent [https://twitter.com/Z226_JUPITER/status/1260473367192317955 tweets] noted a possible 176-page book being released, as well a PDF version. Unfortunately, I don't know anyone here who's fluent in Japanese to be able to better ask Z226_JUPITER about it, much less how a copy could be obtained to further supplement the wiki here for non-Japanese readers. One thing is that I don't know if this is something like a fan-release thing or something OKed by Takara, given how there have been the occasional official doujinshi/fan-supplemented materials green-lit by companies. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 17:42, 14 May 2020 (EDT)
:I've crossposted this to the Discord server and one of our Japanese speaking users there (Star-Spangled Sam) volunteered to look into it. Abates and I looked at it a bit too, and found that Z226_Jupiter has a link in his Twitter profile to his works on booth.pm. That site appears to be a place for self publishing fan works and related to Pixiv, a Japanese site which is similar to DeviantArt. The book can be purchased from that site. As for whether it has any approval from TakaraTomy, that's unclear so far. The description when run through Google Translate reads like the speaker is not affilated with TT (which makes sense given this is a fanwork) but beyond that there's no indication. We're waiting to see what Sam comes up with. --[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 14:34, 3 June 2020 (EDT)
::Much kudos. --[[User:Lonegamer78|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78|talk]]) 18:52, 5 June 2020 (EDT)

== New bot proposal ==
After some discussion on the Discord about the need for a new bot and having been thinking about writing one for awhile now, I've put together a proposal for how a new bot would work, and what kinds of things it might likely do. This done with the idea that [[User:Deceptitran|Deceptitran]]'s functionality would need to be replaced, given [[User:Derik|Derik]]'s infrequent appearances these days and no else having access to run Deceptitran. There's also a distinct possibility Deceptitran isn't functional at the moment as the URL for the Emopanda site Derik was using for hosting things externally (I presume this includes Deceptitran) is abandoned.

The way I see it, the bot could run a number of recurring tasks at different intervals, plus any one time "on demand" requests from Wiki editors/staff. Requests would made by editing a subpage of the bot's user page and filling out a template. This would be much the same as link fix requests worked with Deceptitran.

Every 15-30 minutes, the bot would check it's user page for new "on demand"/"editor generated" requests and process them.
For these requests, I see two levels of approval they could go through: 1. Request approval and 2. Result approval. The former would be approval of the request before any processing occurs. The latter would be approval of the results of a request before the bot actually makes any changes on the Wiki.

I think the first level of approval could be handled by checking Wiki rights/permission of the requesting user. A bot request approval permission could be created and assigned to any trusted non-mod or Admin user. Then only requests from those users, mods and admins would be processed. This would prevent anons and other untrusted accounts from using the bot for nefarious purposes without requiring active moderation of the request submissions by a human.

Result approvals would be to prevent the bot from making tons of errant changes. Someone would have to manually go through the list of changes proposed by the bot to see if anything looks wrong. To limit the amount of time we have to spend looking over stuff like this, I think it would make sense to make this a requirement only for requests that would produce a minimum (10? 20?) number of changes. This limit could be gradually increased as we become more confident in the bot's logic.

Verification of these changes would be done by logging into a site running on my hosting service, same as the bot would be. As for who would do it, I am willing to do it and/or we could set it up for any mods/admins that would like to. I've also thought about the possibility of having email notifications for when a request needs to be reviewed.

I've come up with the following ideas for what kinds of tasks could be done on demand:
::Link fixing
::Category tagging/untagging
::Section reordering by header level
::Mass page moving

In addition to the recurring on demand processing job, I've come up with some other recurring jobs that I think might be beneficial:

::At least once a day:
:::Page deletion
:::Welcoming users (placing the welcome template on their talkpage)
:::Fix redirects

::Daily:
:::Remove stale dated templates

I'm open to any other ideas on what tasks we'd like to have the bot perform. I'd also like to hear some thoughts on which tasks should get added as functionality first.
--[[User:Tigerpaw28|Tigerpaw28]] ([[User talk:Tigerpaw28|talk]]) 14:34, 3 June 2020 (EDT)

==G2 Go-Bots mold templates==
Hey y'all, I just knocked out a set of mold templates for the original six G2 Go-Bot toolings, I think I've gotten everything consistent as far as how to refer to stuff, but it's a little idiosyncratic because unlike say, the CW limb guys, you've got a case where Motormouth was released in two slightly different but clearly distinct plastic colors (clear vs opaque) and then RID Ironhide/CR Ox had multiple different uses of the tooling in different colorways, all intended to be the same character, which I'm struggling to think of a comparable situation. If someone else wants to go over the nomeclature I used (especially for the various store exclusive redecos) be my guest.

If I'm feeling REALLY masochistic, I might try to do a template like this for the Armada Mini-Con toolings, which are probably ''Classics'' Seeker level of reused. '''EDIT TO ADD:''' If I were to do the UT Mini-Cons, would the mold templates use the names the toys were sold under (e.g. "X-Dimension Sail") or the names that were retroactively applied by Ask Vector Prime? I'm inclined towards the former and to not even mention the retronyms, because otherwise the box gets really cluttered. I sort of flirted with this with 2003 Universe Camshaft and Hoist, who were just straight reissues of KB W.A.R.S. and Ironhide, but at least they were available on shelves under those names. I didn't bother with the Prowl and Ironhide that were retroactively "declared" to be Red Alert and Trailbreaker because who cares, lol. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 14:44, 10 July 2020 (EDT)
:Mold templates are indeed geared to names of toys themselves. As you point out, a Japanese-exclusive toy should not use an English retronym. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:37, 10 July 2020 (EDT)
::As someone who wrote a lot of bios that gave Japanese Mini-Cons "western" names, yeah, use the names the toys were sold under. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:09, 10 July 2020 (EDT)

== Scheduled downtime ==

Our web host has notified me of some downtime scheduled for August 7 at 3AM UTC, so the site will be unavailable for a period at that time. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 02:18, 17 July 2020 (EDT)

== Scoop bastard template ==

Since we have changed the caption bastard template to caption happy, do we wish to change the scoop bastard template as well? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:32, 17 July 2020 (EDT)
:Done and done. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 10:55, 17 July 2020 (EDT)

== Privacy Policy ==

I just noticed we have an unofficial, unadopted privacy party that's over a decade old. I raised the question in more detail on [[Project talk:Privacy policy|its talk page]], but it seems like something that should at least have a discussion and official outcome of some sort.--[[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 20:26, 23 July 2020 (EDT)

User talk:Chris McFeely

2020-07-24T00:10:38Z

Waverod: /* Broken redirect */ new section

*[[User talk:Chris McFeely/2006|2006 Archives]]
*[[User talk:Chris McFeely/2007|2007 Archives]]
*[[User talk:Chris McFeely/2008|2008-9 Archives]]
*[[User talk:Chris McFeely/2010|2010-16 Archives]]

== Functionist Universe's creation date ==
Its designation is: [[Primax]] 1114.26 Gamma, with 1114.26 correspoding to issue #35's publish date November 26, 2014. So logically, it's Perceptor's tampering -- not Rewind's shooting -- which created it. --[[User:Kmc|Kmc]] ([[User talk:Kmc|talk]]) 20:47, 4 February 2017 (EST)
:1. I'm sure Chris knows that. 2. Speaking as someone who worked on Vector Prime: what it wrote doesn't mean jack for ongoing fiction. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:08, 4 February 2017 (EST)
:What the what now? Let's not be overly pedantic. They're BOTH responsible.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 21:23, 4 February 2017 (EST)
==Image tagging==
Can you give me a list of how to upload a photo correctly with the copyright information? [[User:NexusPrime|NexusPrime]] ([[User talk:NexusPrime|talk]]) 13:55, 8 May 2017 (EDT)
:Sure, no problem. Just use this text: <nowiki>{{RID2015cap|Put your description of the image here.|The title of the episode here|And the last two digits of the year the episode aired here.}}</nowiki> So for instance: <nowiki>{{RID2015cap|Crustacion hitting Grimlock.|Defrosted|17}}</nowiki>
:And the wiki software automatically does the rest! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 14:30, 8 May 2017 (EDT)

==Shanna O'Hara==
Yes I know that was her real name but I'm saying that that name was a reference to the Marvel character.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 19:07, 9 July 2017 (EDT)
:Oh wait you mean her real name in other continuities too. I thought it was made up for the series. Ok, sorry for the confusion.--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 19:08, 9 July 2017 (EDT)

== Image to delete ==

[[:File:RIDart-Bludgeon.jpg|This image]] is glitched somehow. Might I ask you to delete it for me now so that I can reupload it? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:14, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
:Looked okay to me, but zapped it for you anyway! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 14:16, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
::Ah, maybe I should have tried clearing the cache on my browser. Oh well, thanks a lot Chris! [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 14:20, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
:::BTW, can you delete this too? http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:Last_Knight_planets--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 15:35, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
::::Nothing to delete, it doesn't exist! You can type "Category: anything" into the address bar and it'll show you a similar page, but the page doesn't actually "exist." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 15:46, 17 July 2017 (EDT)
::::: Sorry, "--" got in the way of the link. Here: http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:Last_Knight_planets --[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 15:52, 17 July 2017 (EDT)

== "Utterly ridiculous" ==

That was referring to the fact that, officially, his name is '''Dad''' and nothing more. But I suppose the "notes" section can make that clear enough. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 19:27, 23 July 2017 (EDT)

==Cybertron episode "Homecoming"==
Hi Chris, Thanks as always for all the help as I cut my teeth as a new tfwiki contributor rewatching ''Cybertron'' and subbed '' Galaxy Force.'' Regarding your most recent edits in the episode "Homecoming", the whole "something-burger" saying started around 2003-4 which is why I found it super clever for the writers to work it into the script. The two-fold nature of the joke probably makes it my favorite bit of humor in the whole series. Could we please consider leaving the reference as I wrote it? [[User:Zcat6|Zcat6]] ([[User talk:Zcat6|talk]]) 22:20, 3 December 2017 (EST)
:Sorry, I honestly can't give the writers as much credit as you do. I just don't think it's supposed to be that clever a joke. ''Crumplezone'' isn't that clever. He doesn't make snappy, three-tiered puns, he's dumb and gets things wrong sometimes, which is what "Sonic Burger" is. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 09:54, 5 December 2017 (EST)

:-- Well, I can't argue that you do make a good point there, but I do feel like the writers deserve props on this one. Still, I also admit I'm a forever optimist with the Unicorn Trilogy, listening for better things in the writing each time I rewatch it. Very well. I concede.:) [[User:Zcat6|Zcat6]] ([[User talk:Zcat6|talk]]) 11:29, 5 December 2017 (EST)

==Proverb?==
Although I am, I can't seem to remember the Chinese version of "My Truth, Your Truth, And Their Truth"? Can you specify?
--[[User:Kmc|Kmc]] ([[User talk:Kmc|talk]]) 11:33, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
:It's an unattributed "ancient Chinese proverb" that is exactly what Krok says. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 11:38, 13 June 2018 (EDT)
::I mean if you happen to have the Chinese version. Because me and my Chinese friends are racking our brains.
:::Oh, no, I don't. It'd probably pop up if you googled it. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't an ''actual'' Chinese proverb, just one of those old sayings that people ''say'' is "ancient Chinese wisdom." - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:01, 13 June 2018 (EDT)

== Multiple accounts? ==

Appreciate you blocking Kampung, but would you be so kind as to run a check, make sure they aren’t the same IP as Memeuser? I know it’s a weird request and I’m probably just being paranoid, but something about the whole thing feels off. Like, Kampung doesn’t make any edits for 8 months, then Memeuser suddenly tries to start something on their talk page unprovoked, and that just HAPPENS to be when Kampung comes back? Like I said, I’m probably just being paranoid, but there’s something weird about the whole thing. — [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:44, 29 November 2018 (EST)
:Ooh, I don't think I know how to do that, check with [[User:Abates|Abates]]! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:54, 29 November 2018 (EST)
::Will do, thanks. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 13:55, 29 November 2018 (EST)
::Yep, thought so. Both users now blocked indefinitely. Thanks again. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:17, 29 November 2018 (EST)
:::For the love of god! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:26, 29 November 2018 (EST)

== Sorry. ==

Sorry about adding a joke caption, I'm a recent contributor so I don't know all the rules yet.
--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 16:19, 16 December 2018 (EST)

==Kibble==
Think you could take a chainsaw to the "history of the term" part too? Cuz holy shit is that some duuuuuuuuuuuull twaddle ain't nobody but one person gives a shit about. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 15:11, 16 March 2019 (EDT)

:Sorry, Chris! I wanted to improve the welcome template with perhaps a few more helpful links. [[User:Sonikkustar|Sonikkustar]] ([[User talk:Sonikkustar|talk]]) 14:00, 18 March 2019 (EDT)

== Asking for help over at Joepedia dealing with Starscreamsfan's edits there about voice actors ==

Hi, I've recently become an admin over at joepedia (a fandom wiki about G.I. Joe) and have discovered that Starscreamsfan was active over there a few years ago adding voice acting data. Given his known proclivities for *ahem* creative voice identification, I have taken the step to indefinitely block him (even though he hadn't been active recently) but am not sure which of his edits there might be problematic. I would appreciate any info you could give me on known voices for G.I. Joe or any leads you could give me to find someone who could help on this. Thank you for any help you might be able to give. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 01:05, 30 November 2019 (EST) Unrelated personal comment: I really enjoy your Transformers: the Basics videos. Just wanted to say that. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 01:05, 30 November 2019 (EST)
:I recall him spreading this tentacles there! I'll give it a look over, but if I recall, former TFWiki editor Detour went in and cleared his guff out at the time. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 12:13, 30 November 2019 (EST)
::Thank you. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:16, 30 November 2019 (EST)

== Bumblebee (Movie)'s original design ==

Hi Mr. McFeely! I'm sorry to bug, but before adding something wrong, I just wanted to ask you if these two information (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lj3g9DVjN3c and https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQyGaN1UrYM) are true or not, because I found nothing on Internet and, except you, I don't know many experts in this field 😂. Thanks! [[User:Grievous Prime|--Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:32, 16 June 2020 (EDT)

== Broken redirect ==

I was taking a look at the broken redirects, thinking that maybe there'd be something there I could help out with. As of right now there's exactly one, and it's a redirect of your Sandbox:Transwarp to your former Sandbox:Transformer afterlife. Didn't know if you wanted to keep that redirect around for some arcane reason, or if it just got overlooked, but as it's under your user page I thought I'd mention it in case you didn't realize it was still there. --[[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 20:10, 23 July 2020 (EDT)

MediaWiki talk:Privacy policy

2020-07-23T23:53:44Z

Waverod: /* Note about unofficial status */ new section

Is it too much to suggest that, as a page linked from every other page on the Wiki, there should be something here?

Hell, even if it wasn't, it would probably *still* be a good idea... - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] 18:18, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
:Hrm, I take it the Transformers Wiki: and Help: pages weren't restored with everything else. Though there's no cache page in the big zip for Privacy Policy, so I'm not sure what happened to it (assuming there was ever a page here!) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:25, 28 March 2009 (EDT)
::They weren't automatically reposted. And every non-Main article in the big zip file is what I could find by doing a search for "<nowiki>http://tfwiki.net/wiki/(namespace):</nowiki>" on Google. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 21:19, 28 March 2009 (EDT)

So I guess we still don't have a privacy policy? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 04:45, 11 November 2009 (EST)

AFAIK, we never did. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:19, 11 November 2009 (EST)

Hoy. I have drafted lots of yammering. It could probably be stronger delineated between the policy (first section) and a meta-outline of data gathered (second) and noted (third). Have at it. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:15, 11 November 2009 (EST)
:You forgot to mention the CheckUser extension, which can be used to check if multiple accounts have been created using a single IP address. --[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 08:32, 11 November 2009 (EST)

==Nuke it==

This privacy policy accomplishes nothing. I say we nuke it and start over.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 12:34, 31 March 2010 (EDT)
:Anyone? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:23, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
::I had the same problem getting anyone interested in the privacy policy back then, which I think is why Derik probably just wrote that one and stuck it up there. I would like to see it replaced with something better, but I'd rather we created that something better before nuking the existing one. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:07, 1 April 2010 (EDT)
:::I think the current one is SO bad as to be worse than useless. We shouldn't be using this space to pontificate about the lack of online privacy. In this case, I think having a bad privacy policy is a LOT worse for us than having NO privacy policy.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 18:14, 1 April 2010 (EDT)

== Note about unofficial status ==

"The following site privacy statement is a draft. It has not yet(Nov-11-09) been formally approved." That date is ''ten and a half years ago''. The last comment before this on the discussion page is over nine years old. Is this page still a thing, and if so, what kind? It seems like ''something'' should have happened regarding this policy proposal long ago, whether that's adoption, revision, or having [[Megatron (G1)| Megatron]] force it to [[Day of the Decepticons|fly into the sun like it's full of Autobots]].

Now, I'm not about to edit this page itself, because a) I'm a relative newbie here and this is a policy, not some character page full of typos and b) we should have some consensus before actually changing it. But what we seem to have here is more lack of awareness than consensus. so let me toss out some options and see if anyone bites:
1) Adopt as stands. Basically delete the note and call it official.
2) Delete as stands. Essentially get rid of it in some way, maybe eventually to be replaced wholesale if we feel like it.
3) Revise in some way, then adopt. Probably should discuss how to revise it.

Now, I'm (currently) profoundly apathetic about which option we choose, but when I see something that's been a work in progress in some sense for over a decade, with no discussion for nearly all that time, I'm going to pick up that dropped ball and see if anyone wants to play with it. --[[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 19:53, 23 July 2020 (EDT)

User:Waverod

2020-07-23T00:23:36Z

Waverod: Waverod/Cosmos 1 clarification

I'm just this guy, you know?

I'm STILL just this guy, you know, but I'm generally going by Waverod in the fandom, so that's in my signature. It's easier than begging an admin for a name change, which I don't know offhand if they'll even do. Note that this is NOT a separate account from Cosmos1; all edits are under this account, regardless of when they're done.

Talk:Outback (G1)

2020-07-19T19:07:52Z

Waverod: /* Snark */ new section

== POTP ==

Are his fist holes [[5 mm post]] compatible? If so, he can borrow his original toys gun. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:38, 17 June 2018 (EDT)
:[http://www.bwtf.com/toyreview-images/generations/potp/outback/rm9.jpg Yes.] [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 09:09, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

== Snark ==

"Fallback (renamed due to steakhouse reasons)". Stuff like this is why I love this wiki. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 15:07, 19 July 2020 (EDT)

Megatron Resurrected

2020-01-07T01:15:21Z

Waverod: /* Animation and technical errors */ capitalization fixes

{{episode|
|series=Energon
|ep=6
|prev=The New Cybertron City
|next=Megatron Raid
|title="Megatron Resurrected"
|japanese=復活! ガルバトロン
|romaji=Fukkatsu! Galvatron
|translation=Resurrection! Galvatron
|image=Energon MegatronResurrected titlecloseup.jpg
|caption= That decade-long nap did wonders for his complexion.
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Akira Okeya]]
|director=[[Naoki Ōhira]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.|Actas]], [[Studio A-CAT]] (3D)
|airdate=[[February 13|13 February]] [[2004]] (Japanese) [[March 6]], 2004 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''With the Autobots under pressure from constant attacks, things take a turn for the worse as Megatron returns from the dead.'''

==Synopsis==
[[File:Inferno Megatron Resurrected.jpg|left|250px|thumb]]
As [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] narrates, over the past several months, the [[Autobot]]s under the command of [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] have been on edge due to the ceaseless attacks by the [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s. As the enemy swoops down on [[Blizzard City]], Inferno's command, he believed that this time the Autobots were ready for them, Blizzard City's defensive cannons blasting the [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]] drones out of the sky. On the [[Moon (moon)|Moon]], [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] leads Terrorcons over the remains of the Autobot base where cannons appear out of the ground, swiftly destroying the drones. At [[Canyon City]], [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] uses a similar tactic to lure [[Battle Ravage]] drones into the firing line of artillery cannons embedded into canyon rock. [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] expresses frustration at the new defenses on [[Earth]] preventing their quest to secure [[energon]].

At [[Jungle City]] in the [[Amazon]], as they watch [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] [[Omnicon]]s install defense cannons into the city, [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]] congratulates [[Misha Miramond|Misha]] on coming up with the idea to use energon to power their weapons. She dejectedly responds that in truth, that idea was unintentional, as she was researching peaceful usages for energon. Kicker tries to cheer her up by explaining that their weapons are to defend themselves. As Misha mentions what a mentor [[Brian Jones|Dr. Jones]] had been to her, Kicker senses an imminent attack on their location.

Outside, Optimus Prime defends Jungle City against the first wave of Terrorcons led by the treacherous [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]. As the city explodes around them, the Omnicons are annoyed at interruptions to their important work. Misha orders the [[human]] crew to open their unfinished artillery bays and fire on the enemy. The Omnicons finally complete work, but the humans need to wait for their energon levels to rise.

Kicker lassos a Battle Ravage drone and allows it to lead him to Jungle City's energon mines and sniff out the energon, to the gratitude of the Omnicons. With their power at maximum, the defensive artillery sends [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]], [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] and the surviving Terrorcons packing. [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] and Ironhide arrives via the [[space bridge]] soon after the enemy retreat, with the younger Autobot expressing disappointment at missing out on battle.

[[File:Energon MegatronisBack.jpg|150px|thumb|left|"Galvatron is no more... behold: Megatron!" ...whaaat?]]
[[File:EnergonMegatron punishScorponok.jpg|150px|thumb|Meet my subordinates... ...General Foot and Major Fist!]]
Inside [[Unicron]], Alpha Q angrily berates Scorponok for their defeat, stating that they don't have enough energon to revive [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]], and even more for Unicron. Inside the cavern with Megatron's corpse, Cyclonus and Tidal Wave apologize to their dead leader for not securing the energon needed to revive him. Cyclonus then told Tidal Wave that they will never revive Megatron, kicking his leader's corpse. Suddenly, Megatron's voice filled the cavern, telling his former minion to stop doing that. When Tidal Wave defends Megatron, Cyclonus reminded him how badly they were always treated and that he prefers Megatron to stay this way, kicking the corpse again. And again Megatron asks Cyclonus what he just said. Scorponok enters brandishing Megatron's [[Energon Sword]], claiming that Megatron has been stealing their energon reserves and that the Terrorcon intends to rectify the problem, to the shock of Cyclonus and Tidal Wave. Megatron begins to drain energon from Unicron, prompting Scorponok to stab the spark sword into Megatron's chest, ceasing the energy flow. Suddenly, the energon drain violently restarts, and pulls the Energon Sword completely into Megatron's chest. As the other Transformers watch in awed shock, Megatron bursts out of his old body like an insect in a cocoon.

Megatron demands to know who had dared to use his power, and promises that the transgressor will pay for their disrespect. Quickly destroying Scorponok's summoned Divebomb drones, Megatron tears off the Terrorcon general's tail and proceeds to beat him into a mangled pulp. Megatron is about to deliver a killing blow when Scorponok says that his actions were at the bidding of Alpha Q. Megatron decides to spare Scorponok for now, but [[Branding|brands]] the Terrorcon with a Decepticon symbol and forces him to lead the Decepticons to Alpha Q. Alpha Q greets Megatron amicably, but soon realizes that Megatron has taken control of the Terrorcons. Alpha Q runs, with the Decepticons in pursuit, chasing him to what appears to be a dead end. As Megatron gloats, Alpha Q defiantly declares that while Megatron may have been stealing their energon, only Alpha Q had been carrying out Unicron's agenda. With that, the section Alpha Q had taken refuge in splits apart from the rest of Unicron's body, revealing itself to be the Chaos Bringer's head. Megatron can only watch as the head warps itself to destinations unknown, but quickly declares to his men that they should forget the treacherous alien and concentrate on attacking the Autobots and securing energon, despite Scorponok's advice of extreme caution.

At [[Ocean City]], Kicker demands the space bridge be opened, for radar has picked up an attack on [[Plains City]]. Despite Ironhide's assurances that Hot Shot will be able to handle it, Kicker doubts that they can deal with the new threat. At the battle of Plains City, Megatron holds the battered Scorponok as his personal shield against the Autobot defense artillery before throwing the Terrorcon commander into the water below. On the ground, Hot Shot cannot believe his optics as Megatron flies into his line of fire.

It is the next morning as reinforcements arrive at the devastated Plains City, and are greeted by a victorious Megatron. Noting their obvious surprise, Megatron tosses Hot Shot's [[stasis lock]]ed body (minus an arm) at the Autobots' feet, to the shock of Ironhide.

{{--}}
==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] (1)
* [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (3)
* [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] (6)
* [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] (7)
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (11)
* [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]] (13)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (17)

|c2=
* [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (10)
* [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] (14)
* [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (15)
* [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]] (16)

|c3=
* [[Kicker Jones]] (8)
* [[Misha Miramond]] (9)
* Jungle City scientists (12)

|c4=
* [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb]] (2)
* [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] (4)
* [[Battle Ravage]] (5)
}}

==Quotes==
"Megatron lives! Megatron lives! Megatron lives!"
:—'''Tidal Wave''' reacting to Megatron's resurrection.

"I...am...back."
:—'''Megatron''''s first words after his rebirth.

'"Who is this one... who ''dares'' to use my power? Tell me!" 
"I didn't think you'd notice. You seemed a bit...distracted." 
"You'll ''pay'' for this!"
:—'''Megatron''' demands to know who is using his spark-sword, and '''Scorponok''''s answer does nothing to help matters.

"Ha, ha, ha! I have never felt more alive! For that I thank you, Scorponok!"
:—'''Megatron''' gloats as he holds Scorponok's torn off tail.

'''Megatron:''' "I commend you on your fortitude, Scorponok. Yet did you really believe you could keep ''me'' in a ''coma''?" 
[''Megatron attempts to crush Scorponok with his heel, only for the Terrorcon leader to grab it at the last moment''] 
'''Megatron:''' "It's good to be back. So good." 
'''Cyclonus:''' "Uh, Megatron sir? Don't you think the poor guy's suffered enough already?" 
'''Megatron:''' "Don't be silly! Why, I'm just getting started!" 
[''Megatron steps down hard, breaking Scorponok's elbow and crushing it'']
:—'''Megatron''' punishes Scorponok for his treachery.

"How am I supposed to believe, Cyclonus, after you had the nerve to kick me while I was down?"
:—'''Megatron''', forgetting that he ''is'' the kinda guy to kick someone when they're down.

"Welcome to ''my'' team, Scorponok."
:—'''Megatron''' "drafts" Scorponok into the Decepticons.

"Time to test your loyalty, Scorponok: Be my shield! 
[''Megatron holds Scorponok in front of him in flight, whereupon Scorponok is repeatedly blasted by Autobot defenses''] 
"You pass! Now, out of my way!" 
[''He drops Scorponok aaaalllll the way to the ground'']
:—'''Megatron''', clearly enjoying himself.

==Notes==
===Lost in translation===
Nothing essential to the plot is lost in the dub, but quite a few changes don't make sense either within the episode or in the larger context of the series.

The issue of Megatron to Galvatron to Megatron is avoided in ''Super Link''. Megatron remained Megatron throughout all of ''Micron Densetsu'', unlike in ''Armada'', where Megatron became Galvatron when he got his new paint-job. Megatron constantly renaming himself in the English version is typically seen as a measure to retain both the "Megatron" and "Galvatron" trademarks.

====Random insertions====
* Inferno's opening narration is a dub addition. ''Super Link'' features silence instead. Likewise for most of Jetfire's banter.
* Cyclonus's observation, "We're trapped!", is dub nonsense. In ''Super Link'', he merely remarks on the barrier that protects Alpha Q.
* The dub adds some grunting from Hot Shot as Megatron tosses him around. Considering he's supposed to be unconscious, this doesn't make much sense. It is possible the grunting was added to assure the younger, more impressionable viewers that Hot Shot was still alive.

====Random changes====
[[File:Kicker Misha Romance.jpg|thumb|200px]]
[[File:Energon E06 swordcomparison.jpg|thumb|150px]]
* The dub has Kicker praising Misha for beating his dad to the punch, and Misha responding that she learned everything from him. The ''Super Link'' version of this conversation credits it as a joint venture.
* As they part before the battle, Misha says something that makes Kicker blush. In ''Super Link'', she says that she'll work hard for love, and for Kicker. The dub diminishes this to a, admittedly, much more subtle "you know how much I worry about you".
* During Megatron's resurrection, Scorponok's sword gets sucked into Megatron in ''Super Link''. In ''Energon'', it merely fades away.
* Scorponok's dismissive "I didn't think you'd notice" is more of a surprised "you knew what was happening?" in ''Super Link''.
* A ''Super Link'' bit with Megatron forcing Scorponok to address him with a ''-sama'' honorific is, naturally, changed for the dub.

====Nonsense====
* Prime's bizarre question of "I wonder why Kicker left me here alone to defend myself" is purely a dub insertion; Prime originally just comments that Kicker must have thought of something interesting.
* ''Super Link'' Alpha Q is certainly upset with Scorponok's failure, but as can be seen from the animation, he recognizes that their energon is being stolen by Megatron. The dub replaces this realization with Alpha Q telling Scorponok that he's expendable... a claim which runs strongly against what we see of Alpha Q's attitude about Scorponok in later episodes.
* In ''Super Link'', as he sees Megatron's power, Alpha Q tells Scorponok that there's a change of plans. The dub changes this to Alpha Q somehow trying to speak directly to Megatron.
* In ''Super Link'', as he prepares to flee, Alpha Q says that he's the only one who understands Unicron's structure, a preface to Alpha Q separating Unicron's head from his body. In place of this dialog, the dub continues its strange injection of Alpha Q somehow ''serving'' Unicron, by having Alpha Q claim defiantly that he is the only one who has carried out Unicron's will.
* Kicker implies that he knows about Megatron's revival before anyone on Earth ever sees him. ("Guess who just showed up!") In ''Super Link'', he merely senses that something is wrong, and that there's someone new on the scene.

===Pain count===
* "Uh?": 13
* Stock footage: 1
* We need/they want energon: 5
* It's time to: 4
* We've gotta: 1
* Aw, come on: 2
* "Gimme a break": 2

===Animation and technical errors===
* In one shot, the original pencil sketch can be partially made out behind Strongarm. [[File:Energon E06 pencilerror.jpg|thumb|"Don't look, I'm not finished yet!"]]
* When Ironhide rubs his nose, his forearm clips right through his chest.
* This is one of several early episodes where Misha is referred to as Mika ("MEEK-ah" in this episode, "MIKE-uh" in others.)
* When Optimus Prime appears at the beginning of this episode in vehicle mode, his front wheels are missing.
* Not really a glitch or mistake, but the animators cheated by having Optimus Prime's transformation into robot mode covered by an explosion.
* Prime's copter drone flies up to him without spinning its rotors.
* Kicker is very proud of himself for bringing a Terrorcon to "find the energon for us", but the energon that the Terrorcon "finds" is already exposed and visible.
* After Megatron picks Scorponok up by his head, as the camera pans down to reveal Megatron's fist hitting Scorponok's chest, Megatron's own chest is missing his Decepticon symbol.
* The speed of Alpha Q's running varies wildly.
* When Ironhide reacts to Kicker's panic of the attack on Plains City, his bicep clips through his forearm as he bends his right arm.
* The left arm Megatron uses to toss Hot Shot to the Autobots is disembodied and not connected to anything. It also immediately disappears after Hot Shot has left his hand.
* When Ironhide is leading the Terrorcons into the turrets at the beginning of the episode, he has ''Megatron's'' sword. Presumably, the animators meant to give him the Energon saber.The autobots do manage to make copies of Megatron's sword in the next episode though, so maybe the animators got confused.

===Continuity errors===
* After transforming, Optimus Prime turns to his trailer, which then tips over to launch his [[Prime Force]] drones. For some reason Optimus Prime's order for them to deploy is not dubbed in.
* When Optimus Prime combines with his drones into Super Mode, actor Garry Chalk does not have enough time to order Submarine Four to combine before the footage cuts to the next segment of the stock footage.
* It is not clear why Alpha Quintesson claims they were to resurrect Megatron, yet sent Scorponok to eliminate him. Then again, Alpha Quintesson ''is'' a few bots short of a [[Special Teams|Special Team]].
* It is unclear why Optimus Prime's reinforcements took so long to reach Plains City.
* The various Skyblasts in this episode have different voices. Previously, they all had the same voice.
*At one point Cyclonus described Alpha-Q to Megatron, then in the next scene after Megatron bursts into Alpha-Q's chamber Cyclonus says "What is that thing!?"
* How do cannons on both sides of a canyon manage to avoid destroying each other?
* The gun turrets are normally shown as regularly spaced. When it's time for them to shoot at Tidal Wave and Scorponok, however, they're suddenly scattered randomly across the rock wall, coincidentally with gaps ''exactly'' the size of Scorponok and Tidal Wave in the battery.
* All the gun turrets in the episode are shown as having their front end facing in whatever direction they're expected to shoot...Except the battery which fires at Tidal Wave and Demolishor, which are for some reason turned 90 degrees so they have to aim their guns straight up just to fire into the canyon.

===Transformers references===
[[File:Unicron Head Energon.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*When Alpha Quintesson escapes from Megatron, Unicron's head detaches from his body, a visual homage to Unicron's destruction in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the 1986 ''Transformers'' animated movie]].

===Real-world references===
* Cyclonus reacts to Megatron's reactivation much like a B-movie mad scientist bringing a monster to life.

===Trivia===
[[File:Scorponok Face.jpg|thumb|200px]]
*When Jungle City's defense cannons reveal themselves, Tidal Wave reacts with a comical anime giant sweatdrop, one of the few times the Unicron Trilogy series used traditional anime visual gags.
*This is one of the few times we see anything akin to the actual creation of Terrorcons, as they fly out of some glowy light nodes within Unicron to attack Megatron.
*A bit of a hindsight observation, but Megatron sheds his old body like a caterpillar that has reached its chrysalis form and is now grown into a butterfly. Makes for a bit of a visual pun, as he was a caterpillar tank whose body hardened into a lifeless shell once he perished, went dormant for a while, then crumbled away, and he reemerged upgraded to a brand new alt mode that has wings.
*Apparently, Transformers can bruise. Megatron gives Scorponok swollen chipmunk cheeks as he curb-stomps the living daylights out of him.
*This is one of the few times we see Alpha Q actually moving around instead of remaining plugged into Unicron when he's sent running scared by Megatron, and proves it's a bit hard for him to fend for himself. His means of locomotion is a set of cable-like clawed appendages that scuttle around in a circle.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 2: The Return of Megatron ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 2: The Return of Megatron (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 2: The Return of Megatron (Paramount)
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2004 — ''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 002 ([[Interchannel]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 2: The Return of Megatron (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 2: The Return of Megatron (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 2: The Return of Megatron (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Ultimate Collection (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Energon episodes]]

Megatron's Sword

2020-01-07T01:04:10Z

Waverod: /* Animation and technical errors */ replaced "to" with syntactically correct "of"

{{disambig2|the ''Energon'' episode|the weapon sometimes called "Megatron's sword"|Energon Sword}}

{{episode|
|series=Energon
|ep=4
|prev=Scorpinok (episode)
|next=The New Cybertron City
|title="Megatron's Sword"
|japanese=メガトロンの証
|romaji=Megatron no Akashi
|translation=Proof of Megatron
|image=Energon Megatron'sSword.JPG
|caption=Not your father's {{w|Excalibur}}
|production code=
|production company=[[TV Tokyo]], [[Nihon Ad Systems|NAS]]
|writer=[[Shōji Tonoike]]
|director=[[Tadao Ōkubo]]
|animation studio=[[Actas Inc.|Actas]], [[Studio A-CAT]] (3D)
|airdate=[[January 30|30 January]] [[2004]] (Japanese) [[February 21]], 2004 (English)
|continuity=[[Unicron Trilogy]]
}}

'''The survivors on Mars are attacked again, but the Autobots must turn their attention elsewhere.'''

==Synopsis==
[[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] can feel the newly captured [[energon]] reviving the form of his master, [[Unicron]]. But it's not fast enough, due to the [[Autobot]]s' interference. Alpha Q plots their destruction, by re-energizing the inert form of [[Megatron (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. This, of course, requires energon.

In a practice session, [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] aren't having much luck in [[Powerlinx]]ing, as Ironhide can't seem to properly synchronize his breathing with Jetfire. Jetfire leaves in a huff, but Ironhide seems to have a revelation.

[[File:E4 Tidal Wave.jpg|thumb|left|200px]]
A comet-thing approaches [[Mars (planet)|Mars]]. At the battered [[Mars City]] base, a group of [[Transformer]]s have found a new energon source, and [[radio]]ed the Autobots for backup. They nervously await a response.

[[Brian Jones|Dr. Jones]] radios the discovery to [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Prime]] and asks for backup. Prime wants to evacuate Mars City completely, because the mining operations can't happen there without the [[Omnicon]]s. Ironhide jumps at the chance to go on the mission.

Two Transformers approach Mars City without identifying themselves. The Transformers there prepare to defend themselves. The Transformers turn out to be Decepticons, including [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]], who presents himself as a friend... till he confirms that there is energon on the planet. Hordes of [[Terrorcon (Energon)|Terrorcon]]s attack. Tidal Wave attacks and blasts into the mine. The [[Energon Saber|Energon Saber Mini-Con team]] makes their escape from the mine, into a sky filled with Terrorcons.

The Autobots are about to deploy from [[Ocean City]], but Prime suddenly hesitates to leave the city, anticipating an attack in their absence. He calls off the mission, to Ironhide and [[Kicker Jones|Kicker]]'s frustration. Kicker waits for the attack to come; suddenly a [[space bridge]] opens, and a squad of [[Omnicon]]s arrives, along with [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]]. [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] greets his old comrade. Cyclonus scuffles a bit with him, however, taunting him that he's forgotten how to fight, and telling him that "[[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]]'s been reactivated" and will lead the Decepticons to new glory. The Energon Saber team arrives as well, reporting the situation on Mars.

[[File:Energon AlphaQ with Megatron'sSword.JPG|thumb|left|200px|Star Saber or Light Saber? You decide.]]

The comet-ship-thing returns to Unicron, and Alpha Q delivers a reward to Scorponok: Megatron's mighty sword, the [[Energon Sword|Star Saber]], pulled from his very carcass.

Like the Energon Saber Mini-Con team, Ironhide and Kicker are restless, wanting to go help out on Mars. Meanwhile, a Terrorcon shows up at another [[Earth]] city, and the Transformers stationed there prepare for attack. Prime's team prepares to move out; Prime refuses to allow Demolishor and Cyclonus to tag along, but they head off on their own anyway.

Scorponok and Tidal Wave lead the Terrorcons against the city; Cyclonus and Demolishor arrive and find themselves facing off against their old comrade. Prime's team arrives. Prime sends Hot Shot to draw the Terrorcons away, and Ironhide to help out any civilians left in the city.

[[File:Demolishor MegSword.jpg|thumb|200px]]
As Tidal Wave argues and fights with Cyclonus, Scorponok unleashes the sword's power. Ironhide and Kicker contemplate violating their orders; Kicker notes that he doesn't sense anyone in the city, meaning that everyone got out. Upon seeing the sword, Prime wonders if Megatron could still be alive, while Demolishor and Cyclonus have panic attacks on hearing that, and Tidal Wave declares that with energon, they can resurrect him. It's unproven, circumstantial, and something any reasonable mind can reject—which is probably why Cyclonus decides to switch sides, but Demolishor isn't so sure, and is left confused and hesitant.

The Energon Saber team combines and offers themselves to Kicker as a weapon/hoverboard. Ironhide manages to Powerlinx successfully with Jetfire; Kicker gives him the sword, and they manage to save Prime from Scorponok. Demolishor stares at the sword in further confusion. Prime and Ironhide double-team Scorponok, who retreats before they can do any damage. Scorponok leads his troops away, and Cyclonus follows.

Demolishor is left full of doubts. Prime thanks Ironhide for the save, and reassures him that despite the day's tragedies, he did well.
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==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
* [[Ironhide (Energon)|Ironhide]] (2)
* [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] (3)
* [[Optimus Prime (Armada)/Cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] (7)
* [[Hot Shot (Armada)|Hot Shot]] (11)
* [[Inferno (Energon)|Inferno]] (12)
* [[Skyblast (Energon)|Skyblast]] (19)
* [[Strongarm (Energon)|Strongarm]] (20)

|c2=
* [[Tidal Wave (Armada)|Tidal Wave]] (13)
* [[Demolishor (Armada)|Demolishor]] (17)
* [[Cyclonus (Armada)|Cyclonus]] (21)

|c3=
* [[Rad White]] (8)
* [[Brian Jones]] (9)
* [[Kicker Jones]] (10)

|c4=
* [[Alpha Quintesson|Alpha Q]] (1)
* [[Scattor (Energon)|Scattor]] (4)
* [[Skyboom (Energon)|Skyboom]] (5)
* [[Wreckage (Energon)|Wreckage]] (6)
* [[Battle Ravage|Battle Ravage drones]] (14)
* [[Divebomb (Energon)|Divebomb drones]] (15)
* [[Scorponok (Energon)|Scorponok]] (16)
* [[Grindor (Armada)|Grindor]] (18)
* [[High Wire (Armada)|High Wire]] (22)
}}

==Quotes==
"Look. The energon flows through him. Perhaps we can ''use'' him!"'
:—'''Alpha Q''' hasn't thought this whole reviving-Megatron thing through very well.

"Yes, Optimus. There is still some energon at Mars City. We thought that it had been completely decimated but a hidden reserve was discovered by a squadron of Mini-Cons. I was hoping you could send a support team there to investigate." 
"There are Mini-Cons at Mars City?"
:—'''Dr. Jones''', who doesn't know what "decimated" means and can't keep track of current events, and '''Optimus Prime''', who can't keep track of his own troops.

"Mars City?! I'm in! I know I can teach those rookies a thing or two. You gotta let me lead the mission, sir!"
:—'''Ironhide''' is a victim of bad dubbing

"Huh? Where are those Autobots go."
:—'''Demolishor''' speak pretty one day.

"You chump! Scorponok wants you to believe Megatron is still alive to ''use'' you!" 
"But I have proof!" 
"Oh yeah? Well let's see it then!" 
"Not now. Later." 
"I ''knew'' you'd say that! Heheheahahahaha!"
:—'''Cyclonus''' reasons with '''Tidal Wave'''. Now ''there's'' a true battle of the wits.

'''Demolishor''': "Megatron's still alive?!" 
'''Cyclonus''': "What do mean he's still alive?! He can't be! Can he?" 
'''Tidal Wave''': "We need energon for his resurrection." 
'''Cyclonus''': "No problemo! HAHAHAHA!" 
:—'''Cyclonus''' defects in his own unique way.

"Kicker. Help me. I don't know what I am anymore!"
:—'''Demolishor''''s self-doubt begins to grow.

==Notes==
===Lost in translation===
*Jetfire claims that Ironhide needs to "synchronize his breathing" in order for them to combine. Err, right. In the original version, he talked about feeling the pulse of his [[Spark of Combination]].
*The dub presents the Autobots manning Mars City as Mini-Cons, when in actuality, they're ''Optimus Prime's own team of trainees'', as seen in the [[Cybertron City (episode)|first episode]] of the series. ''This'' is why Ironhide is so determined to accompany Prime's team to Mars (to save his old friends), and why Prime and he share an emotional moment at the end of the episode (because they fail to save them).
* In ''Super Link'', when Cyclonus arrives, Demolishor tells him a rumor that Megatron has revived; Cyclonus is skeptical, and they both think Tidal Wave is an idiot for going along with it. In ''Energon'', Cyclonus tells Demolishor a rumor that ''Scorponok'' has been revived, despite the fact that neither of them have ever met Scorponok before.
* In ''Super Link'', the sword was made ''from'' Megatron and infused with his [[spark]]. ''Energon'' mangled this into the sword having belonged to Megatron.
*In one of the more famous ''Energon'' dub gaffes, Alpha Q claims that the Megatron Sword is the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], which makes absolutely no sense.
* Ironhide speculates that "there could still be Mini-Cons on Mars who need our help!" Well, yes, there's a whole ''city'' of them.
*When Ironhide and Jetfire finally Powerlinx together, they refer to it as Superlinking.
* The entire point of this episode, which is that the surviving Transformers on Mars are possibly getting wiped out, is pretty much glossed over. Can't have a bunch of guys getting killed in a kids' show!

===Pain count===
* "Uh?": 3
* Stock footage: 3
* We need/they want energon: 6
* We've gotta: 4
* Let's do it: 1

===Animation and technical errors===
* In ''Energon'' at 7mins when Jetfire and Ironhide go outside the base to help the Mini-Cons, as they run, the background of the main tower doesn't move. It does in ''Superlink''
* In ''Energon'' at 13m25s when the Terrorcons begin bombarding the stone city fortress, the music track switches. This is because in ''Superlink'', there was no music before the attack commenced.
* In ''Energon'' at 13m30s Scorponok gives Tidal Wave an order, the camera then zoom-pans-in on Tidal Wave while a crudely animated nutcracker style mouth says "EN-ER-GOOONN". Scorponok then transforms out of the shot. Tidal Wave's mouth moving is a dub-only addition as is Scorponok transforming. In ''Superlink'', Tidal Wave drops down out of the shot and the camera zoom-pans-in on Scorponok, who then does not transform, which makes sense, since he is next seen still in Robot mode.
* In ''Energon'' at 15m30s when Scorponok first uses the Megatron Sword against Hot Shot a red shape is shown instead of the completed flame effect seen in ''Superlink''. Later at 19mins when Scorponok destroys Optimus Prime's [[Prime Force]] drone units with a sweep of the Megatron Sword, red circles appear, instead of the properly animated explosions seen in ''Superlink''. Also, in this shot Optimus and Scorponok are hovering in mid-air. In ''Superlink'' a foreground painting of the bridge covers up this error so it looks like then are standing & sitting on the bridge.
* The animation of the ending battle sequence is amazingly unclear.

===Continuity errors===
*The fact that Mars City was previously a smoking bomb crater, with no detected life signs, is completely forgotten in this episode. Instead, Dr. Jones reports to Prime that an energon source has been discovered there, rather than the more crucial fact that there were survivors of the first attack.
* Why at this point would Demolishor know or care who Scorponok is?
* Skyboom is called "Sonar" by Optimus—perhaps not so surprising since Skyboom's toy is a retool of Sonar.
* Cyclonus was last seen guarding the moon base before it was attacked and destroyed in "[[Cybertron City (episode)|Cybertron City]]". So... where's he ''been'' all this time?. And why were there Omnicons with him when he came back?
* All the characters recognise the sword as Megatron's, when he ''never used it before''. This manages to make even ''less'' sense in the Japanese version, where the sword was explicitly created anew by Alpha Q.

===Trivia===
* More spiffy generics in this one, both in Mars City and in the unnamed [[Plains City]]. One of the Mars group is totally wearing a trash can lid on his head. With some slight modification, this same character model would later be recycled as [[Padlock (Energon)|Padlock]], the only distinguishing factor between the two of them being that Padlock lacks a mouth.
*Everybody makes a big deal about not touching Megatron's sword for some reason.

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon ([[Paramount Pictures|Paramount]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount)
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2004 — ''Transformer: Super Link'' — Volume 001 ([[Interchannel]]) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2004 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2005 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — Volume 1: The Battle for Energon (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2008 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Ultimate Collection (Paramount) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''Transformers: Energon'' — The Complete Series ([[Shout! Factory]])

[[Category:Energon episodes]]

Transformer

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Waverod: /* Physical construction */ "other Transformer" should be plural

{{disambig3.5|the living alien robots|the brand in which they appear and are sold as toys|Transformers brand|Transformers}}
[[File:Bumblebeeg1.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|[[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], a Transformer, transforming. Savvy?]]
The '''Transformers''' are a species of {{w|Sentience|sentient}}, living robotic beings (mostly) originating from the distant machine world of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. The stories of their lives, their histories, and most especially their wars have been chronicled across many different [[Continuity|continuities]] in the vast [[multiverse]].

The designation "Transformer" stems from the species' generally-shared ability to ''[[Transformation|transform]]'', to change their bodies at will, rearranging their component parts from a robotic primary mode (usually, but not always, humanoid) into an alternate form; generally vehicles, weapons, machinery, or animals. In some continuities this ability to transform is innate to all members of the species, in others it was a wartime innovation that was adopted by most, but not all, of the populace.

While this species is commonly known throughout the galaxy as "Transformers", the technical term for these beings is '''Cybertronians''', which they generally use to refer to themselves. Other, less-frequently used terms to refer to beings from Cybertron include '''Cybertronic''' or simply '''Cybertron'''.

{{bigquote|Many [[MYA|millions of years ago]], on the planet Cybertron, life existed. But not life as we know it today. Intelligent robots that could think and feel inhabited the cities.|[[Victor Caroli|A voice]] from beyond|"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 1]]"}}

==Origins==
{{quote|Just how exactly did these towering marvels of technology become living, sentient beings with the ability to transform their appearance to adapt to their environment? Two words: WHO CARES?"|''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' story bible}}

The many origin stories of the Transformers—why and how these shapechanging robots became the way they are—has been explored across a wide variety of mediums. As is the case for just about every ''Transformers'' story, many of the details of these tales are mutually irreconcilable with one another.

The three most prominent origins for the Transformer race are as follows:

===The Quintessons===
: ''See also: [[Quintesson]]''
[[File:Ffod4 production line.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|1984 cartoon]] established that the Autobots and Decepticons began as two different product lines of robotic slaves, only developing civilization after overthrowing their cruel [[Quintesson]] creators.]]
{{quote|What the Quintessons failed to grasp was that their robots had developed emotions. That we knew and felt the difference between freedom and slavery. And that oversight sealed their fate.|[[Prime Nova]]|"[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]"}}

The malevolent aliens known as the [[Quintesson]]s first appeared in [[The Transformers: The Movie|the 1986 animated film]], but it would not be until the third season of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the 1984 ''Transformers'']] cartoon that would explain their role in the history of Cybertron. In "[[Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4]]," [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] experienced a vision of the past and learned that Cybertron had once been a planet-sized factory overseen by the aliens: the ancestors of the Autobots were designed as "consumer goods," and the Decepticons began as "military hardware". In time, however, the Quintessons' robotic creations would gain sentience and overthrow their masters in a rebellion before driving them off-planet, later inventing [[transformation]] when those military robots went rogue and made war against their proto-Autobot brethren.

Although well-known because of the cartoon's prominence, it has been given relatively little attention in subsequent media; with the rise of the Primus origin story, subsequent works of fiction have largely reduced the Quintessons to merely ''interfering'' with the natural development of the Transformers, as seen in [[3H Productions|3H]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Wreckers|Wreckers]]'' comics and the [[Aligned continuity family]].

''[[Transformers vs. G.I. Joe]]'' would offer a variation on the Quintesson origin story, depicting the aliens as fifth-dimensional beings who had created the living planet known as "[[Daiakuron]]", which itself would go on to spawn [[Primus]] and the Transformer race.

More recently, the fourth instalment of the [[live-action film series]], ''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]'', would reveal that the Transformers of ''that'' universe had also been created by some other alien race. It is, however, unclear if the mysterious, organic aliens known only as the "[[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s" ''are'' this universe's version of the Quintessons, and what, if any, connection they possess to the equally enigmatic mechanoid who calls herself "[[Quintessa (TLK)|Quintessa]]".
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===Primus===
: ''See also: [[Primus]], [[Unicron]], [[Thirteen]], [[Well of All Sparks]]''
[[File:Prima.jpg|thumb|right|250px|[[Prima]] was the first Transformer to be created by Primus, and would later be reimagined as the leader of the mighty group of Transformers known as the [[Thirteen]].]]

{{quote|They '''were''' the dream--mechanical beings able to transform their bodies into vehicles, machinery and weapons; a last line of defense against the chaos bringer, '''Unicron'''!|[[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|''The Transformers'' comic]] introductory blurb}}

Independent of the cartoon's Quintesson origin, writer [[Simon Furman]] came up with his own origin for the Transformers. As first detailed in the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)#Marvel UK|Marvel UK]] comic, the Cybertronians of that universe had been created by their god, the benevolent [[Primus]], as proxies to carry on the battle with his villainous opposite: the dreaded chaos-bringer known as [[Unicron]]. This origin story was eventually folded into the American books when Furman took over from US author [[Bob Budiansky]], overwriting the earlier "[[atechnogenesis]]" theory. From there, the tale would undergo various permutations in various pieces of ancillary media before settling on a widely-accepted version of events, establishing that Primus himself, like Unicron, could transform from a robot into a planet; unlike Unicron, however, Primus transformed into [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] itself.

The first Transformer that Primus created was dubbed [[Prima]], bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], and later stories set in other universes would take this concept and run with it. Future works would establish that the very first group of Transformers to be created, of which Prima was traditionally a part, would become known as the "[[Thirteen]]," demigod-like figures of enormous power, and who themselves would go on to play a major role in the overarcing ''Transformers'' mythos in their own right. The [[Unicron Trilogy]] was the first cartoon to incorporate the Primus and Unicron origin into its storyline, as would several [[Fun Publications]]-exclusive stories, and for many years this was widely accepted to be "the definitive" Transformer origin story.

Note, however, that not ''all'' modern continuities adhere to this strict interpretation of events; notably, the original [[2005 IDW continuity]] would establish a [[Rung (G1)|very different interpretation of Primus]], while that continuity's version of [[Unicron/Generation 1#2005 IDW continuity|Unicron]] was entirely unconnected to Primus.

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===The AllSpark===
:''See also: [[AllSpark]], [[AllSpark Mutation]], [[Energon radiation]]
[[File:Defiance4 allspark creates primes.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The [[AllSpark]], a mysterious relic capable of granting life to the Transformer race, has featured prominently in some more recent ''Transformers'' stories.]]
{{quote|Before time began, there was the Cube. We know not where it comes from, only that it holds the power to create worlds and fill them with life. That is how our race was born.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]''}}

The very earliest drafts of the 2007 ''[[Transformers (film)|Transformers]]'' movie originally had the Autobots and Decepticons come to [[Earth]] in search of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]; for one reason or another, this relic was later reworked into a new artifact, a life-giving cube that was first deemed "the Energon Cube," and then hastily redubbed into "The AllSpark," evidently co-opting the name from ''Beast Machines'' and its description of the [[Transformer afterlife]].

The first ''Transformers'' movie depicted the AllSpark as the sole creator of the Transformers; a powerful, semi-sentient object of unknown manufacture, this artifact was responsible of energizing the [[living metal]] of Cybertron with [[Spark]]s and creating the first generation of Transformers. When loosed on Earth, AllSpark energy was capable of spontaneously imbuing [[human]] machinery with Transformer life, creating "[[AllSpark Mutation]]s" from mundane vehicles or appliances. As part of Hasbro's attempts at brand synergy, the AllSpark would also feature in that year's ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' cartoon, with more-or-less the same backstory, treating the mysterious object as the creator of the Cybertronian species, with individual fragments of the AllSpark displaying the power to bring new Transformers online from whatever inanimate objects happened to be in the vicinity. The concept would be folded into the "Primus" origin in the "Aligned" continuity family, which established the Allspark as the divine mechanism Primus created to generate new sparks. Almost a decade later, 2018's ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' cartoon would once more establish the AllSpark as the mysterious, and seemingly sole, progenitor of Cybertronian life.

Recent developments in the live-action series continuity family—most notably the introduction of the enigmatic "[[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s"—have offered a possible insight into the ''true'' origin of the live-action version of the AllSpark, but no concrete information has yet surfaced.
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===Other origins===
[[File:Pulleys.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The theory of atechnogenesis proposes the Transformer race evolved naturally, rather than being created by an external force.]]
; Atechnogenesis
The very first origin ever put forth for the Transformers established that the Transformers had evolved through [[atechnogenesis]], a mechanical parallel to the Darwinian evolution of life on Earth and arising from the interaction between "naturally occurring gears, levers and pulleys" on the surface of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. This questionable theory was given in the [[The Transformers (issue)|very first ''Transformers'' comic ever produced]] and was quickly forgotten, though the concept occasionally crops up as an in-universe "atheist" viewpoint to contrast against more spiritual perspectives. A more serious take on the concept was published in a [[A Birth of Planet Saybertron|Japanese-exclusive manga]].
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[[File:CybertronFossil.jpg|thumb|right|250px|''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'' suggested that Cybertron was once home to organic creatures, long-since extinct.]]

; Migration
Several installments of the Generation 1 continuity — most notably ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', but also ''[[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]'' — revealed that, long ago, the metallic world of Cybertron was once a verdant, Earthlike planet. The first episode of ''Beast Machines'' had [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] muse that the first Transformers "came to Cybertron," and subsequently learned to transform—an event that evidently coincided with the extinction of Cybertron's natural biosphere. The [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Japanese continuity]] would reconcile the basics of this premise with the cartoon's Quintesson origin, but no American media has ever expounded on Primal's words or their significance.
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[[File:SpotlightNightbeat GorlamPrimeUpgrading.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The [[Gorlamite]]s were once organic beings that came to adopt robotic forms.]]

; Biomechanical evolution
{{quote|The origins of our '''own''' planet are lost in the distant mists of time. Perhaps, once upon a time... '''Cybertron''' was something like '''this'''.|[[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]]|[[Spotlight: Nightbeat]]}}
In the [[2005 IDW continuity]], the world of [[Gorlam Prime]] was a planet whose [[Gorlamite|humanoid inhabitants]] developed a culture of cybernetic implants, rapidly shedding their biological forms to become a Transformer-like race and eventually rebuilding their planet into a metallic world and rechristening it "Cybertron". On a visit to Gorlam Prime during the earliest stages of this evolution, [[Nightbeat (G1)|Nightbeat]] idly wondered if Cybertron and its inhabitants had once passed through a similar phase. To date, no continuity has ever established this "biomechanical evolution" as a proven origin for the Transformer race, but a similar process is how the Transformers' sister race, the [[GoBots]] of [[Gobotron]], came to be.
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[[File:GoBots5-anheir.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The conclusion of Tom Scioli's ''Go-Bots'' series implied that the Cybertronian race was descended from a civilization of spacefaring Go-Bots.]]

; Go-Bots
{{quote|Go-Bots! Transform and roll out!|[[Road Ranger]]|{{gb|Go-Bots issue 5|''Go-Bots'' #5}}}}
The long-dormant ''[[GoBots]]'' property, a one-time rival to the Transformers brand, was unexpectedly revived in late 2018 by writer and artist [[Tom Scioli]] for a [[Go-Bots (comic)|5-issue miniseries]]. Though the miniseries was, for the most part, an affectionate pastiche of various sci-fi concepts unrelated to the ''Transformers'' brand, and, indeed, most prior iterations of the Go-Bots—''{{w|Terminator}}'', ''{{w|Planet of the Apes}}'', and so on—the comic ended with a peaceful Gobotron sailing through space as Go-Bot leader [[Road Ranger]] announced his intention to seed the multiverse with a panoply of [[Cybertron (planet)|mechanical worlds]]. In the meantime, he worked to construct an "optimized" version of himself, a mechanical "heir" that, while not seen, is heavily implied to be [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]; [[Bug Bite (GoBots)|Bug Bite]] considered building a similar [[Bumblebee (G1)|copy of himself]], and [[Cy-Kill (G1)|Cy-Kill]] and [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|Leader-1]]'s remains were amalgamated into a [[Starscream (G1)|new jet-bot]]. For a variety of reasons, it's very unlikely that any future ''Transformers'' story will touch upon this origin.
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==Transformer biology==
===Physiology and variance in form===
: ''See also: [[Robot mode]], [[alternate mode]], [[scale]]''

[[File:G1Misfire boxart.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Most Transformers are essentially humanoid...]]

{{quote|I take great pleasure, and indeed pride, in noting how varied we are throughout the cosmos and beyond. [[Noble (BM)|Organic Cybertronians]], [[Micromaster Combiner|modular Cybertronians]], [[Titan Master|Cybertronians]] [[binary bonding|binary-bonded]] to [[Overload (Armada)|other Cybertronians]], [[Headmaster (technology)|Cybertronians binary-bonded to organic life]], [[Pretender|Cybertronians with organic shells]], [[Combiner|Cybertronians who combine their sparks with other Cybertronians]], [[Duocon|Cybertronians who can split their sparks in twain]], [[Titan (group)|Cybertronians who become cities]], or [[Insecticon (WFC)|insects]], or [[Cosmos (G1)|starships]], or even [[Primus|planets]]... it makes my spark pulse brighter.|[[Vector Prime]]|[[Ask Vector Prime|Ask Vector Prime, 5/26/2015]]}}

The vast majority of Transformers are built along a humanoid frame, generally referred to as their "[[robot mode]]:" two arms, two legs, a torso, and one head. This isn't to say that all Transformers are human''like'', however: some have unconventional limbs, their hands (or whole arm) replaced with tools, claws, weapons, or some other form of manipulator (like a [[beast mode]]'s head). Though most Transformers possess a pair of humanlike legs, some Transformers have opted for more exotic forms of locomotion; a Transformer might possess digitigrade legs, wheels or tractor treads instead of feet, or no discernible legs at all, floating on antigravity. Some Transformers have more or less than the normal number of limbs altogether, such as the six-armed [[Octus (G1)|Octus]]. Transformers' faces run the gamut of design, from looking like a metal human in a helmet, to characters like [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] or [[Whirl (G1)|Whirl]], whose faces consist of little more than a single glowing eye, or more animalistic designs such as [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]].

[[File:ROTF Wheelbot concept art.jpg|thumb|left|250px|...but many are not.]]

While humanoid forms are the norm, they are certainly not the ''rule'', and it is not at all uncommon for a Transformer to possess a primary mode based on an animal or vehicle—for instance, [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]], [[Grand Slam (G1)|Grand Slam]] and [[Raindance]], who transform from cassette tapes into a panther, a tank, and a jet, respectively. We consider these to be their "robot modes;" while they are definitely inhuman, they are at least capable of independent movement.

Transformers are ''generally'' large in comparison to Earth lifeforms; the average Transformer stands roughly four times the height of a human, depending on its size and shape. However, great variances in form are common; some Transformers, like the [[Mini-Con]]s, [[Micromaster]]s, [[Maximal]]s, or [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, are approximately human sized. Still others, such as the [[Real Gear Robot]]s or the [[Transformers: BotBots|BotBots]], are small enough to fit in a human's palm.

On the other end of the scale, some Transformers are large enough to dwarf other Cybertronians. The colossal city-bots known as [[Titan (group)|Titan]]s are one such faction, transforming into entire cities for smaller Transformers to inhabit. Particularly large Transformers, like [[Unicron]] and [[Primus]], might transform into entire planets. In the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' series, the planet [[Gigantion]] is populated by both extremes: robots who tower over "normal"-sized Transformers, aided by their tiny Mini-Con partners. For the most part, however, the "average" Transformer ranges from about 15 to 40 feet in height.
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===Physical construction===
:''See also: [[Living metal]], [[Transformation cog]], [[Brain module]], [[:Category:Transformer anatomy|Transformer anatomy]]''

[[File:BlitzwingDissectionDreamwave.jpg|thumb|right|200px|Transformer anatomy is made up of several different mechanical parts, each of which serves an important function.]]

{{quote|You're a motorcycle, Arcee. Shouldn't you know how to build a motorcycle engine?}}
{{quote|You're a human, Jack. Can you build me a small intestine?|[[Jack Darby]] and [[Arcee (WFC)|Arcee]]|"[[Masters & Students]]"}}

Though their metal bodies were shown to be easily built by other Transformers from conventional materials, even the very earliest stories in the franchise showed that Transformers could feel pleasurable and painful sensations—physically "alive" in body, not just mind. This "[[living metal]]" was described as having a cellular structure in the [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Victory (cartoon)|''Victory'' cartoon]], a fact independently reiterated by the the Marvel [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|''Generation 2'' comic books]], which also established that Transformers possessed "genetic material" (useful when [[Reproduction|"budding"]]). It was the Marvel comic which first introduced the idea that the Transformers originally emerged from the very fabric of the planet Cybertron itself, an idea that has become the dominant "origin" story for the species in modern media, and the means by which new Transfomers come into being even in the present day. Following its introduction in the [[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|''Beast Wars'' cartoon]], the first stage of Transformer life, prior to taking on an alternate mode, has come to usually be depicted as the raw, featureless "[[protoform]]". As living matter, Transformers' bodies are even capable of being ravaged by [[:Category:Diseases|disease]].

Being mechanical creatures, Transformers possess a number of distinct parts that make up their anatomy; some are largely analogous to human components, but many others serve exotic purposes: complex fuel reactors and ammunition storage are among them. Significant components include the the [[transformation cog]], which controls a Cybertronian's ability to change shape, and the [[brain module]] and/or [[personality component]], which houses a Transformer's mind and controls the functions of the body.

===Transformation===
:''See also: [[Transformation]], [[Transformation cog]], [[Scanning]], [[Action Master]], [[Monoformer]]

[[File:TarnAltMode.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Most Transformers are capable of changing between two or more different forms at will.]]

{{quote|Why do you transform into cars and things?}}
{{quote|Simple. Disguise! Besides, it sure beats walking.|[[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]]|"[[More than Meets the Eye, Part 2]]"}}

The eponymous, and most iconic, component of the ''Transformers'' franchise is, of course, their characteristic ability to [[transformation|transform]] from one shape to the other—in most cases, this involves changing from a humanoid [[robot mode]] into an [[alternate mode]]; this alternate mode is usually some kind of vehicle or creature, but Transformers across the multiverse have assumed unconventional forms: [[Metroplex (G1)|buildings]], [[Botanica (BM)|plants]], [[Ejector|household appliances]], or even [[Sprinkleberry D'uhnut|human food]].

Early stories depicted this ability as something that the Transformer race as a whole was not created with; it was either a wartime innovation designed to disguise themselves from their opponents, or an unexpected side effect as a result of their rebuilding at the hands of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' on [[Earth]]. However, it would not take long for this ability to be cemented as a natural extension of Cybertronian biology; later stories would, for the most part, establish that Transformers are born with a functioning alternate mode, or at least the ability to assume one.

Modern ''Transformers'' fiction has established that the complex mechanical "organ" known as the [[transformation cog]], or T-cog, allows a Cybertronian to transform; most Transformers in contemporary fiction can change their alternate modes at will (e.g., changing their Cybertronian vehicle mode into a suitable Earth disguise) through a process known as [[scanning]]. Some Cybertronians possess unique forms of transformation: they may have the ability to [[Jumpstarter|transform much faster than "regular" Transformers]] or the ability to assume [[Triple Changer|multiple alternate modes]], for instance.

In rare instances, Transformers may ''lose'' the ability to transform over their lifetimes; the [[Marvel Comics continuity]] depicted this as a symptom of inducing mutagenic [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]] as a fuel source, sacrificing transformation for enhanced durability and power, while in the [[2005 IDW continuity]] the decision to give up one's alternate mode was a religious choice which involved voluntarily removing the [[Transformation cog]].

===Sparks===
{{main|Spark}}

[[File:The Spark Rhinox spark.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The presence of an animating spark is what separates most Transformers from simple robots.]]

{{quote|We call it a 'Spark'. It contains our life force and our memories.}}
{{quote|Yeah, we call that a 'soul'.|[[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Cade Yeager]]|''[[Transformers: Age of Extinction (film)|Age of Extinction]]''}}

Though their bodies and minds are robotic in nature, Transformers are not mere automatons: most Cybertronian lifeforms are living, sentient, emotional, and fully-intelligent beings. This animating, semi-mystical "life-force" that sets them apart from simple machines is traditionally referred to as the [[spark]], a specially charged mass of {{w|positron}}s that resides in, and energizes, their mechanical frames. Though concept was first introduced in the ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' animated series, it has gone on to inform every incarnation of the Transformers franchise, and has even been retroactively applied to the earliest Generation 1 continuities. A spark can be thought of as the "soul" of the Transformer; a Cybertronian life effectively begins with the ignition of a new spark, and ends when that spark is extinguished.

The spark's relationship to the rest of the Transformer is somewhat nebulous and varies aross continuities. In some stories, a spark ''is'' the sum totality of a Transformer; it can be [[Spark extractor|extracted]] from the body of one Cybertronian and implanted into the frame of another, effectively "uploading" the memories and personality encoded in that Spark into a new body. In other continuities, the spark's presence in the body is harder to define; in these continuities, it coexists with other components crucial to Transformer life, such as the [[brain module]], making it harder to define where certain aspects of Transformer life begin or end. Some Cybertronians are created ''without'' sparks, and these Transformers are generally referred to as "[[drone]]s", deriving sentience from their programming. While their appearance and programming may allow them to adopt a convincing imitation of life and intelligence, most Cybertronians generally do not consider these Transformers to be truly "alive".
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===Fuel===
: ''See also: [[Energon]], [[Dark Energon]], [[Synthetic Energon]], [[Transformer fuel]], [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]], [[:Category:Power sources|Power sources]]

[[File:EnergonCubesCartoon1.jpg|left|thumb|200px|In the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|1984 cartoon]], Transformers can process different types of fuel into [[energon cube]]s, their primary energy source.]]

{{quote|No more artificial '''energon''' derivatives, no more scrabbling for micro-ergs of some foul local brew. This... is the '''real''' thing!|[[Starscream (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Starscream]]|[[Infiltration issue 6|Infiltration #6]]}}

Unlike humans, who require food, air, and water to survive, the only substance Cybertronians require to assure their continued functioning is a fuel source—though for a species as large and powerful as the Transformers, the average Cybertronian consumes a ''significant'' amount of fuel on a regular basis. This desire for energy has led to many wars, and the frequent depletion of their home planet's energy sources. Though early stories such as the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel comic]], suggested that Cybertronians could directly convert human energy sources like oil and gasoline, into a nebulously-defined [[Transformer fuel]], it wasn't long before the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|1984 cartoon]] introduced the concept of "[[energon]]:" a Cybertronian fuel that could be created by processing other fuel sources into an [[energon cube]], which generally became the default form of Transformer fuel going forward.

[[File:Roadhandler cardart.jpg|thumb|right|200px|The [[Micromaster]] upgrade allows Transformers to downsize into smaller, more fuel-efficient bodies.]]

To survive the constant fuel shortages, various Transformers across the multiverse have attempted to find means of either reducing or circumventing their reliance on energon. Alternate fuel sources, such as [[Nucleon (substance)|Nucleon]], [[Angolmois Energy]], or even the dreaded [[Dark Energon]], can fulfill most of the energy needs of a Transformer, but may have unpredictable side effects. Some continuities have expanded on Marvel's idea, and asserted that while Transformers ''can'' synthesize a usable fuel substitute from local energy sources, this Energon derivative is largely inefficient and offers poor fuel efficiency, making it a poor substitute for the genuine article. In other instances, Transformers may upgrade themselves into more fuel-efficient bodies, capable of functioning on exponentially less energon than other Transformers. The most famous of these are the [[Micromaster]]s, who derogatorily refer to other Transformers as "[[Macromaster|guzzlers]]". The [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s of [[Beast Era]] Cybertron would follow in their footsteps; by their time, three hundred years after the end of the Great War, the entire Transformer race had downsized to the point where they were only slightly taller than an average [[human]].

Not ''all'' Transformers exclusively rely on energon, however, and some Transformers have developed various solutions to cheaply convert organic material into energy. The Generation 1 [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s were one such group, who could sustain themselves by eating both organic and inorganic matter. Transformers who upgraded themselves into [[Powermaster]]s, meanwhile, could [[binary bonding|binary-bond]] with a specially-augmented biological partner, using this smaller lifeform's metabolism as a battery to fuel their systems in the absence of energon. In some universes, such as ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]'', the Maximals and Predacons have displayed the power to directly process food into energon by using their beast modes, though this is not a universally-established ability.

===Combination===
: ''See also: [[Combiner]], [[Micromaster Combiner]], [[Power Core Combiners]], [[Multiforce]], [[Mini-Con]]

[[File:G1Defensor-VisualWorks.jpg|thumb|left|200px|[[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] is the combined form of the five [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]], but possesses his own independent consciousness and personality.]]
{{quote|Wow, how come we can't do that?}}
{{quote|I don't know, I think they're double-jointed.|[[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] and [[Prowl (RID)|Prowl]] on [[Rail Racer (RID)|Rail Racer]]|"[[Bullet Train to the Rescue]]"}}

Some Transformers have displayed the ability to physically unite with one or more Cybertronians to assume a single, unified shape. These unusual Transformers are known as "[[combiner]]s". The exact nature of this combination depends on the individuals. Some Transformers, such as the [[Mini-Con]]s, are capable of undergoing a unique form of combination known as "[[powerlinx|powerlinking]]", where the smaller partner is able to imbue their to their "bulk" partner with extra powers, and, in some cases, new weaponry.

In rare cases, two Transformers may combine to form a single, shared vehicle mode, such as the [[Micromaster Combiner]]s. In other situations, teams of Transformers may unite to form weapons or tools, such as the [[Star Saber (Armada)|Star Saber]], the combined form of the [[Mini-Con]] [[Air Defense Mini-Con Team (Armada)|Air Defense Team]]. Generally, though, the most famous and memorable combiners are those Transformers who unite into a single "super robot", an exponentially larger and more powerful being than any of its components. This super robot, or "gestalt", may be made up of as few as two Transformers, or as many as six, but in most cases this combined form is, essentially, his or her own character, possessing a unique personality and consciousness that's more than just the sum total of their parts.

The origins of combination, when explored, are not particularly clear; the earliest fictions treated it as a unique trait that ''only'' these Transformers could possess through nebulous means, but as the ''Transformers'' franchise evolved other continuities would introduce various supernatural artifacts—such as the [[Spark of Combination]] or the [[Enigma of Combination]]—which could instantaneously change ''any'' group of Cybertronians into a functional combiner.
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===Weapons and abilities===
: ''See also: [[Weapon]], [[ability]]''

[[File:Shermandam.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Some Transformers can project energy into a physical form, creating weapons like the [[energon-axe]] and [[energon mace]].]]

{{quote|Have a mechanical malfunction, courtesy of my concussion cannon!|[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]]|"[[Heavy Traffic!]]"}}

Even the most peaceful Cybertronian is far from harmless; while the sheer bulk of their massive mechanical bodies poses an inadvertent threat to smaller life-forms, most, if not all, Transformers also have access to a devastating variety of weapons. The earliest ''Transformers'' stories faithfully depicted the various accessories packaged with indidividual toys as unique handheld weapons, with [[Bob Budiansky]] coming up with a wide variety of powers to set each gun apart from the next, such as [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]]'s signature [[glass gas]]. Other weapons, such as [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]'s shoulder-mounted cannons, are directly incorporated into their physical form. Like humans, Transformers may display a proficiency with long-ranged artillery weapons, medium-ranged rifles and pistols, or melee weapons like axes and swords. Individual weapons display varying levels of sophistication: melee weapons may be made out of solid metal alloys or pure energy, while their guns may fire bullets, slugs, chemical compounds, or exotic laser bolts.

[[File:Prime optimusionblaster.jpg|thumb|left|300px|The [[ion blaster]] is a signature weapon for [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]] in many ''Transformers'' stories.]]

Where exactly Transformers ''store'' these weapons when not wielding them was something of a mystery for many years; some obscure media would later declare that the majority of Transformers have access to a "[[subspace storage pocket]]:" a miniature dimension capable of storing matter, and the place where weapons and other accessories (eg.g. Optimus Prime's trailer) went when not in use. Later stories, most prominently the original 2007 film and its sequels, would drop this concept entirely. Rather, these stories depicted the various weapons of any given Transformer as "built-in" extensions of their natural bodies, depicting their weapons as physical transformations for their hand and forearm. This treatment carried over into the 2010 ''[[Transformers: Prime (cartoon)|Prime]]'' cartoon, though it would be dropped once again for [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2015 cartoon)|its 2015 sequel]].

In other instances, Transformers may possess rare abilities that, while they may not have a directly offensive use, set the Transformer apart from their comrades. Depending on the universe, these may be the result of natural upgrades to their bodies, or a sort of "genetic mutation" that distinguishes them from other Transformers—see [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]'s ability to [[teleportation|teleport]] himself from place to place, or [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]]'s power to generate magnetic fields.

===Organic components===
: ''See also: [[Binary bonding]], [[Pretender]], [[Technorganic]], [[Maximal]], [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]''

[[File:MTMTELandmine.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Pretender]] technology augments Cybertronians with quasi-organic outer "shells".]]
{{quote|So what are we? Robots, or animals?}}
{{quote|Both... and neither.|[[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] and [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]]|"[[Master of the House]]"}}

[[File:Cheetorbw.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Future generations of Cybertronians use [[DNA scanner]]s to adopt the forms of organic creatures]]

Cybertronians are a constantly-developing race, and after making contact with non-mechanical intelligences both Autobots and Decepticons have been known to harness the potential of organic life, as both weapons of war and to advance their own development as a species. Though these upgrades are powerful, and frequently coveted by other Cybertronians, not ''all'' Cybertronians are convinced of the soundness of this so-called "evolutionary leap;" some Transformers view the prospect of carbon-based life as repulsive, and these technologies as revolting or downright heretical.

The fusion between organic and mechanical takes many forms across the vast ''Transformers'' multiverse, running the gamut from simple [[binary bonding|binary-bonded]] partnerships—where a Transformer develops a symbiotic partnership with a smaller creature, to the point where they may telepathically merge into a single entity—to the advanced [[Pretender]] armor, concealing the mechanical shape of a Transformer beneath a specially-tailored "shell" that incorporates organic matter. These so-called "Pretenders" possess enhanced regenerative abilities, with their shells even allowing them to pass as non-robotic humanoids.

In those future universes where the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]] gives way to the [[Beast Era]], the [[Maximal]]s and [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s will go on to develop advanced [[DNA scanner]]s; thanks to advancements in both [[Micromaster]] and Pretender technology, these future Cybertronians are able to copy genetic material and directly integrate organic components into their structures, allowing them to disguise themselves as organic life without the need for an external Pretender shell. Even this arrangement can be enhanced: exposure to the energies of the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]] can unite both forms of life at the cellular level to create the first "[[technorganic]]" Transformers, a form of life said to be neither organic nor technological.
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===Gender===
{{main|Female Transformer}}

[[File:Revolution5-Windbladeprofile.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Changing attitudes in the ''Transformers'' brand led to the creation of [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] as a new "headline" female character.]]
{{quote|Female Autobots?! I thought they were extinct!|[[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]]|"[[The Search for Alpha Trion]]"}}
As a kid-friendly franchise first and foremost, most continuities have established that Transformers reproduce through decidedly asexual means; despite this, however, the Cybertronian species is usually depicted with a degree of {{w|sexual dimorphism}}, with clearly "male" and "female" robots coexisting, both in fiction and on toy shelves—though the male-to-female ratio has been historically skewed greatly in favor of the former. In early ''Transformers'' installments (and even some later stories!), female Transformers were presented as an aberration of sorts, their femininity sometimes the result of alien interference or malevolent genetic experimentation, and treated as something "outside" the Cybertronian norm. Changes in the real-world pop culture landscape, and an increased number of female writers in the ''Transformers'' franchise, have led to more recent works taking steps to depict female Cybertronians and their gender presentation as nothing particularly different from their male counterparts: just a natural aspect of the Cybertronian species.

As a kid's franchise, the topic of what Transformer gender really ''means'' in a society of asexual robots hasn't really been explored in most continuities, though some works, most notably IDW's older-skewing comics, have used their settings to tackle some deeper issues relating to gender and gender identity in Transformer society and the real world.

The earliest female Transformers introduced to the mythos: [[Chromia (G1)|Chromia]], [[Moonracer (G1)|Moonracer]], [[Firestar (G1)|Firestar]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], and so on, were generally depicted as curvier than the boxy "male" Transformers, looking more like attractive human women in armor than anything else. Since then, however, female Transformers have been allowed to diversify in appearance and personality, giving us some less-stereotypical females like ''Beast Machines'' [[Strika (BM)|Strika]] and ''Robots in Disguise'' [[Strongarm (RID)|Strongarm]], while new headline characters like [[Windblade (G1)|Windblade]] have increased representation of female characters as a whole in the franchise.
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==Transformer life cycle==
The life cycle of the Transformer race differs greatly from those of organic species.

===Birth===
: ''See also: [[Reproduction]], [[Protoform]], [[hatchling]], [[M.T.O.|Made To Order Soldiers]]''

[[File:Protoforms2.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Many continuities feature [[protoform]]s as the earliest stage of a Transformer life.]]
{{quote|The sparks give rise to '''sentience'''. The metal gains '''form'''... and the '''protoforms''' emerge. A '''generation new'''.|[[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]|''[[The Transformers: Salvation|Salvation]]''}}

The vast majority of ''Transformers'' continuities have firmly established that the Transformers reproduce asexually, though the individual mechanisms of just ''how'' a new Transformer comes to life can vary even within the same fictional universe. The creation of a new Transformer generally begins with the ignition of a [[spark]]—whether this spark comes from the living computer [[Vector Sigma]], the [[AllSpark]] itself, or a [[sacred implement]] such as the [[Matrix of Leadership]] and its [[Primal Program]] depends on the story—and then infusing that spark into a suitable body. In some instances, such as those Transformers brought to life directly by the [[AllSpark]], this body can be a mundane Earth machine, its structure supernaturally altered to become the [[living metal]] that makes up all Transformers, but, for the most part, most continuities have established that new Transformers begin as a "[[protoform]]:" a humanoid mass of liquid metal that requires the infusion of a [[spark]] to become a full-fledged Transformer. A protoform quickly develops into a new Transformer after accepting a spark; though the specifics are rarely elaborated upon, this process is ''generally'' understood to be very fast, occurring in a matter of days, hours, or even minutes, depending on the continuity. In Transformer society at large, "protoform" is often used as a shorthand equivalency for childhood or infancy, and Transformers are frequently said to have been "forged" as a Cybertronian synonym for "born".

[[File:Your First Mistake - Army Building Seekers.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Other Transformers are manually assembled, like conventional machines, and subsequently given life through the infusion of a Spark.]]

In other circumstances, a Spark may bypass the protoform stage entirely, and is implanted into a pre-constructed Transformer body; after this infusion, the new Transformer simply springs to life. Still other continuities have established that Transformers are capable of "[[Reproduction#budding|budding]]", a {{w|mitosis}}-like process in which a Transformer sacrifices some of its own essence to create a new protoform.

The Transformers of the live-action movie series appear to be the exception to this rule; multiple Transformer characters have alluded to possessing fathers and mothers (the implications of these statements have never been explored), while in this continuity new Transformers begin as feral "[[hatchling]]s", who spend their early days nourishing themselves in egg sac-like "pods" of energon. Certainly this seems to point towards the Transformers having some kind of familial relationships, though how exactly these tie into that universe's overarching mythology of the AllSpark and the "[[Creator (AOE)|Creator]]s" is something of a mystery.
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===Early life===
: ''See also:[[:Category:Transformer education|Transformer education]]''

[[File:Shining armor 1 baby stardrive.jpg|thumb|right|200px|At five days old, [[Stardrive]] has already developed her "adult" appearance.]]
{{quote|But back then, I was just a '''kid'''. I had to learn to talk, and interact with people. By my '''fifth solar cycle''', I was... '''considerably bigger''' than [[Elonian|my classmates]].|[[Stardrive]]|[[Shining Armor issue 1|''Shining Armor'' #1]]}}

While [[human]] children might take years to master the various skills required of them in later life, Transformers are brought online as more-or-less independent lifeforms, their personalities ranging anywhere from early adolescence to full maturity. These new Cybertronians are essentially adults, capable of making decisions and fending for themselves without any kind of parental guidance. It is for this reason that most Transformers do not possess, or even have any concept, of parental units or familial bonds. The sole exception to this rule are [[twin]]s; akin to the splitting of a human zygote, twins are generally depicted as the product of a "split spark", granting them a unique, quasi-telepathic "sibling bond", and occasionally manifesting the power to [[combiner|combine]] with one another. Many depictions of Transformer "childhood" tend towards the comedic and are thus of dubious veracity; for instance, [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] claimed that he had been a non-transforming tricycle in his youth.

[[File:Autobot Cadets.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Institutions like [[Autobot boot camp]] build teamwork and co-operative skills between young Autobots.]]

The personality and traits of a Transformer also seem to be established rather quickly after coming online; this can occasionally lead to strange situations, where the deep-voiced, chivalric hero [[Silverbolt (BW)|Silverbolt]] is in fact ''younger'' than the excitable, childlike [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]]. Similar oddities occur across the franchise.

As a consequence of their unusual life cycle, most Transformers do not have much of a concept of "childhood" as humans know it, perhaps explaining why the Autobots are so prone to taking human children into harm's way. As a war story first and foremost, generally taking place long after the collapse of any functioning society, few continuities have explored how young Cybertronians are formally socialized and educated; indeed, most newborn Transformers are immediately thrust into the front lines to continue the war. Those scant references to early life ''do'' depict young Transformers learning life skills in a group setting, whether this is through ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron's]]'' [[primary programming]], or a more military-flavoured education such as ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Autobot boot camp]]. More specialized institutions, such as ''Animated''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s [[Cyber-Ninja Dojo]] or [[2005 IDW continuity|IDW]]'s [[Ultirex Technoversity]], suggest that some Transformers may choose to focus on specific academic or military fields as part of their vocational path.
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===Lifespan===
: ''See also: [[:Category:Elderly Transformers|Elderly Transformers]]''

[[File:AniRatchetPromoModel.jpg|thumb|right|200px|At more than four million years old, the elderly Transformer [[Ratchet (Animated)|Ratchet]] is evidently in the later stages of his life.]]
{{quote|I may be old, boys, but I've still got what it takes. Age before beauty, gentlemen!|[[Bulkhead (Energon)|Bulkhead]]|"[[Jungle Planet (episode)|Jungle Planet]]"}}

As mechanical beings, most Cybertronians are an incredibly long-lived, and even "young" Transformers may be older than any living thing on planet Earth. Though the specifics may vary, Transformers measure time in terms of millions of years and generally exist on a fundamentally different timescale than humanity—the precise age of Transformer civilization differs from one continuity to the next, from [[2005 IDW continuity|IDW]]'s twelve million years to ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Animated]]''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s claim of "over ten ''billion'' years"—but across all of these continuities it's made clear that Cybertronians are not bound to the fleeting lifespans of short-lived organic beings; their histories, empires, and wars playing out over a period of geological epochs.

A conservative estimate would put the average Transformer lifespan at four to seven million years, though some universes, most recently 2018's ''[[Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)|Cyberverse]]'' cartoon, has suggested that its cast of characters are more than 65 million years old, with the Autobots having landed on Earth during the end of the {{w|Late Cretaceous|Late Cretaceous}} era.

An individual Cybertronian might grow to a venerable age, outlasting entire civilizations in the process, but they are not truly immortal beings. Though one might assume that, as robotic lifeforms, a Cybertronian could simply replace worn-out parts indefinitely, it is clear that Cybertronians ''do'' age, may indeed become "elderly", (in some cases, this manifests as a variety of memory and mobility-related problems) and even die from age-related complications, such as [[cybercrosis]]. The precise nature of Transformer aging is not well-understood, though several continuities, such as the [[Transformers: Wings Universe|Wings Universe]] or the live-action film series, have linked the process to a prolonged period of fuel depletion. These sorts of "natural" deaths are very rare in the franchise; as ''Transformers'' is a war story first and foremost, it is far more common to have Transformer lives simply cut short for one reason or another.
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===Death and the afterlife===
:''See also: [[Death]], [[Transformer afterlife]], [[Transformer funerary practices]], [[Zombie]]

[[File:Afterdeath-gameoverman.jpg|thumb|right|200px|A powerful enough explosion can fatally blow a Transformer apart.]]

{{quote|He lived a warrior... and died a hero. Let his spark join the Matrix, the greatest of Cybertron.|[[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] eulogizes [[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]|"[[Code of Hero]]"}}

Though long-lived, powerful, and able to quickly recover from even grievous injuries, Cybertronians are not invincible, and can be killed like any other lifeform, as has been demonstrated again and again by their endless wars. Exactly what it ''takes'' to bring down a Transformer varies from one continuity to the next—and, more cynically, as the needs of the plot demand—but for the most part the death of a Transformer is accompanied by the extinguishment of its spark.

Transformers can be killed through ways that are analogous to human causes of death: they can be shot, stabbed, blown to bits, or otherwise damaged by weapons to the point where their body can no longer function, their heads and torsos can be mutilated beyond repair by [[decapitation]] or simple blunt impact trauma, or their physical structures can be broken down by toxic compounds designed to damage their [[living metal]]. A Transformer can be "poisoned", sometimes lethally so, by ingesting the wrong kind of fuel, or they can simply "starve" to death if they are unable to refuel for long enough. Transformers may also die from uniquely robotic causes; long-term exposure to exotic forms of radiation may short out their circuitry, while exotic diseases like [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|Cosmic Rust]] or [[Scraplet]]s can destroy their mechanical bodies from within. In those universes where science and sorcery coexist, Cybertronians have also displayed a glaring vulnerability to [[magic]]. As a story of war, all of these fates and worse have befallen various Transformers across the multiverse.

[[File:GhostsofCybertron1-Starscream.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Starscream's mutated spark is somehow able to sustain his consciousness after death, surviving as an incorporeal [[ghost]].]]

Unlike humans, however, who may or may not profess a ''belief'' in an afterlife without any concrete evidence, the various [[Transformer afterlife|afterlives]] are generally regarded as real; when a Transformer's spark is extinguished, it merely returns to the metaphysical dimension alternately referred to as the "Allspark" or "Afterspark", supposedly connected to the entirety of the Transformer race across the multiverse, where it can commune with the other spirits of the departed.

Death does not necessarily mark the end for a Transformer, however. It is possible that a Transformer may return to life if the spark can be plucked from the afterlife and safely transferred into a new vessel. In other cases, the spark itself may choose to re-enter our physical world if the need is great and resume life as a mortal Transformer. A handful of Transformers, most infamously [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], have displayed the ability to survive the complete physical destruction of their body and continue existence as a spectral "[[ghost]]", displaying typically ghostly skills such as intangibility and the power to possess the bodies of other Transformers. Various sources have flagged this ability as a rare spark-based "mutation," and as such it is the exception, not the rule.

In still other instances, Transformers may be resurrected as [[zombie]]s; in most cases, these are dead Transformers whose physical shells have merely fallen under the control of another, and lack the sparks that characterize Cybertronians as truly "alive".
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==Transformer culture==
[[File:WOTF Emotion.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Transformers can exhibit any number of personality types, including [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|loving]] [[Elita One (G1)|couples]], [[Beachcomber (G1)|peaceful creatures]], [[Hot Shot (Armada)|impetuous adolescents]] and [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|omnicidal maniacs]].]]

Regardless of continuity, the most distinctive facet of Cybertronian society has been its near-continuous state of [[Cybertronian Civil Wars|planetary Civil War]] between the [[Autobot]]s and the [[Decepticon]]s. The conflict is mostly defined by what each faction believes is the "destiny" of the Transformers: the Autobots believe in a peaceful society where Cybertron is a place of culture and justice, while the Decepticons believe in a "might makes right" philosophy where Cybertron would be the center of a [[Decepticon Empire|mighty empire]]. The fact that the vast majority of what we know about Transformers has been shaped by this constant, corrosive warfare should not be overlooked.

===Society===
:''See also: [[Functionism]], [[Caste system]], [[Pax Cybertronia]], [[Cybertronian colonies]]

[[File:Bigredkhanna.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Cybertronian civilization bears many similarities to human societies on Earth.]]

{{quote|Everyone's Shape Serves A Purpose|A [[Functionism|Functionist]] slogan|"[[Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It]]", "[[Shadowplay, Part 1: Post Hoc|Post Hoc]]"}}

Individual depictions of life on both pre-war and post-war Cybertron have varied wildly from one continuity to the next, but most continuities have established that Transformers organized themselves into societies comparable to most modern human civilizations, with many of the same hallmarks: a written language, clear division of labour, an organized government, complex social hierarchies, and education systems designed to pass on knowledge and culture to newly-forged Transforemrs. Individual career paths on Cybertron are largely analogous to many human jobs: [[Stockade (RID)|soldiers]], [[Arcee (Animated)|teachers]], [[Constructicon (G1)|construction workers]], [[Terminus (G1)|miners]], [[Circuit (G1)|journalists]], [[Megatron (SG)|professors]], [[Perceptor (G1)|scientists]], [[Maccadam|bartenders]], and [[Windsweeper|sanitation engineers]], to name a few. Other facets of society are similarly Earth-like, with [[Needlenose (G1)|fads and fashions]], [[Overload (RID)|theater]], [[Rippersnapper (SG)|film]], [[Mirage (G1)|aristocracy]], [[Empty|poverty]], and so on. Millions of years old, life on Cybertron is very much guided by ancient traditions and millennia-old schools of thought, and many Transformers regard their forebears with great reverence and respect—even if a cursory analysis of the history books reveals that those "ancestors" were not particularly upstanding individuals themselves.

Unlike humans, however, Cybertronians place great importance on the value of their shapeshifting abilities and [[alternate mode]]s, and have been known to divide themselves into social groupings based on this premise. Depending on the universe, those Transformers who share a similar alternate mode or profession—for instance, all Transformers who become aircraft, or those who work in Cybertron's various scientific fields—may be lumped together under a single, inflexible social group or caste. The rigidity of this system varies by continuity, but some universes have taken this concept to the extreme, such as the [[Aligned continuity family]]'s depiction of its [[caste system]] or IDW's [[Functionism]] as the defining trait of pre-war Cybertron. In many continuities, pre-war Cybertron has been depicted as something of a dystopia; whether this is due to energy shortages, an oppressive government, and simple cultural stagnation, these stories portray the planet and its culture as crumbling, highly stratified between "haves" and "have-nots," and overseen by a bloated and corrupt government in the final years before the rise of the Decepticons. Not ''all'' modern ''Transformers'' fiction adheres to this rule, however, such as IDW's [[Transformers (2019 comic)|2019 comic reboot]] and its decision to reimagine the planet as an enlightened, largely egalitarian utopia.

[[File:Planetmicro landscape.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Cybertronians have been known to colonize distant worlds, such as the planet [[Micro]].]]

The Transformers are a naturally expansionistic race, and their development has been punctuated by the periodic [[Cybertronian colonies|colonization]] of other planets throughout the universe. What this colonization entails depends on the intentions of the Cybertronians; Cybertronians may change their worlds to fit their needs through [[eco-structuring]], strip-mining and rebuilding the planet into a miniature copy of Cybertron, while in other cases Cybertronians may adapt by changing ''themselves'', leaving the planet in a more-or-less natural state. Many universes have established that this period of colonization and expansion occurred in the distant past, with the various colonies cut off from Cybertron in the present day; in the interim, these isolated Transformer outposts may develop over time to become entirely new kinds of Transformer, with their own unique societies.

[[File:TheAutonomyLesson-spaceport.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Post-war Cybertronian society is marked by periods of turmoil and reconstruction.]]

Wartime Cybertronian society is portrayed as heavily polarized between Autobot and Decepticon. Neutrality is rare, and when [[neutral]]s do exist, they generally fare poorly, becoming victims of Decepticon abuse and destruction or being otherwise forced to flee the planet. Those rare universes where the Great War is allowed to come to an end feature reconciliation and reconstruction efforts aimed at rebuilding a wounded planet and otherwise move on from a dark era of death and destruction. But some Transformers are incapable of letting go of their grudges; armed pockets of resistance may hold out for years on backwater planets, while more clever individuals may gather like-minded dissidents to plot revenge from the shadows. Years after the ratification of an official armistice, even the most open-minded of Transformers may still continue clinging to old allegiances, with post-war society developing along strict factionalist lines.

Some Transformers refer to the ideal outcome of Cybertronian civilization as the "[[Pax Cybertronia]]", ushering in a prosperous future for the galaxy by bringing lasting peace to the Transformer homeworld and beyond.
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===War===
:''See also: [[Cybertronian Civil Wars]], [[:Category:Wars|Wars]]

[[File:BattleForCybertron.jpg|thumb|right|250px|Most ''Transformers'' stories are set during the "[[Great War (G1)|Great War]]" between the [[Autobot]]s and [[Decepticon]]s.]]

{{quote|'''Unity''' would give way to '''discord'''... '''civil war''' begat a '''Golden Age''' which begat a '''new''' civil war. "'''Why'''" is the question. Why...is Cybertron locked in this '''cycle'''?|[[Shockwave (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Shockwave]]|"[[The Falling, Interlude: The First Who Was Named|The First Who Was Named]]"}}

The history of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] is the history of a planet wracked by brutal civil wars, interspersed with comparatively brief "[[Golden Age]]s" of peace and prosperity. Not unlike [[human]]ity, the process of war and reconciliation tends to be depressingly cyclical: the outcome of one war leads to a disaffected group of individuals who inevitably spark the next great war. Though the most famous war in the ''Transformers'' multiverse tends to be the so-called "Great War," between the (generally) heroic [[Autobot]]s and the (usually) villainous [[Decepticon]]s, many other equally destructive conflicts can and have occurred: the [[First Cybertronian Civil War]], the [[Machine Wars (event)|Machine Wars]], or the [[Grand Uprising]], have all pitted millions of Transformers against one another for control of Cybertron, and sometimes the entire galaxy.

The longevity and power of the Cybertronian race mans that their wars tend to be brutal, drawn-out affairs, frequently lasting for millions of years and potentially stretching across dozens of planets—these may be [[Cybertronian colonies]], or "neutral" worlds populated by primitive organics. In many of these conflicts, Cybertron itself is rendered uninhabitable, forcing the war off-world. Cybertronians at war do not seem to follow any kind of rules of engagement analogous to humanity's {{w|Geneva Conventions}}; civilians, noncombatants, and wounded soldiers are considered to be viable targets, and the inhabitants of neutral planets may be exterminated, their homes [[Eco-structuring|cyberformed]], to expand the aegis of a potential [[Decepticon Empire]]. Wide-scale atrocities and ever-more elaborate weapons of war are common, and even many Autobot leaders across the multiverse have found themselves making morally questionable decisions in the name of victory.

The constant wars of the Cybertronian race have greatly stunted their potential development as a species; in [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon|one of the few universes]] where Cybertron did ''not'' collapse into civil war, the Transformers of that universe gradually evolved into a [[Transcendent Technomorph|highly advanced breed of life]] and devised a system of cross-dimensional travel.
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===Politics===
:''See also: [[Transformer government]], [[High Council (disambiguation)|High Council]], [[Prime (rank)]], [[Decepticon leader]]

[[File:Multiplicity Jetfire before High Council.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Many Transformer governments are oligarchic in nature, overseen by a "High Council" of appointed officials.]]

{{quote|Oh, ''great'' system, your "democracy"! No mechanism to break a tie!|[[Dinobot (BW)|Dinobot]]|"[[Chain of Command (BW)|Chain of Command]]"}}

Most Transformer governments are non-democratic in nature, overseen by one or more particularly wise or experienced individuals. This government may be oligarchic in nature, such as the various "[[High Council (disambiguation)|High Council]]s" present throughout the multiverse, monarchic, such as the ancient [[Overlord (rank)|Overlords]] of the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], or an outright dictatorship—benevolent or not. All of them seem to wield a great deal of power over both military and civilian institutions. During wartime situations, command over a faction generally falls to a single autocratic leader, occasionally known as the [[Supreme Commander]]. Though they may seek counsel and consent from their followers, ultimately wartime decisions are theirs and theirs alone to make. Very few continuities have ever depicted a free or open electoral process on pre-war Cybertron.

On the planetary level, Cybertron is generally organized into a series of autonomous [[Polities of Cybertron|city-state]]s with their own independent governments; some continuities have established that this present-day state of events is the result of the fracturing of larger empires during the earliest days of the Cybertronian race. Depending on the universe, these city-states may be represented by Senators, who meet to discuss international issues as part of the planetary governing body known as the [[Senate]].

Particularly noble or otherwise pious Transformers, such as the Autobots, may gravitate to leadership under a single powerful individual known as a [[Prime (rank)|Prime]], who serves as a head of state, spiritual leader, and commander-in-chief all in one. In most franchises, this Prime is leader of the Autobots, and their leadership is demonstrated by their ability to wield the Autobot [[Matrix of Leadership]] which is generally passed from one successor to the next. Several continuities have demonstrated that Autobot leaders ''can'' be removed by the [[Crisis Act]]—essentially a vote of no confidence—but this law is not universal. In the ''[[Transformers Animated (cartoon)|Transformers Animated]]'' continuity, the supreme commander of Autobot civilization is known as a [[Magnus (rank)|Magnus]], who answers to Cybertron's civilian and military guilds.

Those Transformers who rally under the flag of the Decepticons, however, bow only to the supremacy of the [[Decepticon leader|most powerful]] and normally have ''no'' mechanism for peaceful handover of power: power struggles within the faction have occasionally erupted in the form of a [[Decepticon Civil War]].

By the era of the Maximals and Predacons, the planet is dually ruled by both the [[Maximal Elder|Maximal Council of Elders]] and the [[Tripredacus Council]], each seeming to hold jurisdictions over their respective factions. Both appear to be composed of war veterans from the Great War, Autobot and Decepticon veterans who have retired from an active role in Cybertronian life in favour of guiding a new generation of Transformers. The episode "[[Chain of Command (BW)|Chain of Command]]" suggests that Maximal society is [[democracy|democratic]] in nature, though IDW's ''Beast Wars'' comic would namedrop the [[Maximal Imperium]] as the name of their government.

===Religion===
:''See also: [[Religion]], [[:Category:Gods|Gods]]''

[[File:TheSumAndItsParts-OptimusMatrix.jpg|thumb|right|250px|The devout inhabitants of [[Caminus (planet)|Caminus]] worshipped [[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] as a living god.]]

{{quote|You gotta wonder: if God made man in his image, who made ''him''?|[[Robert Epps]] on [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|Optimus Prime]]|''[[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)|Revenge of the Fallen]]''}}

Across the multiverse, different ''Transformers'' stories have introduced a wide range of potential belief systems for the Cybertronian race—beliefs that have an alarming tendency of eventually being revealed as more-or-less true. Very rarely are Transformers or their society ''writ large'' depicted as atheistic; most Cybertronians seem to hold at least some religious beliefs, though the nature of thieir faiths are not always clearly outlined. Most Autobots (and even some Decepticons), for instance, view the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to be a divine artifact, a combination sacred talisman and symbol of office. Sacred texts such as the [[Covenant of Primus]] and various religious rituals are common enough to be considered largely unremarkable in Cybertronian society.

Just like humans, groups of Transformers may choose to worship various deities, or differing aspects of the same deity. In most series, worship of [[Primus]] is the most predominant of these faiths, though permutations of Primus-worship take many different shapes; the [[2005 IDW continuity]], for instance, conflated Primus with the benevolent pantheon of deities known as the [[Guiding Hand]]. In more recent continuities, Cybertronians have been known to worship the [[Thirteen]], treating them as infallible demigods, and some particularly pious individuals may choose to deify ''all'' those Transformers who hold the rank of [[Prime (rank)|Prime]] or carry the Matrix of Leadership.

[[File:WarWithin Escalation Bludgeons vision.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Some religious choices may have unintended consequences.]]

Other religions are more sinister in nature; ''particularly'' malevolent Cybertronians may choose to partake in illicit rites aimed at channeling arcane forces such as "[[dark science]]". Still others may choose to forsake Transformer society entirely by worshipping the dreaded [[Unicron]]. Among their number are the evil member of the Thirteen known as "[[The Fallen]]," and a number of different incarnations of [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]], both of whom have pledged to actively spread chaos and disharmony across the universe in service of their new master.

A handful of Transformers have displayed the ability to manifest paranormal powers outside the scope of natural Cybertronian science; they may have gained these powers as part of a dark pact with arcane forces, or they may be the result of studying mystical disciplines, like [[magic]]. These rare Transformers may be able to weave illusions, cast spells, fire bolts of mystical energy, commune with or resurrect deceased Transformers, or even divine the future.
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===Sciences===
[[File:Spacebridge (Cyberverse - Fractured).jpg|thumb|right|250px|[[Space bridge]]s allow Transformers to instantaneously warp from one location to another, regardless of distance.]]
{{quote|This ship is literally out of this world! Even the [[Fantastic Four]]'s brilliant leader, [[Mister Fantastic|Reed Richards]], would feel like a kid at his first science fair in here!|[[Spider-Man]]|"[[Prisoner of War!]]"}}

As robotic beings who predate the earliest humans by millions of years, it should come as no surprise that Cybertronian technology far outstrips the sum total of humanity's scientific development. Exotic technologies that defy our conventional understanding of physics are treated as commonplace; Cybertronian starships, and even those Transformers who ''become'' starships, for instance, are capable of {{w|faster-than-light}} travel and able to traverse vast distances in a short period of time. [[Space bridge]] technology goes even further than that, allowing travelers to instantaneously warp billions of lightyears, completely bypassing the need for an interstellar voyage. Artificial intelligences of varying levels of sophistication coexist alongside their sentient creators, and exotic chemical compounds are commonplace in both military and civilian uses.

When it is portrayed at all, academia on Cybertron is very much akin to its Earthen counterparts; Transformers may choose to specialize in one or more scientific disciplines—physics, engineering, and biology being the most common. Perhaps as a result of their biological immortality, scientific progress seems to occur far more slowly for Cybertronians than it does for humanity; outside of minor innovations and development of weapons, Cybertron has been known to have technology largely stagnate for millions of years, whether within or outside of wartime. Indeed, [[Vector Prime]] has [[Ask Vector Prime/Facebook src#CybertronianTech|noted]] that in [[The Transformers (cartoon)|certain universes]], technology developed more in the few decades following the Transformers' first contact with Earth than it did for millions of years beforehand, implying that humanity's [[Human Confederacy|own rapid development]] could act as a "catalyst" for the Transformers' advancements.

===Art===
: ''See also: [[Transformer music]], [[:Category:Artists|Artists]]''

[[File:Caged bulkhead.jpg|thumb|left|250px|Some Cybertronians have been known to study the artistic legacies of other species... though the results can be questionable.]]
{{quote|Destruction is the highest form of art.|[[Slog (G1)|Slog]]'s motto|[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' profile}}
The Transformers have been shown to have a very active [[Transformer music|musical tradition]]. The [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] itself has an archive of 11 million traditional Cybertronian songs. Many Transformers such as [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] have shown great interest in music, and [[Squawkbox]] is one prominent example of a Cybertronian musician.

Furthermore, sculpture seems to be one of the primary art forms of Cybertron, with many Transformers dedicated to it. One notable (and gruesome) school of sculpture, practiced by a startling number of Transformers involves making art out of the bodies of other Transformers. The [[Slogism]] movement is a part of this school.

Filmmaking is also practiced on Cybertron, though most examples seen are either [[Proteus's Promise|documentaries]] or [[The Birth of Cybertron|straight-up propaganda]]. Attempts by Cybertronians have also been made to produce films more inspired by the human art of cinema, but the results [[Dark Invasion|tend to]] [[Starscream: The Movie (film)|be lacking]].
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===Linguistics===
: ''See also: [[Cybertronian language]], [[Cybertronix]], [[Cybertronian Standard]], [[Cyberglyphics]], [[Ancient Cybertronian]]''

[[File:ToWalkAmongTheChosen-Spanish.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Optimus Prime (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Optimus Prime]] displays the ability to fluently speak Spanish while deployed in [[Mexico City]].]]

{{quote|You must realize that our actual "names" are communicated in an alien language wholly orthogonal to the human experience, and we often translate not just words but concepts. Since these are sometimes culturally dependent, our algorithms use sophisticated "best-fit" methodologies to ensure that even if a translation is not literal, it is resonant.|[[Vector Prime]]|[[Ask Vector Prime]]}}

Nothing if not adaptable, Cybertronians can quickly adapt to life on a new planet by instantaneously learning the local languages, allowing them to fluently and easily communicate with native lifeforms. The process by which this is done so is not always so clear-cut; the [[Transformers (film)|2007 film]] credited this skill to the Autobots' ability to access the [[Internet]], while [[Recipe for Disaster!|an issue]] of the [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)|Marvel Comic]] suggested that it was a natural ability, albeit one that that required time to unscramble and synthesize the language for Cybertronians. Various Transformers have referred to their names as "code-names," suggesting that their names as humans understand them are not their ''real'' names, but merely translated to get a similar ''idea'' of their true name across.

[[File:Other voices text.jpg|thumb|left|200px|''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'' introduced separate languages for both Maximals and Predacons.]]

It can be safely assumed that stories set exclusively on Cybertron or setting otherwise devoid of humans have "translated" dialogue for the benefits of us, the viewer, though the ''implication'' is certainly that these Cybertronians are "really" speaking in their native tongue. What, exactly, spoken Cybertronian language sounds like is something of a mystery; the live-action film series, at least, have established that the native tongue of those Transformers is a collection of garbled electronic noises, its pitch and speed depending on the size of the 'bot in question. Transformers who are unable, or unwilling, to speak may use nonverbal languages, such as [[chirolinguistics]] or [[Cybertronian Sign Language]].

Our knowledge of written languages is more concrete; over the years, a variety of Cybertronian calligraphies have surfaced, depending on era and faction—[[Maximal]]s use a different language than [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]]s, and both differ from the languages of [[Autobot]]s from [[Decepticon]]. Out of universe, these "written languages" tend to be rather simple 1-1 cyphers of the English alphabet, and as a result of this, many stories have taken the opportunity to sneak in various [[Easter egg]]s in the form of hidden messages, for the benefit of those ultra-geeky fans.
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===Medicine===
{{See also|:Category:Medics|l1=Medics}}

[[File:TheBecoming-MegatronAndRatchet.jpg|thumb|right|275px|While Cybertronian medical procedures superficially resemble human ones, the techniques involved are more similar to vehicle maintenance.]]
{{quote|Miko, a T-Cog is a ''biomechanism'', not a scrapyard find. If it were that easy, don't you think I would have replaced Bumblebee's voice box by now?|[[Ratchet (WFC)|Ratchet]]|"[[Operation Bumblebee, Part 1]]"}}

Cybertronians are an adaptable and robust race, able to survive even grevious injuries, but seriously injured or ailing Transformers may turn to members of Cybertron's medical community for assistance. The robotic nature of their bodies means that a Cybertronian "doctor" is a combination mechanic, roboticist, and physician, who must be able to accurately assess and repair damage to their patient's mechanical form. Individual specializations exist, such as "[[blacksmith]]s"—essentially, a Cybertronian obstetrician—but most in-fiction Transformer medicine comes in the form of on-the-ground battlefield repairs, designed to get wounded soldiers back on their feet and into the fight as quickly as possible.

Different educational institutions on Cybertron have been known to offer courses in medicine, and the realities of war mean that their services are in generally high demand. Some particularly deranged medics may fall in with the [[Decepticon]]s or other unsavory sorts, developing [[Ratchet (SG)|exotic and oftentimes gruesome "treatments"]] to perform on both both friends and foes, or concocting exotic new [[Cosmic Rust (disease)|disease-based bioweapons]] designed to wreak havoc on their enemies.

Generally, Cybertronian physicians choose to transform into ambulances and other "first responder" vehicles, and even those who don't often sport red-and-white color schemes.
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===Romance===
: ''See also: [[Transformer romance]], [[Conjunx Endura]], [[Kiss]]

[[File:TheGloaming-iloveyou.jpg|thumb|right|200px|[[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] and [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]] would popularize the term "[[Conjunx Endura]]" as the official term for a romantic union between Transformers.]]

{{quote|Nudge nudge, wink, wink - know what I mean?|[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]]|"[[Fire on High!]]"}}

Although their means of propagation tend towards the asexual, the Transformer psyche is not dissimilar enough to a human's that they do not crave the same kinds of long-term social bonds that we do, and though the story of ''Transformers'' is primarily one of war, various continuities have established that Cybertronians are also capable of the same kind of romantic affection that humans regularly engage in. This behavior dates back to the earliest days of the franchise; though it was never ''explicitly'' spelled out, dialogue in [[The Transformers (cartoon)|the 1984 cartoon]] made it abundantly clear that [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Elita One (G1)|Elita One]] held one another in high regard, with similar implications continuing through the [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986 animated film]] and its treatment of both the "swashbuckling hero" [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and the distinctly feminine [[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Arcee]]. Some instances of romance are depicted as serious, while others are distinctly played for laughs, such as the Predacon [[Scylla]]'s emphatically one-sided crush on the Maximal [[Ikard]].

[[File:Pgalove.jpg|thumb|left|200px|Cybertronians may fall in love with [[human]]s or other organic lifeforms.]]

In rarer cases, Cybertronians may fall in love with [[human]]s or [[alien]]s (though their feelings may not always be reciprocated), while particularly clueless Cybertronians may develop an attraction to inanimate objects—see [[Side Burn (RID)|Side Burn]] and his inexplicable romantic attraction to red sports cars. Other Transformers may consider this behavior ''strange'', but there do not seem to be any explicit taboos against it either.

Though one would assume that—as basically sexless lifeforms—the average Transformer would not display any real kind of preference when it comes to the already vague concept of Transformer gender, most ''Transformers'' fiction has largely displayed Transformers in "straight" relationships, with "male" Cybertronians falling in love with "female" Cybertronians and vice versa. Only comparatively recently as this situation begun to change; in [[2012]], ''[[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye|More than Meets the Eye]]'' made history by introducing [[Chromedome (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Chromedome]] and [[Rewind (G1)/2005 IDW continuity|Rewind]] as the first definitively identified same-sex couple, with many more following in their footsteps. ''More than Meets the Eye'' would dub individuals in this kind of relationship as "[[Conjunx Endura]]e," the first official name for the concept and the term that would become the standard terminology to describe romantically intertwined Transformers of either sex.
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==Related species==
:''See also: [[Junkion (species)|Junkion]], [[Lithone (species)|Lithone]], [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]], [[Gorlamite]], [[Stentarian]], [[Go-Bot (species)|Go-Bot]]
[[File:TFTM-WreckGarsits.jpg|thumb|right|300px|The Junkions had the ability to transform into motorcycle forms, which others of their species could ride. In some continuities, they are alien creatures, while in others they are the descendents of stranded Cybertronian colonists.]]
What is a Transformer? Going over the criteria that we have laid out here, the question seems a simple one at first blush: an alien robot who can transform from one form to another. The truth behind the answer isn't quite as easy to define, however; the ''Transformers'' franchise has populated its fictional universe with a variety of other [[alien]] species who superficially resemble Transformers, most notably the eccentric [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] and the ravenous [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]]s. In some instances, one could assume that these creatures are the process of a sort of {{w|convergent evolution}}, sharing a similar bodyplan despite originating on planets far from Cybertron.

Some more recent continuities, most notably the [[Aligned continuity family]], have established—apparently to preserve the "uniqueness" of the Cybertronian race—that these groups are actually the ''descendants'' of ancestral Cybertronians, who adapted both physically and culturally to survive on different worlds. This is not a hard-and-fast rule, however, and many modern continuities, such as the [[2005 IDW continuity|original IDW continuity]], have continued to treat these groups as entirely unrelated alien species.
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==Notes==
===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Transformer''' (トランスフォーマー ''Toransufōmā'')

==External links==
*{{i|Transformer}} at the IDW Hasbro Wiki
*[[wikia:memory-beta:Cybertronian|Cybertronian]] at Memory Beta, the non-canon ''Star Trek'' wiki

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Talk:Atlantis, Arise!

2019-10-17T23:08:16Z

Waverod: New section on Grimlock quote

Seriously? We're repeating the episode navigation because the episodes had a different '''order''' in Japan? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.123.161|75.168.123.161]] 02:46, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:Some episodes didn't air during the original Japanese run, as well. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::There was talk of combining the two nav boxes into a single box for the sake of neatness, but I don't recall where it left off. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 04:20, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::As I recall, if left off with me blubbering in a heap begging someone who actually knew how to do it to please please please DO IT. Effective! - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 09:27, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
::::So if the navbox gets changed, does that mean there will be summaries of the 3 Japan-exclusive clip shows? -[[Special:Contributions/75.168.123.161|75.168.123.161]] 10:16, 21 May 2008 (UTC)
:::::Well, we'll need someone to have actually SEEN them before they can be totally filled in, but the articles [[The Transformers (cartoon)#Japanese release|already exist]] in an unfinished form. Their existence is a large part of the reason for the secondary Japanese nav box. It's the same principle as the additional UK comic stories, and the secondary nav box we give those. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 10:35, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

"Soundwave is drawn with a totally transparent tape door as Starscream has him unscramble Nergill's second message. It appears to be a deliberate choice to show the cassette mechanism within, but it conflicts with the usual white coloration of his chest panel."

:Is this really an error? I thought his tape door was always considered transparent but just colored white as if light was gleaming off it like on Prine's windows. What does anyone else think?

::It is colored that way, for that exact reason. So coloring it differently constitutes an inconsistency, and therefore an error. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 00:36, 14 December 2009 (EST)

== What Starscream was doing to Wheeljack ==

It seemed pretty clear to me what was going on: Starscream was draining power from Wheeljack to give himself enough of an energy boost to negate the dysfunction ray's effect. [[User:ZeldaTheSwordsman|ZeldaTheSwordsman]] 21:28, 16 March 2010 (EDT)
:It seemed pretty clear to me that he wandered over, opened a hatch on Wheeljack's chest, and tried to insert some wires. ''What'' the intended effect of this is not stated. "Trying to fix himself" is a likely guess, certainly, but still a guess. (For context, as a kid, I thought he was just trying to mess up Wheeljack further, particularly based on Bumblebee's next line.) Like I wrote, it's simply not explained. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:50, 16 March 2010 (EDT)

== Continuity errors ==

I have issue with virtually ALL the continuity errors listed. Let's not try to hard to find them when there aren't any.

It's not an error that Megatron calls them vultures. For one thing, just because Microchange called them condors, doesn't mean they are in the TF universe. More importantly, though, condors ARE a kind of Vulture. It's no different than calling Ravage a cat instead of a jaguar.

Spike: better animation might have served to show he's using a radio. Not really a continuity error. And if anything, super human strength and endurance is right in line with this show's continuity. When have they been shown to NOT be?

If Nergill's mouth is moving, then it's certainly an animation error, not continuity.

Bumblebee's a robot. How is it an error that he can calculate a trajectory very quickly? Scourge predicted the planet Galvatron was thrown to with a lot less information, and we aren't calling that an error.

Conquest might have simply not been shown on screen. Where's the error, exactly?

We don't know WHAT they're breathing in their city. Maybe there's an additive in the air?

So having an incomplete force field presents a continuity issue? The Autobots can make force fields... does the lack of a permanent one around their entire base mean there's a continuity error?

If it's an ommission, and not an error, why list the Starscream/Wheeljack incident here?

Wheeljack saying something vague and uninformative... okay, but how's this a continuity error exactly?

How they show a forcefield being destroyed is: A) Not any more wrong then the thousands of other animation conventions being used (cartoons are not meant to be a hundred percent true to life) and B) not an error with the continuity of this episode or series.

The Dinobots are beinf shown to be strong enough to break through this dome, which was thought to be invincible. The unsinkable Titanic sank in RL... does that mean RL has a continuity error?

The point about Starscream may be the only real error here.

Yeah, maybe the dysfunction ray works that way. I've never used one myself.

Yep. Fire can exist under water. Water can sometimes ignite fires, depending on the chemicals involved.
{{unsigned|24.102.11.3|00:34, 29 July 2011 (EDT)}}

== GPS did exist... ==

Actually, GPS did exist at the time of the G1 Cartoon, but it was primarily a military technology. However, the shooting down of KAL007 a couple of years before the show led to it being made generally available. (The Korean Air Lines jet got off course and was in Soviet airspace when it was shot down. The whole incident was a comedy of errors on all sides. The idea was that if they had GPS they would have known where they were.) So while most civilian cars would not have had GPS in 1985, Bumblebee isn't exactly one of those, and there's a number of possible guesses as to how he could have had it, or some sort of equivalent. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 19:58, 5 September 2018 (EDT)

== From the quotes section ==
"Mmm, we are here."

—Grimlock is a master of subtle and astute observation

This reminds me of Gen Pershing arriving in Paris during WWI, when he said, "Lafayette, we are here!" The parallel is between the Dinobots coming to reinforce the Autobots and turn the tide with the US Army doing the same thing for the Allies. However, it's vague enough that I'm not sure it should go into the real world section, or be brought up at all (say, by changing the attribution line to something like "Grimlock channels his inner General Pershing"). Thoughts? [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 19:08, 17 October 2019 (EDT)

Talk:War for Cybertron: Siege (franchise)

2019-03-31T18:08:23Z

Waverod: Forgot signature

Stege??

So, "Stege" redirects here. Is that term anything but a typo for Siege? There's nothing about this term here. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 14:08, 31 March 2019 (EDT)

Talk:War for Cybertron: Siege (franchise)

2019-03-31T18:07:27Z

Waverod: Stege??

Stege??

So, "Stege" redirects here. Is that term anything but a typo for Siege? There's nothing about this term here.

Scrapper (G1)

2018-12-05T23:13:07Z

Waverod: /* The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers manga */ fixed grammar in note

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:''Scrapper is a [[Decepticon]] [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''
[[File:TFU Scrapper.jpg|upright=1.5|thumb|"By my own standards, Metroplex is the awesomest thing ever."]]
'''Scrapper''' is the engineer of the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. While the other Constructicons put their masterpieces together, Scrapper is the one who designs everything for them. Though his designs are among the best in Transformer history, Scrapper is a modest Decepticon who quickly shrugs off the praise he receives. In that respect he is the polar-opposite of his frequent second in command, [[Hook (G1)|Hook]], who is an egomaniacal glory-hound.

Though modest, Scrapper is still a total nutcase. One of his favorite artistic liberties with his designs involves taking living [[Autobot]]s and using them as raw materials. This vicious act is something [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] finds admirable, as he considers Scrapper the most valuable of the Constructicons.

Scrapper combines with his fellow Constructicons to form [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]].

{{bigquote|I am honoured to serve, Megatron.|Scrapper|"[[Heavy Metal War]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''The Transformers'' cartoon====
{{voiceactor|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Toshio Ishii]] (Japanese), [[Yū Shimaka]] (Japanese, "Heavy Metal War"), [[Keiichi Nanba]] (Japanese, ''The Movie'')|[[Zhu Zhunzun]] (Chinese), [[Edgar Wald]] (Latin American), [[Holger Schwiers]] (German, ''The Autobot Run''), [[Christoph Lindert]] (German, ''Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4 & 5''), [[Hans-Rainer Müller]] (German, ''The Rebirth, Part 1''), [[Tonio von der Meden]] (German, The Movie TV Dub & Generation 2 Dub of ''Triple Takeover''), [[Gerd Wiedenhofen]] (German, Generation 2 Season 1)}}

[[File:Scrapperg1cartoon.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|My continuity makes me dizzy.]]
Scrapper, who was evil, helped build [[Megatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Megatron]]. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} Later, Megatron used the [[Robosmasher|Robo-Smasher]] to make Scrapper, who was good, evil. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}} Finally, Megatron built Scrapper. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}} It all makes sense.

Regardless of all that, Scrapper and the Constructicons were active among the Decepticon forces on [[Earth]] in 1984. They attempted to infiltrate [[Ark (G1)|Autobot headquarters]] to destroy the Autobot computer [[Teletraan I]], but failed and ended up having a lava bath. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War}} The Constructicons were later vital in transforming [[New York City]] into the Decepticon city of "New Cybertron", and in the process Scrapper got to recycle [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] into a [[Alligaticon|robotic alligator]]. {{storylink|City of Steel (episode)|City of Steel}}

The Constructicons later built a drill leading into [[Earth's core]], in order for Megatron to tap its energy. While working on it, Scrapper had a [[dominator disk]] snuck onto him by [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]], allowing the Autobots to control the Constructicons when merged into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. The combiner fought his fellow Decepticons for a while before the disks were overloaded and they returned to normal. Scrapper then provided a peptalk for his team before they saved the Earth from their own drill, which had gone out of control. {{storylink|The Core}}

[[File:MasterBuilders Scrapper Grapple plans.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"Truly you are a master of structural engineering, Grapple. I could never hold up a map with a stump for a hand."]]
At one point, Scrapper convinced [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] and [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] that the Constructicons wanted to aid the two Autobots in a construction project to build a [[Solar Power Tower]]. Scrapper claimed to have admired Grapple's work back on Cybertron. When Megatron found out, the Constructicons had to explain (at gunpoint) that they were still loyal to him, and once the tower was completed they would turn it over to him. The plan initially succeeded, but the tower was soon destroyed in a battle between the Autobots and Devastator. {{storylink|The Master Builders (episode)|The Master Builders}}

Later, when the other Decepticons began to suffer from [[Cybertonium]] degeneration, Scrapper and the Constructicon worked fine. They took delivery of a shipment of the mineral via the [[space bridge]], and failed to stop [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] and [[Carly]] from getting by them and traveling to Cybertron. {{storylink|Desertion of the Dinobots, Part 1}} When faced with the mighty [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]], long out for revenge against the Constructicons, Scrapper repeatedly taunted and insulted him. In return, Omega Supreme beat the slag out of Devastator, but couldn't finish the job due to a surprise visit from an [[asteroid bird alien]]. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (episode)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

[[File:MakeTracks Scrapper sword.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|"I dub thee Drone #24601. Now rise up and go forth in Megatron's name!"]]
When the Constructicons were tasked with building a [[drone]] army out of human cars, Scrapper was seen slicing the machines apart with a sword. {{storylink|Make Tracks}} Scrapper's nasty side was later shown when he worked under [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]], who had temporarily overthrown Megatron. Scrapper used the [[Skids (G1)|remains]] [[Prowl (G1)|of]] [[Bluestreak (G1)|damaged]] [[Tracks (G1)|Autobots]] to make a throne for himself... nasty! {{storylink|Triple Takeover}}

[[File:TFTM DecepticonsShuttleAttack.JPG|right|thumb|upright=1.1]]
Scrapper and Constructicons were part of the Decepticon forces during the [[Battle of Autobot City|great battle]] of [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in [[2005]], and Devastator was integral in breaching the city's defenses. However, Megatron was defeated and the Decepticons were forced to retreat onboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]]. Megatron was subsequently thrown out into space, and Scrapper wasted no time in nominating his Constructicons to be the next [[Decepticon leader]]s. [[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] and his [[Decepticon Mini-Cassette|cassettes]] disagreed, and within minutes every Decepticon in the ship was fighting the rest for that precious leadership position. [[Starscream (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Starscream]] won out in the end, and the Constructicons provided music during his coronation (Scrapper doesn't let minor things such as [[mouthplate]]s get in his way of playing the trumpet). {{storylink|The Transformers: The Movie}}
{{note|Scrapper’s involvement in these events, or events mostly similar, were also chronicled in the comic mini-series “[[Transformers: The Animated Movie]].”}}

[[File:FightorFlee Constructicon vehicle.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1]]
In the remainder of 2005 and throughout the following year, Scrapper and the Constructicons maintained a smaller, but still present, role in the Decepticon army, lending their talents to the Decepticon/[[Quintesson]] alliance by constructing [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] out of a populated human city in only one night. {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}} Later, they built a planetary engine on an asteroid and battled on the planet [[Eurythma]], {{storylink|Carnage in C-Minor}} aided in the overthrow of [[Paradron]] {{storylink|Fight or Flee (episode)|Fight or Flee}} and took part in an attack on [[Japan]]. {{storylink|The Burden Hardest to Bear}} Although brief, the Constructicons even played a part in the battle for the [[Plasma Energy Chamber]] in [[2007]], seen firing on Autobots with the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]]. {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 3}}
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{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|The Autobot Run}} {{storylink|Megatron's Master Plan, Part 2}} {{storylink|The Girl Who Loved Powerglide}} {{storylink|Trans-Europe Express}} {{storylink|Starscream's Brigade}} {{storylink|Masquerade}} {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1}} {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 3}} {{storylink|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 5}} {{storylink|The Rebirth, Part 1}}}}

====Japanese cartoon continuity====
=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' manga=====
Scrapper and the other Constructicons started constructing Trypticon on a small island paradise, destroying the flora and fauna in the process. When the Autobots found out, they sent [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] to put a stop to them, and the Constructicons responded by forming Devastator. Unfortunately, the newly activated Trypticon, who wanted the challenge of fighting Superion by himself, grabbed Devastator and threw him into the ocean. After all was said and done, the Autobots put Scrapper and the rest of the Constructicons to work, restoring the island to its former natural splendor. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers issue 6|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers #6}}

=====''Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers'' story pages=====
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=====Scramble City: Mobilization=====
When the Decepticons learned of the Scramble City project being secretly assembled by the Autobots, Megatron sent his henchmen to interfere with their work. The Constructicons joined Starscream and his flying partners in an attack on the Autobots. Optimus Prime and a task force of Autobots held their position until Scrapper and the Constructicons inevitably joined forces into Devastator. The Aerialbots gave Devastator a good whippin', though, and the Decepticons retreated. {{storylink|Scramble City: Mobilization}}

=====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers'' manga=====
In the year [[2010]], Scrapper participated in a Decepticon attack on the planet Feminia. He and his team merged into Devastator in order to battle alongside Bruticus and Menasor against their Autobot counterparts Superion, Defensor and Omega Supreme. The fight was fairly evenly matched until Galvatron called up his ace-in-the-hole, [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]], whose power was unmatched by any of the Autobots... except for the [[Omnibot (G1)|Omnibots]], who essentially tied Predaking's shoelaces together until he fell over, straight into Devastator and his chums, sending them all toppling to the ground and knocking them to bits. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 5|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #5}}
{{note|Scrapper only appears as a component of Devastator.}}

=====''The Headmasters'' cartoon=====
Scrapper and the Constructicons were stationed on Earth in [[2011]], under the command of [[Sixshot]]. They attempted to prevent [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] from sending reinforcements to Cybertron to help the Autobots fend off [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]]'s siege on [[Vector Sigma]]. Scrapper and his squad were ganging up on the [[Trainbot]]s until [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] arrived and shooed them off with his superior firepower. Having failed to stop the Autobot reinforcements from departing, the Constructicons followed them to Cybertron. As Devastator, they tried to shoot [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] in the back, but Optimus Prime foiled their aim, making them hit [[Abominus (G1)|Abominus]] instead. {{storylink|Four Warriors Come out of the Sky}} Devastator was involved in a combiner shootout on Cybertron until the [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Battleship Maximus]] arrived and annihilated the Decepticon combiners. {{storylink|The Mystery of Planet Master}}

Scrapper and the Constructicons were guarding the Decepticon [[space bridge]] on Earth, but failed miserably when [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Twincast]] single-handedly fought them off and stole a ride on the bridge. {{storylink|The Great Cassette Operation}}

=====''Unite Warriors''=====
Scrapper and the Constructicons decided to rebuild the Crystal City on Earth, and tricked Grapple, Omega Supreme and some other Autobots into helping them. {{storylink|Unite Warriors Offshot#Crystal City Reconstruction Project|Crystal City Reconstruction Project}}

=====''Zone'' OVA, manga, and story pages=====
Seeking to create a [[Decepticon Zone]] to counter the [[Micro|Autobot Zone]], [[Emperor of Destruction|Decepticon Emperor]] [[Violen Jiger]] gathered together the Nine Great Demon Generals, upgrading them with powerful new armor and weaponry, then sent them forth to conquer planets. Scrapper was among those summoned, but only in the form of Devastator. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (story page)|Zone Part 1}} {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers: Zone (manga)|Zone}} {{storylink|Enter the New Supreme Commander, Dai Atlas!}}

=====''Transformers Legends'' comic=====
When the [[Waspinator (BW)|Waspinator]] of the [[Legends Universe]] retold Megatron's life story, he started with his creation at the hands of Scrapper and the Constructicons. {{storylink|Legends Comic: Bonus Edition Vol. 13}}

====''Wings Universe''====
{{Wingsnote}}
Nine million years ago, Scrapper was a member of the construction team that built [[Crystal City]]. It was during this project that he and his fellow Constructicons were introduced to [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 42|Hauler's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}} The Constructicons rose to prominence thanks to their immense architectural skills, and formed their own faction under the leadership of Hook. They were forced to align themselves with the Decepticons in order to maintain access to Kaon's smelting pools, which granted him access to the raw building material they needed to continue their work. In order to escape the restraints imposed on them by the Decepticons then in power, Scrapper, Scavenger, Hook, Bonecrusher, Mixmaster, and Long Haul met in a cavern deep in Cybertron's underground and built Megatron to vanquish their foes. But Megatron turned on his creators, and brainwashed them using the [[Robosmasher|Robo-Smasher]]. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 42|Devastator's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}} Among their first acts as Decepticons, the Constructicons destroyed Crystal City. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 42|Hauler's ''Wings of Honor'' profile}}

Scrapper was part of [[Hook (G1)|Hook]]'s Constructicon team when it was augmented with [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]]'s [[Combiner]] technology and turned into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. {{storylink|Battle Lines, Part 5}} During the third Cybertronian war, the Constructicons were ambushed at [[Elevation Recostalus]] by a group of Autobots including [[Hauler]] and [[Erector (G1)|Erector]], who disabled them before they could form Devastator. The group remained offline until 1984, when Megatron rebuilt them on Earth and appointed Scrapper as leader in Hook's place. {{storylink|Transformers I.Q.#issue 45|Transformers I.Q. last issue review}}

During the [[Battle of Autobot City]], Devastator was blasted apart by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]]'s team. Scrapper claimed the Autobots had merely gotten lucky, and he and the other Constructicons began pursuing them, gunning down [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]] in the process. {{storylink|A Flash Forward}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
In an amalgamated universe engineered by [[gbwiki:Gong|Gong]] and [[Sideways (RID)|Sideways]], the Constructicons participated in the siege of [[Guardian (GoBots)|Guardian]] City by forming Devastator. {{storylink|Echoes and Fragments}}

====''Deviations''====
In a reality where Optimus killed Megatron in 2005, Scrapper was one of the many Decepticons who retreated aboard Astrotrain. He was shocked to learn that his leader hadn’t made it out alive. {{storylink|Transformers: Deviations|Deviations}}

===Marvel Comics continuity===
====Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics====
{{noteukonly}}
[[File:Constructiconsbornmarvel.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|Scrapper is the green and purple one.]]
Early in the Transformers' war on [[Earth]], [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] used the stolen power of the [[Matrix of Leadership|Creation Matrix]] to give life to the first of a new generation of Decepticon warriors, the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]]. Scrapper and the other Constructicons were immediately given a mission upon their coming online — construct a communications tower to transmit a message to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. A truckstop was raided for raw materials, which attracted the ire of trucker [[Bomber Bill]], who, with the aid of the [[Autobot]]s, managed to destroy the tower Scrapper and the other Constructicons had built. {{storylink|The Next Best Thing to Being There!}}

''Scrapper and the Constructicons, after troubleshooting their union as [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], were sent by Shockwave to abduct [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]]. After tracking the boy down to a demolition derby, and merging into Devastator to fend off the Autobots they found there, the Constructicons' attack was suddenly called off. While Devastator battled, [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] had discovered that Buster held the rest of the Creation Matrix in his head, and considered this too great a revelation to proceed as initially planned.'' {{storylink|Devastation Derby!}}

After [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]]'s retaking of Decepticon command, Scrapper and the other Constructicons were charged with building perimeter defences around [[Wyoming base|their headquarters]] located at the base of a coal strip mine in eastern [[Wyoming]]. Devastator's services were again required when the Autobots staged a surprise attack, but they retreated once they had what they needed; data on the Constructicons' combining process. {{storylink|Command Performances!}}

[[File:Snarl scrapper soundwave in the national interest.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3|Snarl beat him so hard, he knocked the green off of him.]]
''Megatron, Soundwave, Scrapper and the Constructicons went to track down [[Joy Meadows]] after seeing her on ''[[Between the Lines]]'' threatening to expose the truth of the Transformers' war on Earth. Thanks to an [[Intelligence and Information Institute|Triple I]] tracer they followed [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] and found the reporter and her crew with the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. A battle ensued, with the Decepticons coming out on top until the arrival of [[Centurion (Marvel)|Centurion]] turned the tide against them. Soundwave decided to bring the situation to a conclusion by incinerating the humans' footage, which dispirited the Dinobots and humans and the Decepticons left victorious.'' {{storylink|In the National Interest}}

''The Constructicons were sent into frigid [[Yukon]] territory to work on a secret project. They were discovered by [[Jazz (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Jazz]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], only for the two Autobots to accidentally betray their presence with an accidental weapons discharge. The Constructicons chased down the interlopers, blasting at them through a nearby forest. During the chase, they merged into Devastator in an attempt to overtake the pair. While in this form, they were duped into blasting a hydro-electric dam. Realizing what was coming, the Constructicons only had time enough to separate before the concrete structure collapsed, unleashing a torrent of water. The Constructicons were submerged in the flood, allowing the Autobots to escape.'' {{storylink|The Mission}}

''Later, Scrapper and the Constructicons fell under the control of the [[time travel]]ling [[Decepticon leader]] [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] after he incapacitated Megatron and Soundwave. He set them to building a giant weapon for him, though once his plans were thwarted by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|three]] [[Kup (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Autobots]] from the [[Blurr (G1)|future]] the Constructicons returned to Megatron's command.'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}}

{{GIJoeTransformersfiction}}
[[File:MarvelUS41 ScrapperScavenger.JPG|thumb|upright=1.1|"Constructicons—slump into vehicle mode!"]]
Scrapper and the other Constructicons were called upon to defend the Decepticons' [[Club Con|base in the Florida Keys]] from a joint attack by [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]], [[Cobra]], and the Autobots. Forming Devastator once again, they brawled with [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] until a blast from Superion's rifle caused a malfunction in Devastator's coupling links and he broke up into his components. {{storylink|...All Fall Down!}}

[[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] then assumed leadership of the Earthbound Decepticons and had Scrapper and the rest of the Constructicons except Mixmaster raid a building site in downtown [[Atlanta]], [[Georgia]] for raw materials such as girders. {{storylink|Toy Soldiers!}} They would go on to participate in an attack on the combined Autobot forces on Earth's [[Moon (moon)|moon]] while [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]] and [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] fought a duel for command. Under cover of battle, Scrapper and the other Constructicons retrieved the remains of several fallen and captured Decepticons. {{storylink|Totaled!}}

{{note|Scrapper and the other Constructicons seem to just disappear from the ranks of the Decepticons after this point.}}

=====Earthforce=====
{{earthforcefiction}}
[[File:Soundwave scrapper mixmaster secrets.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"Scrapper, is Soundwave listening to us?"
"''What''? Probably not."]]
Scrapper worked for Megatron during the Earthforce saga, as did most of his fellow Constructicons. He was first seen telling stories to [[Mixmaster (G1)|Mixmaster]] in the [[Decepticon Louisiana bayou base|Decepticon base's hallway]] while [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] was mentally searching for traitors... and blackmail information. {{storylink|Secrets (G1)|Secrets}} With Soundwave in command, Scrapper joined a massive Decepticon offensive against the Autobot [[Earthbase]]. Their goal was to kill some Autobots, while also distracting them as [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] looted a human oil tanker in the [[Gulf of Mexico]]. Both goals proved fruitless, and the Decepticons were driven off. {{storylink|Divide and Conquer!}}
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=====Marvel UK future timelines=====
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''When Megatron launched an all-out offensive against [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] in the year [[2005]], Scrapper was among the troops who besieged the outpost. He and the other Constructicons combined into Devastator at Megatron's command to breach Autobot City's outer defenses. When the Decepticons were eventually forced to retreat inside [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]], the Constructicons were relatively unscathed from the battle. As such, they voted that all injured Transformers be jettisoned when Astrotrain complained he didn't have the energy necessary to carry them all back to Cybertron.'' {{storylink|The Planet-Eater!}}

''With Megatron having been deposed, Starscream took over leadership of the Decepticons. He held for himself a coronation ceremony, which Scrapper attended. The procession was interrupted by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], who revealed himself to be Megatron reborn before reducing Starscream to a pile of scrap. Scrapper and the others present cheered as their former master retook his place as their leader.'' {{storylink|Judgment Day!}}

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By [[2008]], Scrapper was supplanted as leader of the Construction by Mixmaster. He was seen with a Decepticon strike team on-board [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] as the Decepticons planned to attack [[Autobase]], just before they were attacked themselves by the [[Quintesson]]s. Previous information that Decepticon commander Soundwave had received, informing him that the Autobots were mostly off-world, turned out to be a ruse orchestrated by the aliens to ambush his troops. The Decepticons were forced to call upon the Autobots for assistance in thwarting the Quintessons' forceful colonization of their homeworld. {{storylink|Space Pirates!}}
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====Marvel ''Generation 2'' comic====
Scrapper and [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] helped construct a thermal bomb perimeter around the Autobot/Decepticon encampment which was entrenched on Earth awaiting arrival of the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]]. {{storylink|A Rage in Heaven!}}

====''Classics''====
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[[File:Scrappercrossingover.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|left|Finally, Scrapper gets some "facetime."]]
In the fifteen years since the battle on [[Klo]], [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] was resurrected and had reclaimed portions of his previous army, including Scrapper and the other Constructicons. When the Decepticon [[Landquake (Timelines)|Landquake]] mysteriously appeared and claimed to be from another timeline, his body was scrutinized by [[Soundwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Soundwave]] and Scrapper. Scrapper's research led him to believe Landquake was telling the truth, noting that study of [[Unicron]] pointed towards the existence of parallel worlds and that Landquake's makeup was unlike any Transformer construction he was familiar with.

Furthermore, he announced to Megatron that an anomaly in [[South America]] radiated identical wavelengths as Landquake, something that might merit further inspection. Scrapper's only mistake was suggesting the hypothetical help of Shockwave would be appreciated, resulting in violence upon his person from Megatron. Regardless, Megatron agreed that the anomaly demanded his attention, and while Scrapper was instructed to pry deeper into Landquake's energon readings, the Decepticon commander accompanied the rest of his troops to South America. {{storylink|Crossing Over, Part 2}}

Scrapper and the other Decepticons arrived at their destination, where they met the Autobots in battle. Megatron ordered him and the Constructicons to merge into Devastator, which they did. [[Grimlock (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Grimlock]] attempted to take on Devastator singlehandedly, and did meet with some success when Devastator stepped into a sinkhole and fell apart into his component Constructicons. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 3}} Now separated, the Constructicons were being beaten ruthlessly by the Dinobot Commander, and so Scrapper ordered the Constructicons to flee and regroup. Grimlock "helped" them along by picking up Scrapper and throwing him into the others. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 5}} Eventually, as a group, the Constructicons were able to subdue Grimlock, but by then the battle was over and the Decepticons had no choice but to retreat. {{storylink|Crossing Over: Part 6}}

===Marvel Storybooks continuity===
Under the guise of the [[Global Corporation]], Scrapper and his fellow Constructicons created sophisticated buildings all around the world. Within each building, however, was hidden a mechanism that would trap underground all within the structure. When the scheme was put into motion and the Autobots responded with an attack, Scrapper and his fellow contructicons merged to become The Devastator. Though in this form, the Constructicons were able to overpower the Autobots, that changed when the Dinobots arrived. Scrapper and Hook were the first ones to die by Swoop's hand, when the Dinobot bombardier released missiles in Devastator's face at point-blank range. {{storylink|Battle for Earth}}

[[File:Constructicons-ASW.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.1|Scrapper is nonsarcastically the green and purple one.]]
As Devastator, Scrapper and the other Constructicons stumbled upon [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] admiring his reflection in the wilderness, and managed to capture the vain Autobot. The group revealed their individual components to their prisoner once he was safely locked up within Decepticon headquarters. They rejoined forces to combat an Autobot rescue party that attempted to storm Decepticon base, and captured [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] and [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] as well, putting them in Sunstreaker's cell. The Constructicons were once more prompted to combine into Devastator to contemplate an Autobot peace offering; a life-sized statue of the gestalt! The peace offering turned out to be an Autobot ruse, and reinforcement burst forth from within the statue. The Autobots forced Devastator to break up into his component pieces by thoroughly dividing his attention, and so Scrapper joined the fight against the Autobots as an individual. The Decepticons ultimately lost the battle to the Autobots. {{storylink|The Autobots' Secret Weapon}}
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===Marvel coloring books===
When the Decepticons learned that the Autobots had long ago lost a large shipment of Energon cubes at the Ark's original crash site, Galvatron ordered them to head to Mt. St. Hillary to uncover it. There, Scrapper and Bonecrusher used their [[alternate mode]]s to dig up the area. They engaged the Autobots in battle when they inevitably showed themselves. The brawl ended when Starscream scarfed down all of the Energon, and proceeded to pick a fight with Galvatron. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}
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===''Find Your Fate Junior''===
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====Dinobots Strike Back====
When the Decepticons discovered that the [[black coral]] in [[Dolphin's Bay]] could be processed into a limitless supply of superfuel that would make them more powerful than ever, Scrapper was charged with building all the equipment necessary to make it happen. To prevent any Autobot spies from learning of Operation Black Coral and making it back to the Ark, he booby-trapped an obvious trail through the woods at the base of [[Mount Lomas]] with a tripwire that would cause the ground to give way, dumping its victims into a cell in his supermodern underground lab. (It's unknown if any other [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] besides [[Gravedigger]] assisted him).

If [[you]] made enough bad choices, [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] became his first guests. Scrapper consulted his blueprints, looked at Bumblebee with an evil smile as he mentioned needing more materials to finish the power plant, politely thanked the pair for volunteering to assist him, then reduced them to scrap metal in 10 minutes. One by one, '''all''' the Autobots came looking for their missing friends and fell into Scrapper's trap, allowing him to build the entire plant out of their parts. Scrapper named his creation the [[Autobot Memorial Power Plant]], and laughed at having made them look so ''fuelish''! (get it?) {{storylink|Dinobots Strike Back}}

====Earthquake====
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In one possible path, wherein Beachcomber attempted to enter the Decepticons’ fortress by himself through the front door, he was jumped by Buzzsaw who immediately tore into Beachcomber. Buzzsaw was helped by Scrapper into disassembling the Autobot. Megatron then ordered his Decepticons to rebuild Beachcomber. In the process, the Decepticons planned to swap Beachcomber’s memory chip for a Destructicon chip, to create the perfect double agent. {{storylink|Earthquake (book)|Earthquake}}
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====Autobot Alert!====
In one possible scenario, the Constructicons were responsible for building the Decepticons’ command centre in the evil robots’ latest plot of taking over the Earth. They also were responsible for stocking Astrotrain with explosives and weapons before the Decepticon shuttle launched into space to further sabotage Earth’s satellites.

In a different possible scenario, the Constructicons joined Galvatron on his campaign to retrieve an ancient cybertite sphere containing the secret of an ancient Autobot power-booster. Discovering that the sphere was within a sunken ship off the California coast, the Constructicons merged into Devastator in order to retrieve it. {{storylink|Autobot Alert!}}
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===The Official ''Transformers: Generation 2'' Annual===
At Megatron's command, Scrapper constructed a pair of giant rocket engines on [[Clarke Atoll]], digging deep into the Earth. The Decepticons planned to turn the planet itself into a mobile base of operations, destroying human civilization as they propelled it through space. Despite Scrapper's desire to give his project a trial-run, Megatron insisted the engines were turned to full power immediately. Scrapper complied rather than risk enraging his superior, and begun the ignition sequence. But before the engines were fully operational, the Autobot flyers [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Deftwing]] swept in and overloaded their plasma coils. The resulting lava swell destroyed Scrapper's magnificent creation, forcing the Decepticons to flee from the resultant volcanic eruption. {{storylink|Moving Day Planet Earth}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
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[[File:Scrappertww.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Construction vehicles are green on Cybertron, too.]]
Nine million years ago, a young [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] staged a Decepticon uprising and sieged [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] to smokescreen his true designs. Long-buried [[planetary engine]]s from [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s similarly buried past were to be refitted by Scrapper and his Constructicons in order to convert their planet into a galaxy-faring war world. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}} While Megatron had gone briefly missing during battle, Scrapper was ordered by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to accelerate the process, despite the Constructicon's misgivings. Their hasty actions could tear the planet apart! In the end, Starscream gave Scrapper a choice: mechaform Iacon, or get mechaformed by [[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within #5}} As Scrapper predicted, the region went under a major upheavel, and he and the other Transformers in the area were forced to abandon their work as everything exploded. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}}

The war entered a [[Dark Ages|dark age]] when both [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and Megatron were presumed lost forever in a space bridge accident. During this time, the technology of combining (and thus Devastator himself) was invented, but Devastator and other super robots were declared non-allied by the [[Crisis Intervention Accord]] to stave off an arms race that would escalate the war to frightening levels. Despite this, [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]'s [[Ultracon]]s secretly enlisted Scrapper and his Constructicons. {{storylink|Escalation}} Devastator was unleashed upon the [[Wrecker]]s in the [[Tagan Heights]], but was defeated by the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] by overloading him with electricity. This not only shut Devastator down, but also forced him to split into his component 'bots. {{storylink|Devastation}}

During the Age of Internment, Scrapper was active at the Autobot detention block in [[Internment Camp Pi]] at [[Praxus]]. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.2}}

Millions of years later, after a subset of the Transformers war awoke on [[Earth]] in 1984, the Constructicons somehow found their way from Cybertron to Earth. They were defeated along with the other Decepticons in 1999, and subsequently lost for years following a [[Ark II|shuttle explosion]]. When they awoke in 2002, the Constructicons combined into Devastator and rampaged through [[San Francisco]]. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 5|Prime Directive #5}} Optimus Prime shot them in the head. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 6|Prime Directive #6}}

''After their defeat in California, the Constructicons were secretly rebuilt by Starscream, and Devastator became his personal enforcer after Megatron was kidnapped by the alien [[Keeper (species)|Keepers]], leaving Decepticon leadership up for grabs. Scrapper and many of the other Decepticons joined Starscream on a venture to assume control over the human city of [[Las Vegas]]. Their occupation was interrupted by a renegade human army and a trio of Autobots: [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]. Scrapper prepared for their invasion by booby-trapping a Michelin Tire Store. When that turned out to be a dumb idea, he decided to just shoot at the Autobots instead. Scrapper was taken out fast during the fight, however, when Grimlock knocked him into a pool of molten slag created by Mixmaster's chemical powers. The acidic heat knocked him off-line, and Scrapper had to be dragged to safety by his partners.'' {{storylink|Transformers: Hardwired|Hardwired}}

''Megatron eventually returned to Earth, but Scrapper and the Constructicons owed Starscream for reconstructing them, and so remained loyal to him when the Decepticons split into two factions. Of course, this only meant they were among the first to be captured by the Keepers when those aliens took over [[Las Vegas]] and turned Starscream into their puppet. Trapped behind an impenetrable force dome, Scrapper and the Constructicons attempted to batter their way out as Devastator using sheer brute force, until [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]] offered a better idea. Reconverting into their separate modes, the Constructicons dug a tunnel out beneath the force field, enabling Starscream's faction to join the final battle against the Keepers. Acting as Devastator, they were too far away from Optimus Prime and his [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]]-induced force shield when the American nuclear assault was dropped on the Keepers, and were blasted into pieces.'' {{storylink|Transformers: Annihilation|Annihilation}}

''The nuclear blast left Devastator fused into his singular [[robot mode]], leaving him unable to split back into Scrapper and his other components. Eventually, Devastator fell into the Void along with [[Omega Sentinel (G1)|Omega Sentinel]] in the final conflict with the Keepers, and was left in stasis lock, drifting in the vacuum of space, after the Sentinel destroyed the Keepers' power source and shattered the Void back into real space-time. The starship ''[[Bounty]]'', on a secret space mission from Earth, came across Devastator's remains and planned to tow him back to Earth.'' {{storylink|Transformers: Fusion|Fusion}}

The pieces of Scrapper and the Constructicons fell under the control of [[Earth Defense Command]], and were held in their Roswell facility for study. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}}

===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:Scrapperdevilsdue.jpg|100px|thumb|Scrapper calls Mindbender on a [http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=26329 hockey foul].]]
The ruthless terrorist organization known as [[Cobra]] dug dozens of Autobots and Decepticons out of their four-million-year resting place and began rebuilding them into a Cobra-controlled army. However, with [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s help, the mind-controlled Transformers were awakened, and the very cheesed-off Constructicons, including Scrapper, descended upon their previous captor, [[Doctor Mindbender]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #3}} Scrapper and Hook decided to kill Mindbender by dropping him into Mixmaster's mixing drum, but they were interrupted by Soundwave, who needed the doctor to work the [[SPS Satellite]] for him. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #4}}

Their surroundings were soon under attack by Autobot and [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] forces, requiring Scrapper and the other Constructicons to combine into Devastator. Ultimately, Devastator was brutally defeated after the Decepticon fatally wounded [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], sending the fallen Autobot's friends into a berserker rage. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #5}}
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===''The Beast Within''===
During a brutal all-out Decepticon offensive, Scrapper battled Sideswipe. He and his fellow Constructicons were blown away by an explosion. Then, Scrapper joined with the other Constructicons to form Devastator in order to combat [[Beast (G1)|The Beast]], the Dinobots’ combined form. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}
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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2]]; [[All Hail Megatron issue 1|Transformers: All Hail Megatron #1]] (modern era)

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Scrapper and his team of Constructicons were apparently put out of work due to the labor shortages masterminded by [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]]. Rather than sitting idly by and collecting roboto-unemployment checks, the Constructicons became involved with the [[Gladiatorial combat|illegal fighting ring]] operating in [[Kaon (polity)|Kaon]], dedicating their talents to quickly creating a combat arena at each new site of the tournaments, modifying scrap on hand for their needs. Scrapper witnessed firsthand the level of brutality [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] could reach outside the ring when he executed the Autobot surveyors, [[Fastback (G1)|Fastback]] and [[Bumper (G1)|Bumper]]. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 2|Megatron Origin #2}} The Constructicons also worked on the fighters themselves, repairing them after fights and installing new weapons on them. {{storylink|Megatron Origin issue 3|Megatron Origin #3}}

As the war began in earnest between the Autobots and Decepticons, Scrapper and the Constructicons remained loyal followers of Megatron. Four million years ago, Scrapper was part of a convoy along with [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]], [[Octane]] and his fellow Constructicons bringing energon to the war effort. They were intercepted and captured by [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] and [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]]. {{storylink|The Iron Age}}
The Constructions battled against the Autobots when they made an assault on the [[Citadel]]. {{storylink|Broadcast}}
As the war began in earnest between the Autobots and Decepticons, the Constructicons remained loyal followers of Megatron. At one point they were stationed on [[Varas Centralus]] alongside [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] and [[Sky-Byte (RID)|Sky-Byte]], where they committed some atrocity that was enough to cause Sky-Byte to abandon the Decepticon cause. {{storylink|A Better Tomorrow}}

[[File:Scrapperburns.jpg|right|upright=1.5|thumb|But seriously, folks—*Boom!*]]

Millions of years later, the Constructicons arrived on Earth. Having obtained combiner technology, Scrapper and his team merged into Devastator and made short work of the Autobot unit on the planet. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 7|All Hail Megatron #7}} With those goody-two-shoes out of the way, the Decepticons moved on to conquer the planet, starting with [[New York City]]. As the Constructicons transformed and revealed themselves in the middle of the city, Scrapper told the humans that they were aliens from another world, who had come to spread a message of peace and unity. A confused Hook looked at Scrapper, then they shared a laugh and proceeded to kill things. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 1|All Hail Megatron #1}} After a good while of random destruction, Scrapper ordered his team to combine so they could take out the tunnels leading in and out of New York. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 2|All Hail Megatron #2}} When the city had fallen, Scrapper listened to Megatron's victory speech. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 4|All Hail Megatron #4}}

The Constructicons later joined [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]]'s rebellion against Megatron, as the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]'s logical arguments had apparently appealed to them. Scrapper mocked Megatron with a sarcastic "All hail Megatron" before forming Devastator and attacking him. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 10|All Hail Megatron #10}} Before Devastator could kill his former leader, however, he found himself under attack by human jets. He managed to get rid of those, only to be attacked by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] instead. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 11|All Hail Megatron #11}} The battle ended when Omega blasted Devastator straight through the torso, defeating the Constructicons. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 12|All Hail Megatron #12}}

[[File:IDWongoing2 Scrapper Tankor.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.6|D-I-I-I-I-I-E MAXIMA— I mean, AUTOBOTS!!]]
In the two years that followed, Scrapper was separated from his fellow Constructicons. He joined up with a rag-tag group of Decepticons left behind on Earth, and helped rescue [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] from the ruins of New York. Scrapper was seemingly hoping that the elite Seeker would lead their little group, but Thundercracker was not interested, and instead leadership fell to [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 3: "Seasons in Flight"|Seasons in Flight}} Seeking revenge on Omega Supreme for the Constructicons' earlier defeat, Scrapper and Swindle led their group into battle with Hot Rod and the Autobots who had gathered around the defense base. After Scrapper was briefly strangled by an invisible [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]], the battle ended on an oddly peaceful note when Swindle suggested that the Autobots and Decepticons join forces to get off Earth together. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 1: "New Arrivals, Old Encounters"|New Arrivals, Old Encounters}}

Together with the newly liberated Hook and Mixmaster, Scrapper began building a starship for the mixed Cybertronians to use, but unfortunately, Hot Rod would not allow them to free any more Constructicons. When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ultra Magnus]] turned up to investigate [[Ironhide (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ironhide]]'s death and subsequently fired upon Swindle, Scrapper transformed in response to defend his his group leader. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 3: "Seasons in Flight"|Seasons in Flight}}

As the Decepticons ultimately turned against their Autobot "friends", Scrapper gleefully tried to crush [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] with his bare hands until Thundercracker blasted the Constructicon for a loop. After the new gestalt [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] was defeated, Swindle escaped from Autobot and Skywatch custody along with some Constructicons, including Scrapper. {{storylink|Things Fall Apart, Part 5: "Earthworks"|Earthworks}}

[[File:TheTransformers8 Scrapper pinned down.jpg|right|upright=1.5|thumb|I get a spotlight like the popular characters and you kill me off [[Mike Costa|Costa]]?! Wait, what do you mean it's not a spotlight? DAMMIT!]]
Scrapper hid in a construction site, but [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]] knew about his hiding place. In reaction to Devastator killing [[Tim Simmons|a friend of his]] when he destroyed the New York tunnel, Spike tracked Scrapper down, blinded him with acid and trapped him beneath some steel beams. Scrapper tried to surrender, but Spike explained that he wasn't there to take him in, but rather to prove that a single human could defeat a Transformer and to put a stop to the threat of Devastator forever. He then used the helpless Scrapper's gun to blow his head off. {{storylink|Scrapper (issue)|Scrapper}}

When the Decepticons captured by Skywatch were broken out by the Decepticons who left Earth, Blitzwing was seen carrying Scrapper's body away. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 1: The Demolished Man|The Demolished Man}} They subsequently scanned his mind and viewed his final memories in life. In a confrontation with Optimus Prime, Megatron mentioned Scrapper's fate and used Witwicky's execution of a surrendered combatant (and the cover-up that followed) as a reason why no humans could be trusted, not even Prime's closest comrades. After the battle, Optimus ordered [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] to investigate Scrapper's murder, apparently seeking truth and justice. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons Part 5: Enemy Mine|Enemy Mine}}

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The other Decepticons brought Scrapper's corpse with them when Megatron summoned them to Cybertron, where the other Constructicons still proved capable of combining with it (sorry Spike). However, Devastator was left with a paralyzed right leg, which led to his defeat in a battle with the Autobots. {{storylink|Chaos Part Three: Kings}}

Even after the Constructicons were rebuilt into a more modular design with Hook replacing Scrapper as Devastator's right leg, Scrapper still lived on in the minds of his old team members. Quite literally as part of the gestalt process erodes the participants' individuality. As such, Prowl, who had become the sixth member of Devastator's components, had been unintentionally referring to other Constructicons as "Scrapper" after combining with them a few times. When Devastator saw Spike again, he was immediately overcome with homicidal rage at how Spike had killed Scrapper, "killing" Devastator's gestalt mind. {{storylink|Onyx Interface Part Three: ONoffON|ONoffON}} {{storylink|The Onyx Interface Conclusion: The Obliterati|The Obliterati}}

Later, Starscream used the [[Enigma of Combination]] to upgrade the Constructicons and include his follower [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] into the mix, resulting in Hook regaining his head and shoulders position and Scoop taking Scrapper's place as the [[:File:YouMeAndTheUniverse-Scoopcolors.jpg|(sometimes discolored)]] right leg. {{storylink|You, Me, and the Universe}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
Scrapper and the other Constructicons formed Devastator to attack the [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] starship ''[[Defiant (G.I. Joe)|Defiant]]'', successfully destroying one of its two modules. Devastator was blown back into his components when [[Wild Bill]] rammed the other module straight into him. {{storylink|Targetmasters (issue)|Targetmasters}}
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===''Transformers: All Spark''===
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===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
Scrapper, Long Haul and Scavenger all battled Megatron in the ruins of an old coliseum, but he easily overpowered them all. Upon overhearing Windbade say that Starscream possessed the [[Enigma of Combination]], Long Haul signaled a plan to Scrapper and the other Constructicons, and they later formed Devastator in an attempt to take the Enigma for themselves. {{storylink|Unforgotten}} In the aftermath of the [[Combiner Wars (event)|Combiner Wars]], Scrapper was among those assisting with the reconstruction efforts. {{storylink|Aftermath and Rebirth}}

==Commercial appearances==
*Scrapper and his teammates were masquerading as construction vehicles, when they suddenly decided to horrify their human operators by revealing their true nature. As their human drivers bailed out and fled, the team combined into Devastator, who crashed his fists together, creating a surge of energy that crackled all the way through his gigantic body. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Constructicons|Constructicons commercial}}
*After being upgraded into their "Generation 2" bodies, the Constructicons went about causing "really big destruction" by driving through a construction site and then merging into [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. Their fun came to an end when [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] emerged from the ground and trounced the combiner. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 2#Constructicons and Dinobots|Generation Constructicons and Dinobots commercial}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{Note|Scrapper is a non-playable character. He appears among the legion of Decepticon duplicates in the Autobot campaign.}}
{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
At some point [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] was friends with the Constructicons, but they had a falling out. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (Legends)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

The Constructicons, including Scrapper, ambushed an Autobot rescue team that was attempting to rescue [[Powerglide (G1)|Powerglide]]. For a short while, Scrapper found himself discussing construction techniques with [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]] and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]], until a squad of Decepticons arrive to remind him he was supposed to be shooting the Autobots, not being friendly with them. {{storylink|The Master Builders (Legends)|The Master Builders}}

The Decepticon team took over an asteroid orbiting Earth, however when Omega Supreme got wind of it, he launched a massive attack and Scrapper was among the casualties. {{storylink|The Secret of Omega Supreme (Legends)|The Secret of Omega Supreme}}

Scrapper and the Constructicons built a [[Transfixatron]], which they used to trap the Autobots in their alternate modes during a charity race. Unfortunately it turned out that the Autobots were still capable fighters even as cars, and the Decepticons were driven off. {{storylink|Autobot Run}}
===''Transformers: Devastation''===
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===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
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[[File:Battle-Tactics-Scrapper-(G2).jpg|thumb|400px]]
Scrapper participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He appeared in multiple different bodies:
*''Scrapper'' — This Super Rare character first appeared in the "Devastator's Demolition" event, and could be recruited by collecting 250 units of Cybermetal, 75 units of Transmetal, and 10 cores of this character.
*''Scrapper (G2)'' — This Super Rare character first appeared in the "Devastator's Metal War" event, and could be recruited by collecting 250 units of Cybermetal, 75 units of Transmetal, and 10 cores of this character.
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===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:ScrapperEarthWars.jpg|thumb|upright=2|]]
Scrapper is a master of designing and building "stealth monuments": fortresses and power plants that blend seamlessly into the landscape, whether that landscape is on Cybertron or Earth.

This sly and malevolent genius is highly regarded by Megatron, and Scrapper takes all the praise he can get. His carbon-steel scoop can lift over 30 tons and he possesses a levitation wing that allows for solo air travel. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Scrapper character bio}}

With Hook, Scrapper was on an operation with Starscream to claim a piece of the[[ Fractal Map]] but failed to do so when Bludgeon stopped the operation under Megatron's command. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Power Play Campaign}}

When the rest of the [[Constructicon (G1)| Constructicons]] came through the Space Bridge, Megatron eagerly combined the Combiner team to form DEVASTATOR!
{{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars|Combiner Wars Campaign}}

*'''Class:''' Warrior
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 1 star
*'''Weapons:''' Scrapper uses his pistol on a target, then closes in and smashes it with his fists.
*'''Ability:''' '''Defensive Rush''' - Put a protective shield that blocks 80% damage for 6 seconds (level 1), then charge the target.
**'''Cost''': 4 ability points +1 for reuses.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:scrapper| Scrapper at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

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==Toys==
===Generation 1===
[[File:Scrapper toy.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Instructions for robot mode: Stand up, flip out legs, tilt back scoop. [[GEEWUN]] FOREVER!]]
*'''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, [[1985]]/[[1986]])
**''Team ID number:'' '''3'''
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''32'''
**''Accessories:'' [[Laser pistol]], Super Wing

:Scrapper was originally from [[TakaraTomy|Takara]]'s [[Pre-Transformer]]s ''[[Diaclone]]'' toyline, as Construction Vehicle Robot No. 3 Shovel-dozer. Scrapper transforms into a bright green wheeled payloader. He can form the '''Attack Payloader''' mode by attaching the "Super Wing" (Devastator's chest piece) onto the rear of his [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]].

:Scrapper can combine with the other Constructicons to form [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], forming the gestalt's right leg.

:On the European continent, Scrapper was initially released individually alongside the other Constructicons by Hasbro's subsidiary [[Milton Bradley]] (MB) in 1985.<ref name="mbredtr">[http://www.tf-1.com/articles/eurous/mb_template.html "Milton Bradley and the red TF Tracks"] at TF-1.com.</ref><ref name="mbcollection">[http://20thcenturytoycollector.com/transformers/mb-transformers-collection/ "MB Transformers Collection"] at 20th Century Toy Collector.</ref> In 1986, Scrapper and the other Constructicons were re-released in Europe, albeit this time in "Hasbro"-branded packaging (but manufactured by [[Joustra]]). The main difference with all other releases thus far was that the Constructicons' main color was now ''yellow'' instead of green.<ref name="frenchcon">[http://tfsource.com/blog/french-connection/ "French Connection"] at the TF Source blog.</ref><ref name="europestrange">[http://tfsource.com/blog/europes-strangest-attractions/ "Europe's Strangest Attractions"] at the TF Scource blog.</ref><ref name="frenchconst">[http://www.fredsworkshop.com/vjap6.html "French TFs: G1 Yellow Constructicons"] at Fred's Workshop.</ref> These are ''not'' to be confused with the later, ''non''-combining yellow European Constructicons, nor with the yellow ''Generation 2'' Constructicons (see below for both).

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1985/Decepticon/Scrapper/scrapper.htm More information on Generation 1 Scrapper at TFU.info]''

*'''Devastator''' (Giftset, 1985)
**''Japanese ID number:'' '''37'''

:Scrapper was also available as part of the Devastator gift set that was available in several markets, including the United States and Japan. Rumors are that an MB-branded Devastator giftset was also released in continental Europe, but thus far no packaged sample has surfaced.<ref name="mbcollection"/>
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*'''Constructicon''' (Constructicon, [[1992]])

:Another yellow European exclusive version of Scrapper, in colors very similar to the previous yellow European release, although the canopy was now cast in gray instead of yellow plastic. The main difference was that this version, just like the other Constructicons, came with no Devastator parts. This toy was also not officially named, as he came on a standardized card also used by the other Constructicons.
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===Generation 2===
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*'''Scrapper''' (Constructicon, [[1993]])
**''Team ID number:'' '''3'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser pistol, Super Wing

:[[Redeco]]s of all six Constructicons were released individually as part of the first assortments of ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)|Generation 2]]'' products. The first—and seemingly more common—versions were yellow like the previous European release, but had some minor color, deco and tooling differences. In Scrapper's case, the purple plastic parts were slightly brighter, the canopy was yellow again (like on the ''first'' European yellow version), and—most importantly—like all the ''Generation 2'' Constructicons, Scrapper came with the extra parts necessary to form Devastator again.

:A later and seemingly less common run changed the yellow plastics to rich orange. It has been rumored that this release was only available in [[KB Toys]] stores, but not verified.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1993/Decepticon/Scrapper/scrapper.htm More information on ''Generation 2'' Scrapper at TFU.info]''
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===Classics===
[[File:Scrapperclassics.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|His bio says he's a "quiet psycho". Charming!]]
*'''Constructicon Devastator''' (Wal-Mart exclusive, [[2007]])
**''Accessories:'' Claw weapon thing, [[energon star]]

:"Decepticon Scrapper" is one of the five toys included in this [[Walmart]] [[exclusive]] giftset. He's a grey and black [[redeco]] of ''[[Transformers: Energon (toyline)|Energon]]'' [[Bonecrusher (Energon)|Bonecrusher]] and [[Sledge (Energon)|Sledge]], transforming into a wheeled front-end loader green and purple trim. He can also form a leg or arm to any ''Energon''-series "[[Powerlinx]] [[Combiner]]" super robot, though his nominal placement is as the left leg of Constructicon Devastator. He is equipped with two translucent purple accessories; a rake-like weapon and a "super energon" Decepticon-style [[energon star]].

: This sculpt was also used to make ''[[Transformers: Classics|Classics]]'' [[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] from the same giftset.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/2007/Decepticon/ClassicsScrapper/scrapper.htm More information on ''Classics'' Scrapper at TFU.info]''
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===Encore===
*'''Devastator''' (reissue giftset, [[2011]])
**''ID number:'' '''20'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser pistol, Super Wing

:Scrapper was reissued in a giftset with his Constructicon teammates as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' line. Apparently cast from a newly created mold, given the presence of a Tomy copyright stamp rather than the original Hasbro/Takara one, Scrapper sports a few minor differences from the original figure, including squared off fist-holes, and solid knees where the original toy featured small holes.

*'''Devastator''' (reissue giftset, [[2013]])
**''ID number:'' '''20A'''
**''Accessories:'' Laser pistol, Super Wing

:Scrapper was ''again'' reissued in a giftset in 2013 as part of [[TakaraTomy]]'s ''[[Transformers Encore|Encore]]'' line, this time in a more 'anime accurate' color scheme. In addition to the mold changes of the 2011 version, Scrapper is also a slightly different color and features more cartoon-accurate paint applications on his optics.
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===Generations===
[[File:CombinerWarsScrapper.jpg|upright=1.67|thumb|I've been gone for 4 years and I get replaced [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|by]] [[Scoop (G1)|WHO?!]]]]
*'''Devastator''' (gift set, 2015)
**''Accessories'': Missile launchers/hands, two-piece gun, chest plate/gun, 2 swords
:''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)|Combiner Wars]]'' Constructicon Scrapper is an all-new Voyager-sized figure that forms Titan Class Devastator's right leg. His face-scupt is considered to be a much bigger and more accurate version of his original G1 counterpart (the latter sometimes lack paint job for his visor). He's packaged with the other Constructicons in a massive box. This Devastator currently holds the record of being the tallest combiner toy released to date.

:Unmentioned in the instructions, the two swords/wing pieces can mount on the back of his vehicle mode to form the "Attack Payloader" mode that the original toy had. The overall proportions of his front loader mode are somewhat similar to ''Generations'' [[Scoop_(G1)#Generations|Scoop]]'s.

:Although a rare occurrence for a toy of his size, Scrapper lacks elbow joints. This was claimed to be done to maintain Devastator's structural stability since, as with the G1 toy, Scrapper's arms form the back segments of Devastator's right foot.

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[[File:TF-Combiner-Wars-SDCC-Devastator-Scrapper.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Devastator''' (gift set, 2015)
**''Accessories'': Missile launchers/hands, two-piece gun, chest plate/gun, 2 swords
:A redeco of the above Scrapper figure also available as part of a gift set, featuring extensive [[paint operation]]s and [[vacuum metallizing|vacuum metallized]] purple parts. The packaging of this set is designed to evoke both Bonecrusher's shovel and Devastator's head, and its interior is designed to resemble the title image of Devastator on his wiki page.

:In the U.S., this set (also referred to as "Devastator Special Edition" in a Hasbro press release) was exclusive to the [[Hasbro Toy Shop]] website and the Hasbro Toy Shop booth at [[San Diego Comic-Con]] 2015. In Asia, it was also available at Animation-Comic-Game Hong Kong 2015 and subsequently stocked by Toys"R"Us Hong Kong. Later, it was also available at The Falcon's Hangar booth at Singapore Toy, Game & Comic Convention 2015.

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===Unite Warriors===
[[File:TF-Unite-Warriors-Scrapper.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb]]
*'''Devastor''' ('''Devastator''') (Gift set, 2015)
**''Japanese release date'': 2015-[[December 12|12-12]]
**''Japanese ID Number'': '''UW-04'''
**''Accessories'': Missile launchers/hands, two-piece gun, chest plate/gun, 2 swords, 6 rifles

:Takara's Scrapper, included in the ''[[Transformers Unite Warriors|Unite Warriors]]'' Devastor set, has some deco changes to better match the G1 cartoon, most notably painted rims and a much darker face. He now includes his classic handgun. Most significantly, this version of the figure was [[retool]]ed to have functioning elbows; they lock (very tightly) in place when used for his leg mode. Less significantly, this version's hands and wrist-joints have been modified such that when flipped out in leg mode, the hands become flat, stable additional supports.
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===Vintage G1===
[[File:Walmart-Vintage-G1-Constructicons.jpg|thumb|300px]]
*'''Devastator''' (Walmart exclusive reissue, 2018)
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==Merchandise==
===Decoy===
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*'''Destron Hero Collection 22''' (Decoy multi-pack, 1985)

:In Japan, a purple rubber mini-figure of Scrapper was available in part of a [[Decoy|massive multi-pack of similar mini-figurines]]. The number etched into his back is the sum total of his [[Tech Spec]] ratings, as these figurines were used as game pieces for a variety of ''Transformers'' board games in which this number had some meaning to how the game was played or something. Scrapper has a weird-looking face.

*'''Scrapper''' (Decoy, [[1987]])
**''Decoy number'': '''47'''

:The [[Hasbro]] [[Decoy]] release of the Scrapper game piece is almost identical to the Japanese version, except the number on his back is a simple "checklist" number. Like all Decepticon Decoys, he was a randomly-chosen pack-in available with the carded [[Throttlebot]]s, [[Combaticon (G1)|Combaticons]], [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] and [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]]. Early Throttlebots were packaged with red Decepticon decoys: these are much rarer than the purple ones.

::*''[http://www.tfu.info/1986/Decepticon/Decoys/Scrapper/scrapper.htm More information on Decoy Scrapper at TFU.info]''

===The Loyal Subjects===
[[File:Tlsscrapper.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|Constructicons, merge to form.. ah, crap. Bonecrusher is hard to find.]]
:[[The Loyal Subjects]] Scrapper is a Wave 3 figure with standard articulation. He features a hinged shovel backpack, as well as some sound effects. Scrapper also wields his classic gun. For every 16 figures, there are two Scrappers.

:Like most of his wave, his bio card plagiarizes this wiki article's opening paragraph.
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==Notes==
*The [[The Transformers (cartoon)|original ''The Transformers'' cartoon]] [[production bible|series bible]] contains a description of Scrapper typed with the name "'''Gravedigger'''", then crossed out by hand and rewritten "Scrapper". This name would [[Gravedigger|actually appear in fiction]], though applied to [[Long Haul (G1)|a different Constructicon]].
*The name "Payload" was used for Scrapper in the script for "[[Day of the Machines]]" (in a scene that didn't make it into the finished episode), but that may have been a misreading of his profile page from the briefing binder, rather than a legitimate pre-production name. His profile in the binder features the description for his alternate mode, "tractor shovel", crossed out with "payloader" written in its place, but the "-er" blends into the redaction line, and might have been overlooked by the writer in haste, leaving him to think the character's name was "Payload".
*As noted above, Scrapper's original toy has a third mode called "Attack Payloader", formed by sticking the purple "Super Wing" that forms Devastator's chestplate on top of Scrapper's payloader mode. As his [[The Transformers Universe|Marvel Universe]] entry notes, this allows him to fly at 60 mph over a range of 250 miles, although Scrapper has yet to use this ability in fiction.
*Despite being the (nominal) leader of the Constructicons, Scrapper forms one of Devastator's legs, rather than his head and/or body. This contradicts the pattern established with most subsequent Transformers combining teams.
*In recent years, toys sporting the name "Scrapper" require an additional prefix for [[trademark]] reasons, hence making the official name "'''Decepticon Scrapper'''" or "'''Constructicon Scrapper'''".

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Scrapper''' (スクラッパー ''Sukurappā'')
*''French:'' '''Bricolo''' (Canada), '''Bagaro''' (Canada Generation 2)
*''Hungarian:'' '''Boxoló'''
*''Italian:'' '''Ringhio''' ("Growl")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Chǎn Tǔ Jī''' (铲土机, "Scraper")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Despedaçador''' (Portugal comic), '''Retalhador''' (Brazil comic)
*''Russian:'' '''Skrebok''' (Скребок, "Scraper")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Smittyar''' (ICTV dub, Сміттяр, "Trasher")

==References==
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[[Category:Classics Decepticons]]
[[Category:Combiner Wars]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Constructicons]]
[[Category:Decoys]]
[[Category:Dreamwave Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Engineers]]
[[Category:Generation 1 cartoon Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Decepticons]]
[[Category:IDW Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Legends Decepticons]]
[[Category:The Headmasters Decepticons]]
[[Category:Ultracons]]
[[Category:Unite Warriors Decepticons]]
[[Category:Wal-Mart exclusives]]
[[Category:Wings Universe Decepticons]]

Talk:Deus ex Machina

2018-09-23T17:58:58Z

Waverod:

"Ex" may be a preposition, but the Hub website capitalizes it in the title. How much do we care? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 21:42, 11 March 2011 (EST)
:I've always preferred to capitalize all words in a title, but that's just me. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 23:17, 11 March 2011 (EST)
::We should default to how the title is spelled "canonically," but the general rule is that some words are not capitalized when in titles, such as most prepositions. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:04, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:::The problem with ''Prime'' is that it doesn't show episode titles inside the episodes themselves. I guess we could default to the next most official rendition of the title, but I've never liked using websites as the end-to-be-all for anything. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 01:26, 12 March 2011 (EST)
::::Of course, they'd probably be in all caps. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:34, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:::::What about the info box on the on-screen menu for Comcast? There they spell it with the preposition capitalized. [[User:TheMZone|TheMZone]] 00:41, 13 March 2011 (EST)
::::::Also, the Verizon FiOS DVR system stores by episode titles and also list the episode as "Deus Ex Machina" with the capitalized "Ex" --[[User:G1MarvelBlaster|G1MarvelBlaster]] 13:29, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:::::::I know this is old, but in fact, in Latin (the source language of the phrase, even though the idea is Greek) it would be capitalized as ''Deus ex machina'' with only the first word capitalized anyway, so I don't know that we need to care too much. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 13:58, 23 September 2018 (EDT)

Is it an error that the kids didn't think to wear gloves or masks when they broke into the museum? --[[User:Fortress Minimus|Fortress Minimus]] 19:34, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== "It's harvest time." ==

In the "Trivia", it's said that: ''"In the previous episode's promotion for this episode, Starscream utters the line "It's harvest time." while pointing the harvester at something. However that scene is not present in the finished episode."''

After watching the episode, I thought back at that promo; in my opinion, the line ''"It's harvest time"'' (said by Starscream during the episode, when he is still on board the "Nemesis") has been added into the promo in the scene where Starscream points the Energon Harvester towards the Vehicon and activates it.

So, it looks like the scene is not actually missing from the episode. Only that line is missing, for it has been said earlier. --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 07:54, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:Correct. I don't really think this is worth a "Note" line, as it is a longstanding TV and film trailer tradition and has certainly happened in Transformers before. "Depth Charge. Depth Charge. Depth Charge? IIIIIIIIIII LIKE THAT! It's not revenge I'm looking for. Ignore the pain!" --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 09:19, 12 March 2011 (EST)
:: That's what I've been thinking, too. I guess that that note in "Trivia" may be removed then, since no error occured actually. --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 10:11, 12 March 2011 (EST)

== Battle Damage = Animation Error? ==

When Bulkhead grabs the harvester from Starscream, he yanks it out of 'Scream's hand and then punches him into a wall. Otherwise, Starscream seems undamaged. Just before Starscream retreats, however, his arm appears to be covered in glowing red wounds of some kind—well, I think that's what they are. Hard for me to tell on my recording. At any rate, the arm doesn't look the same as it did when the harvester was taken from him. Error, or am I overlooking something obvious?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 00:10, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
:That's his arm cannon that also appeared in "Darkness Rising, Part 4". Yes, his face didn't have any chips or cracks at all when he retreated, which was an odd oversight. [[User:Alientraveller|Alientraveller]] 05:36, 14 March 2011 (EDT)
::In my opinion, it looks like in this series plenty of robots can recover pretty quickly from their damages. In the last part of "Darkness Rising", Arcee is carried back through the GroundBridge by Bumblebee barely alive (as Ratchet looks at the Autobot's energy signatures, reading one of those as "very faint"). A few seconds later not only she regains consciousness, but she is also able to stand on her feet.

::In other episodes (i.e. Con Job), some robots are shown with a trail of coughed up energon close to their mouths (namely: Starscream and Makeshift -disguised as Wheeljack-), but it takes only a change of scene to get rid of said trail and be fine again. So, I wouldn't be surprised to see also Starscream recovering that fast from Bulkhead's punch. --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 08:37, 14 March 2011 (EDT)

== Miko's phone ==

In the section "Trivia" it is written that: ''"When Miko takes a picture and puts the cellphone display in front of the security camera, the picture comes out flawless on the guard´s screen. In real life, it would look blurry."''

In addition to that, shouldn't a cellphone's display turn off after a few seconds (or a few minutes, according to its settings)? --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 11:08, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
: According to its settings, it's possible it won't turn off at all. (That's why they're settings!) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:13, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
::I understand, I just didn't know that kind of settings could exist (I own a cellphone, but I never changed those settings about that "turning-off time" of the display). That's why I asked. --[[User:Sharky7|Sharky7]] 16:25, 22 March 2011 (EDT)

== Confined Space ==

Is it an error that despite all the dangers mentioned in "Convoy", ratchet is able to ground bridge jack, miko and raf into a confined space? or is this just because the museum wasnt moving at 90 miles per hour?-Timmyformers0001
:One assumes so! Once Raf used his science to pinpoint the train and track it, Ratchet was OK with bridging them into it, even though it was still a confined space. --[[User:Abates|abates]] 05:45, 9 April 2011 (EDT)

Talk:Raf Esquivel

2018-09-22T22:09:40Z

Waverod: /* Religion */

Seeing as Jack is 16, I ''severely'' doubt Raf is 15, though the statement about who-we-wish-we-were still stands.

Agreed, he is also very short.—[[User:TOM|TOM]] 17:02, 27 November 2010 (EST)
:: Episode 3 answers it. He's 12 and a half.. still -extremely- short even for the level of art stylization.

==Title change==
His name is Raf. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 06:13, 29 November 2010 (EST)
:Not according to his [http://www.hubworld.com/transformers/shows/prime/characters/raf official bio]. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 06:20, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::There's also the credits to take into account (and what he's called referred to); he has both, but it probably doesn't matter. -- [[User:Anythingspossibleforapossible|Anythingspossibleforapossible]] 09:28, 29 November 2010 (EST)
::It is a good point. Article titles are usually the character's most common nickname. Like Sam Witwicky or Jack Darby. Raf's character bio is even titled "Raf" but Jack's is titled "Jackson". - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:37, 29 November 2010 (EST)

== Sister ==

What's her name? It sounded like "Pelar" to me. [[Special:Contributions/82.15.246.28|82.15.246.28]] 00:17, 8 May 2011 (EDT)
: Yeah, it was hard to make out. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:21, 8 May 2011 (EDT)

== Ears ==

In the third part of [[Darkness Rising]] when Fowler is captured and the alarm goes off in Autobot HQ Raf is the only one of the kids who seems to be affected by it. In fact he makes a comment about it hurting his ears while Jack and Miko both show no signs of the siren doing anything other than making them wonder why it's going off. This certainly seems to suggest he's got much better hearing than they do. Could also explain how he understands Bumblebee. -annonymous, 6/03/2001. 1:59 AM EST

MiNd BlOwN. -Captain-lelouch, 7/17/2011. 9:50 PM EST

== Religion ==

Is Raf Esquivel Jewish? His name certainly sounds that way.

Anonymous[[Special:Contributions/173.57.44.147|173.57.44.147]] 15:39, 1 September 2012 (EDT)
:I don't recall the series getting into his ethnic or religious background. His large family is consistent with being Hispanic Catholic (which is also plausible with his full name), so I suppose someone could '''speculate''' that he is from ''converso'' stock, but I'd be surprised if something that specific was intended by the series creative staff (how many times do you see someone given such a specific background when it doesn't matter to the story?). We really only know that Miko is Japanese because she is an exchange student, which explains why here parents aren't there. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 18:09, 22 September 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Transformers: Cyberverse (cartoon)

2018-09-19T22:20:30Z

Waverod: /* Continuity family */

== No info yet (2017) ==

Nothing is known or rumored beyond the teaser? It just mentions the two chapters and seems to imply that Bumblebee will play a role in chapter 1. Any rumors, leaks, or other info that just isn't reliable enough? [[User:Cosmos1|Cosmos1]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 20:54, 10 October 2017 (EDT)

== Teaser image (2017) ==

This article has an image of some of the characters - should they be included in the main TFwiki article? http://comicbook.com/tv-shows/2017/10/14/transformers-cyberverse-animated-first-look/1 [[User:DoctorWhoFan|DoctorWhoFan]] ([[User talk:DoctorWhoFan|talk]]) 13:44, 01 November 2017 (GMT)

== Storing image for future use ==

[[File:Transformers Cyberverse Chapter One.jpg|thumb|right|250px|G3 cometh.]]
--[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:10, 14 November 2017 (EST)

== safe to assume if it's a sequel or not? ==

I think it might be it's own thing, given the cast.

Just tossing my hat in.

Also, when are we getting an airdate?[[User:Femtransfan|Femtransfan]] ([[User talk:Femtransfan|talk]]) 15:32, 20 April 2018 (EDT)
:There's no firm evidence either way, so it's too early to make any sort of call. Nor has there been any word on the release date or when we might get one. Best to be patient for now. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:39, 20 April 2018 (EDT)

== Instagram link in References ==

The link seems to be broken, for me at least. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 13:32, 24 June 2018 (EDT)
:It looks like the Instagram post was deleted, yeah. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 16:40, 24 June 2018 (EDT)

== More characters? ==

[https://transformers.hasbro.com/en-us/brands/cyberverse Hasbro's website] updated with a new page on the Cyberverse cartoon, revealing more characters. Shall these characters be added to the list by an admin? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 20:00, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
:Indeed! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 20:07, 3 July 2018 (EDT)
::Given pages have begun to be created, perhaps the page can be unlocked now? - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 22:18, 4 July 2018 (EDT)

== Character Links ==

Some of the characters already have their own pages. Can an admin please add links to all of the characters? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 11:46, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
:Yeah, it's past time for the "list of names not linked to any articles" thing to end. The articles are going up. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 12:48, 24 July 2018 (EDT)

== Arcee is shown in animation teasers ==

Arcee is seen in the sample of the cartoon. Please add her in! [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 15:08, 19 July 2018 (EDT)
: For those looking for verification, she can be seen behind Megatron's left leg during the panning shot after he shouts "I fight for you!" (Also, now that we're getting closer to launch and more information is surfacing, it might be wise to think about opening the page back up so we can properly keep up with official reveals.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:33, 19 July 2018 (EDT)

== Chromia in title sequence ==

Chromia can be seen in the title sequence in one of the hexagons flying by. Can an admin add her with a link or just lower the protection so registered users can edit it? [[User:Notirishman|notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 15:50, 20 July 2018 (EDT)

== Continuity family ==

I don't get why everyone is so hung up on the "it's not a sequel to anything so it is its own thing". Why can't it simply be a new universe within a previously existing continuity family? Specifically, a G1 universe. Think about it, the evergreen designs are based largely on the G1 characters and have been used in G1 media, so why not just say that evergreen designs are indicative of G1-ness? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:28, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
:I think it would add to the confusion. People could think the series is a direct sequel to the original G1 cartoon. New cartoons (at least the main ones that air in television) have always created new universes with them, except when it's a very explicit sequel to a previous cartoon. I believe the Wiki is just doing what it always does to keep things consistent, until an official confirmation is finally given.[[User:Fritz|Fritz]] ([[User talk:Fritz|talk]]) 18:14, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
::It would be an organizational nightmare for this wiki to treat Cyberverse as part of G1. And really, it's more like a General Reboot of Aligned, itself a General Reboot of Transformers-in-General. It's the Evergreen era and all the lines are blurred now, to even greater degree than they already were. But treating Cyberverse as it's own discreet thing is what makes the most sense. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 18:19, 27 August 2018 (EDT)
:::Perhaps as the show (and toyline, for that matter) go on, it will be easier to assign it to a continuity family -- or call it its own family. For right now, we don't really have much information. Yeah, there are ties the G1 family, but there usually are in any given series. There's also ties to Aligned and Movieverse. Let it play out, let more episodes air and more information get put out about it, and then we can figure out how to categorize it. For now, it's just a new thing. When it's not so new, we'll know how to treat it. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 18:20, 19 September 2018 (EDT)

Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1

2018-09-10T22:52:58Z

Waverod: /* Quotes */ fixing wikilink

{{disambig2|the ''Generation 1'' cartoon episode|the Legends event|Five Faces of Darkness: Part 1}}
{{episode
|series=G1toon
|prev=The Transformers: The Movie
|ep=66
|series2=2010
|ep2=1
|prev2=The Transformers: The Movie
|next2=Five Faces of Darkness, Part 2
|image=FHE-FFoD.jpg
|caption=Boy, I sure did love that part in "Five Faces of Darkness" where [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Powermaster Prime]], [[Mainframe (G1)|Mainframe]], [[Cloudburst]] and [[Rev]] fought a giant floating Quintesson head.
|title="Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1"
|production code=#700-86
|production company=[[Sunbow Productions]]
|animation studio=[[AKOM]]
|airdate=[[September 15]], 1986
|written by=[[Flint Dille]]
|continuity=[[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]]
}}
'''In the wake of Unicron's defeat, the battered Decepticons struggle to survive, and the Autobots enjoy a period of peace and celebration. But peace never lasts...'''

{{TOCclear}}
==Synopsis==
''The closing scenes of [[The Transformers: The Movie]] show us the destruction of [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] and the [[Autobot]]s' escape, along with their victory celebration on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]].''

It is the year [[2005]]. Autobots have reclaimed Cybertron while the [[Decepticon]]s, now squabbling with each other for [[energon]], retreated to the planet [[Chaar]]. [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] returns to the planet with a pitiful number of [[energon cube]]s, resulting in a tussle as the Decepticons fight for their share. [[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] realizes that to return the Decepticons to fighting form, they need drastic measures.

[[File:Blurr watching jazz.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Blurr would have that not-Jazz eat his vapor trails... instead he gets a date with rhyming boy.]]
Somewhere else, the first [[Galactic Olympics]] are being held. [[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]] is griping about being stuck in a mission with [[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] when he wants to join the events. But [[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]] wants them to go to [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on Earth, to deliver the new [[transformation cog]] for [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]], as his old one was damaged during the [[Battle of Autobot City|battle]] the [[The Transformers: The Movie|year before]].

Meanwhile, the Galactic Olympics are being sabotaged. A [[Skuxxoid]] detonates the Olympic flame, raining smoke down on the area and allowing a group of [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]] to land. The Autobots fight back, but in the confusion, [[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike]], [[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] are kidnapped. Rodimus Prime immediately suspects Decepticon shenanigans and orders the planet quarantined, but they are unable to prevent the Skuxxoid's spaceship from taking off. [[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Arcee]] and [[Springer (G1)|Springer]] set off to find a spacecraft of their own so they can pursue it.

[[File:FFOD1 Cyclonus in Unicron.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Cyclonus is looking for free porn.]]
Cyclonus, [[Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Scourge]] and the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] sneak into Unicron’s head, still orbiting Cybertron. They're able to access Unicron's memory banks and watch footage of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus]]'s battle with [[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]], culminating in the Decepticon leader being flung into space. Cyclonus then does some fast calculations and works out that Galvatron would eventually have reached the planet [[Thrull]]. There they see their leader soaking in the hot lava pools.

On Earth, [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] and [[Outback (G1)|Outback]] go to the [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Federated Republic of Carbombya]] to investigate [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] reports of Decepticons in that country. Despite the country's ruler, [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]], claiming that they would never harbour such criminals, the Autobots land. Outback, equipped with a “[[Decepticon detector]]”, then flushes out [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] and [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. The two Autobots get the coordinates of Chaar from them... which they report to Rodimus Prime who wants to go there to investigate.

[[File:FFOD1 Springer Arcee threaten Skuxxoid.jpg|left|upright=1.1|thumb|Oh, boy, kill'em! Kill'em all!]]
Arcee and Springer, meanwhile, have pursued the Skuxxoid to an asteroid, which he ducks behind. The Autobots follow, only for their ship to be seized by a huge claw. They evacuate the ship, only to find that the "asteroid" is actually a [[Rockeroid|disguised spacecraft]]. Springer hijacks it from the Skuxxoid, who escapes in his smaller ship and then calls his benefactor to confirm that the Autobots indeed suspect the Decepticons to be behind the disruption. The [[Quintesson|tentacled, egg-shaped benefactor]] listens to the report and then tunes out as he sees their prisoners, Spike, Kup and Ultra Magnus, being led by a Sharkticon.

[[File:FFOD1 Cyclonus Astrotrain energon.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|"It's probably just the Energon talking...but I love you, man."]]
Cyclonus, Scourge and the Sweeps return to Chaar, where the rest of the Decepticons are convinced that the solution to their problems is to have a strong leader again. They cheer when they hear that Galvatron lives, and are desperate enough that they give their remaining scraps of energon for reviving him. Rodimus Prime and [[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] are spying nearby. Rodimus almost pities them, while Grimlock finds it funny (giving a rather possessed-sounding chuckle). Rodimus realizes that the Decepticons are too down on their luck to be the ones responsible for the kidnappings. Their cover suddenly gets blown and the Decepticons attack.
{{--}}

==Featured characters==
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*[[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Rodimus Prime]] (1)
*[[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] (2)
*[[Arcee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Arcee]] (3)
*[[Jazz (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Jazz]] (4)
*[[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] (5)
*[[Cliffjumper (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cliffjumper]] (6)
*[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] (7)
*[[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]] (11)
*[[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] (12)
*[[Perceptor (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Perceptor]] (13)
*[[Slag (G1)|Slag]] (14)
*[[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] (15)
*[[Warpath (G1)|Warpath]] (24)
*[[Blurr (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blurr]] (25)
*[[Wheelie (G1)|Wheelie]] (26)
*[[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] (29)
*[[Outback (G1)|Outback]] (30)
*[[Grimlock (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Grimlock]] (34)
|c2=
{{collist|2|
*[[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] (16)
*[[Hook (G1)|Hook]] (17)
*[[Scavenger (G1)|Scavenger]] (17)
*[[Scrapper (G1)|Scrapper]] (17)
*[[Long Haul (G1)|Long Haul]] (17)
*[[Bonecrusher (G1)|Bonecrusher]] (17)
*[[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]] (17)
*[[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] (18)
*[[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]] (19)
*[[Kickback (G1)|Kickback]] (20)
*[[Cyclonus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Cyclonus]] (21)
*[[Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Scourge]] (22)
*[[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] (23)
*[[Galvatron (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Galvatron]] (28)
*[[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]] (32)
*[[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]] (33)
*[[Onslaught (G1)|Onslaught]] (35)
*[[Motormaster (G1)|Motormaster]] (36)
*[[Soundwave (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Soundwave]] (37)
*[[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] (38)
*[[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] (39)
*[[Blast Off (G1)|Blast Off]] (40)
*[[Drag Strip (G1)|Drag Strip]] (41)
*[[Breakdown (G1)|Breakdown]] (42)
*[[Wildrider (G1)|Wildrider]] (43)
*[[Octane]] (44)
*[[Tantrum (G1)|Tantrum]] (45)
*[[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]] (46)
*[[Dead End (G1)|Dead End]] (47)
}}
|c3=
*[[Spike Witwicky (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Spike Witwicky]] (9)
*[[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel Witwicky]] (10)
*[[Carly]] (28)
*[[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)|Abdul Fakkadi]] (31)
|c4=
*[[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]'s head (8)
*[[Skuxxoid]] (27)
*[[Quintesson]]s (34)
}}

==Quotes==
"Let's do it!" 
"Didn’t you want to say something about concord and tranquility in the galaxy?" 
"Aww, give me a break. ''Start the games!''"
:—'''Rodimus Prime''' and '''Ultra Magnus''' open the Galactic Olympics

"Ah, Rodimus is missing a few chips." 
"Nah, I was the same way until I got blown apart a few times."
:—'''Ultra Magnus''' and '''Kup'''

[[File:Grimlock happy.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Perceptor and Rodimus watch as Grimlock does a jaunty jig on the enemies' heads.]]
'''Cyclonus''': There’s nothing to fear; Unicron is dead. 
''[They hear a groan]'' 
'''Cyclonus''': Must be the wind. 
'''Scourge''': There ''is'' no wind in space. 
'''Cyclonus''': Quiet!
:—Cyclonus and Scourge learn that [[Unicron/Generation 1|daddy]]'s still home.

"Our charts don’t show any planets in that sector—no, wait. Here it is. I thought it was a smudge on the screen." 
"Yeah, that fits their description of Chaar."
:—'''Rodimus Prime''' and '''Outback'''

"Ah, the old hyperdrive-past-the-asteroid trick." 
"You'd think he'd do something more original!" 
''[A giant claw grabs and crushes their ship.] 
"You got any snappy last words?"
:—'''Springer''' and '''Arcee''' are suddenly and dramatically broken out of their cynicism.

"I say we pulverowderize the Autobots! I say we powderulverize 'em!"
:—'''Rumble'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s inspirational rally.

"If we surrender our energon, we're doomed." 
"If we don't, we're doomed, too." 
"Face it. We're doomed."
:—'''Dead End''' and '''Breakdown''' realize they're screwed.

"These guys are hurtin'. I never thought I’d feel sorry for the Decepticons." 
"Me Grimlock, not feel sorry. Me Grimlock laugh!" ''[snickers]''
:—'''Rodimus Prime''' pities the Decepticons, while '''Grimlock''' mocks them with a disturbing chuckle.

==Season 5==
{{note|When this episode was rebroadcast in [[The Transformers (cartoon)#Season 5|the fifth season]] of ''The Transformers'', it contained new bookending segments with original story material.}}
[[File:TommySurprisesPrime.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|"Gettin' real sicka yer shit, Tommy."]]
[[Powermaster]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Optimus Prime]] arrives in the barren wasteland looking for [[Tommy Kennedy|Tommy]], but he's nowhere to be found. Suddenly, Tommy climbs up on Prime's shoulder and screams, surprising the Autobot. Optimus is not happy with the joke, warning Tommy that he could have mistaken him for a Decepticon. Tommy doesn't understand Prime's attitude and asks if he's ever been surprised before. Prime says that few have ever ''tried'' to surprise him. However, he does recall "a time when the Autobots faced surprises at every turn". It was shortly after [[Unicron War|the war with Unicron]]...

Tommy finds the [[cliffhanger]] distressing and Optimus does nothing to calm his fears, promising that Rodimus and Grimlock were going "to get the electrons knocked out of them". Even worse, he warns Tommy that soon Rodimus would learn the startling identities of those who kidnapped Kup, Ultra Magnus and the others. Tommy begs Prime not to leave him hanging in suspense, eliciting satisfaction from the Autobot, who says he thought Tommy ''liked'' surprises. Prime then promises to tell him the next chapter of the story tomorrow, when he returns to transform Tommy's day into an adventure. He then sets Tommy back down in the barren wasteland and rocket-boots away into outer space.
{{--}}

==Notes==
===Continuity notes===
[[File:FFOD1 Dirge and Ramjet shot down.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*This episode picks up an unspecified amount of time after ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' (which had played in theaters during the summer preceding this episode's debut), and draws directly on many of its events. References include the [[Battle of Autobot City]], Unicron's head orbiting Cybertron, the loss of Optimus Prime, the rise of Galvatron and his lieutenants, the defeat of the Decepticons, and the Autobots regaining control of Cybertron.
*The episode even opens with some of the closing scenes from the movie. The scenes were re-soundtracked with the cartoon's standard background music for television airing. A second movie excerpt, also re-soundtracked, is used to show the end of Rodimus's battle with Galvatron.
*First appearances: Outback, Octane, Tantrum (who probably shouldn't be here yet) and Abdul Fakkadi.
* This episode also introduces the [[transformation cog]], which would become a recurring element of Transformers physiology in modern-day stories.
*Dirge's "Death comes to he who crosses me," line is a slight paraphrase of a line cut from the original ''[[The Transformers: The Movie|Transformers: The Movie]]'' script, "[http://www.camphortree.net/tf/tidbits/tftm_script.txt Death comes to anyone who crosses me.]" It was to be delivered aboard [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] as the Decepticons squabbled over leadership. Another iteration comes in the later episode "[[Starscream's Ghost]]" ("I know, I know - 'Death comes to anyone who hides behind my marker!'"), though Dirge is not mentioned by name.

===Real-world references===
[[File:FiveFaces1 Athenia stadium.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*The [[Galactic Olympics]] are, obviously, based on the modern Olympic Games, including the opening parade of "nations" and the Olympic torch presiding over the events.
*Middle East tensions in the 1980s resulted in the poorly made (depending on [[Casey Kasem|whom you ask]]) spoof called [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]].
*In one scene, Blurr asks why Metroplex's new [[transformation cog]] wasn't shipped via [[Galactic Express]], an allusion to the fact that [[John Moschitta]] had previously appeared in a series of Federal Express commercials.
*''[[Star Wars (franchise)|Star Wars]]'' sound effects:
**Kickback and Shrapnel fly in with ''[[Millennium Falcon]]'' engine whine, and take off with the ship's engine burst noise.
**Ramjet and Dirge get the [[TIE Fighter]] engine sound as they lose control amid Outback's explosive. Some ''Millennium Falcon'' engine whine can be heard as well.

===Animation and technical errors===
Animated by the low-budget animation house of AKOM, "Five Faces of Darkness" features a lot of substandard artwork, which becomes even more obvious against the interspersed scenes from the Movie; it is one (five) of the most notoriously error-plagued episodes in the entire series. Brace yourself...
*Continuing their grand tradition, AKOM somehow wound up with incorrect color models for a variety of characters, which appear across the entire 3rd season. Among them are:
**Most of the new characters introduced in the Movie have the inside of their mouths colored based on their exterior colors: the inside of Magnus's mouth is blue (or red), Wheelie's is dark orange, Blurr's is blue, Arcee's is pink, Springer's is green, and Cyclonus's is purple.
**Cyclonus (sometimes) has dark purple eyebrows.
**Rodimus Prime carries a red gun, which should be black. The indentations on his shoulders are colored the same burgundy-red as his arms, when they should be white. The "windshield" details on his pelvis are white, when they should be a lighter burgundy, and there should be a trapezoid of the same color in the centre of his pelvis.
**Many Movie-based characters are intermittently drawn with their discarded preliminary character models instead of the correct "second-round" revisions. The Sweeps, for example, show up with their [[robot mode]] heads sticking out of the top of their [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s. This will be a standard feature of AKOM episodes for the rest of the season; in particular, Rodimus Prime will constantly switch designs at random, from scene to scene.
*Quite a few Transformer voices appear to be processed with a very heavy bass end in this episode, including Rodimus, Arcee, Outback, and Springer.
[[File:FFOD1 Chaar landscape.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*Chaar's moon and sun are bizarre. If the opening animation is to be believed, the moon takes about 20 seconds to orbit the planet (with the sun going in the opposite direction!), yet when we see it again later, it's just sitting there. The moon also appears to set with the red dusk sky ''behind'' it. The sky is a red dusk despite the sun having passed overhead in the opposite direction. The red dusk sky is also visible along the horizon in all directions. Maybe Chaar sits in a nebula?
*Long Haul is missing when the Constructicons combine.
*After he knocks Astrotrain away from the energon cube, Devastator's mouth does some lip-flapping, but there's no dialog to go with it.
*Menasor's "hi-yah!" sword grunts aren't in his voice. He sounds more like an unprocessed Astrotrain or Bonecrusher. When he finally speaks a non-grunt line, he suddenly goes to his own voice, right after a generic-voice grunt.
[[File:FFoD1 devastator nomnom.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*Devastator goes from his usual eyeband, to two large separate eyes as he grabs the energon cube, to two small separate eyes as Menasor whacks him apart.
*Menasor's first sword strike clearly knocks Devastator into his components (well, ''some'' components, anyway; none of them look like actual pieces of Devastator.) Devastator then re-forms with no transformation noise.
*When Menasor smashes Devastator apart the second time, only Bonecrusher, Scavenger, Hook and Long Haul are shown. Bonecrusher shouldn't be there (he didn't "have the energy to hang on"), and Scrapper and Mixmaster are totally unaccounted for.
*As a shot hits the energon cube next to him, Kickback grunts with the same generic voice that Menasor had earlier.
*Kickback is drawn with the more toy-centric version of his insect mode, wherein his robot face is clearly visible on the bottom of his insect head; he even visibly emotes and looks around with it. Most episodes portray him with his robot face concealed in his insect mode.
*As Cyclonus and company approach, Astrotrain finally completes his transformation to robot mode, but with no transformation noise.
*The first Sweep to transform and land is also missing his transformation sound.
*Coloring errors:
**As Warpath and Bumblebee watch Ultra Magnus on-screen, Magnus's microphones are colored as part of his chest.
**As Jazz races towards the finish line, the Autobot symbol on his hood is colored in reverse (it's white with red inlays).
**The center piece of Rodimus's spoiler is yellow instead of orange as he watches Springer and Arcee leave the stadium.
**As Perceptor tells Rodimus to take Grimlock with him to Chaar, his Autobot symbol is all-gray (it's usually red with a slim gray outline).
**The Skuxxoid's ship is white when it leaves the Olympics planetoid, but light orange as Arcee and Springer pursue it through space.
**Drag Strip has a gray optic visor during the "I'll think of something" line. It should be red.
**The final shot has Soundwave colored mostly in purple instead of blue. Also, his chest door disappears for a moment.
[[File:Munka Spanka hurdles.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*Jazz is shown winning the first race in the Galactic Olympics, but a few seconds later an announcer declares that "the winner is [[Munka Spanka]]." It's possible a generic character was intended for use in the scene and Jazz was mistakenly picked at random; however, given Jazz's prominent survival of the movie, it seems more likely that an editing mistake failed to portray the passage of time (and other races) after Jazz's win. Fans also have speculated that this was an intentional name change, prompted by the fact that [[Scatman Crothers]], Jazz's voice actor, had recently passed away, though why this would be necessary for a non-speaking part is unclear.
*The Quintesson monitor shows Magnus and company against a blue sky, when they'd been standing against an orange wall a second earlier.
*Improbable viewpoints:
**How did the Quintessons get that footage of the Autobots, anyway?
**Okay, ''maybe'' Unicron can monitor and record events within his own body. But does he really have a camera ''outside'' himself to show things like Galvatron flying out of him and off into the distance?
*In addition to lighting up, the button that the Quintesson pushes changes shape when pushed.
*One of the scrambling Olympians walks right through a column during the torch attack.
*Arcee and Springer's "cooking my sensors" lines carry an echo that shouldn't be there, as if they were in a soundproof room.
*When Rodimus starts shooting, he gets the second half of Optimus Prime's laser rifle sound effect. A second later, he gets the whole sound effect. Later, his rifle has the standard Autobot laser sound. Later episodes would generally give his rifle the full Optimus Prime sound effect, though not very consistently.
*How are the Sharkticons so consistently in shadow when ''everyone'' else is not?
*Rodimus is missing the "age lines" on his face as he threatens to trash the Decepticons, which basically makes him Hot Rod.
*Cybertron's appearance has changed a LOT since the movie. The first shot shows it looking like one of its own moons, with almost no detailing. The second shows it with much more detailing, but still very different than its previous appearance.
*Cyclonus is far too large as he stands on Unicron's face, taller than Unicron's eyes. He should be a speck at that distance.
*One of Scourge's helmet rims is white instead of blue as he says the "no wind in space" line.
*Unicron's snoozing groan is recycled as Scourge spots Galvatron's hand on Thrull. Is Scourge supposed to be hearing Galvatron snore from across millions of miles of space?
*The first time we see Blaster, his left eye has a line through it.
*The helmet rim around Outback's eyes is consistently colored blue instead of light gray. This could be an alternate model sheet, given its consistency. Later episodes would show him with his eyes the same color as the rest of his face.
*Rodimus's "smudge on the screen" is a sharp, glowing, blinking dot. He's also shown wiping it, but is too far away from it in the subsequent shot to have been able to reach it.
*In an odd moment of [[Humanization|humanizing]], Springer and Arcee clench their eyes shut when their ship is grabbed by the claw.
*Springer and Arcee's ship is clearly shown facing to the left of the claw before the commercial break, but afterward it's facing to the right.
*A repeat of the establishing shot of Chaar includes its moon (which, by the by, is a recycled Cybertron moon design.) This time, instead of warping around the planet, the moon is hanging in the sky, stationary.
*Two different pans across the assembled Decepticons show quite a few robots that don't correspond to any actual character. The characters are distant enough that the animators probably figured we wouldn't notice.
[[File:Ffod1 cons on chaar.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*Dirge is with the Decepticons on Chaar as they debate leadership. How'd he get back there from Earth? In the same shot, Soundwave's shoulder button is blue instead of white, and Blast Off's forehead is colored as though it were an optic visor.
*Cyclonus has consistently had three Sweeps up to this point, but as they return to Chaar there's suddenly half a dozen of them.
*The subsequent shots of cheering Decepticons are infamously screwed up. The first one features:
**Tantrum well before the Predacons have actually been introduced to the series. To be fair, the Predacons' later introduction is so ambiguous that it might not be a genuine screwup to have one of them present.
**An off-model non-conehead Seeker in Ramjet's colors
**Octane also makes his inauspicious debut here, without any sort of explanation or introduction, though it doesn't actually contradict anything to have him there.
*The second cheering shot has Soundwave with a malformed, half-colored visor.
*When Motormaster throws down his energon, Hook and Long Haul are standing nearby. When he falls over in the subsequent shot, they've both been replaced by generics in the same pose. Also, after the Energon is thrown, Motormaster's mouth moves without us hearing any dialog.
[[File:Decepticons w galvatron.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Yeah! We're going to save that guy on the left from the deadly lava pools of Thrull!]]
*The third cheering shot ("Giiiiive till it hurrrrts!") features two more made-up Seeker models, a random blue guy, and ''Galvatron himself'' cheering for his own imminent rescue.
*As the Decepticons rally to attack Rodimus and Grimlock, two Motormasters run past the camera.
*When Cyclonus fires on the rock outcrop, some guy in Fireflight's colors is behind him. The subsequent shot of charging Decepticons includes several made-up guys.
*The line of charging Decepticons at the end includes a Seeker in Silverbolt's colors.

===Continuity errors===
[[File:KickbackShrapnelFFOD1.JPG|thumb|upright=1.1]]
*Most of the character screwups on Chaar are probably just cheap/lazy/screwed up animation; in fact, all the off-model and made-up designs could really be excused as generic Decepticons we've never met before, if one is so inclined (and one is prepared to accept that for some reason, we never see them again, either.) However, Kickback and Shrapnel have a whole sequence dedicated to them landing, trying to munch an energon cube, and then fleeing, which is far too long and explicit not to be a scripted appearance. Both characters were supposedly reformatted into Sweeps during ''Transformers: The Movie''.
*Why does Astrotrain wait until he's landed to gobble some of the energon he's struggling to reach?
*So why didn't Menasor grab and eat the energon cube he just fought so hard for?
*Perceptor's description of the transforming cog is rather confusing. He introduces it as ''Autobot City's'' transformation cog, but then says "it controls ''Metroplex'''s ability to transform". This begins an ongoing trend of the cartoon dialog treating the two as if they were one and the same, despite the animation showing them as two distinct (though [[:File:G1 Autobot City.JPG|sometimes related]]) entities.
*"How we gonna find the Decepticons? It's like looking for a needle in a haystack!" It would be, Blaster, except that they conveniently left their Decepticon insignias in place for you to see.
*How do Arcee and Springer hear the Skuxxoid's voice? He's inside a ''space ship'', and they're on the outside. Does the ship have its own external atmosphere?
[[File:FFoD1 DamagedOnslaught.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"What is our chance of defeating the Autobots, when we can barely remember what our own voices sound like?"]]
*Voice consistency for the show's more obscure characters took a nosedive after the movie, starting with this episode:
**Ramjet has nearly the right voice, but it lacks the clipped mannerism that characterized his speech throughout the second season. Instead of sounding like an enforcer, he sounds... cheerful. In fairness, he occasionally lost that mannerism during Season 2.
**Onslaught's lines, beginning with "I admire your passion, my friend...", are provided by [[Terry McGovern]] in this episode, as opposed to his regular actor, [[S. Marc Jordan]]. Jordan would later be replaced again by [[Steve Bulen]] for Onslaught's final line of the series in "[[The Rebirth, Part 3]]".
**Terry McGovern tries on a brand new voice for Wildrider's two lines. He'll also develop a hick accent that he didn't have before in "[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]".
*We never do find out why Cyclonus is carrying around a big black box. It's not present in the next episode.

===Trivia===
[[File:FFoD01CastSparkplug.jpg|100px|thumb]]
*In an interview with Flint Dille, he said that the Quintesson origin story came from "[[The Secret of Cybertron]]," an aborted script for the movie by him and his fellow writer, [[Jay Bacal]].<ref>[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/60-astrominutes/flint-dille/flint-dille-2.html Flint Dille interview on the Cybertron Chronicle]</ref>
*[[Sparkplug Witwicky]] is mentioned in the [[Sunbow Productions|Sunbow]] cast list for this episode—and the relevant [[dialogue script]] reveals that he was indeed supposed to make an appearance! He would have been with [[Outback (G1)|Outback]] and [[Blaster (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Blaster]] aboard the [[Earth Defense Command|E.D.C.]] shuttle sent to investigate reports of Decepticon activity in [[Socialist Democratic Federated Republic of Carbombya|Carbombya]]. His one line—"How're we gonna find the Decepticons? It's like a needle in a haystack."—was reassigned to Blaster in the final cut of the episode.
*When originally aired, this and the other four parts of the story all had a unique set of opening credits. Unfortunately, the DVD release of the mini-series only includes this opening on parts 3 and 5.

===Foreign localization===
'''German'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Die fünf Gesichter der Finsternis, Teil 1'''" ("The Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Japanese'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Arata Naru Tatakai'''" (新たなる戦い, "The New War")
:*''Original airdate:'' [[November 14]], [[1986]]
:*In Japan, season 3 was rebranded as a new series titled ''[[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (franchise)|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010]]''. As the title implies, the year was changed from 2005 to 2010.
:*''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' was not released in Japan until 1989. In order to keep the kids at home up to date, the events of the movie were summarized in the pages of ''[[TV Magazine]]''.

'''Italian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''I cinque volti del male, Parte 1'''" (First dub, "The Five Faces of Evil, Part 1"), "'''Le cinque facce dell'oscurità, Parte 1'''" (Second dub, "The Five Faces of Darkness, Part 1")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Mandarin'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Wǔmiànguài (1)'''" (五面怪 (一), "Five-Faced Monsters (1)")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

'''Russian'''
:*''Title:'' "'''Pyatj likov tjmy (Chastj 1)'''" (Пять ликов тьмы (Часть 1), "Five Faces of Darkness (Part 1)")
:*''Original airdate:'' ?

==Home video releases==
{{homevidnote}}
;VHS
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 1990 — ''The Transformers'' — Five Faces of Darkness ([[Family Home Entertainment]])
;{{w|LaserDisc}}
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 1990 — ''The Transformers'' — Five Faces of Darkness (Family Home Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 1999 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' ([[Geneon Universal Entertainment|Pioneer LDC]]) — Japanese audio only.
;DVD
[[File:Flag of Japan.png|20px|Japan]] 2001 — ''The Transformers: 2010'' — DVD Box (Pioneer LDC) — Japanese audio only. 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Complete Original Series: Deluxe Edition ([[Maverick Entertainment|Sony Wonder]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2002 — ''Transformers'' — Five Faces of Darkness: Parts 1-5 (Sony Wonder) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1 ([[The Original Transformers|Rhino Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2003 — ''The Original Transformers'' — Season 3 Part 1: Vol. 1 (Rhino Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Season 3 and Season 4 ([[Metrodome]]) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2004 — ''Transformers'' — Collection 4: Series 3.1 ([[Madman Entertainment]]) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2006 — ''Transformers'' — The Complete Generation One Collection (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2007 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2009 — ''Transformers'' — Season's Three & Four {{sic}} (Metrodome) 
[[File:Flag of Australia.png|20px|Australia]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — Complete Collection: Decepticon Edition (Madman Entertainment) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2009 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Series: 25th Anniversary "Matrix of Leadership" Collection ([[Shout! Factory]]) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2010 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 25th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2011 — ''The Transformers'' — The Complete Original Series (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of USA.png|20px|United States of America]] 2014 — ''The Transformers'' — Seasons Three & Four: 30th Anniversary Edition (Shout! Factory) 
[[File:Flag of UK.png|20px|United Kingdom]] 2014 — ''Transformers'' — The Classic Animated Series (Metrodome)

==References==
{{reflist}}

==External links==
*[http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/season-3/synopses/700-86.html Episode Dossier at The Cybertron Chronicle]
*[http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0482022/ IMDb's page for this episode]

[[Category:The Transformers episodes]]

Talk:Slingshot (G1)

2018-09-08T23:51:52Z

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Is the promotional credit card Mini-Con still available in Japan, or should that be changed? (Also, Google translates "サイバトロン" to "Autobot". How cool is that?) -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 12:16, 8 September 2009 (EDT)

== Slingshot Verses Slingshot (G1) ==
Is there a reason why Slingshot is simply titled "Slingshot", when other aerialbots are linked as "Fireflight (G1)", etc...? [[User:fairplaythings]] 16:24, 17 January 2010 (EST)
:Because there are no other characters named "Slingshot", so the (G1) distinction isn't necessary. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:32, 17 January 2010 (EST)

== Alpha Bravo ==

So, what is thinking here as to whether Alpha Bravo is a new character, or just a new name for Slingshot. As I write this, the Superion page is calling him "aka Slingshot," and I don't think I agree with that. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 16:51, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
:I don't think we'll know for sure till we get a bio, but considering Alpha Bravo's painted to look like Slingshot, I don't think we should immediately decide it's not him. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:53, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
::And considering that he's a helicopter with a Vortex head and given a brand new name that doesn't reference Slings or Shots (they could have used [[Quickslinger (Kre-O)|Quickslinger]]) I don't think we should immediately decide that it is. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:00, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
:::Construction toys actually fall into a different trademark category to other Transformers toys, hence things like Micro-Changer Jetfire being named Jetwash, so we don't know for certain that Quickslinger would have been available. I suppose until we know for certain, we could just redlink (or not link at all) Alpha Bravo. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 18:19, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
::::"Kinda looks like" was enough for you to argue to [[Talk:Swerve (G1)|put Flanker on Sky High's page]], Kil, and that was without being a part of an entire team of deliberate homages. Why is this different? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 18:31, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::I don't think I actually argued that there, but nevertheless: Because here we have four toys that are unambiguously designed 100% in vehicle and robot mode alike as new versions of the Aerialbots.... and then a helicopter with a head based on Vortex named Alpha Bravo. To me, the colors alone are not enough in these circumstances to scream "Slingshot with a new name." --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 18:43, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
:::::"Explicit word of the toy's designer" was why Flanker went on Sky High's page... [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 11:57, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::Eventually, yes. But the argument was going on before someone provided that "Designer insight" that ended it. And Kil, I'm quoting you directly here, ''"We knew Flanker was designed to be Sky High pretty much just by looking at him."'' Well, we know Alpha Bravo was designed to be Slingshot just by looking at him. Again, I ask, why is this any different? Alpha Bravo may not be a Harrier, but Flanker wasn't an SST either. Flanker looks less like Sky High in design and colors than Alpha Bravo looks like Slingshot.
:::::::Yes, I said that, but in my comments on that page I did not actually argue for putting Flanker on Sky High's page but rather raised the question of whether or not he should be considered a new toy of the original Flanker. I disagree that we know Alpha Bravo was designed to be Slingshot by looking at him, because I do not think he looks like Slingshot. He's a helicopter and his head design does not look like Slingshot's head, it looks like Vortex. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 17:07, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::::::I'm not trying to be difficult. I'm just trying to understand the guidelines we're using to distinguish "Meant to be him with a different name" vs. "Meant to look like him, but that's all." --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:34, 26 July 2014 (EDT)
::::And I don't know if BotShots fall into this other category, but Quickslinger was also used as a [[Slingshot (G1)|replacement name for Slingshot there, too.]] --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 18:52, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
:Let's remember that the previous time Hasbro used [[Airazor (Universe)|a different name]] than Slingshot for Superion's limb, they considered him a replacement character instead of a renaming, so the same may apply to Alpha Bravo.--[[User:D.A.Martin|D.A.Martin]] ([[User talk:D.A.Martin|talk]]) 19:12, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
::Related, and worth noting- Offroad looks NOTHING like Wildrider, other than the paint job. Wildrider's also had similar issues of being part of a combiner team but having a name difficult to trademark. I think it's too soon to say that Offroad and Alpha Bravo are the same characters as the robots they're replacing. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter|talk]]) 20:52, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
:::I am thinking the wiki shouldn't take a position yet one way or the other as to whether Alpha Bravo and Offroad are new guys or new names for old guys. I am strongly inclined to the former, but until bios are available or comic appearances happen, I don't think we should be acting like its definitive in either direction. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] ([[User talk:KilMichaelMcC|talk]]) 22:15, 25 July 2014 (EDT)
::::Just another thought...Slingshot has historically had vertical take-off and landing capability, so being a helicopter certainly fits with his usual repertoire. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 11:52, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

There may well be a solid case for making Alpha Bravo a new character - but we won't know for sure till we get a bio. Till then, I would be hesitant to create a new page in the knowledge that the page may have to be deleted. I say either we treat the guy as Slingshot for now, or we leave it as a redlink (not a great option since 50 people will create the page over and over.) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 14:18, 26 July 2014 (EDT)

== Henkei! Henkei! ==

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that the Visa promotional Sling is in MasterCard colors? [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 19:51, 8 September 2018 (EDT)

Scourge (G1)

2018-09-08T02:29:27Z

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{{disambig3|Scourge}}
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:''Scourge is a [[Decepticon]] from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Scourgeg1tm.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Looks just like daddy.]]
'''Scourge''' is [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s implacable tracker and leader of his own cadré of huntsmen, the deadly [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]]. He was created by [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]] from the remains of a dead [[Decepticon]]. Immensely powerful like all the Unicronian Decepticons, arrogance is his only true weakness. Despite being quite powerful in his own right, Scourge generally acts as a near subordinate to [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], and, despite his leadership of the Sweeps, is generally content to take orders from others. Scourge tends to grumble and complain a bit (a habit sometimes shared by his Sweeps).

But then again, you'd also complain if your boss spent so much time beating you up, wouldn't you?

{{bigquote|What kind of Decepticon are you, ugly?}}
{{bigquote|The ''ultimate'' kind!|[[Kup (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Kup]] and Scourge|"[[The Burden Hardest to Bear]]"}}

==Fiction==
===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
[[File:TFTM-Scourgeformed.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|]]
{{main|Scourge (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity}}

Born from the remains of dead Decepticons, Scourge endured his new lease on life as Galvatron's whimpering lackey. In some universes he became a Targetmaster while in others he became even ''more'' whimpering and pathetic. His nail polish remained immaculate regardless of universe, however.
{{-}}

===Marvel ''The Transformers'' comics===
{{noteukonly}}
After the Decepticons were beaten back into a retreat, following a failed attack on [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], they boarded [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] and headed back towards [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. But Astrotrain didn't have the energy necessary to make the trip with all the Decepticons inside him, so the injured were jettisoned into the vacuum of space. These soldiers were drawn to Unicron, who reforged the lot into new, powerful soldiers to do his bidding. Among these creations was Scourge, who was given an army of Sweeps to aid him in his hunting. {{storylink|The Planet-Eater!}}

Scourge, Cyclonus, and Galvatron then went forth, stopping by Cybertron first so that Galvatron could eliminate [[Starscream (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Starscream]] and secure his position as Decepticon leader. After this deed was done, Unicron began devouring Cybertron's moons, enraging Galvatron. Galvatron claimed that Cybertron and all its moons belonged to him, though Scourge retorted that they, in turn, belonged to Unicron. The Decepticons then made their way to [[Earth]], and attacked the Autobots as they were readying to make their way off the planet. {{storylink|Judgment Day!}}

[[File:Scourge marvel uk 83.jpg|thumb|"I CAN'T GET OUT OF THIS CONFOUNDED MAZE!!"]]
''Afterwards, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge [[Time travel|traveled back in time]] from [[2006]] to [[1986]] as part of a plan to free themselves from Unicron's control by constructing a massive cannon that would destroy him upon their return to the future. The three Unicronian Decepticons proved themselves almost invincible in the face of the Autobots' attacks, though a lucky shot destroyed Scourge's weapon after he had incapacitated [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailbreaker]], and Scourge was relatively weaponless (most of his weapons could only be used in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]). Though he also took down [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]], [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] managed [[Anti-grav manacles|to down]] Scourge and use him as a bargaining chip. The future Decepticons were finally defeated when Galvatron was duped into believing he was trapped in a temporal paradox, and returned to his own time to live out the remaining events of 2006.'' {{storylink|Target: 2006}} {{storylink|Prey!}}

[[File:Cyclonuspullsthebeardy.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|"Yeouch!! That's my secret weakness you're pulling at, Cyclonus!"]]
''Following the destruction of Unicron at the hands of [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Rodimus Prime]] and the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]], Galvatron transported himself back in time to [[1987]], leaving Cyclonus and Scourge in the future, under [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]]’s command. The duo were attacked by the freelance peace-keeping agent, [[Death's Head (G1)|Death's Head]], who was seeking the bounty on Galvatron’s head, and Cyclonus revealed Galvatron’s whereabouts to him.'' {{storylink|Wanted: Galvatron — Dead or Alive!}} ''Later, Shockwave hired Death’s Head to kill Rodimus Prime, but Cyclonus and Scourge interfered with the job as they sought to kill Rodimus first, in order to reclaim their lost standing amongst the Decepticons.'' {{storylink|Headhunt}} ''This did not please Death’s Head, and consequently, he willingly accepted a contract from Rodimus to hunt down Cyclonus and Scourge, eventually tracking them down to the [[Junkion (planet)|planet of Junk]] as [[2008]] dawned. Before he could finish the job, however, all three of them fell under the mind-controlling influence of Unicron, whose disembodied head had survived the destruction of his body and had landed on the planet, where he was having the native [[Junkion (species)|Junkions]] construct a new body for him.''

''Under Unicron's control, Cyclonus and Scourge killed Shockwave and became Decepticon leaders, reigniting the stalemated Cybertronian war to a furious degree to cover Unicron's actions. Death's Head, however, was able to fight the mind control and work with the Autobots long enough to stop the chaos-bringer's plan. As explosions destroyed Unicron, Death's Head tackled Cyclonus and Scourge, pushing them through a [[time portal]] Unicron had built, promising to kill them another time. The two Decepticons were hurled into the past of Cybertron by the portal, where they came under the command of [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]].'' {{storylink|The Legacy of Unicron!}}

[[File:Scourge scorponok cyclonus marvel uk 151.jpg|thumb|"I just don't get why we never do anything but attack Qatari villages, that's all." "SHUT UP AND KEEP FIRING!"]]
Cyclonus and Scourge traveled with Scorponok and several other Decepticons to the peaceful planet [[Nebulos]] in pursuit of [[Fortress Maximus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Fortress Maximus]]'s Autobots. After Scorponok and the [[Terrorcon (G1)|Terrorcons]] were defeated by the new Autobot [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmasters]], the Nebulan [[Vorath]] attempted to duplicate the technology on the Decepticons. Scourge was partnered with [[Fracas]], a Nebulan recruit who had been bio-mechanically engineered to be able to transform into his weapon. Scourge was soon presented with an opportunity to test his new Targetmaster abilities when some Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]] prisoners escaped. The fury of the battle destroyed the city of [[Koraja]], culminating in Fortress Maximus knocking down Scourge and the other Decepticon Targetmasters with part of a beloved fountain. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

''At some point afterwards, Scourge and the other Decepticon Targetmasters lay in ambush for the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] at the [[Fortress of Despair]] where they had the Autobot Targetmasters held captive. However, once Scorponok had abducted [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] to study the Headmaster process further, the remaining Headmasters were able to free their Targetmaster comrades and turn the tables on the Decepticons. During the fight, Scourge attempted to sneak up on [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]], only for [[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] to warn his teammate of the Decepticon's approach. Scourge was blasted away by his intended victim, and the Autobots emerged victorious.'' {{storylink|Worlds Apart!}}

Ultimately, Scourge and Scorponok's Decepticons followed the Autobots off Nebulos to [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Brothers in Armor!!}}

''Once there, Scourge and Cyclonus sought out Galvatron, and arranged a meeting with their former leader. En route to the meeting grounds, Scourge and Cyclonus were accosted by a squad of human-piloted jet fighters. Though the pair enjoyed using the crafts as target practice initially, Cyclonus was lured into crashing into a rock peak and they were forced to retreat from the skirmish. Scourge noted that being defeated by organics bode ill for upcoming events; no longer willing to serve Galvatron, Scourge and Cyclonus were planning to instead force him to hand over his [[Time-jump trigger device|time travel device]]. With it in hand, they would return to the future and their position as Decepticon leaders. Though Scourge and Cyclonus were able to take Galvatron by surprise thanks to their Targetmaster partners, the confrontation was disrupted by the sudden appearance of the Autobot commando squad, the [[Wrecker]]s. Scourge took on both [[Twin Twist]] and [[Topspin (G1)|Topspin]] until he realized that the whole thing had become counter-productive to his own goals. He sent Fracas to go and fetch Cyclonus so they could both retreat. Springer, putting into motion his own plan to draw the battle away from the human settlement, professed to have stolen Galvatron's time jump mechanism, when in reality, the Decepticon no longer even had it for him to take. Scourge and Cyclonus went after him, and learned of Springer's bluff just in time for the rest of the Autobots to catch up to him. Unwilling to take them all on at once, Scourge and Cyclonus flew off.'' {{storylink|Wrecking Havoc}}

''Having met with failure again, Cyclonus and Scourge decided to cut their losses and team up with Shockwave's present-day Earth-based Decepticon forces.''

[[File:Cyclonus scourge marvel uk 189.jpg|left|thumb|"Cyclonus, remember that thing that we absolutely, positively, definitely shouldn't say to Shockwave?" "Yep." "You're sure?" "Yep." "You're not going to mention it at all, are you?" "Nope."]]
''Unfortunately, Cyclonus accidentally let slip that they would kill Shockwave in the future. Naturally wanting to ensure his continued existence, Shockwave unleashed a brainwashed [[Straxus (G1)|Megatron clone]] upon the two. As Megatron killed [[Nightstick (G1)|Nightstick]] and grappled with Cyclonus, Scourge took aim at the clone... but stopped. He realized that killing Megatron in [[1988]] would likely prevent Galvatron's creation in 2006, and possibly his own as well. Unwilling to take the chance, he abandoned his comrade and fled.'' {{storylink|Dry Run!}}

[[File:Shockwavetimewars.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|"Oh no!! I've told Shockwave about me and Cyclonus killing him. Should I kill him? I... can't... resist..."]]
''Scourge ended up falling back in with Galvatron for unspecified reasons, even as Galvatron brought Megatron in as an unexpected ally. What none of them realised until too late was that Cyclonus and Scourge’s displacement into the past had circumvented the normal [[Mass substitution|mass-replacement method]] used by time travel, and had hence unbalanced the space-time continuum, causing a [[Time rift|rift]] to appear in the fabric of space and time. Cyclonus's death, eighteen years before he was even created, proved to be the final straw, accelerating the rift, which soon threatened to consume Earth and Cybertron.

''[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] used this fact to distract Scourge during a Wreckers/[[Mayhem Attack Squad|Mayhem]] raid and while Scourge survived, he knew realized that the only way to stop the rift was to return them and Cyclonus to their original time. He thus attempted to recover Cyclonus’ body from Shockwave but was attacked by the deranged Decepticon, who had lost his mind due to the illogical nature of the situation, and had strung Cyclonus' remains up like a twisted trophy. Scourge staggered back to the time rift and allowed it to take him, hoping that that would have some effect on the situation. It didn't. [[Ravage (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ravage]], however, succeeded where Scourge had failed, and was able to bring Shockwave back to sanity enough for him to deposit Cyclonus's remains after Galvatron and Scourge, and then seal it with an x-ray blast.'' {{storylink|Time Wars}}

''After the war, time-traveller [[Dicet Alpha-zero]] peeked on nine key events in the Transformers' war for a history project. After stepping on the proverbial butterfly at [[Mount Verona]], Dicet saw a Time Wars where Optimus threw the remains of a beaten Scourge into the rift.'' {{storylink|The Quest!}}

====The Big Broadcast of 2006====
{{NoteMarvelBB2006}}
In an alternate future of 2006, Scourge participated in a battle on [[Junkion (planet)|Junkion]] where he was tossed around by [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] and misidentified as "Sweeps" by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ultra Magnus]]. He later agreed with [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], who said Junkion should be off-limits to Decepticons. {{storylink|The Big Broadcast of 2006 (issue)|The Big Broadcast of 2006}}

====Rhythms of Darkness!====
[[File:Cyclonus scourge marvel 67.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb|The deadliest bathtub in the skies.]]
A version of Scourge inhabited [[Primax 490.0 Gamma|an alternate timeline]] where he helped hunt down and destroy a group of Autobots led by Rodimus Prime on the planet Junkion. As Rodimus Prime was briefly distracted, Scourge and Cyclonus were able to shoot the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] away from Rodimus, giving [[Galvatron II|Galvatron]] the opening to finish off the last of the Primes.

Unknown to any of these Decepticons, though, they were observed by a Hot Rod originating from [[Primax 512.5 Gamma|another time and place]]. They were probably unaware that this Hot Rod had been the one who inadvertently distracted their Rodimus, and chances are they didn't notice that the Matrix had landed at this Hot Rod's feet before they both disappeared. {{storylink|Less Than Zero}}

By [[2009]], Cybertron had been destroyed, along nearly all resistance in the Americas. With only seven Autobots left alive, the governments of the remaining free nations planned to launch nuclear weapons towards the United States in a bid to eliminate the Decepticons themselves. Anticipating this move, Galvatron equipped a fortress with the necessary machinery to convert the fallout into energon. Scourge and Cyclonus were posted to guard the [[Decepticon Powerbase]], and the pair passed the time gripping over how conquering the Earth wasn't as fun without any Autobot opposition. They were suddenly ambushed by [[Getaway]], [[Chainclaw (G1)|Chainclaw]], and [[Guzzle (G1)|Guzzle]], who distracted them while the rest of their team made a last desperate raid on the Powerbase. Scourge was killed by the combined might of these warriors. {{storylink|Rhythms of Darkness!}}
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===Ladybird Books continuity===
{{voiceactor|[[Peter Marinker]] (English)}}
Scourge was part of a flight of Decepticons that interrupted an Autobot salvage expedition. {{storylink|Galvatron's Air Attack}}

On Nebulos, the Decepticons learned that the majority of cosmic energy for the planet came from pulsar strikes at the north pole, and planned to build an energy interceptor there to capture limitless power. When the first interceptor was sabotaged by the Autobots, Cyclonus appointed Scourge head of security for the next project. Scourge suggested they move the entire Decepticon base, Scorponok, to the pole as a deterrent against Autobot aggression. Unfortunately, the Autobots then used Scorponok's vast bulk against the Decepticons by melting the ice out from under him, leaving them thrashing in the slush. {{storylink|Decepticons at the Pole}}
[[File:Scourgeinoil-ASO.jpeg|thumb|upright=1.5]]
When the Autobots planned a pipeline to tap into a Nebulan oil reservoir, the Decepticons turned the tables and sabotaged them. Scourge was standing by with a team of hunters to eliminate any Autobots that came to fix the pipeline, but the Autobots doubled back on him and let Scourge's team thrashing in the oil released in their own sabotage efforts. {{storylink|Autobots Strike Oil}}

===Marvel coloring books===
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When the Decepticons learned that the Autobots had long ago lost a large shipment of Energon cubes at the Ark's original crash site, Galvatron ordered them to head to Mt. St. Hillary to uncover it. There, Scourge fought the Autobots over possession of it. The brawl ended when Starscream scarfed down all of the Energon, and proceeded to pick a fight with Galvatron. {{storylink|The Lost Treasure of Cybertron}}

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===Toy pack-in material===
The Decepticons having successfully stolen the Creation Matrix from the Autobots, Scourge was one of the soldiers posted to prevent their enemies from retrieving it. He was fooled by an army of Autobot [[decoy]]s, and the Autobots retook possession of the relic. {{storylink|Start Your Own Decoy Collection}}
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===Autobot Alert!===
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Scourge is a Decepticon scanner, capable of detecting Autobots even when they are in disguise. He was tasked with patrolling the space-bound Astrotrain as the Decepticon shuttle was making a munitions delivery to the Decepticons’ ship out in orbit.

In one possible scenario, Scourge happened upon Bumblebee and Hot Rod who had infiltrated Astrotrain by disguising themselves in Decepticon space gear. Not fooled by the Autobots’ disguise, he confronted the pair as they were about to commandeer Astrotrain’s military controls. Though he was unable to stop the Autobots from firing Astrotrain weapons towards Cyclonus, Scourge quickly overpowered the pair and flung them out into the blackness of space. {{storylink|Autobot Alert!}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
[[File:TheTest-Scourge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|''You're'' the leader in the Marvel Comics stuff?]]
Scourge was part of a Decepticon mission to track down the source of an [[Energon]] reading on an asteroid. As [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] returned to [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Scourge warned him that Galvatron was in a particularly foul mood. As it turned out, the [[Observer|creature]] Cyclonus had brought back was the source of the Energon, however the situation escalated when they detected they were being spied on by [[Searchlight (G1)|Searchlight]]. Scourge and Cyclonus gave chase, only to find themselves running into [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] and [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], who were chasing [[Ratbat (G1)|Ratbat]] in the other direction. The usual chaos ensued. {{storylink|The Test (issue)|The Test}}

Scourge and several Sweeps took part in an assault on [[Tau-Ursa]], when Galvatron acquired a component for his latest weapon. Galvatron ordered them to destroy everything, but to let the Tau-Ursans live. {{storylink|The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
[[File:ColdWar-Scourge.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Pssst, Scourge, "then you crack the nuts inside."]]
Millions of years ago, as [[Unicron]] entered a stage of hibernation, the first wave of his herald drone fleet was launched to scour the galaxy, looking for Cybertron. The Alpha drone designated Scourge managed to find Cybertron during the [[Great Shutdown]], an enforced shutdown of all Transformers on the planet, and managed to reactivate [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] for the purpose of observing the Decepticon from afar. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}} However, Shockwave was soon attacked by the [[Quintesson]] [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]] extermination units left behind on this world. Forced to intervene, Scourge easily destroyed a number of Sharkticons and drove off the rest, saving Shockwave's life. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} As a way a saying thank you, Shockwave shot Scourge in the back, took him prisoner, dissected him and studied the Unicronian Transformer, gaining great knowledge of Cybertron's origin and its inhabitants. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}}

[[File:OriginalSin-Scourge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|Later I look like my toy!]]
Scourge escaped to Earth and attacked [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]]'s shuttle just as it arrived on its mission to search for the missing [[Ark (G1)|Ark]]. Tricking the drone into pursuing an escape pod, Jetfire managed to shutdown the advanced Transformer's systems and was dragging him back to their crashed ship when they were both buried in an avalanche. {{storylink|Original Sin}}

Thousands of years later, the Autobots were drawn to the [[Alaska]]n shore, right into a trap set by the Decepticons. The Autobots fought desperately to keep the Autobot escape pod out of Megatron's hands, and during the fighting, it was inadvertently activated. Just as the Autobots gained the upper hand, Scourge ordered the combatants to stand down, informing them that the war was over, the factionalism that had divided their race had ended, and Cybertron was now unified under a new leader. Before he could speak further, Shockwave shot him in the back, declaring both Autobots and Decepticons to be war criminals. {{storylink|New World Order}}

Evidently Shockwave never bothered to recover Scourge's body, as he was retrieved by the [[Earth Defense Command]] and taken to their secret base for reverse-engineering. Unfortunately for the humans, Scourge was such an advanced Cybertronian that they were having serious problems figuring out his systems. {{Storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} [[Earth Defense Command|EDC]] were still working on Scourge when [[Marissa Faireborn]] enlisted the aid of the Autobots under [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]]'s command in investigating the mystery of [[San Desto]]. {{Storylink|Infestation (Dreamwave)|Infestation}}

{{Unreleased DW G1 comic}}
Scourge was rescued from the EDC facility by [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]]. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Issue 13|Generation 1 #13}}

===Dreamwave ''Armada'' continuity===
====Ask Vector Prime====
A version of Scourge, created alongside [[Galvatron (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Galvatron]] and [[Cyclonus (G1)#Ask Vector Prime|Cyclonus]], served as one of [[Unicron]]'s dimension-hopping [[Herald of Unicron|heralds]]. Cyclonus was eventually decapitated by a version of Megatron seeking in vain to protect his home reality. Cyclonus was eventually replaced with versions of [[Thunderwing (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Thunderwing]], [[Bludgeon (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Bludgeon]], and [[Dirge (G1)#Dreamwave Armada continuity|Dirge]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/19}}

====Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic====
[[File:WorldsCollide2-Scourge.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|"How do you feel, mighty not-Megatron?" ''*kick*'']]
Unicron sent his heralds ahead of him to prepare [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma|this particular reality]]'s Cybertron for his imminent arrival. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}} After effortlessly conquering [[Decepticon Command Headquarters]] on Cybertron and taking control of its [[space bridge nexus]], they found that the local [[Megatron (Armada)|Megatron]] was nowhere to be found, and moved on to search for him on [[Earth]]. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 2 of 4}} At [[Silver Ridge]], Scourge detected [[Thrust (Armada)|Thrust]] in the vicinity, and the Heralds chose to interrogate him in regards to Megatron's whereabouts. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} Thrust ended up being useless to them, but the Heralds suddenly learned of something else to worry about—the space bridge nexus was under attack. They immediately returned to Cybertron, where [[Jetfire (Armada)|Jetfire]] and his team had already placed bombs throughout the Decepticon base. Upon arrival, Scourge ordered the others to kill Jetfire... and was promptly killed when the whole building was blown to kingdom come. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}
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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
Whlist serving under [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] on Cybertron, Scourge and Cyclonus were shocked when one of their Decepticon comrades was suddenly teleported across space and time by [[Teletran 3]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #1}} Shortly afterwards, he and many other flying Decepticons gathered around the computer and waited for [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s force field to go down. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}}

In a dystopian future where the Decepticons had conquered Earth, Scourge and his Sweeps patrolled the ruins of [[New York City]]. They attacked a team of [[G.I. Joe (team)|Joes]] and [[Cobra]]s who arrived from the past, but were chased off by the [[Dreadnok]]s. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #3}} {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #4}}

While this future was eventually averted, Scourge and the Sweeps existed in the present, as part of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]]'s forces on Cybertron. They fought back against a major Autobot/G.I. Joe assault on Serpent O.R.'s headquarters. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

====''TransTech''====
In [[Primax 806.30 Gamma]], Scourge and his comrades came to ally with the [[Kalistan]]ian terrorist organization [[S.K.A.R.]] As part of this alliance, Scourge was binary-bonded to the S.K.A.R. member [[Red Scream]], using technology derived from the old [[I.R.O.N. Army]]. A globe-spanning conflict ensued between the Decepticons and S.K.A.R. against the Autobots and their [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] allies. Ultimately, the Decepticons and their human allies were defeated by [[Sgt. Savage]]'s [[Screaming Eagle]]s and the Autobots. {{storylink|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News, 2016/05/01}}

===''Hearts of Steel''===
[[File:Hearts of Steel Scourge.JPG|thumb|Red Zeppelin]]
While traveling in the Astrotrain convoy, Scourge transformed into a blimp (with a familiar-shaped gondola) and dropped bombs on the Autobot freight. [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (or possibly [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]]) popped his airbag, causing him to crash, then explode. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 4|Hearts of Steel #4}}

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===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
:*''First Appearance:'' [[All Hail Megatron issue 14|Transformers: All Hail Megatron #14]]

While accusing [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] of having no plan or goal beyond the conquest of Earth, Starscream wondered aloud who might be the Decepticon to take action, and suggested Scourge as a possibility. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron #6}}

{{Note|[[Shane McCarthy]] originally envisioned Scourge as being the Decepticon equivalent of Kup. Hasbro vetoed this idea, but this reference remained.}}

[[File:AHM14Rebirth-Scourge.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|"How have I gone so long without a manicure?"]]
Scourge, a Cybertronian who lived during the era of [[Nova Prime]], first met [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] in a basement bar on Cybertron. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}} The two would later become part of the crew of the ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'', which was lost in the [[Benzuli Expanse]] and ended up in the [[Dead Universe]]. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 14|Rebirth}}

After the failure of the [[Expansion]], Cyclonus gathered the remains of his comrades on [[Gorlam Prime]] and prepared to melt them down as a warrior's burial. Scourge was barely alive, and Cyclonus sadly said this was the last thing he could do for him. However, [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] emerged from the [[solar pool]] and blasted Scourge and the others. Though Cyclonus thought him crazy, Galvatron explained the [[Darkness (G1)|Darkness]] would not let Scourge die. Scourge recovered, and Galvatron again flung him into the slag, from which he emerged in pain but fully restored. Soon, the other warriors were transformed into clones of Scourge (though Galvatron complained they should have been made in ''his'' image). The clones, known as the [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]], were bonded to Scourge, who was to keep them in line. Scourge asked Cyclonus what they should do, and Cyclonus responded that as [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s, they should follow Galvatron's bidding. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron issue 14|All Hail Megatron #14}}

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At Galvatron's command, the Seekers searched all over Gorlam Prime for signs of life, as the planet's entire population had apparently vanished at some point while they had been wasting away. Scourge and his Sweeps found nothing, so Galvatron opted to track down their ally [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]] and the portal to the Dead Universe. They found him as a crushed and dismembered wreck, but Galvatron easily undid his injuries using the Darkness. Jhiaxus took them to the portal, which was different from before, but upon arrival they were attacked by [[Arcee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Arcee]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]]. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 1|Heart of Darkness #1}} Scourge and Cyclonus took on Hardhead, but even the two of them together were overpowered by the much larger and stronger Autobot. They were saved by Galvatron's mighty firepower, and were sent by him to chase after Arcee as she tried to flee. After sending her tumbling into an abyss, they returned to Galvatron's side and watched him enter the Dead Universe, where he met the malevolent entity known as "the [[D-Void]]". He emerged rather panicky, telling his troops that they needed to raise an army to stand against this threat. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 2|Heart of Darkness #2}}

Scourge and his Sweeps accompanied Galvatron as he traveled to a wide variety of planets, reviving and recruiting robotic lifeforms to stand with him against the D-Void. At one point they visited [[Spindrift]], where they added [[Thinkbox]] and the corpses that inhabited the [[Realm of Wrecks]] to their cause. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 3|Heart of Darkness #3}} Scourge was also part of a scout party sent to [[Dykayra]], where Galvatron was attacked by [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]], revived by the D-Void. He and the others defended their leader, but failed to harm Nemesis, who was then possessed by the D-Void and transformed by its power into a huge beast. Several of Scourge's Sweeps were destroyed by the monster, but it was eventually defeated with the arrival of Galvatron's army. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 4|Heart of Darkness #4}}

[[File:Scourge and Cyclonus The Transformers Infestation 1.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.3]]
Seeking to add [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]]'s Autobots to his army, Galvatron travelled towards [[Earth]]. On the way, his ship encountered a space-time anomaly containing a frozen block of corpses, both organic and robotic. The crew brought in on board to investigate it, only to be faced with a [[zombie]] outbreak once the ice was thawed. Scourge and the others battled the undead, including several of his infected Sweeps, until their ship was sabotaged and crashed in [[Las Vegas]], Earth. There, they attempted to team up with the local Autobots to contain the outbreak. {{storylink|The Transformers: Infestation issue 1|The Transformers: Infestation #1}} After some initial distrust between the two factions, they managed to stop bickering long enough to defeat the zombie mastermind, [[Britt]]. The Autobots still wouldn't join Galvatron, though, so Scourge and the others left Earth via a portal. {{storylink|The Transformers: Infestation issue 2|The Transformers: Infestation #2}}

Galvatron then took his entire army with him to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], declaring the planet their first line of defense against the D-Void. {{storylink|Heart of Darkness issue 4|Heart of Darkness #4}} Scourge (or a chatty Sweep, it's hard to tell) was in charge of [[Kimia Facility]] once Galvatron conquered it, and on his orders transformed it into its cannon mode. {{storylink|Chaos Part One: Lamentations|Lamentations}}

Scourge was killed at an unknown point during the Chaos Event.<ref>[[John Barber]] commentary in [[Targetmasters (issue)|''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe'' #2]]</ref> Cyclonus, however, believed that he had detected Scourge's life sign while flying around on a reformatted Cybertron—this turned out to just be some mutilated Sweep corpses. {{storylink|Liars, A to D Part 1: How to Say Goodbye and Mean It|How to Say Goodbye and Mean It}}
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===''United''===
[[File:FierceFightingOnPlanetNebulos-StraxusDecepticons.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.1|Peekaboo.]]
At some undetermined point in time, Scourge stood in close proximity to [[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] and [[Lugnut (TF 2010)|Lugnut]]. {{storylink|A New Battle!}}

A [[nano-virus]] that afflicted most Autobots save the [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s and the [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmasters]] required [[Ricochet (Headmasters)|Ricochet]] to lead a team to [[Nebulos]] for an anti-virus. However, the nano-virus was merely a ploy by the Decepticons to draw out the Targetmasters and Headmasters to abduct their [[Nebulan]] partners, so when the Autobots arrived on Nebulos, Scourge and several other Decepticons were waiting for them! Once Scourge noticed their leader, [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]], had been defeated, he and the others quickly fell into disarray. {{storylink|The Fierce Fighting on Planet Nebulos}}
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===''Generations'' toy bio===
Little was known about the powerful hunter Scourge's origins, and he himself preferred not to speak of them. {{storylink|Scourge (G1)/toys#Generations|''Generations'' Scourge toy bio}}

===''Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe''===
[[File:ScourgeAligned-UltimatePopUpUniverse.jpg|thumb|upright=0.8]]
Scourge was one of the many Decepticons who pursued the [[AllSpark]] to Earth. He participated in an enormous battle against the Autobots in a human settlement. {{storylink|Transformers: The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe|The Ultimate Pop-Up Universe}}
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===''Kre-O'' comic===
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Scourge was among the Decepticons terrified by the newly created [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]'s violent rampage. {{storylink|Enter the New Emperor of Destruction!? Stop Galvatron's Rampage!}}
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===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
Scourge was among the Decepticons unleashed upon [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]]'s ''[[Defiant (G.I. Joe)|Defiant]]'' in response to its attack on [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]], but instead of capturing any of the aliens they returned to [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] with two captured Autobots, [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] and [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]. Megatron was unconcerned about Autobots, however, and shot Scourge through the chest for wasting his time. {{storylink|Targetmasters (issue)|Targetmasters}} Despite the seemingly fatal injury, he was later repaired and standing ready to fight the Autobot/G.I. Joe alliance beneath [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s forcefield. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}}

===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
Scourge and [[Squeezeplay (G1)|Crashbash]] tracked [[Haywire|Hyperfire]] to [[Velocitron]], and attempted to abduct Blurr's [[Titan Master]] on the final lap of the planet's biggest race. They didn't get far before having to fight [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]], Hardhead, and Optimus. {{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}}

===''Beast Wars: Uprising''===

Scourge was one of Galvatron's chief lieutenants during the Great War. On [[Nebulos]], he was instrumental in bringing Targetmaster technology to the Decepticons when Fracas and Nightstick of the Autobot / [[World Watcher]] alliance defected to the [[Hive (G1)|Hive]] / Decepticon alliance, becoming binary-bonded with Scourge and Cyclonus.

After the [[Scouring of Nebulos]] and the [[Armistice]], the Decepticons moved on to the colony world of [[Master (planet)|Rebirth]]. Galvatron allied with the [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus]] revolutionaries of the [[Cyberdroid]] population to recreate Master technology with non-organics. As Galvatron became a [[Triple-Threat Master]], Scourge also adopted a Cyberdroid Headmaster partner named [[Krunix (G1)|Krunix]] to work with him and Fracas. Rebirth was conquered for the Decepticons and renamed [[Master (planet)|Master]]. Even [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] was unable to reclaim Master from the Decepticons, despite his "victory" on Nebulos.

Galvatron and Scourge next moved on to the [[Great Push]], attempting to break the Armistice and attack the [[Human Confederacy]] using a scheme known as the [[Grendel Gambit]]. They failed, apparently due to heroic actions by Cyclonus that betrayed their cause. Despite [[Swindle (G1)|Swindle]]'s legal maneuvering, Galvatron and Scourage were found guilty and sentenced to die by a [[Quintesson]] court. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}} {{storylink|Not All Megatrons}}

Krunix never got over Scourge's death. Centuries later, the Cyberdroid was running a bar called [[The Scourge of Athenia]] in his name, with a hologram eulogizing Fracas on display in the bar as well. {{storylink|Identity Politics}}

The Predacon [[Scourge (BW)|Skurge]] liked to spell his name à la the infamous Decepticon Scourge, though some bots like his superior Queen [[Rage (BWN)|Rage]] refused to indulge his affectation. {{storylink|Broken Windshields}} {{storylink|Derailment}}

==Commercial appearances==
*[[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], and Scourge faced off against [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] until Autobot reinforcements showed up in the form of [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]], [[Kup (G1)|Kup]], and [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]]. With the appearance of these new arrivals, Scourge declared that no one would escape his Sweeps. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Cyclonus, Scourge, Rodimus Prime|Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Cyclonus, Scourge, and Rodimus Prime commercial}}
*Scourge aided Galvatron, Cyclonus battle the Autobots until [[Sixshot]] showed up, and begun taking care of the opposing team all on his own. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sixshot|Sixshot commercial}}
*Scourge, [[Octane]], and Cyclonus launched an attack on the Autobots' base, only to be met with the [[Monsterbot]]s, who gave them a good trouncing. Scourge was chased off through the skies by [[Grotusque]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Monsterbots|Monsterbots commercial}}
*Scourge and one of his [[Sweep (G1)|Sweeps]] could be seen following Galvatron into combat while the war on Cybertron raged on, and Transformers of both factions left the planet to expand the war to the planet [[Nebulos]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Headmaster comic book|Headmaster comic book commercial}}

==Games==
===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
[[File:TF PS2 Scourge.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4]]
{{voiceactor|[[Barry Gjerde]] (English)}}
Right before the Autobots found the giant jewel of the Atalstan mine, Scourge ambushed them. Announcing that the "Autofools" had reached the end of the road, he transformed to [[robot mode]]. Saying that the noise caused by the Autobots engines was going to destroy his transducers, Scourge declared that he was going to shut them up forever. After a fight, Scourge admitted defeat and begged the Autobots to spare his life. Before his enemies could do anything, he transformed back to his hovercraft form and flew away.

Scourge later challenged the Autobots to a rematch on their way to ELTA, and was later joined by Cyclonus, but the Sweep leader was defeated again. When Cyclonus fled in his fighter craft form, Scourge called out for Cyclonus to wait for him before also fleeing in his hovercraft form. {{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}
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===''Transformers: Legends''===
[[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] was reformatted into Scourge at some point. He and [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] served under [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The Coronation of Starscream}} Cyclonus and Scourge were tasked with leading raids on an Autobot supply convoy and managed to deal the Autobots a heavy blow. {{storylink|Cold Delivery}} Following Megatron's demise, the pair opposed [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s bid for leadership. {{storylink|The Coronation of Starscream}} They later aided [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] after his rebirth in [[Unicron]]'s maw, but their might was insufficient and they were defeated by [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]]'s forces. {{storylink|All Hail Galvatron}} Scourge was among a handful of Decepticons who ventured inside Unicron to search for [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. After encountering [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] and [[Daniel Witwicky (G1)|Daniel]], then falling foul of Unicron's internal defenses, the Decepticons resumed their search. {{storylink|Belly of the Beast (Legends)|Belly of the Beast}}

Cyclonus and Scourge both fell under Starscream's control as the Air Commander attempted to supply Unicron with a new body in the form of [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]. They were intercepted by Autobots and defeated, forcing Starscream to relinquish control, however the pair had no memory of the events, and returned bewildered to base. {{storylink|Unicron Returns}}

Either Scourge, or one of his Sweeps, fell victim to a bear-like Trans-Organic when Galvatron was tricked into attacking the resting grounds of the Dweller. {{storylink|Dweller in the Depths}}
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===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
[[File:BattleTacticsScourgeG1.jpg|thumb|right|400px|You could use level 1-17 Scourges as Sweeps.]]
Scourge participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He was a Rare character who could be recruited after collecting 60 units of Cybermetal, 25 units of Transmetal, and 15 scout cores. {{storylink|Transformers: Battle Tactics}}
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:ScourgeEarthWars.jpg|thumb|upright=2|So do I get my Sweeps back? Not at the same time I'm around apparently.]]

Scourge was accidentally brought to Earth because of a Space Bridge miscalibration and a space-time continuum error. Starscream complained that another air bot would get in his way, and Scourge threatened to turn him into a 100-piece puzzle for Hook to assemble if he didn't watch his mouth. He then searched for a raiding party.

He bemoaned that they had lost the future, but Cyclonus pointed out he has the chance to hunt down the Autobots he had deleted again. But Scourge said the worst part is that they're expected to serve Megatron instead of Galvatron. He began to change his mind when Megatron gave him the task to lure any Autobot into an ambush.

Sometime later he encountered [[Swoop (G1)#Transformers: Earth Wars|Strafe]] and was about to duel, but a transmission came from Galvatron and he ordered him to cease and desist, for they have evolved. Scourge started to agree with Divebomb that Galvatron is a total killjoy.

But Scourge wouldn't, so Galvatron declared that he would stand alone without his help. While he and Ultra Magnus pursue their vendetta, Scourge called his Sweeps to hunt for prey. Strafe retorted that he would be more impressed if hadn't been built from bits of old Insecticons, which Scourge would never live down.

*'''Class:''' Aerial
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star
*'''Weapons:''' Scourge uses his double-barreled blaster to fire at the target.
*'''Ability:''' '''Fire Mission:''' Sets out to damage targets in an area, striking them up to 18 times.
**'''Cost:''' 5 ability points +5 for reuses.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:scourge| Scourge at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]
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==Toys==
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==Notes==
[[File:ScourgeG1-charactermodels.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|Hooked On Steroids worked for me!]]
*Like most of the [[The Transformers: The Movie|1986 animated film]] characters, Scourge has two [[character model]]s. The first one was designer [[Floro Dery]]'s original, which inspired the action figure and was used prominently in the Marvel Comics stories. The second was revised from Dery's to have more standard, "heroic" proportions and was used in the original cartoon, though not 100% consistently. Perhaps the most distinguishing feature of Dery's Scourge was the revealed head in [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]. This was removed entirely for the revised version probably because it looked extremely dorky.
*When asked why Scourge and the Sweeps stick their heads out while they're in vehicle mode, Floro Dery replied: ''"The heads stick out because the idea is like a regular fighter plane. You can see just the head of the fighter pilot. If you have seen my [http://archive.is/kR3lr "Egg" design] on my web site, I based Scourge on it."''<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20060625115408/http://members.aol.com/tfencyc/interview_dery.html Zobovor's Interview with Floro Dery]</ref>
*Early drafts of ''The Transformers: The Movie'' script also portray Scourge as propping his head out in vehicle mode to serve as sort of the "eyes" of the expedition. More interestingly, his alt mode was originally land based with Cyclonus and his armada being the only jets. There's a remnant of this in his ''[[The Transformers Universe]]'' profile where it states that Scourge has a "marauding automotive mode which handles any terrain", a technically true but still very odd description of a flying alt-mode.
*A close examination of Scourge's character model (both final and early versions) reveals that his animation model transforms somewhat ''backwards'' from the way his toy representations do. Whereas the toys have the upward-facing torso concealed fully within the wings, the animation model actually has nearly ''all'' of the chest and body front details visible on the ''underside'' of the vehicle mode. This further implies that the robot head twists 180 degrees and folds backwards to complete formation of the vehicle mode rather than just staring at his own chest.
*It's not known how much (if any) communication there was between Marvel's US office and the UK offices where Simon Furman was churning out his behind-the-scenes stories, but regardless, Cyclonus and Scourge completely disappeared from the US book after ''[[The Transformers: Headmasters|Headmasters]]''—leaving Furman free to send them off to find Galvatron in "[[Wrecking Havoc]]".
*For some reason, Scourge's head-mounted cannon was implied to not be a cannon in the comics, as the loss of a handgun in "[[Target: 2006]]" apparently left Scourge completely weaponless in [[robot mode]], making transformation a complete necessity.

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Scourge''' (スカージ ''Sukāji'')
*''Czech:'' '''Bič''' ("Whip")
*''French:'' '''Fléo''' (Canada, altered spelling of ''fléau'', which means "scourge")
*''Italian:'' '''Sheriff'''
*''Hungarian:'' '''Ostor''' ("Whip"), '''Korbács''' (first ''The Movie'' dub, "Scourge")
*''Mandarin:'' '''Tiānqiǎn''' (Taiwan, 天譴, "Scourge"), '''Wēnyì''' (China, 瘟疫, "Plague")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Aperto'''
*''Russian:'' '''Knut''' (Кнут, "Whip")

==References==
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Optimus Prime (G1)

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:''Optimus Prime is the [[Autobot]] leader from the [[Generation 1 continuity family|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''
[[File:Optimusg1.jpg|upright=1.95|thumb|I'm that guy everyone remembers. No, not [[Soundwave (G1)|the tape guy]], the ''other'' guy.]]
'''Optimus Prime''' is the awe-inspiring [[Prime (rank)|leader]] of the [[Autobot]] forces. Selfless and endlessly courageous, he is the complete opposite of his mortal enemy [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. Originally a mere civilian known as '''Orion Pax''' or '''Optronix''', he was chosen by the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to command, the first in a number of heavy burdens he has been forced to bear. Another is his bringing of the [[Transformer]]s' conflict to Earth. Every casualty, [[human]] or Cybertronian weighs heavily on his [[spark]]. He does not show this side to his soldiers and never succumbs to despair. The Autobots need a decisive, charismatic leader and that is what he gives them. It was that leadership which turned the tide of the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]].

On the battlefield, there are few who rival Optimus Prime's prowess. He is easily the strongest of any Autobot his [[Scale|size]], and his [[ion blaster]] and [[energon-axe]] are deadly weapons. He would sacrifice his life to protect his fellow Autobots or those under their care and [[The many deaths of Optimus Prime|does so on a regular basis]]. His compassion for other sentient beings is his only real weakness, and one the Decepticons have taken advantage of time and again... though it's also the source of his strength!

{{bigquote|Freedom is the right of all sentient beings.|Optimus Prime's most common [[bio]] quote.}}

==Fiction==
===Marvel Comics continuity===
{{main|Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity}}
[[File:CommandPerformances-Autobotsattack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Don't worry, the multiple crises of conscience come soon enough.]]
Optimus Prime was a [[Gladiatorial combat|gladiator]] champion for [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] before quickly working his way up the Autobot ranks once [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Megatron]] started the war. Four million years ago, when Decepticons attacked the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], he personally chose to crash it onto [[Earth]], a decision that caused him much remorse when the war restarted on Earth in the modern day.

Though Optimus allowed himself to be destroyed when he betrayed his own moral code while playing a video game, a copy of his mind survived on a [[floppy disk]]. Years later, he was restored as a [[Powermaster]], binary bonded to the [[Nebulan]], [[Hi-Q]]. Optimus Prime slowly earned the respect of Decepticon leader [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Scorponok]], mourned the loss of his friend [[Ratchet (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Ratchet]], and ultimately sacrificed everything to defeat [[Unicron/Generation 1|Unicron]]. Though Optimus died again, his mind persisted in Hi-Q, and the [[Last Autobot]] was able to restore him as an [[Action Master]] in time to bring a temporary end to the war.

In [[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)|one universe]], Optimus Prime went on to battle [[Jhiaxus (G2)|Jhiaxus]], his [[Cybertronian (faction)|Cybertronian troops]], and the [[Swarm (G2)|Swarm]]. In [[Transformers: Classics|another]], fifteen years of peace passed before Megatron rose again.
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===S.T.A.R.S. pack-in flyers===
[[File:PackIn RodimusPrimeRemembers Inside2.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|The fury of the "Road Warriors"... and Cosmos.]]
The Autobots were outnumbered and outgunned on Earth from the start, though Optimus was confident (and correct) that reinforcements from Cybertron would arrive. {{storylink|Reinforcements from Cybertron!}}

However, the situation was still so desperate that Optimus not only decided to recruit human allies {{storylink|The battle is far from over!}}, but aggressively tried to recruit and ''deputise'' human children, including giving them the power to co-ordinate Autobot teams in battles. He wouldn't even make a final move on the Decepticons until he had enough child soldiers on his side. {{storylink|Earthlings: THE S.T.A.R.S. need your help now!}} {{storylink|Have the Decepticons defeated us once and for all?}} In at least one case, this likely led to the ''death'' of a small boy at Decepticon hands. {{storylink|Can one boy, alone, hold back the evil Decepticons?}}

Optimus later led a convoy in search for a building site for [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]], which ran into a Decepticon ambush. {{storylink|Rodimus Prime remembers the Transformers greatest battle on Earth.}} He sent off several Autobots to get help, knowing this was the only chance of victory. {{storylink|Transformers Combat Data}} Those several Autobots were seen again, but Prime... wasn't.
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===Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
{{main|Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity}}
[[File:Mtmte2 shermandam.jpg|left|upright=1.4|thumb|He had this ax once. It was very memorable.]]
Before the war, Optimus Prime was originally '''Orion Pax''', a young dock worker with a girlfriend named [[Elita One (G1)|Ariel]]. But as the war began, Megatron destroyed them both, and [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]] rebuilt them into more powerful warriors.

Four million years ago, Optimus Prime ended a Decepticon attack on the Ark by directing it towards prehistoric Earth. When both factions reawakened in [[1984]], Optimus Prime and the Autobots fought the Decepticons on numerous occasions until [[2005]]. During an attack on [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]] on Earth, Prime fell in battle against Megatron and passed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to [[Ultra Magnus (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Ultra Magnus]].

Optimus Prime eventually returned, once as a [[zombie]], and again when he was rebuilt by the [[Quintesson]]s to stop the spread of the [[Hate Plague]].

The details between these events differ between universes. Sometimes Optimus Prime merged with [[Vector Sigma]] soon after defeating the Hate Plague, and returned much, much later as Star Convoy. Sometimes Optimus Prime partnered up with [[Marissa Faireborn]] to receive upgrades through mutual [[kiss]]ing. Sometimes... look, he did a lot of weird stuff, okay? He later sacrifices himself to restore the [[Matrix of Leadership]].
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===Sticker Adventures books===
During a Decepticon attack, Cliffjumper pleaded with Optimus to let him jump into the fray. Optimus denied his request, telling him that they already had the Decepticons on the run. In the battle’s aftermath, the Decepticon’s activity seem to vanish altogether. Grateful for the quiet, Optimus decided to head out and fetch extra fuel for the Autobots with Sparkplug. He returned just in time to find his Autobots in the middle of a battle with the Decepticons. With Sparkplug and Prowl’s help, Optimus refuelled his troops, and once more drove the Decepticons back. {{storylink|Revenge of the Decepticons}}

Optimus Prime and the Autobots were repairing a ship in the hopes of using it to return to Cybertron, when the Decepticons attacked. He took a hit in the midst of the battle, and fell unconscious…

Then he dreamed of awakening, only to find his troops smashed. Realizing his only hope for survival lay with Cybertron, Optimus then boarded the ship the Autobots were repairing, and travelled back to his home planet. Arriving on Cybertron, he found it completely under Decepticon domination. Optimus then met an old Autobot codger who pleaded that he return to Earth to gather a force that could overthrow the Decepticon’s regime. Optimus remorsefully told the old Autobot that there could be no reinforcements from the planet Earth. The two Autobots were then swarmed by Decepticon police officers, who Optimus fought until his dying breath…

Only for Optimus to awaken for real, back on Earth and surrounded by his troops. Realizing that his trip to Cybertron was a dream, Optimus instructed his Autobots to redouble their efforts in fixing up their ship, certain that they would soon need to return to Cybertron. {{storylink|Return to Cybertron}}
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===Marvel Storybooks continuity===
When Optimus captained an Autobots spacecraft with the intent of clearing an asteroid field heade for Cybertron, he found his ship and crew attacked by the Decepticons. Rather than allow his Autobots to be taken prisoner, he deliberately crashed the Ark on Earth into a volcano.

Millions of years later, Optimus was one of the thirty-five Autobots rebuilt into modern machines by the ship"s computer. Some time later, Jazz reported that he had spotted Decepticon activity at a nearby construction site. Optimus decided to take a proactive angle to their war with the Decepticons, and led the entirety of his troops to the Decepticon base. Once there, they found themselves allowed in by Megatron, feigning a friendly demeanor. Not fooled by Megatron's claims that he was making an honest living heading a construction company, Optimus engaged the evil robots in combat, before being blasted out of the Decepticon base. Optimus and his troops were sent tumbling down the cliffside beneath their feet. The Autobots suffered only minor damage from the fall, and after getting patched up, moved out once more to stop Megatron's plan, now well under way. Megatron was holding millions of humans hostage in a bid to get the Earth to surrender unconditionally to the Decepticons.

The two sides found themselves equally matched until the Constructicons merged into The Devastator. The tables were turned once more when the Dinobots appeared, and mercilessly slaughtered the Constructicons. The Decepticons' plan foiled, Optimus decided that the Autobot-Decepticon war had come to an end, despite Megatron's protests to the contrary. He and his Autobots then drove away victorious. {{storylink|Battle for Earth}}

[[File:Autobots secret weapon prime megs.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.2]]
Optimus pondered [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]]'s whereabouts after noticing that he had been absent from Autobot headquarters for longer than expected. The answer came through [[Blaster (G1)|Blaster]], who relayed a message from [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]; Sunstreaker was the Decepticons' captive. Megatron demanded that the Autobots surrender, or else Sunstreaker would be destroyed and rebuilt as a Decepticon! The Autobots refused to give up without a fight, but Optimus took care to explain the threat they were up against before a rescue party headed out. Optimus told [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]], [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] and [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] of [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]'s combiner nature, and warned them not take the danger he posed lightly. The rescue squad failed in liberating Sunstreaker, and were captured themselves. The Autobots were shaken by this turn of events, but Optimus was able to think up a new plan to trick the Decepticons. He ordered his Autobots to build a hollow statue of Devastator for him and his soldiers to hide within. Optimus then wrote a letter explaining that the statue was a peace offering for the Decepticons, and the completed decoy was placed before the Decepticons' base. The ruse worked, and Optimus and his troops burst forth from the false Devastator after the Decepticons had let down their guard. An all-out brawl between Autobots and Decepticons followed. The fight came to an end when Megatron attempted to down Optimus with his fusion cannon, only for Optimus to deflect Megatron's beam back at him by bouncing it off a reflective piece of metal. With the Decepticons defeated, Optimus ordered his troops to retrieve their wounded and return to Autobot headquarters. {{storylink|The Autobots' Secret Weapon}}
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===Marvel coloring books===
[[File:SummertimeColoring Optimus Prime combat deck.jpg|thumb|upright=1.66|In lieu of solving the [[FIRRIB]] debate the hard way, Prime eliminates the problem at the source.]]
Alerted by [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s latest plan, Optimus Prime led the mission on [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]]'s ship to foil them. He sent Bumblebee on an underwater scouting mission, and took part in a pitched battle that ended in the Decepticon's being defeated. {{storylink|Search for Treasure Under the Sea}} When [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] dropped rocks on the Autobots, Optimus used [[Roller (G1)|Roller]] to eliminate most of them. Unfortunately he was forced to surrender when he saw the other Autobots had been captured by the Decepticons, and was placed in a [[special Autobot prison]]. Luckily Bumblebee remained free, and after he'd rescued the others, Optimus wrapped Megatron up with an iron bar. {{storylink|Bumblebee to the Rescue!}}

One peaceful day, Optimus decided it was ''too'' quiet, and sent Bumblebee and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] to find out what the Decepticons were up to. Sure enough, the Decepticons were looking for a factory, so Optimus had Mirage create a holographic factory as a trick, and ambushed the Decepticons. Optimus himself hurled Megatron into orbit. {{storylink|Decepticon Patrol}} Optimus and his Autobots rescued [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and [[Buster Witwicky (G1)|Buster Witwicky]] when the pair were captured by Decepticons, and afterwards Prime was amazed when Sparkplug repaired [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]]. After Bumblebee and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] discovered that the Decepticons were attacking [[Hoover Dam]], Optimus and his team defeated them. {{storylink|The Deadly Fuel Shortage}}

[[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] reported to Optimus that the Decepticons were stealing gas, and Optimus was able to use Roller to find out the Decepticons were using a [[molecular transfer device]]. The Autobots assaulted the Decepticon stronghold so they could take care of the device. {{storylink|Summertime Coloring Book}} After a rain storm, Optimus and most of the other Autobots went out on patrol. When the Decepticons used a fake message to lure Bumblebee out of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] so they could take it over, Optimus used the same gambit to retake the ship. {{storylink|A Message From Outer Space}}

[[File:Forestrescuemission-bunny.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|Carrots are the right of all fluffy beings!]]
When the Decepticons turned up in the same forest that the Autobots were taking a vacation in, Optimus took great pleasure in stopping them and returning the forest to pristine condition. {{storylink|Forest Rescue Mission}} Optimus was undertaking some repairs when Bumblebee offered to help, but Prime told him the repairs were too hard for him. When later the other Autobots were dismissive of Bumblebee's report of a Decepticon attack, Optimus alone listened to him, and they subsequently defeated the Decepticons. {{storylink|Bumblebee's Dangerous Mission}}

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[[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] warned Optimus about a fuel plant the Decepticons were building, so Optimus took the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] in his trailer and, under the guise of having a delivery for [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]], invaded the construction site and defeated the Decepticons. After this victory, Optimus turned his gaze skywards, and thanked Cosmos for his contribution to the Autobot cause. {{storylink|The Autobot Spy in the Sky}}

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===Deadly Paradise===
[[File:DeadlyParadise-Optimus and Troops.jpg|thumb|upright=1.4|right]]
When Sideswipe was accused and convicted of destroying the [[Nova Suspension Bridge]], Optimus was infuriated that one of his own Autobots could commit such a heinous act. Optimus was tasked to hunt down and deactivate Sideswipe, though the task proved to be easy as Sideswipe did not run, hide or resist. After Optimus had deactivated Sideswipe, he was approached by Prowl, who pointed out that Sideswipe's actions made little sense, as he had committed the crime in broad daylight before many witnesses. Agreeing that the Decepticons might be behind the situation, Optimus allowed Prowl to take a team of Autobots to [[Carob Island]] to clear Sideswipe's name while Optimus and Jazz stayed behind to continue working on human/Autobot relations. Prowl returned with evidence that it was indeed a Decepticon-controlled clone of Sideswipe that had committed the crime. Optimus then presumably reactivated Sideswipe when his name was cleared. {{storylink|Deadly Paradise}}

===Kid Stuff Talking Story Books===
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Optimus and Prowl received message from [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]] of a coal transport in [[Africa]], and discovered Megatron was using human slaves. Megatron detonated his coal mines with the world's largest explosion, killing the humans and forging the world's largest diamond — that he would use to as a lens for a [[Crystal satellite|satellite]] to focus the Sun's beams, melting the [[Rocky Mountains]]! Prime ordered Skyfire to attack the satellite, and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] to build a square mile panel of metal to deflect the beam, blowing the satellite up. {{storylink|Satellite of Doom}} The Decepticons attempted to drain the [[Prudhoe Bay oil reservoir]], causing volcanic eruptions and Russia to approach America, accelerating tensions between the countries. Optimus ordered [[razon gas]] to be pumped into the reservoir, returning the [[oil]] below and raising the Decepticons' aquatic drill. {{storylink|When Continents Collide}}

Accompanied by Prowl, Optimus went to [[Sumatra]] and discovered much of the jungle had been destroyed. The Decepticons tried to destroy the [[Brazil]]ian jungle and take its oil, but once again the Autobots stopped them. {{storylink|Storms of Destruction}} Following a battle between the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]]s and the Decepticons, Optimus ordered [[Slag (G1)|Slag]] be repaired by Ratchet at their [[Antarctica|Antarctic]] oil supply. Tracking Slag, Megatron attempted to destroy the base with the [[Crusher (G1)|Crusher]], slicing icebergs off the continent. Optimus ordered [[Autobot superjet]]s to counterattack, but the battle was won when Megatron unwittingly reawakened hundreds of dormant Dinobots beneath the ice. {{storylink|Jaws of Terror}} Optimus and Prowl were baffled by Megatron's next strategy, a series of hit-and-run attacks in the Pacific rim. It emerged it was a distraction from the enslavement of the population of [[Buru]]. Optimus, Prowl and the Dinobots arrived and fought off the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticons]], foiling the scheme to drain the island's oil. {{storylink|Slaves of the Insecticons}} When Megatron planned to drain the world's largest [[oil tanker|supertanker]], Optimus had the oil tainted with a corrosive acid, sabotaging the Decepticon submersible. The Autobots flew the tanker to [[New York City]], and ordered the few witnesses' memory to be wiped. Wow. {{storylink|Attack of the Decepticons}}

===Big Looker Story Books===
[[File:KidsPrime1.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|And the fluffy kitten played with that yarn all gosh-darn night.]]
After a thousand years of war on Cybertron, the planet was shaken from its orbit and risked being smashed to pieces by an asteroid field. Optimus decided to take a group of Autobots in the Ark and destroy the asteroids, but they were attacked by the Decepticons, and Optimus crashed the ship on Earth. Four million years later, the Ark repaired them, and they encountered [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]] and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]]. Sparkplug suggested to Prime that the Autobots tap the volcano they'd crashed into for power. The two humans also warned the Autobots of an impending Decepticon attack, and Optimus laid a trap. Unfortunately the Decepticon forces attacked from all directions, and [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]'s [[null-ray]] put Optimus out of commission. Luckily Sparkplug easily fixed him, and his fast recovery inspired the Autobots to chase the Decepticons off. Optimus vowed to protect this new world. {{storylink|Battle for Cybertron}}

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When a two-part race was being held with a massive supply of oil and gasoline as the prize, both the Decepticons and the Autobots badly wanted to win it. Megatron entered the race by hiding himself inside a [[big black car|hollowed-out car]] and harassed [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] all throughout the contest. When Prime discovered the car was being driven by his arch foe, he swiftly pulled a telephone pole out from the ground and used it to bash the mortal hell out of the cheating Decepticon. Thanks to Prime's violent intervention, Cliffjumper was able to win the race. Afterward, Optimus Prime celebrated the Minibot's victory with a gargantuan smile as all the Decepticons starved to death. {{storylink|The Great Car Rally}}

The morning after a particularly vicious battle, Optimus listened to birdsong and pondered life as a giant robot, before asking [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] for a damage report. The Autobots were puzzled when the Decepticon [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s (and [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] and [[Buzzsaw (G1)|Buzzsaw]]) did a flyby on their camp, as the Decepticons were similarly damaged after the battle, but [[Shooting Star]] reported that the Decepticons were trying to distract them while an attempt was made to secure a broken-down oil truck a few miles away. Optimus took a small group to investigate, and successfully aided the [[Abe Walters|humans]] in getting their truck moving. [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] was instrumental in stopping the Decepticon attack, and Optimus commended the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobot]] for his valor. {{storylink|Decepticon Hijack}}

On another beautiful day, Optimus sat under a tree with [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]], discussing the Decepticons. A while later, [[Beachcomber (G1)|Beachcomber]] reported that [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] had shot at him. Optimus smelled a Decepticon plot and led an assault on their headquarters, only to find that Grapple had been injected with a [[cerebro-shell]], placing him in Decepticon control. Battle commenced, during which Grapple was freed and helped them defeat the Decepticon. Afterward Optimus said it all had been worth it to get Grapple back. {{storylink|Insecticon Attack!}}

===Ladybird Books continuity===
{{voiceactor|[[Blain Fairman]] (English)}}
[[File:Ladybird prime transforms.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|The ghost of Optimus Prime possesses...himself?]]
Upon witnessing the incredible power of a lightning storm for the first time, Optimus Prime had Sparkplug Witwicky explain the phenomenon to him. Intrigued by the potential of lightning, Prime put [[Huffer (G1)|Huffer]] and [[Gears (G1)|Gears]] to work finding a way to harness its energy, so they could use it to aid in the rebuilding of their spaceship. Huffer constructed a giant lightning rod, and Optimus Prime and the Autobots gathered to watch its first test. They were shocked, however, when a fleet of battered, damaged Decepticons flew out of the mountain housing the antenna and off into the night. The evil robots had attempted to discover the device's secrets and been seriously electrocuted! Once the lightning rod had been checked, Prime vowed to make the lightning-harnessing technology the Autobots' gift to Earth once they had left the planet. {{storylink|Autobots' Lightning Strike}}

When the Decepticons tried to take control of a solar energy station, Prime sent Roller in to investigate. {{storylink|Megatron's Fight for Power}} Later, Prime sent [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] to spy on the Decepticons' latest misdeeds, and the Autobots discovered that they were having trouble with the ion drive of their starship. Prime led the Autobots in an attack on the mine the Decepticons were using to test their propulsion system and routed Megatron's force. {{storylink|Autobots Fight Back}}

Optimus Prime grew concerned when [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] picked up a communication from [[Laserbeak (G1)|Laserbeak]] that indicated the Decepticons had grown interested in a mysterious structure near a human village. Prime and a team of Autobots headed out to investigate, and they battled the Decepticons over the structure, which turned out to be a harmless windmill. {{storylink|Laserbeak's Fury}}

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At some point, Optimus Prime disappeared under mysterious circumstances, and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] arrived from Cybertron to take his place as Autobot commander. {{storylink|Galvatron's Air Attack}} Prime eventually returned many centuries later, now sporting a [[Powermaster]] body, and rejoined the Transformers' war after it had moved from Earth to the alien planet of [[Nebulos]].

When [[Highbrow (G1)|Highbrow]] was captured by the Decepticon leader [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]], Optimus Prime agreed to surrender himself to ensure his fellow Autobot's safety. Naturally, though, Prime did not expect Scorponok to hold up his end of the bargain, and he had [[Hosehead (G1)|Hosehead]] and [[Fizzle]] rescue Highbrow while he allowed himself to be imprisoned. Their mission successful, Hosehead and Fizzle then sprang Prime from his cell, and the team beat a hasty retreat. {{storylink|Autobot Hostage}}

After weeks of Decepticon silence, Optimus Prime decided to get proactive and sent out patrols all over the planet to try and flush the villains out. None of the patrols reported back with any success, however, and Prime realized that there was one area of the planet that his troops had deliberately ignored: the mysterious "[[Nebulos Triangle]]". [[Quickswitch]], [[Scoop (G1)|Scoop]] and [[Quickmix (G1)|Quickmix]] were sent into the Triangle, and they did indeed discover and foil the Decepticon plot going on in the area. {{storylink|Decepticons Underground}}
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===Listen 'n Fun audiobooks continuity===
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Optimus had [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and Huffer plant false information to mislead the Decepticons. As the Autobots were in need of a new power source, he sent [[Cliffjumper (G1)|Cliffjumper]] to find Doctor [[Heath Blaisedale]] and had to apologize to the doctor after Cliffjumper kidnapped her. Persuading her to help them, the Autobots traveled to the solar plant to make use of her solar reactor, only to find the Decepticons were already planning to attack it. While the other Autobots re-energized, Optimus protected them from an attack by [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Thundercracker (G1)|Thundercracker]] and [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]]. [[Ravage (G1)|Ravage]] abducted Blaisedale as a diversion, forcing Optimus to lead a team and rescue her. When the team returned, the plant was already under attack and Optimus helped the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] drive them off. Unfortunately the Dinobots totaled the plant in the process, and Optimus promised Blaisedale the Autobots would help her rebuild. In return, Blaisedale organized a meeting with the [[President of the United States]] so the Autobots could forge an alliance. {{storylink|Sun Raid (Listen 'n Fun)}}

===Listen 'n Play audiobooks continuity===
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When [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] brought [[Steve Guymo]] to the Autobot base, Optimus and the other Autobots realized that the Decepticons were behind the abduction of humans from airports across the nation. They were able to find the captive humans, whom the Decepticons were intending to ransom to the US government, and free them before engaging Starscream and his squad in battle. With the Decepticons defeated, the Autobots returned to base where Optimus thanked Steve for his help. {{storylink|Sun Raid (Listen 'n Play)}}

===The Special Teams===
After crashing on Earth in the Ark and remaining dormant for millions of years, Optimus, along with Sideswipe and Ratchet, were the first Autobots to awaken after the Decepticons’ own resurrection. These three helped the other Autobots repair themselves with the aid of the Ark’s computer.

Some time later, as the war raged between Autobots and Decepticons on Earth, Optimus had requested the Aerialbots as reinforcements from Cybertron. Though they nearly defected to the Decepticons, Optimus was able to secure the Aerialbots as allies. Later, when a power plant had to be evacuated of its human workers due to the fear of landslides, Optimus posted Denfensor at the location to secure its protection. Optimus then drove off to check up on the rest of his troops who were aiding in the area’s evacuation. Though he passed a military convoy heading towards a plant, he thought nothing of it, unaware that they were the newly created Combaticons in disguise. Optimus then reached the Ark, and from there opened communications with the Aerialbots. Optimus had someone come into the know that the Decepticons were moving in towards the plant. He watched from afar as Defensor and Superion fought Menasor and Bruticus, wary to send more Autobots into the fray while these titans wreaked havoc onto the battlefield. Optimus allowed himself a smile when the Aerialbots and the Protectobots proved themselves superior teams to the Decepticons’, though at the back of his mind, he was wary. After all, Megatron himself had chosen not to add his considerably weight to the battle... {{storylink|The Special Teams}}
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===The Battle for Planet Earth===
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In search of new energy sources, Optimus led a team to central [[South America]]. When they spotted [[Mount Sheelah]], their two human friends [[John Gordon|John]] and [[Tim Gordon]] explained volcanoes, and, believing it to be of possible use, the Autobots went to examine it. During a battle with the Decepticons over the volcano, Optimus was convinced by the two humans to retreat, ultimately saving them when Mount Sheelah erupted. {{storylink|Terror of Mount Sheelah}} After discovering that the Decepticons were kidnapping humans, Optimus sent [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] to scout the Decepticon base. When Bumblebee returned with the Decepticons' [[global crystal]], Optimus was able to use it to blackmail the Decepticons into letting the humans go. {{storylink|Bumblebee to the Rescue (G1)|Bumblebee to the Rescue}}

Using their network of human allies, the Autobots tracked the Decepticons to [[Stanley Lake]]. When Optimus learned that the Decepticons had taken over the hydro-plant, he lured them out into the valley in front of the dam so that [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and the humans could flood the valley, washing the Decepticons away. {{storylink|Menace at the Dam}} [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] attempted to defect as part of a ploy to get a spy into the Autobots' midst, but Optimus wasn't fooled at all. He and his men concocted a false plan which they shared with Starscream, and while the Decepticons were subsequently on [[Deuterium Orbital Laser Tracing System|a wild goose chase]], Optimus's team smashed the Decepticon base flat. As they let Starscream go, Optimus couldn't help mocking him. {{storylink|Espionage!!!!!}}

====Ask Vector Prime====
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The Autobots subsequently returned to Cybertron aboard a refueled and repaired ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' with the defeated Decepticons, taking the Decepticons on Cybertron unawares and quickly capturing control Cybertron. Peace reigned for a time until a series of natural disasters began, the source of which was determined to be the planet [[Moebius]] in [[Gargent 087.0 Kappa|a parallel universe]]. The Autobots assembled a team to travel to this alternate universe and stop the threat; Optimus Prime personally led the team, unwilling to put anyone in more danger than himself. Wheeljack, Hoist, Jazz, Prowl, and Silverstreak comprised the rest of the team; they dubbed themselves [[Spy Changer]]s because they aimed to achieve their goal with stealth and diplomacy. The team modified their bodies to match the native cyborgs using data acquired from the [[Sky Spy]] and traveled to the 22nd Strata but were soon attacked by the local [[Guardian (GoBots)|Guardian]]s, who mistakenly presumed them to be [[Renegade]]s. The Spy Changers were then rescued by the real Renegades, who presumed them to be potential allies and took them back to their flagship, the ''[[Rogue Star]]''. Renegade leader [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]] attempted to court the Spy Changers as allies, but Optimus saw through Cy-Kill's deception. Eventually, the Autobots formed a secret alliance with the Guardians as well as discovered the cause of Cybertron's troubles: Renegade bases on Moebius were draining the planet's energy. The planet's geometry had turned it into a crude [[Dimensional Interfacer]], and Moebius was tapping into Cybertron to sustain itself. Hoist was able to end the crisis by triggering the bases' remote detonation sequence. Cy-Kill was furious, but in the ensuing battle, the Autobot-Guardian alliance triumphed over the Renegades. Optimus Prime and [[Leader-1 (GoBots)|Leader-1]] shook hands as a symbol of the transdimensional friendship, and the Autobots returned to their home reality, secure in the knowledge that they had allies in places as distant as alternate realities. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/30}}

Some time later, Optimus was botnapped by Megatron's [[Renegade Decepticon]]s and taken to another reality. {{storylink|Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric|Renegade Rhetoric (2), 2016/05/02}}
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===Toy pack-in material===
While exploring Cybertron's hemisphere of darkness, Optimus Prime became severly damaged, and unable to return to the hemisphere of light. Having been able to send out one last message before his memory was badly damaged, Optimus found himself unable to distinguish friend from foe, and would join (or rejoin) whichever faction found him first. {{storylink|Optimus Prime Is Back}}

Optimus toppled the mighty [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]], stopping the titan from attacking some power-lines. He next moved on to blasting Devastator's back-up, [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Sweepstakes Offer!}}
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===Highway Clash===
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Optimus and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] secretly guarded a shipment of microchips that could be used to imbue sentience onto robots. Posing as the lorry transporting the precious cargo across the Yorkshire Dales, he was attacked by [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] who sought the microchips to create an army of Decepticons. With [[you]]r help, Optimus may or may not have been successful in keeping the microchips out of the Decepticons' hands. {{storylink|Highway Clash}}
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===Find Your Fate Junior===
More than any other Transformer in these micro-continuity-nexuses, Optimus Prime had to make a ''lot'' of tough decisions. So tough in fact, that he usually needed help...from [[you]]!
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====Dinobots Strike Back====
In the first nexus, when [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]] reported back to Autobot HQ that the other [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] were being controlled by [[Bombshell (G1)|Bombshell's]] [[cerebro-shell]]s, Optimus had to decide whether to stop them with an immediate full-scale assault, or consult the Ark's computer. If he led an immediate attack, the cerebro-shells were jolted loose when his troops carried out his order to, "Bring them down fast and hard". If he consulted the computer, he then had to choose between its plan to have [[Windcharger (G1)|Windcharger]] remove the shells from a distance with his magnetic powers, or go with [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage's]] idea to lure the Dinobots over [[Bandit's Bluff]] with an Optimus Prime hologram. If he chose Mirage's plan, the Dinobots charged over the cliff and into the ocean, where they were salvaged for repairs back at base. If he let Windcharger lead operations at the bluff so he could confer with [[Skids (G1)|Skids]] about some strange activity near [[Dolphin's Bay]], it was out of his hands whether Windcharger accidentally tore the Dinobots to bits, or harmlessly removed the cerebro-shells. The latter outcome led to [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] telling Optimus that Bombshell said controlling them was just part of a larger plan, and the Autobot leader realized that it might tie in to Skids's report. Skids and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] could investigate in [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack's]] new mini-sub, but should he send [[Sludge (G1)|Sludge]] along with them?

If he didn't send Sludge with them, the odds were 2 to 1 that the Autobots would all be destroyed as part of Operation Black Coral. The one possible positive outcome ended with Optimus fighting a duel against [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] atop [[Mount Lomas]] in which Prime (somehow) split into his three components to surround his archenemy. This provoked [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] into "assisting" his leader with an earthquake that destroyed the Decepticons' entire superfuel operation.

If Optimus ''did'' send Sludge to Dolphin's bay, he ensured the Autobots' triumph in four different outcomes! Three of these involved Optimus leading a full-scale assault on the Decepticon base hidden in Mount Lomas, and whether he followed [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl's]] or Windcharger's plan of attack, Operation Black Coral was terminated. {{storylink|Dinobots Strike Back}}
====Battle Drive====
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Suspicious at the lack of recent Decepticon activity, Optimus Prime sent Bumblebee out on a scouting mission. When Bumblebee did not return for some time, Optimus began to worry, and sent out Prowl, Hound and Swoop to check up on the little Autobot.

In several versions of the events that unfolded next, Swoop would return to the Autobots' headquarters, and inform Optimus and his troops that the rest of his group was under Decepticon attack, and Optimus would subsequently lead his troops to rescue them.

In an alternate version of the following events, Bumblebee would return to base, reporting that the Decepticons were planning to destroy the humans' farmlands in an attempt to starve mankind and force them into submission. Upon hearing these news, Optimus gathered a squad of Autobots and headed out to stop the evil robots. However, once they found themselves in the open country, they found themselves at the mercy of a Decepticon ambush; Bumblebee had been fed false information! In one iteration of the events that followed, Optimus could have avoided his death if only he had listened to [[you]]r warning! In another iteration, Optimus had to decide whether he should send his Autobots away to the safety of a nearby bridge while he fended off the encroaching Decepticon horde, or if he should remain by the side of his troops as they all made a break for the bridge. Remaining as a single unit would spell their doom, but by sticking together, the Autobots could make it back to the safety of their base. {{storylink|Battle Drive}}
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====Attack of the Insecticons====
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In the third nexus, Optimus oversaw [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] testing [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]]'s latest invention, the [[Sun-Pak]], a miraculous device capable of fuelling a Transformer for an entire Earth day after being charged for only an hour in sunlight. As the trial-run wound down to an end, the Decepticons suddenly burst into the Autobots' secret underground testing facility, forcing Optimus to decide whether to order a tactical retreat, or have his Autobots fight the intruders despite his troops' low energy reserves. If he chose to stand and fight, he had the additional choice to either make the Autobots concentrate on Starscream, who is leading the charge against the Autobots, or divide his troops' attention onto all of the Decepticon assailants. If Optimus chose to attempt to eliminate Starscream once and for all, the Decepticon Seeker would beg for mercy, forcing Optimus into a choice yet again: accept the snivelling Decepticon's surrender, or continue his attempt to end Starscream's evil once and for all. Accepting Starscream's surrender spells victory for the Autobots, whereas ignoring Starscream pleas ultimately leads to Sparkplug being kidnapped by the Decepticons, necessitating Optimus to send Buster, Blaster and Bumblebee on a perilous retrieval mission while the other Autobots recharge at the Autobots' home base.

Alternatively, if Optimus chose to retreat either when initially confronted with the overwhelming Decepticon threat, or after realizing that his troops are too weak to fight after ordering them to concentrate their firepower equally amongst the intruding Decepticons, the ensuing underground adventure can have multiple outcomes; the Autobots become the captive of the Insecticons, forcing Optimus to either entrust Beachcomber with the fate of his troops, or to bargain with the Insecticons for the safe release of his Autobots; or dealing with the theft of the Sun-Pak by either duelling Megatron for the device's ownership, stealing the Sun-Pak back from the Decepticons or charging Mirage and Buster with the device's retrieval. If Optimus duels Megatron for the device, he either wins through brute force or by being more "cunning" than Megatron and destroying the device before the Decepticons can claim it as their victory prize. If Optimus attempts to steal the Sun-Pak under the Decepticons' noses, Optimus is shot by Megatron when the Decepticon leader notices Optimus and Smokescreen skulking towards the Sun-Pak. The Autobots nonetheless retrieve it when Smokescreen blots out the sun with his emission fumes, forcing Megatron to pass the Sun-Pak towards Buzzsaw in order to bypass the Autobots' smog cover, only for Optimus to intercept Megatron's pass and drive away with the Sun-Pak in Autobot possession. Finally, if Optimus has entrusted the Sun-Pak's retrieval to Mirage and Buster, the Autobot leader makes the duo swear not to engage the enemy for fear of their safety. If his Autobots keep their promise to him, Optimus is called in alongside the rest of the Autobots when the Insecticons are discovered, and Optimus leads a successful ambush towards the Insecticons, at the cost of the Sun-Pak itself. {{storylink|Attack of the Insecticons}}

====Earthquake====
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Optimus was enjoying the lull in Decepticon activity along with the rest of his Autobots, when he recommended that Beachcomber take a vacation. Beachcomber gladly accepted.

In one possible scenario, Optimus was surprised to see Beachcomber return to Autobot headquarters soon after his departure. Beachcomber informed Optimus that he had uncovered the Decepticon's newest hidden fortress, and he suspected that the Decepticons were up to something big. Optimus sent out Beachcomber once more, this time along with Powerglide and Windcharger to investigate the Decepticons' plot further.

Optimus then stood at the ready to send over reinforcements when called upon by Beachcomber’s squad.

In one possible sequence of events, Powerglide was captured and reprogrammed by the Decepticons, leading their army to Autobot headquarters. Taken by surprised, the Autobots were felled one by one until only Optimus remained. As Megatron gloated that he would not kill Optimus, only alter him so as to make him the bane of humanity, Optimus activated the Ark’s self-destruct sequence, taking all of the Decepticons with him in a fiery explosion.

In another possible sequence of events, the trio returned to Autobot headquarters to relate their findings to Optimus Prime. The Decepticons planned to use a Destruction Beam to create a fault line near Center City, which would in turn be exploited by Rumble’s earthquake-inducing abilities to destroy the entire area. The Autobots then decided to split up in two groups, one to attack the Decepticons’ fortress, the other to stop Rumble in Center City. Optimus headed the lead team.

If Optimus decided to send the lead team to attack the Decepticon headquarters, the team managed to infiltrate the Decepticon headquarters by using Beachcomber’s knowledge of the secret doors’ location, and Brawn’s strength to keep the doors opened. The Autobots then stormed the fortress, and Optimus maimed Megatron himself with a shot of his rifle. He then grappled the Decepticon leader, and forced him to lead himself, Inferno and Beachcomber to the Decepticons’ lab. There, the Autobots disabled and destroyed the Destruction Beam device, captured Megatron, and left many Decepticons permanently maimed. Though they later traded Megatron back to the Decepticons for the safe relief of the Autobots captured in Center City, the Autobots were ultimately victorious that day.

If Optimus decided to send the lead team to defend Center City, he carries Cosmos in his trailer, so as not to cause a panic amongst the humans. Miserable in his current position, Cosmos asked Optimus to let him join the secondary team’s attack on the fortress, where he felt he would be more helpful.

If Optimus insisted that Cosmos stay with the group, the Autobots’ next objective would be to meet up with Sparkplug, with whom they consulted on whether the Autobots should enter Centre City in their [[robot mode]]s or in their [[alternate mode|vehicle mode]]s.

If Sparkplug suggested that the Autobots not worry about subtlety, the entire squad transformed and began prowling the streets in search of Decepticons. Oblivious to the panic they were causing, Optimus assumed that the Decepticons were spotted nearby when a police officer declared that the city was under siege by giant robots. Unable to restore order in time to halt the Decepticons’ plot, Optimus and the rest of his team were destroyed in the ensuing earthquake.

If Sparkplug suggested that the Autobots remained in their vehicle modes, he would concoct a plan where the Autobots would help evacuate the entire town in their vehicle modes. With no more than four trips in and out of the city, Optimus and the rest of the team carried out the plan without incident. The Autobots then transformed and engaged the approaching Decepticons, whom they easily dispatched. With the city safe, the Autobots moved out to help their comrades at the Decepticon fortress.

In an alternate scenario, wherein Beachcomber, Windcharger and Powerglide were captured by the Decepticons while snooping around the secret fortress, Optimus was tricked into leading his troops to their doom by a false S.O.S. sent out by Megatron.

In yet another possible scenario, Beachcomber returned from his day off early to inform Optimus that Jessie had been taken prisoner by the Decepticons. Optimus deployed a team of Autobots to go to the girl’s rescue. Shortly before arriving at their destination, the Autobots had to choose their next course of action; they could either storm the Decepticon fortress by force, or try to sneak in through a secret passage Buster had previously discovered.

If they decided to storm the fortress, Beachcomber would become nervous, and urge his fellow Autobots to find a more peaceful way to resolve the situation. Optimus sternly told him that this was not the time for one of his anti-war speeches. This moment of hesitation ultimately cost the Autobots the battle, and the Decepticons triumphed that day.

If they decided a stealthier approach, the Autobots quietly entered the Decepticon base, and set out to shoot down any Decepticons they encountered, save Megatron, whom they planned to capture. After encountering some resistance from their foes, the Autobots came upon branch in the passageway, and had to choose to go left or right.

If they took the right passageway, the group soon happened upon Jessie, whom they freed. Telling them she knew the location of the Decepticons’ lab, Jessie then led the group into a Decepticon trap; she had been brainwashed. The Autobots were captured and Megatron’s plan to destroy Center City came to fruition.

If they took the left passageway, the group happened upon Megatron’s lab. Though Megatron attempted to trick Optimus into activating the Fortress’s self-destruct sequence, Optimus was too clever to be duped. After deactivating both the Destruction beam and the Decepticons themselves, the Autobots found Jessie tied up in a cell. The Autobots then celebrated their victory by guzzling a few quarts of fine-grade oil.

In a final possible path, wherein the Decepticons attempted to turn Beachcomber into a Decepticon double agent but fumbled the process, Optimus made Beachcomber into an Autobot double agent. With his help, the Autobots hoped to soon win their war with the Decepticons. {{storylink|Earthquake (book)|Earthquake}}
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====Desert Flight====
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When the Autobot-Decepticon civil war had yet to expand beyond Cybertron, Optimus had encountered a Decepticon weapon that weakened the gravitational pull within a confined area. The weapon being unreliable, Optimus had always assumed the Decepticons would not bother attempting to use it again.

Now on Earth, Optimus was leading a group of his best scouts on a fuel-finding mission when they heard a tremendous explosion go off nearby. Optimus recognized the sound of the explosion as being Dirge’s concussion missiles. Though Powerglide offered to go investigate the explosion, Optimus opted to send out Cosmos instead.

If Cosmos radioed his findings to Optimus immediately, Optimus’s convoy moved in to investigate a nearby Decepticon base. En route, the Autobots passed near a human town, but began floating in mid-air before being able to reach it. Optimus quickly deduced that this phenomenon was caused by an anti-gravity beam, courtesy of the Decepticons. Worried about the nearby humans also being affected by the lapse in gravity, Optimus had to decide whether he would order his troops to stop and help the townspeople, or to continue forward and attack the Decepticon base.

If Optimus ordered his troops to come to the humans’ aid, they found themselves taking part in a struggle in futility, as the entire town was near-weightless, meaning they couldn’t put the humans anywhere where they wouldn’t float away once more. Then, the Autobots heard Decepticons approaching. Helpless in their current position, the Autobots were quickly eradicated by the Decepticons.

If Optimus ordered his troops to attack the Decepticon base, they soon reached an area free of the anti-gravity beam’s influence. They were then attacked by a small fleet of Decepticons. Optimus targeted their squad leader, Dirge, knowing that by downing him, the Decepticons would be significantly demoralized. Dirge was forced to break-off his attack when his back-up was taken out, knowing he wouldn’t be able to take Optimus on without it. Losing their advantage quickly, the Decepticons retreated. But with the battle over, the Autobots noticed a small human boy at their feet. The boy was [[Buddy]], a stowaway from the nearby town, and though Optimus was displeased with the tag-along, the Autobots could not spare the time to bring him home. Arriving at the Decepticon base, Megatron delivered an ultimatum; if the Autobots did not surrender Optimus Prime to the Decepticons immediately, he would use his gravity beam to have the nearby humans float off into space.

If the Autobots decided to continue with their initial plan to simply attack the Decepticon base, their advance was halted by a force field. Megatron then fired his beam in all directions, causing a ripple effect that sent everything not fastened down to the Earth’s surface to float helplessly out into space.

Alternatively, the Autobots could concoct a plan where Optimus would pretend to allow himself to be taken prisoner, per Buddy’s suggestion. The Decepticons, fooled into thinking they’ve won, took Optimus Prime into their base. Having hidden his troops inside his trailer, Optimus and the Autobots then led a surprise attack on their unsuspecting foes.

In the event that Windcharger successfully turned the Decepticons’ forcefield off, reinforcements burst into the base just as Megatron was strike Optimus from behind. A wayward shot from Megatron then revealed the location of the gravity gun to the Autobots. Optimus ordered his troops to charge the weapon. Hook caught Optimus in the gravity gun’s sights, and sent the Autobot leader floating upwards.

If Buddy came to Optimus’s rescue and toyed with the gravity gun’s control panel just as Hook turned the weapon to full power, the weapon would swivel and catch Megatron in its beam, tearing the Decepticon leader to pieces instead of Optimus. The Autobots then proceeded to defeat the remaining Decepticons and claim victory.

If Buddy instead cowered away, Cosmos came to Optimus’s rescue. Optimus then instructed Cosmos to send him flying towards Hook; the pair took out the Constructicon, and gained control of the gravity beam.

If Buddy and Tracks entered a space-time anomaly created during the battle, the Autobots would lose their stand-off against the Decepticons, and Optimus would be taken prisoner by Megatron.

If Tracks decided that Beachcomber could wait, he helped Optimus overload the anti-gravity gun, starting a chain-reaction that would cause the weapon to explode in a tremendous explosion. Optimus instructed both Tracks and Buddy to run away as he finished tampering with the weapon.

If Buddy lingered in wait for Optimus Prime to finish his task, Dirge flew by and dropped a missile onto Optimus, damaging his leg. Thankfully, Buddy assisted Optimus in repairing his leg. The pair then ran to safety as the anti-gravity gun self-destructed, taking a number of Decepticons with it.

If Buddy ran off as Optimus sabotaged the anti-gravity gun, the boy was captured by Laserbeak, prompting Optimus to turn the gravity beam on the Decepticon to free Buddy.

In a completely different possible sequence of events, wherein Cosmos had taken off to explore the Decepticon base on his own, Optimus was surprised to see two Cosmoses flying back towards his convoy some time later. Both Cosmoses declared themselves to be the real one, and urged Optimus to destroy the other.

If Optimus destroyed the wrong Cosmos, the duplicate obliterated Optimus and his squad with the [[proton bomb]] it housed within its body.

If Optimus destroyed the duplicate Cosmos, the real one would inform the Autobots of the Decepticons’ schemes, and the convoy would roll out to take on their adversaries. They were soon met by a squad of flying Decepticons, but were at a strict disadvantage against their adversaries as their vehicle modes possessed no weapons. The Autobots nonetheless managed to fight their way to the Decepticons’ base, one way or another, and defeated the Decepticons by using their own gravity weapon against them. {{storylink|Desert Flight}}
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====Decepticon Poison====
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Optimus was amongst the Autobots about to be topped up with their latest batch of fuel when Red Alert burst into Autobot headquarters, warning everyone about Ramjet being spotted nearby. Red Alert’s warning came in just in time, as the Autobots’ fuel had been poisoned, and Optimus would have been left unable to transform had he ingested any of it.

Optimus was advised of two plans; Perceptor suggested that the Autobots stay on the defensive while the scientist attempt to come up with a cure, while Prowl wanted the healthy Autobots to go out and try to find out what the Decepticons were up to.

If Optimus went along with Perceptor’s plan, he sent out Sparkplug to fetch the Autobots’ secret stash of emergency fuel. Putting all of his faith in the Autobot scientist to uncover a cure swiftly, Optimus attempted to comfort his troops as they all began to experience sickness pains. Then, Red Alert informed Optimus of a Decepticon attack force moving in on their position, prompting Optimus to ask Perceptor to dispense whatever cure he had been able to concoct, despite it being untested. Perceptor suggested another course of action to Optimus; the tainted fuel the Autobots had left untouched could be used to create a poisonous smog if lit aflame. The Autobots could attempt to poison the Decepticons with their own concoction, or they could risk the untested antidote, despite whatever side-effects it may have.

If Optimus decided to risk Perceptor’s antidote, he stood by as the Autobot scientist attempted to figure out how much antidote was a safe amount to give out to each Autobot.

If Perceptor gave out the right amount of an antidote, the poisoned Autobots were cured. Optimus ordered his troops to ready themselves for the incoming squadron of Decepticons. Perceptor’s antidote did have a side-effect on the Autobots, however; it gave them a fierce battle-fever, making them eager to take on the Decepticons head-on. Prowl suggested to Optimus that they instead opt for a more conniving counterstrike against the Decepticons, and ambush them instead.

If Optimus allowed the cured Autobots to charge headlong into battle, he and the rest of the Autobots who were still running low on fuel stayed behind as back-up to the main charge. The Autobots’ first wave of warriors were quickly overpowered by the arrival of Megatron, prompting Optimus to lead the energy-depleated Autobots into the fray. Optimus’s opening volley struck down Shockwave. Optimus and his troops soon found themselves running on empty, and Optimus called for a retreat. Thankfully, the Decepticons were damaged enough through the course of the battle, causing them to retreat as well.

If Optimus instead followed Prowl’s plan, he instructed his troops to transform into vehicle mode and play dead. The Decepticons, believing the Autobots’ ruse, disarmed themselves in order to carry out the Autobots’ “carcasses.” Now with the element of surprise against unarmed opponent, the Autobots Transformed and were able to easily defeat the evil robots.

In another possible turn of events, Perceptor gave out too much of his antidote to each Autobot. The Autobots who received the antidote soon found themselves falling apart, leaving Optimus and the rest outmatched against the greater number of Decepticons.

Alternatively, if Optimus chose to use the tainted fuel against the Decepticons, he ordered Grapple to carry out the vat outside of headquarters. He then instructed Grapple to lower the vat into a nearby pit, and instructed Jazz to torch the fuel with his flamethrower. He and Jazz waited until the last possible moment to carry out their plan, and once the fuel was lit, they dived to safety inside the Autobot base with the other Autobots. As the toxic cloud successfully turned away the Decepticons, Optimus was surprised to see Sunstreaker once more fully operational. Having been bought enough time, Perceptor was able to successfully cure the poisoned Autobots. Their ranks fully replenished and the Decepticons turning tail meant the Autobots had earned themselves another victory.

In a completely different scenario, Optimus agreed to Prowl’s plan to go on the offensive and try and discover the full extent of the Decepticons’ plans. Optimus nominated Prowl, Bumblebee and Mirage to go along with him on the mission. The group refuelled with the gas that Sparkplug brought back from the Autobots’ secret storage area, and took off. The group soon happened upon the Decepticons’ lab in the middle of a barren, polluted wasteland.

If all four Autobots ventured together into the Decepticons’ lab, they first encountered Laserbeak, only to quickly dispatch him. Venturing further into the lab, the group soon spotted the antidote they were after, and sent Mirage to fetch it. Mirage returned with the beaker and news; he had heard Ramjet and Starscream talking about using a new poison to turn humans into mindless slaves.

In light of this news, if Optimus decided to nonetheless head back directly to Autobot headquarters, his squad returned to find their comrades nearly dead from the poison. But with Ratchet’s help, the antidote was quickly distributed, and the Autobots sprung back to life. Now cured, the Autobots discussed their next course of action; they had to prevent the Decepticons from poisoning the nearby water reservoir.

If Optimus led his troops back to the Decepticons’ poison lab, the convoy happened upon the Decepticons hauling barrels of poison out of the poison lab. Windcharger and Ironhide suggested two different plans to Optimus: Windcharger wanted to use his magnetic powers to cause a confusion, while Ironhide wanted to simply go in for a full frontal assault.

Whether Optimus decided to go with Windcharger or Ironhide's plan, the Autobots successfully destroyed the Decepticons’ lab and returned to base victoriously.

Alternatively, if Optimus decided to head to the water reservoir instead of the Decepticons’ lab, the Autobots reached their destination only to find it already swarming with Decepticons. Powerglide then decided to go ahead on his own to lead the Decepticons away from the reservoir, but Optimus objected.

If Powerglide did not heed Optimus orders, he indadvertedly caused the water supply to be poisoned anyways. If however, Powerglide listened to Optimus’s orders, the Autobots attempted to lure the Decepticons away from the reservoir and into some nearby woods, where the Autobots would have some cover against the Decepticons. Finding themselves under heavy fire before they could reach the treeline, the Autobots were forced to fight back in the open. With Autobots falling beside him, Optimus gritted his teeth and took careful aim at the poison containers the Decepticons were carrying. After taking out both of the planes carrying the poison, Optimus continued to battle Megatron and his Decepticons until nightfall, until the Autobots were finally victorious.

If however Optimus ordered his troops to deal with the Decepticons before returning to base with the antidote, Prowl suggested that he use his incendiary missiles to destroy the poison first, but Optimus thought that course of action might be too risky. He considered dealing with Ramjet and Starscream first.

If the Autobots went along with Prowl’s strategy, the resulting heat from the explosion caused the Autobots’ circuits to overheat, rendering them unconscious. Upon reawakening, the Autobots found themselves captives of Megatron, who informed them that their fellow Autobots would soon perish, and that the humans would be conquered by the Decepticons shortly after.

If Optimus instead decided to deal with Ramjet and Starscream first, his troop easily overpowered the pair, and made them watch as they destroyed their work. Optimus then taunted Ramjet and Starscream, telling them that the Autobots would soon be at full fighting force, before returning to Autobot headquarters with the antidote.

If instead of all heading into the lab together, the Autobots had sent in Bumblebee alone, and Bumblebee subsequently managed to escape with the antidote to the Decepticons’ poison, the Autobots escaped from the [[Decepticon Poison Lab|Valley of Poison]] and returned to Autobot headquarters. Once the other Autobots were cured, they all drank a toast to Bumblebee, to celebrate his part in the mission {{storylink|Decepticon Poison}}
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===Milton Bradley mini-comic===
Optimus was one of the many soldiers fighting under the command of the Autobot leader, [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]]. He was among the Autobots who launched in the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to clear a path through an asteroid belt. When the Decepticons attacked the ship, he fought a Seeker Decepticon while Jetfire sent the Ark crashing into [[Earth]], knocking everyone aboard offline. Four million years later, they were repaired when the ship's systems were reactivated by a volcanic eruption. {{storylink|In the Transformers}}

===Frito-Lay posters===
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Optimus and his Autobots defended important data about the power source of [[Sherman Dam|Boulder Dam]]. He blasted Megatron with full fury! Ultimately, the Autobots were victorious in defending the dam. {{storylink|Battle in the Desert Valley}}
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===''Transformers in 3-D''===
Not long after his resurrection, Optimus was alerted by [[Monitorus]] to an attack on [[Tau-Ursa]]. Optimus's impending speech was interrupted by a Decepticon attack led by [[Sixshot]]. Prime soon discovered that the attack was a diversion, while Galvatron tried out his [[Nullification Cannon]] on Cybertron's Energon supplies. Optimus rushed to the Energon plant, but, after clouting [[Slugslinger (G1)|Slugslinger]] so hard that the Decepticon was left dangling over a precipice, Prime's morals forced him to rescue the Decepticon instead of stopping Galvatron from getting away.

Although Cybertron's Energon stocks were destroyed, the Autobots discovered a recording pointing to the [[Logicon]] planet [[Metascan Alpha]], which had Energon in abundance. Optimus ordered Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus to take a team each to find the planet. The Autobots discovered they were being spied on by the Decepticon [[Clone (subgroup)|Clone]]s, and Optimus swore that Galvatron could pay. He led a team to the derelict space destroyer which the Decepticons were using for a base and fought their leader one-on-one. As he was about to destroy the Nullification Cannon, [[Scorponok (G1)|Scorponok]] took a swing at him which connected instead with the Cannon, obliterating it. Optimus was helped away from the destruction by [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Sureshot (G1)|Sureshot]]. {{storylink|The War Against the Destructons, Chapter 1 of 3}}

===''Transformers PD Type''===
[[File:PDtype-Matrixattack.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|This is the highlight of this entire page.]]
When a horde of time-displaced Decepticons joined forces to hunt down the five [[Blackball]]s, a super energy source, Optimus Prime gathered a team of time-displaced Autobots to help stop them.

In one encounter with his arch-foe [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], they reenacted their epic struggle from the [[Battle of Autobot City]]. However, this time around, Prime avoided dying by launching his "Matrix Attack"...''literally'' launching the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] from his chest, bonking Megatron on the head. {{storylink|Transformers PD Type##1 "You're Great! Optimus Prime!"|You're Great! Optimus Prime!}}

Later, Optimus Prime and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] concocted a cunning strategy. They disguised a round, black cartoon explosive as a Blackball and gave it to [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. Starscream promptly brought it to Megatron, where it blew both of them up. Optimus and Magnus were astounded their plan actually worked. {{storylink|Transformers PD Type##3 "Don't Cry! Megatron!!"|Don't Cry! Megatron!!}}

In one of his less impressive moments, after running out of ammo during a battle with [[Deathsaurus (Victory)|Deathsaurus]], Optimus Prime ordered his fellow Autobots to improvise and hurl everything that wasn't nailed down at their enemy. This included the Blackball, unfortunately. Catching it, Deathsaurus began to fantasize about his inevitable galactic conquest, all the while being pelted with rocks and litter. Frustrated, Deathsaurus accidentally hurled the Blackball back to the Autobots in a fit of rage. {{storylink|Transformers PD Type##4 "Good Job! Deathsaurus!!"|Good Job! Deathsaurus!!}}
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===The Official ''Transformers: Generation 2'' Annual===
After the Decepticons declared war, junior officer Optimus managed to turn the tide against them in a battle over [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]], and rose up in rank to become Autobot leader. {{storylink|The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual|Optimus Prime's ''The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual'' profile}} His second-in-command, [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], once saved his life after a surprise attack rendered him him temporarily non-functional on the battlefront. {{storylink|The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual|Jazz's ''The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual'' profile}} The war raged for centuries, with Cybertron's fuel sources steadily decreasing. Optimus ordered the construction of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] to seek out new sources of energy, unaware that Megatron was building a ship of his own. The Ark's first foray into space was interrupted by a Decepticon attack, and all involved were too distracted to notice as they entered an asteroid belt. A collision between two meteorites sent the Transformers crashing into Earth. After countless eons of slumber, the Autobots awoke to a world populated by humans, and once more took up the fight against the Decepticons. {{storylink|From Cybertron to Earth the War Continues...}}

After a long period of stalemate, Prime grew frustrated at the lack of progress his troops were making against Megatron's forces. To remedy the situation, he ordered the creation of several new Transformers who would be perfectly adapted for combat on Earth. The first among these was [[Manta Ray (G2)|Pirhana]]. {{storylink|The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual|Piranha's ''The Official Transformers: Generation 2 Annual'' profile}} But one of the Autobots' great victories came not through superior numbers or firepower, but trickery and cunning. As part of a plan devised by Optimus Prime's new second-in-command Prowl, the Autobots allowed [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] to "overhear" that they had uncovered an ancient Cybertronian ship with the means to return to Cybertron. They then stationed themselves around the vessel, atop of [[Table Mountain]] in [[Africa]], and awaited the inevitable Decepticon attack over its possession. Optimus met Megatron in battle, but ordered his troops to withdraw after a brief skirmish, declaring the Decepticons too powerful to hold back. Once the Decepticons claimed their prized and entered the ship, they found themselves locked inside it. The ship then shot up away from the planet, leaving the Decepticons without the means to control it. Though the Autobots knew this wouldn't rid them permanently of the Decepticons, they were satisfied with a brief period of calm while they were off-world. {{storylink|Day of the Decepticons}}

When the Ark's sensors picked up two Transformer power emissions in the [[Brazil|Brazilian]] rain forest of non-Decepticon origin, Optimus headed into the field to investigate, bringing along [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] and [[Fizzle|Blaze]]. Though their search went poorly at first, the surrounding vegetation interfering with their energy trackers, one of the mystery Transformers soon found them! The source of the readings turned out to be two terrifying [[Dinobot (G1)|robot dinosaurs]]! As Optimus charged one of them, [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] and his troops turned up, and blasted the Autobot leader unconscious. He awoke to find the Decepticons fleeing in defeat, and the creatures transformed into their Autobot forms. [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] introduced himself and [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]], but told Optimus that they wouldn't be following the Autobots back to home-base, as they had two more companions to unearth first. Optimus bid him farewell with a handshake before leaving to carry on the war against Megatron. {{storylink|The Dinobots!}}

When reports from both [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] and [[Mirage (G1)|Mirage]] corroborated that the Decepticons were constructing giant rockets to shift Earth out of its orbit, Optimus took to the skies and led his troops on a sabotage mission. Upon their approach, Optimus, Jetfire, and [[Deftwing]] overheard Megatron declare that the engines would fire up in twenty minutes. With little time to prevent the destruction of Earth's biosphere, the more maneuverable air-bound Autobots entered the thruster tubes to destroy the rockets from within. Jetfire and Deftwing were successful in their task, and the Autobots beat a hasty retreat to avoid the resulting lava swell. Optimus heaped praise upon the pair afterwards, embarrassing the bashful Jetfire. {{storylink|Moving Day Planet Earth}}
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===Hero Prime===
====''Comic Bom Bom G-2'' manga====
[[File:G2Hero.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|HE'S LOOKING AT ME, ISN'T HE?]]
In the year 199X, the Decepticons had learned of a powerful new energy source known as [[forestonite]] which just happened to be located (surprise surprise) on [[Earth]]. Megatron sent his trio of [[Cyberjet]]s to Earth first to draw out the enemy Autobots. The Cyberjets made quick work of [[Electro]] but were soon halted by the appearance of Optimus Prime.

Megatron then entered the fray and fired his Black Hole Burn attack from his fusion cannon, narrowly missing Optimus Prime but vaporizing [[Hooligan (G2)|Hooligan]] in the process. Prime fought fiercely but Megatron began to take the upper-hand in battle.

However, Prime was encouraged to keep fighting by the cheers of a human boy named [[Junpei]]. Megatron, surprised at Prime's resilience, attempted to finish his foe off with his Tornado Axe attack. Prime countered with his Double Wheel-Torque Mega-Ton, which trumped Megatron's attack and injured the Decepticon badly. Megatron teleported back to his ship and left Earth's atmosphere, vowing to return.

Optimus Prime addressed Junpei, asking if the boy was injured. Junpei revealed he was alright but presented concern about the Decepticons returning to Earth. Optimus Prime swore that the Autobots would remain on Earth until the threat of the Decepticons was finished and asked for Junpei's help in making that future a reality. {{storylink|The New Battle!!}}

====Fun Publications====
[[File:InvasionPrologue-Primes.jpg|left|thumb|Front row, on the left]]

At some point, [[Archforce]] posed a threat to both Optimus Prime and Megatron. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/10}}

Leaving his home universe, the Optimus Prime of [[Primax 895.0 Gamma]] was gathered in [[Axiom Nexus]] by [[Optimus Prime (TransTech)|its Optimus Prime]], along with a roster of other Optimus Primes and [[Sentinel Maximus|their]] [[Lio Convoy|kin]] in a group known as the [[Convoy (group)|Convoy]], in which he was redubbed "Hero Prime". {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 49|Optimus Prime bio in Club magazine #49}} A multiversal cataclysm in [[Primax 207.0 Epsilon|a universe]] seeded with [[Rarified Energon]] and an invasion by [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon|natives from the negative polarity universe]] had called them into action. Since Matrix bearers were usually never allowed into Axiom Nexus, this was a grave threat indeed! {{storylink|Invasion Prologue}}

Seeking help to protect the [[Origin Matrix]], Hero Prime and "[[Optimus Prime (Armada)#Beast Prime|Beast Prime]]" disguised themselves using cloaks and sought out [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]], hoping to make use of his hunting skills. {{storylink|Invasion: Epilogue}}

Hero Prime's name was on a list of Convoy members that [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Commander Cheetor]] gave to [[Andromeda (TransTech)|Andromeda]], which noted Prime's home reality and his moniker. {{storylink|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/05/21}}

Hero Prime was present at a meeting of the Convoy after the turmoil caused by the [[Waruder]] invasion of Axiom Nexus. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

===''Beast Wars'' cartoon continuity===
====''Beast Wars'' cartoon====
[[File:G1Prime BWMegs.jpg|left|thumb|You have to get up preeeeetty early in the timestream to beat Optimus Prime!]]
The [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] raged on prehistoric Earth, eventually leading to the discovery of the buried Ark sometime after its crash on prehistoric Earth. [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]], following [[Megatron (G1)|his namesake's]] instructions in a desperate gambit, decided to attempt to change history by killing Prime, who was still lying in the Ark in [[stasis lock]]. Megatron hoped that this would result in the Decepticons winning the Great War and eventually [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] control of Cybertron. Megatron unleashed a full-power weapon blast at Optimus Prime's face, near-fatally injuring him. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part III)}} However, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] proceeded to take Prime's spark into his body to protect it from surgical trauma while his injuries were repaired. The subsequent power increase caused by Prime's spark's connection to the Matrix mutated Primal into a large, [[Transmetal]] "Optimal Optimus" form. Then, with the repairs complete, Prime's spark was restored, and he briefly activated before sinking back into normal stasis. {{storylink|Optimal Situation}}

Sometime after the Autobots and Decepticons awoke in the 1980s, the original Megatron gained access to one of Earth's ''Voyager'' spacecraft and inscribed a message on the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|disk]] on board. In the event that he lost the War, Megatron left instructions for the descendants of the Decepticons to use [[transwarp]] technology to travel to Prehistoric Earth, locate the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], and change history by killing Optimus Prime. {{storylink|The Agenda (Part 2)}}
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====''Beast Machines'' cartoon====
[[File:Sparkwar2 Optimus hologram primal.jpg|upright=1.1|thumb|Holographic Optimus wants to grab you]]
{{voiceactor|[[Garry Chalk]] (English)|[[Tilo Schmitz]] (German), [[Alfonso Ramírez]] (Latin American)}}

Optimus appeared to have fallen in "the final battle" against the Decepticons. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search|The Search}}

An enormous [[Optimus Prime memorial|statue]] of Optimus Prime, bearing two [[Golden Disk (disambiguation)|Golden Disks]], could be seen on Cybertron in front of the Hall of Archives. The statue was subsequently blown to pieces by the [[Vehicon (BM)|Vehicon forces]]. {{storylink|Fires of the Past}} Later, Megatron beamed a hologram of Optimus Prime down to the ruins of [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] to confront [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]], claiming to contain the "essence" of the real Prime that had been stored here since the Final Battle. Primal was conned by this and was tricked by the hologram into accessing the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]]. Megatron seized control of the Oracle code and quickly revealed his ruse. Primal explained to his Maximals that he knew the image was fake, but he needed the location of the missing [[spark]]s from Megatron's mind. {{storylink|Sparkwar Pt. II: The Search|The Search}}
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====3H comics====
[[File:Sparkholderprimevaldawn.jpg|left|upright=1.05|thumb|"Oh, I also have this in me now, too."]]
Before he took the name "Optimus Prime," the future leader of the Autobots took up the banner of his fallen Monark, and rallied the troops around him against the Decepticons, vowing to "never surrender." {{storylink|Covenant (story)|Covenant}}

[[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]] hated Optimus Prime but respected [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] though Cyclonus would later taunt that Rodimus couldn't get anything done while not mourning Optimus. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

After the Beast Wars had ended and the Maximals and Predacons that survived it had headed home, the Vok entered the Ark and removed the Matrix of Leadership from an unconscious Optimus Prime. They used it to create [[Primal Prime]], and then gave the Matrix to their new creation. {{storylink|Primeval Dawn Part 1}} {{storylink|Primeval Dawn II}}

{{note|''Primeval Dawn'' was never completed, but presumably the Matrix was returned to Optimus Prime's body before Primal Prime returned to Cybertron.}}

[[File:Jnwan.jpg|upright=1.66|thumb|Massive psychotic breaks with reality are the right of all sentient beings.]]
After the [[Great War (G1)|Great War]], Optimus Prime disappeared with other legends into the mysterious location on Cybertron dubbed [[J'nwan]], where Optimus himself became the "Authority" who spoke on behalf of the others. [[Sandstorm (BW)|Sandstorm]], the leader of a rebellion in a 32nd-century firmly under the heel of the tyrannical [[Shokaract]], entered J'nwan to plead with the heroes of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]'s past for aid. He hoped to convince them to join the fight against the [[Predacon (BW)|Predacon]] warlord. After a mind-crushing journey which left all of his companions dead or deranged, Sandstorm finally found an audience with the Authority and his brethren, but they declined to help, with the Authority stating that their time was past and the war was no longer their war. The Authority then in some way manipulated Sandstorm's trip out of J'nwan such that it was comparatively short and simple. {{storylink|Paradox}}

When the warlord [[Shokaract]], powered by [[Unicron]]'s [[Dark Essence]], traveled into the past to secure his own future, the occupants of J'nwan decided to act. Optimus Prime, Megatron, Soundwave, and Grimlock joined Sandstorm on prehistoric Earth during the time of the [[Beast Wars (event)|Beast Wars]] where the battle with Shokaract had already begun. When the [[Covenant (group)|Covenant]] arrived to vanquish the Dark Essence and defeat Shokaract, Optimus Prime and the others escaped through portals as that timeline was erased from existence. {{storylink|Terminus (issue)|Terminus}} {{storylink|Departure}}

When [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]] died, [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]] responded to [[Fractyl]]'s attempt to comfort her by stating that it was alright as Rodimus was now with Optimus and the friends who loved and missed him while they were gone. {{storylink|Wreckers: Finale Part II}}

====Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity====
{{BW Shell Game}}
While traveling back to Cybertron at the conclusion of the Beast Wars, Optimus Primal reflected on past events. Among these was Megatron's attempt to dispatch Optimus Prime while he was in stasis lock within the Ark. {{storylink|Shell Game issue 1|Shell Game #1}}

====IDW ''Beast Wars'' comics====
Optimus Prime died on Cybertron in [[2035]] during the final days of the Great War, alongside Galvatron. {{storylink|Dawn of the Predacus}}

While [[Magmatron]] was surveying the timestream, he witnessed several key moments taking place during the Beast Wars. Among them was [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] blasting a stasis-locked Optimus Prime in the face. {{storylink|The Gathering issue 1|The Gathering #1}}

====''Beast Wars: Uprising''====
Seven million years ago, Optimus was already a renowned figure, enough that the ruling triumvirate of the planet [[Master (planet)|Rebirth]] named themselves in honor of the "Once and Future" Prime (though apparently they missed the whole "freedom is the right of all sentient beings" thing). {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

After his attack on Optimus Prime, [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] was thrown out of the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] when [[Blackarachnia (BW)|Blackarachnia]] activated the ship's defense systems. However, he was not thrown far enough and the Predacon managed to reenter the Ark and blast the Autobot leader, decisively erasing the Maximals from the timeline. {{storylink|A Change to the Agenda}} This had the effect of producing [[Primax 209.0 Gamma|a wildly different timeline]].

Optimus was eventually revived by the Autobots when they arrived to liberate [[Master (planet)|Master]] from [[Decepticon]] hands. They found allies in the native [[Cyberdroid]]s—those [[Optimus (faction)|Optimus]] loyalists who had fought the [[Malignus (G1)|Malignus]] insurgency. Autobots and Cyberdroids liberated the deposed triumvirate of [[Apex (BW)|Apex]], [[Hi-Q]], and [[Diac]]. Hoping to check the power-mad Galvatron and his three Cyberdroid allies, the Autobot leader was revived and [[Binary bonding|binary-bonded]] himself to three Cyberdroids, including [[Overrun|Surge]], and Apex, who formed his head. Thus empowered, "Triple-Threat Prime" battled Galvatron and his forces across Master in a series of epic conflicts. The Autobots were unsuccessful and were forced to retreat. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

Optimus died (again) at some point before the 24th century. ''How'' exactly is not stated, but Soundwave noted that the triple-binary bonding process took years off a 'bot's life expectancy. {{storylink|A Brush With Infamy–Prologue}}

[[Eject (G1)|Eject]] lamented that all the great and famous Cybertronians, including Optimus Prime, were long gone by the time Cybertron was controlled by the [[Builder Assembly]]. {{storylink|Broken Windshields}} The Maximal [[Overshoot]] experienced a series of visions from Cybertron's past after discovering the [[Oracle (BM)|Oracle]], including Optimus Prime launching the ''Ark'' during the Great War. {{storylink|Cultural Appropriation}}

While fighting the Vehicons, Galvatron remarked that Nucleon looked worse than Optimus had ''before'' Apex had replaced what was left of his face. {{storylink|Derailment}}

Ten thousand years in the future, the Transformers of that era were uncertain if "Optimus Convoy" had ever really existed, and most believed him to be a mythological hero of folklore. {{storylink|The Inexorable March}}

===''Universe'' comic===
As the [[Universe War]] began, [[Optimus Primal (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Optimus Primal]] was shown a myriad of Transformers from across all timelines that he could choose to recruit into his [[Child of Primus|Children of Primus]] in the battle against the [[Minion of Unicron (Universe)|Minions of Unicron]]. One such possibility was a Transformer who was either [[Thunder Clash]] or Optimus Prime, but, regardless, Primal chose [[Depth Charge (BW)|Depth Charge]] and [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]] instead. {{storylink|Homecoming (Universe)|Homecoming}}

===''Beast Wars Metals'' manga===
[[File:CheetasManga1.jpg|upright=0.55|thumb|Cheetor, that's Prime's Spark, not a toy.]]
Optimus Prime was blasted into pieces by Dragon Megatron. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 5|Beast Wars Metals #5}} Fortunately, his spark remained perfectly intact—in the remains of his Matrix-shaped spark chamber. Megatron was going to destroy Prime's spark, but [[Cheetor (BW)|Cheetor]] (now in his Transmetal body) saved it. Prime's spark was eventually swallowed by Optimus Primal, who was upgraded into Optimal Optimus by doing so.

After Megatron was killed by Optimal Optimus, Primal and his crew said it would be troublesome to fix Optimus Prime's body. {{storylink|Beast Wars Metals issue 6|Beast Wars Metals #6}}

===''Transformers Legends'' anthology===
In a reality where the Dinobots consisted of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]], [[Slag (G1)|Slag]], [[Snarl (G1)|Snarl]], and [[Paddles (character)|Paddles]], Optimus won the latter's admiration, so much so that the Dinobot would spout such things as "by the will of Optimus Prime!" to himself. {{storylink|Paddles (story)|Paddles}}

When Bumblebee, Hound and Spike brought a badly-damaged Starscream back to the Ark, Optimus struggled with the ethical implications of allowing Wheeljack and Ratchet to mess with the Decepticon's logic circuits, but gave them the go ahead. Starscream proved to be amnesic, and Optimus was able to take the opportunity to help him as much as possible, even physically preventing Megatron from retrieving his former lieutenant when Starscream opted to stay with the Autobots. Though Starscream left as soon as he regained his memory, Prime reflected that they'd learned that maybe it was possible to reason with a Decepticon. {{storylink|Redemption Center}}

After passing the Matrix to Ultra Magnus and expiring in the aftermath of the [[battle of Autobot City]], Optimus Prime found himself in [[Maccadam's Old Oil House]]. There he encountered Optimus Primal and another [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] from a [[Unicron Trilogy|different universe]]. Together, the four of them overcame the other Optimus Prime's doubts about his leadership, before returning to their respective time lines. {{storylink|Prime Spark (story)|Prime Spark}}

In [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity|one reality]], while the Autobots were boarding the Ark, Optimus voiced his lack of confidence in his leadership, before welcoming aboard [[Geosensus]], who was incapable of transforming to [[robot mode]]. Four million years later, Prime and [[Prowl (G1)|Prowl]] found the Ark was under attack and defended it with deadly force. In examining the wreckage of the attackers, they realised that the robot Optimus had destroyed was not a Decepticon but Geosensus, who had forced himself to transform in an attempt to fight off the Decepticons. Though Prime was willing to take the rap, Prowl insisted on covering up the mistake to protect Optimus's image as a leader. {{storylink|Parts}}

When Megatron unleashed the power of a weather machine on the Gulf Coast, Optimus sent out Ratchet to retrieve the damaged [[Sky Spy]] to counteract his foe's new weapon. Ratchet eventually did so, allowing Optimus to destroy the weather machine and thwart the Decepticons' plan. {{storylink|Healers, Fighters, and Transformers}}

===''Cybertron'' comic===
When Vector Prime reminisced on some of the highlights of his multiversal career, he remembered many events involving Optimus Prime. Among these events was Optimus Prime [[The Return of Optimus Prime, Part 2|using the Matrix of Leadership]] on the [[Hate Plague]], [[Shockwave (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity|Shockwave]] [[Prime Time!|taunting a disembodied Optimus Prime]], and [[Megatron (BW)/Beast Wars cartoon continuity|Megatron]] [[The Agenda (Part III)|firing on the head of Optimus Prime]], creating a time storm that necessitated Vector Prime's intervention to ensure Optimus Prime's survival. {{storylink|Vector Prime: In the Beginning}}
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===''The Beast Within''===
Having been caught unaware by a surprise attack launched by the Decepticons, Optimus led his troops in a losing battle against their mortal enemies. Though Optimus managed to dispatch a few Decepticons, namely Thrust, whom he punched through the chest, he soon found himself crippled and surrounded by enemy forces. Praying to Primus as the Decepticons readied their weapons, Optimus heard Grimlock calling out to his fellow Dinobots to combine, prompting the Autobot leader to yell out a plead to Grimlock to stop. It was too late, however, and [[Beast (G1)|The Beast]] began rampaging, killing Autobots and Decepticons alike. Taking advantage of the situation nonetheless, Optimus tackled Megatron and began beating on the Decepticon leader. The tide of the battle now shifted, Optimus attempted to reach Grimlock’s consciousness within The Beast so that its mindless carnage could come to a halt. It didn't work. {{storylink|The Beast Within}}

As the battle wore on, Optimus attempted to drive the Autobots too wounded to outrun the Beast themselves to safety, carrying them within his trailer. Jetfire showed up in time to rescue most of his passengers, leaving Optimus to deal with The Beast on his own. Seeing a city coming closer over the horizon, Optimus attempted to reach the Dinobots one last time from within The Beast. As his former troops remained unresponsive, Optimus led The Beast to its doom, blasting it a few more times before leading it to fall into a chasm. Optimus himself was rescued from the fall at the last possible moment by Jetfire’s timely return. As the two of them looked on at the Beast’s inert form, Optimus wondered out loud if their battles would truly ever come to an end. {{storylink|The Beast Within Part 2, Consequences}}
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===Dreamwave ''Generation One'' continuity===
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[[File:Optronix optimus.jpg|left|thumb|What? OPTRONIX is evolving!]]
Optimus Prime started life as '''Optronix''' ''('''Orion''' to his friends)'', {{storylink|Transformers: Hardwired|Hardwired}} a data archivist at the [[Vaults]]. After taking note of a battle in which the Autobot leader [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] had been defeated by Megatron, he was summoned to the [[Council of Ancients]] and informed that the Matrix had chosen him to be the next leader of the Autobots. He received the Matrix of Leadership shortly thereafter, gaining a powerful new body in the process. After dispatching a Decepticon assassination squad sent to, well, assassinate him, he ordered the Autobots to prepare to evacuate Cybertron, intending to leave the Decepticons to their own devices. {{storylink|The War Within issue 1|The War Within #1}}

As he and Prowl discussed the wisdom of evacuating, a huge explosion obliterated the [[Forum of Enlightenment]]. Optimus led a team there, realising that the destruction was a message from Megatron. Leaving his team, he ventured underground, encountering [[Shrapnel (G1)|Shrapnel]], who blasted him into a pit. {{storylink|The War Within issue 2|The War Within #2}} Exploring the underground, Prime had a strange vision of a transparent version of himself, which warned that he had to grasp Cybertron's significance. Then he was attacked by [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]] and the [[Insecticon (G1)|Insecticon]]s, whom he was able to easily best by using the labyrinthine environment to his advantage. He then felt himself led to a confrontation against [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], and both faction leaders met atop of a bridge, overlooking a deep abyss. [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] blasted the bridge Optimus and Megatron were standing on, plunging them into the chasm. {{storylink|The War Within issue 3|The War Within #3}} Recovering, Prime heard another disembodied voice telling him about Cybertron. Before he could look for a way out, Megatron found him, and informed him about the true nature of the Matrix, telling Optimus how it could be used to power Cybertron's planetary engines, transforming it into a space-faring war-world. This spurred Optimus to fight back, but before long, Megatron took control of the battle, smashing his fist into Prime's chest to get at the Matrix. A blaze of light enveloped the pair, who found themselves abruptly on 20th century [[Earth]]. {{storylink|The War Within issue 4|The War Within #4}}

As Megatron explained that the Matrix was giving them a vision of the future, they witnessed themselves battling on [[Sherman Dam]]. The nature of their surroundings established, Megatron resumed the scheduled beating, but a series of setting shifts ended with Optimus reunited with [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]]. Grimlock handed Prime a [[sword]] and suggested he finish Megatron for good. {{storylink|The War Within issue 5|The War Within #5}} Optimus found Megatron again, engaging him in combat and announcing that he was playing the game by Megatron's rules now—without mercy. Though he did not slay Megatron, he inflicted enough damage onto him to expunge from his memory the visions the Matrix had granted him. A short time later, Optimus joined the other Autobots in attacking the Decepticons who were trying to use Cybertron's planetary engines. Grimlock was finally impressed with Prime. Thanks to the combined efforts of Optimus and Grimlock's squad, the Decepticons were driven away and the engines were destroyed before they could tear the planet apart. Afterwards, Optimus's group arrived back at [[Iacon (polity)|Iacon]] to find it destroyed. Optimus announced the Autobots were no longer evacuating the planet and threw away the [[Golden Disk (council)|Golden Disk]] full of the knowledge of his predecessors which the council had given him, saying he would choose his own course. {{storylink|The War Within issue 6|The War Within #6}}

Some time into his role as leader, Optimus Prime disappeared in a [[space bridge]] explosion along with Megatron. {{storylink|Fragmentation (G1)|Fragmentation}} {{storylink|The Age of Wrath}}

{{Unreleased WW comic}}
After having spent an extended period of time lost on [[Quintessa (planet)|Quintessa]], Optimus was returned to Cybertron by the Turbomasters during their efforts to retrieve the similarly lost [[Flash (G1)|Flash]], who he had been drawn into [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]]'s [[Dimensional Interface Assembly]]. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.5}} Though badly damaged, Optimus led an insurrection against the then Megatron-controlled Cybertron, and successfully overthrew his enemy from power, all the while thwarting a Quintesson invasion. {{storylink|The Age of Wrath Pt.6}}

[[File:DWPrimeDirective1 Sparkplug newspaper.jpg|upright=1.4|thumb|The disaster was being drawn by Pat Lee.]]
Following the awakening of the Transformers on Earth, the Autobots protected the planet from the Decepticons. Over the next fifteen years, the Autobots befriended the humans, particularly the [[Witwicky|Witwicky family]]. The Autobots finally allied with humankind and eventually defeated the Decepticons at the turn of the century. They planned to return to Cybertron aboard the newly constructed ''[[Ark II]]'', along with [[Magnificent Seven|seven humans]], including Witwicky patriarch [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]]. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1|Prime Directive #1}} Before the ship departed, Prime gave a piece of the Matrix to [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike Witwicky]], Sparkplug's son and [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]]'s closest human friend. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 2|Prime Directive #2}} But the ship was destroyed as part of a military conspiracy to take control of the Transformers.

Optimus Prime's body was hauled out of the Arctic Ocean by the US military. While a terrorist organization run by the enigmatic [[Lazarus]] was able to seize control of several of the other Transformers that fell back to Earth, the military worked unsuccessfully to reactivate Prime. They eventually called in Spike Witwicky. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 1|Prime Directive #1}} Spike was forced by the project chief, General [[Robert Hallo]], to use his piece of the Matrix to reactivate Prime. Functional again, Prime used the Matrix to reactivate more of his fallen comrades. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 2|Prime Directive #2}}

The Autobots helped repair a [[Smitco Oil Refinery]] site which the Lazarus-controlled Transformers had attacked. Optimus had no answer for Spikes accusation that the Transformers' presence on Earth was responsible for the destruction. When Megatron's activities at Lazarus's base were spotted by the military, Optimus insisted on the Autobots going in without backup. They discovered Megatron in the middle of a plan to reformat Earth into a new Cybertron using a [[cyber-virus]]. Optimus rejected Megatron's suggestion he should just let it happen, but while the two factions fought, the human military unleashed [[Operation Clean-Up]], dropping a bomb on them. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 3|Prime Directive #3}}

The energy of the explosion absorbed by the virus, the Autobots dug themselves out and set about recovering their fellows whom Megatron had used to power the cyber-virus in its early stages. [[Ironhide (G1)|Ironhide]] passed on a message from Megatron — there was a surprise in store for the Autobot leader. Optimus and some Autobots including [[Superion (G1)|Superion]] sped to [[San Francisco]], where Megatron had unleashed [[Devastator (G1)|Devastator]]. As Prime battled Megatron, he took time to save three humans who were threatened by falling debris, only for the humans to turn on him. The defeat of Superion turned the tide of the battle against the Autobots. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 4|Prime Directive #4}}

[[File:DWPrimeDirective6 Autobots wanttheirheads.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.66|Optimus sets a [[Optimus Prime (Movie)|trend]].]]
Never one to give up, Optimus managed to down Devastator in return, only to find himself at Megatron's mercy. The Decepticon leader pointed out to him the humans' self-obsessed behavior in the face of the devastation, suggesting the fleshlings were worthless, and the Autobots should join the Decepticons in wiping them out. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 5|Prime Directive #5}} The heroic actions of a team of firefighters and other humans proved to Optimus that the humans were worth saving, and the Autobots delivered a smackdown on the Decepticons. The fight was interrupted by the news that a nuclear missile was inbound, and despite Prime's protests, Superion sacrificed himself intercepting it. Prime recovered from the shock wave to find that the Decepticons had fled. He appealed to Grimlock to return to the Autobot ranks, an offer turned down by the Dinobot. {{storylink|Prime Directive issue 6|Prime Directive #6}}

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Following this, Prime began to experience subconscious urgings, leading both the Autobots and the Decepticons to the Arctic Circle, where Shockwave arrived to greet them—and arrest them as war criminals. Shockwave had succeeded in ending the war on Cybertron, and brought a team of [[Triple Changer]]s to apprehend them. As Optimus stared down [[Blitzwing (G1)|Blitzwing]]'s cannon barrel, he was saved by Grimlock, though he subsequently had to order a retreat. Prowl convinced him to let a small team stay as recon while the others returned to the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]] and discussed the change in situation. {{storylink|New World Order}} Though Optimus was puzzled by [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] having fallen in with Shockwave, he had little other choice, and surrendered to Magnus. Despite being bound, he took the first opportunity he got to make his feelings clear. Prime and those of his Autobots who had also surrendered were put on a shuttle back to Cybertron, where Shockwave planned to have them deactivated. {{storylink|Brothers' Burden}}

Stewing in a cell, Optimus blamed himself for their predicament, but he and the Autobots were soon rescued by [[Broadside (G1)|Broadside]] and [[Sandstorm (G1)|Sandstorm]]. Sandstorm and Optimus traveled through Cybertron's [[Old Slave Trails]], only to find themselves ambushed by [[Runabout (G1)|Runabout]], who swiftly killed Sandstorm, and then the Decepticon was attacked by a [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticon]], which lunged at Prime. {{storylink|Cold War (issue)|Cold War}} Prime recovered to find himself in the care of a group of Autobot rebels including [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rod]], [[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] and [[Kup (G1)|Kup]]. Though Optimus lashed out at [[Gnaw (G1)|Gnaw]] upon awakening, the other rebels quickly cleared up the misunderstanding, assuring Prime that the Sharkticon was their ally. They revealed to Optimus that Shockwave had been transmitting subliminal signals to increase Transformer aggression, readying them for war against an unseen foe. At this point, another rebel cell joined up with them with dire news: Shockwave had unleashed the [[Guardian robot|Omega Sentinels]] on Iacon! {{storylink|Passive Aggression}}

Optimus was able to rally Autobot factions from across Cybertron to the cause and launch an all-out attack on Shockwave's fortress. He headed the assault himself, but broke rank when he saw the image of Shockwave blasting Ultra Magnus upon one of the many monitor screens planted around the Decepticon's headquarters. Optimus charged in to confront Shockwave, beating down all opposition along the way. Coming upon Shockwave's throne room, Prime was greeted by Ultra Magnus, who pointed him towards a secret passage through which Shockwave had absconded. Leaving his wounded brother to rest, Optimus barged into Shockwave's secret chambers, only to be overpowered and have the Matrix ripped from his chest. With it, Shockwave was finally able to activate Vector Sigma. {{storylink|Countdown to Extinction (issue)|Countdown to Extinction}} Stalling, Prime listened as Shockwave recounted the history of Cybertron, and eventually Ultra Magnus arrived, having recovered, to attack and defeat Shockwave. Prime and Grimlock helped him escape from the fortress as it crumbled to the ground. With Shockwave's defeat, the Autobots would now be able to start rebuilding Cybertron towards true peace... but Optimus remained troubled by Shockwave's motives; he recognized that Shockwave would not be urged to action by mere fancy. Optimus pondered what greater threat awaited Cybertron for Shockwave to so thoroughly plan for its arrival. {{storylink|Revelation (War and Peace)|Revelation}} The injuries Prime took in this conflict necessitated a prolonged restoration period in stasis. Both he and Ultra Magnus were tended to by Perceptor and Hoist as they recuperated. {{storylink|Generation 1 issue 0|Generation 1 #0}} Though Magnus recovered in due course, Optimus's systems had received a more severe shock due to the Matrix being forcefully removed from his frame. Thus, he needed additional time spent in recovery before he could reboot. {{storylink|Black Sunshine}}

{{Unreleased DW G1 comic}}
Hot Rod came to visit Optimus while he was still off-line and recovering. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Issue 11|Generation 1 #11}} Soon afterwards Optimus completed his recovery, and was ready to kick bumper! He faced off against the Quintessons and their Sharkticon enforcers. {{storylink|Unreleased Dreamwave issues#Issue 12|Generation 1 #12}}

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===''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers''===
[[File:GIJoevsTFcobraprime.jpg|275px|thumb|G.1. Joe—the real universal hero!]]
In the early stages of the war, Optimus Prime was an archivist, watching the battles from afar and keeping records of them. This all changed when the [[Matrix of Leadership]] chose him to lead the Autobots in battle. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 2|The Art of War #2}} Shortly after he ascended to Primehood, [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] tried to kill him, but failed. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}}

Several Autobots and Decepticons, including Optimus Prime, were reformatted into will-less war machines under the control of [[Cobra]]. During an initial attack on a human peace conference, Cobra's remote control of Optimus (whom they had nicknamed "[[HISS tank|HISS-14]]") mysteriously failed. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #1}} Later at Cobra's [[Cobra Island|island headquarters]] in the [[Caribbean Sea|Caribbean]], Cobra scientists pulled Optimus apart to find out what was impeding their commands. As this analysis took place, Optimus reverse hacked into Cobra computers until they shut him down in a panic. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #2}} Despite this, Prime sent a viral message out to hundreds of email addresses that included the coordinates of Cobra's base. The message was intercepted by [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] who teamed up with Wheeljack and Bumblebee. After Wheeljack broke the remote control over the Transformers, Prime went after [[Cobra Commander]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 3|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #3}} More than a bit frightened of a giant robot gunning for him, the human released Megatron, who was trapped in gun mode. Megatron transformed and fought Prime to a standstill until other Autobots came to back him up. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #4}}

Although he was weak and low on [[energon]], Prime made a last-ditch effort to save the day when he rammed through the wall of Megatron's energon-producing lab. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 5|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #5}} After a quick recharge, Optimus single-handedly smashed the Decepticons, pounded Megatron to the ground, and ripped his [[fusion cannon]] off his arm. Prime then teamed up with the Joes and used Megatron's cannon to shoot down the [[SPS Satellite]] that had gone rogue and was destroying the island.

With the battle over, Prime and the Autobots boarded a new ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' ship built by G.I. Joe and returned to [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]]. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers issue 6|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers #6}}

[[File:GIJoevstfIIprime1930s.jpg|left|upright=1.55|thumb|Retro Convoy: TRANSFORM!!!]]
On a Cybertron dominated by [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] and the Decepticons, Optimus Prime and the Autobots took on the roles of resistance fighters. Cobra experimentation transported a contingent of Cobras and G.I. Joes to Cybertron and destabilized [[Teletran 3]], which led to the computer sending several Transformers to [[Earth]] across different time periods. When Optimus Prime saw Jazz get zapped by Teletran 3, he leapt to rescue his soldier, only to be transported away as well. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 1|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #1}} A team made up of Joes and Cobra agents were sent back and found Optimus Prime and the [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] in 1930s-era Chicago, disguised as period cars and trucks. The Stunticons chased Prime and the Joes around the city until everything was wrapped up with bullets, a collapsed bridge and some dynamite. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 2|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #2}}

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After the Transformers and humans were returned to present-day Cybertron and the Decepticons were vanquished by the recently arrived [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]], Prime made an agreement with the Joes to destroy the technology that started the whole mess in order to protect Earth. {{storylink|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II issue 4|G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers II #4}}

On Cybertron, Optimus Prime kicked back to do a little bit of paperwork and reminisce. With Shockwave defeated, Cybertron was enjoying a new era of peace. He was interrupted by Hot Rod, who reported that a group of "pesky humans with their peashooters" were giving an Autobot team on Earth a hard time. Prime suspected Cobra's involvement and counseled Hot Rod not to be so dismissive of the humans. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 1|The Art of War #1}} When the team returned to Cybertron and mysteriously vanished in the [[Gladiator Zone]], Prime was prepared to go search for them, but was convinced by Hot Rod to stay behind and organize a peace ceremony. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 2|The Art of War #2}}

Later, at the peace celebration, Prime was watching a procession of Autobots when Decepticons attacked. Optimus ordered [[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] into action but the huge Autobot was quickly overcome by [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]], [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]] and [[Predaking (G1)|Predaking]]. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 3|The Art of War #3}} Prime hopped into the fray, saved a [[Optimus Prime's rescuees|civilian]] from getting smushed by the falling Omega, rode [[Sixshot]] into Piranacon's face, smashed [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] into the ground, and carried a [[Optimus Prime's rescuees|wounded civilian]] out of danger.

[[File:Primevsserpentor.jpg|thumb|left|Serpent O.R. soon realized that "This I command!" doesn't work on Optimus Prime.]]
Menasor cut off Prime's escape and handed him the [[Reflector (G1)|Reflector]] trio, who confronted Prime with a hologram of [[Serpentor|Serpent O.R.]] The new Decepticon leader carried Megatron's memories and information downloaded from Soundwave, from which he learned of the Matrix of Leadership. Serpent O.R. offered Optimus a trade: hostages and peace if he handed over the Matrix. Optimus agreed.

In his stronghold, Serpent O.R. questioned Prime about his own worthiness to carry the Matrix, but Optimus broke free of his chains and aggressively ordered him to surrender. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 4|The Art of War #4}} A group of Decepticons broke in and nearly took Prime apart, but not before Serpent O.R. took the Matrix for himself and changed into the massive Serpentor Prime. The Matrix showed Serpentor Prime the error of his ways but as he was about to commit suicide Cobra Commander tripped a device and took over Serpentor Prime's body. Moments before he crushed Arcee, a severely damaged Optimus Prime threw Hawk toward the Matrix but warned the human not to touch the artifact. Hawk did so anyway and through a quasi-mystical transfer of power Serpentor Prime was vanquished.

Later repaired by a [[Paradron Medic|female nursebot]], Optimus went back to finishing his paperwork. A leader's job is never done. {{storylink|The Art of War issue 5|The Art of War #5}}

Sensing a new, yet old, danger to planet Earth, Prime elected to send himself to earth on an investigation, and gave Hot Rod a glare when the young Autobot accused his leader of taking an unnecessary risk to atone for the death of a [[Bumblebee (G1)|close friend]].

Optimus Prime landed in the Himalayan Mountains with G.I. Joes [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] and [[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|Hawk]]. As they searched the area, the trio was attacked by [[Bludgeon (G1)|Bludgeon]] in his [[Pretender]] shell. Prime whacked him with his [[energon-axe]] and in return Bludgeon bearhugged him and coated him in metal-eating slime. Hawk, still carrying power from the Matrix, helped Prime break free. Optimus then shot his way into the hidden kingdom of [[Cobra-La]].

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While they wandered through the tunnels, the Joes and Prime found cave paintings that described the last visit to Earth by the planet-eating god [[Unicron]]. They were attacked again by Bludgeon and Cobra-La minions, but were led away by a ragged [[Joe Colton]], prisoner of Cobra-La for the last 25 years. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2}} Bludgeon managed to find them again and during a second battle Prime tore open the Pretender's shell, revealing Bludgeon's robot form inside. Bludgeon tripped and dangled dangerously over a chasm, but rather than let Optimus Prime save him, Bludgeon forced Prime to drop him to his death laughing all the way down.

The Joes discovered a cavern where the people of Cobra-La were growing [[metal-eating spore]]s as a last defense against Unicron. Flint and [[Cosmos (G1)|Cosmos]] took a load of the spores into space just as Unicron appeared in Earth orbit. Prime, Hawk and Colton headed deeper into Cobra-La to rescue [[Firewall]] and kick butt. Prime was tackled and pinned by a giant bug creature, but made a dramatic recovery and tossed the bug aside. He then took the machine-hating Cobra-La leader [[Golobulus]] to task with a single punch. Flint and Cosmos released the spores, which devoured Unicron from the inside and defeated the giant Transformer before he could harm [[Earth]].

With the threat of Unicron gone, Prime relaxed with [[Eject (G1)|Eject]] and Firewall by watching some reality TV, and sighed at the banality. {{storylink|Black Horizon, Part 2 of 2}}

===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic===
[[File:Wc prime.jpg|thumb|left|What is it with Primes and weak stomachs?]]
After their own [[Optimus Prime (Armada)|Optimus Prime]] disappeared, [[Scavenger (Armada)|Scavenger]] and [[Smokescreen (Armada)|Smokescreen]] discovered an alternate version of Optimus Prime lying unconscious and barely alive in [[Autobase]] Earth. Though [[Red Alert (Armada)|Red Alert]] did what he could, the mysterious Prime reactivated only long enough to utter a cryptic statement about the walls crumbling and the coming of chaos, then died. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 1 of 4}}

[[Unicron]] later explained that he sent the alternate Optimus Prime into their universe as a "calling card": a terrifying warning of his imminent arrival. This was probably to tell the uninitiated that Unicron is a jerk. {{storylink|Worlds Collide, Part 4 of 4}}
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===''Transformers/G.I. Joe''===
[[File:Optimus and Bumblebee-Transformed.jpg|thumb|upright=0.9|"Insert dramatic hair flip." "Um, Optimus, sir... we don't have hair." "Don't question me, Bumblebee. NEVER question a Prime."]]
Optimus Prime and his troops lay deactivated on the [[Fera Islands]] for three million years until [[G.I. Joe (team)|G.I. Joe]] stumbled upon them one day in [[1939]]. {{storylink|The Line}} The Autobots were reactivated by a [[Sky Spy|repair drone]] and given new disguises, with Optimus Prime being reformatted into an unknown [[World War II]]-era human vehicle. He explained to [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]] who they were, and learned that [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s Decepticons had been reactivated a year prior, and were currently wreaking havoc on [[Europe]] along with [[Cobra]]. While hesitant at first, Optimus Prime soon joined G.I. Joe in their mission to destroy Cobra and the Decepticons. {{storylink|Transformed}} After commanding the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] to get the [[Seeker (body-type)|Seekers]] out of the way, Prime advanced across the Fera Islands, but met resistance in the form of [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]]. {{storylink|Trial by Fire}}

As the Autobots were having trouble with Rumble, Optimus Prime told them try to use his earthquakes to their advantage, which led to the end of the Decepticon. Prime subsequently ordered the Aerialbots to [[Superion (G1)|combine]] and save Grimlock and [[Roadblock (G.I. Joe)|Roadblock]] from falling off a cliff. {{storylink|Wolves}} As they got closer to the Cobra [[Terrordrome]], however, Prime started regretting getting the Autobots involved with the humans' war. He offered to carry G.I. Joe across the water separating them from the Terrordrome, but told them that Autobots only fight if they have no choice, and they had no reason to fight anymore. Moments later, he saw that Cobra were using innocent prisoners as human shields, and Duke added that anyone who Cobra ''didn't'' enslave, they murdered. Filled with righteous anger, Optimus Prime ordered his troops to roll out. {{storylink|Trenches}}

[[File:Optimus punches Megatron-The Iron Fist.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.8]]
Shortly after reaching the other shore and taking out [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], Prime witnessed the gigantic [[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] bust out of the Terrordrome and attack everything around him. With Superion gone, Prime knew that there was only one way to stop this rampaging monster, and ordered his Autobots to evacuate the humans while he went looking for the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. He soon found that [[Snake-Eyes]] was in possession of the artifact, but was under attack from Megatron. Prime attacked Megatron, keeping him at bay while telling Snake-Eyes that destroying the Matrix would kill Bruticus. The ninja complied, only to learn that Optimus had left something out of the story: smashing the Matrix would kill ''all'' the Transformers, including Prime himself. Looking at the Autobot leader's body, the Joes knew that Prime had been aware of this, and had deemed it a necessary sacrifice to save the humans. {{storylink|The Iron Fist}}

Decades later, in 1986, Duke showed [[Flint (G.I. Joe)|Flint]] and [[Spirit]] footage from the battle of the Fera Islands, including Optimus Prime's fight with Megatron. {{storylink|Targets of Opportunity}}

===''Lil' Jerry''===
Unamused by [[Lil' Jerry]]'s decision to wear the Joe fatigues to BotCon, Optimus stepped on the little guy. {{storylink|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 6|Lil' Jerry's Big BotCon Adventure}}

===''Mini Mayhem!''===
Optimus Prime was thrown a surprised party to celebrate his role in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]''. He was touched that so many of his super-hero friends had remembered the occasion.

In a celebration of the Transformers brand, Optimus Prime showed up as a representative for the "Generation 1" era of the franchise.

Later, Optimus showed a couple of humans that the Transformers were in the midst of doing something really interesting... they were eating a pie! {{storylink|Mini Mayhem!}}

===IDW Generation 1 continuity===
{{main|Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity}}
[[File:OrionridesSpringarm.jpg|thumb|I'm [[Batman]]!]]
Optimus Prime was originally known as Orion Pax, a police captain from [[Rodion]]. An encounter with a pre-[[Decepticon]] [[Megatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Megatron]] would change the course of his life, teaching him that freedom was not just the right of all "civilised" beings, but of all ''sentient'' beings, and causing him to publicly reclaim the name "Autobot", previously used only at Cybertronians as a derogatory term, before the corrupt Senate.

After the rise of the Decepticons and the death of the merciless [[Zeta Prime]], he became the Prime, and entered what would become a millions-of-years-long war of attrition with the Decepticons, which would lead to the death of [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] and the spreading of the Cybertronian civil war far beyond their homeworld in a push for resources. With the end of the war and the emptying of the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to restart [[Vector Sigma]] and rebirth Cybertron, he found himself rejected by the returning civilian population, and - secretly gladly - abdicated his rank and returned to his original name of Orion Pax as he travelled through the galaxy.

Roughly two years later, however, [[Dark Cybertron (IDW)|events]] would force him back into the Autobots. After killing [[Nova Prime]] he proudly retook the mantle of Prime, convinced by Rodimus that he had redeemed it, and euthanized Shockwave saving all of time and space. In the aftermath, he reassumed his role as leader of the Autobots.

===''Hearts of Steel''===
[[File:HeartsofSteel 1 Prime Bumblebee.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.1|"I keep telling you Bumblebee, the Dinobots will never accept you into their clique!"]]
The Autobots and the Decepticons came to [[Earth|a distant world]] in the grip of an ice age. Assuming [[alternate mode]]s based upon the [[Dinosaur (dinosaur)|dominant (though doomed) indigenous creatures]] of this planet, they continued their [[Ice Age Wars|ancient, unending war]]. However, the Autobots, with their energy levels dangerously low, withdrew from combat as the world grew colder. They sought refuge in a deep cavern and entered [[stasis lock]], awaiting the day when surface conditions changed to better suit their operation. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 1|Hearts of Steel #1}} Optimus lay under the [[Mare Rurek Glacier]]. {{storylink|Infestation 2: The Transformers issue 1|Infestation 2: The Transformers #1}} Millions of years later, Bumblebee was awoken by the hammering of humans working on a rail line. He briefly considered awakening Optimus Prime, but thought better of it. After discovering the world had changed significantly, Ratchet thought there was no reason to awaken Prime. {{storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 1|Hearts of Steel #1}} When Bumblebee discovered the Decepticons were once again active on this world, Ratchet and Prowl agreed that the Autobots must intervene, but again decided out of rousing Optimus from his slumber. {{Storylink|Hearts of Steel issue 2|Hearts of Steel #2}}

[[File:TFInfestation2.2 Optimus Prime vs Elder God.jpg|thumb|upright=1.45|Once again, Optimus steals Rodimus Prime's thunder.]]
When a new threat, the [[Elder God]]s, appeared, a group of Autobots acquired the help of [[Tobias Muldoon]] and [[Nikola Tesla]] to travel to the glacier and waken Prime. {{storylink|Infestation 2: The Transformers issue 1|Infestation 2: The Transformers #1}} Tesla's [[Tesla tower]] wasn't enough on its own, so [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]], [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]], [[Trailbreaker (G1)|Trailblazer]], and [[Hound (G1)|Hound]] gave energy necessary to recharge Optimus Prime. Optimus awoke and revived the other Autobots with his [[energon]] reserves, before traveling to [[Port Cenotaph]], [[Nova Scotia]] where an Elder God had risen from the sea. Diving into the ocean, Optimus cleaved parts off the Elder God until it and its followers returned to the depths. Though Tobias asked if the creature was dead, Optimus wasn't sure, but promised the Autobots would be there to defend Earth if it ever returned. {{storylink|Infestation 2: The Transformers issue 2|Infestation 2: The Transformers #2}} {{storylink|Infestation 2 issue 1|Infestation 2 #1}}

The Autobots continued to guard humanity in secret for many years, until one day in the 21st century when Ratchet was captured by a human group known as [[Skylogic Systems]]. Upon investigating the organization, Optimus Prime and Bumblebee came into contact with the [[Lone Gunmen]], three humans who were also on Skylogic's tail for their role in creating a dangerous virus. Learning from them that Ratchet's DNA was part of the concoction, the Autobots joined forces with the humans and helped track down [[David Simmons]], the man responsible for releasing the virus. One interrogation later and they had the address to the Skylogic base, though Prime's size prevented him from easily infiltrating the building, so he left the rescue mission up to Bumblebee and the Gunmen. Once Ratchet was saved, the Autobots parted company with their new human friends in an attempt to lure away any Skylogic pursuers. {{storylink|The X-Files: Conspiracy: The Transformers}}

{{note|Events identical to those of ''Hearts of Steel'' and ''Infestation 2'' occurred in the [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]]; however, they happened to [[Maximal]] explorers brainwashed by [[Shockwave (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Shockwave]] into believing they were the Autobots and Decepticons of the Great War. Optimus Prime's identity was taken by the Maximal named [[Domitius Major]].}}

===''Classics'' toy bios===
Optimus Prime appointed [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] to the position of City Commander of Autobot City. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Classics|''Classics'' Ultra Magnus vs. Skywarp toy bio}}

===''Lil Formers''===
Upon meeting an [[Optimus Prime (Animated)|alternate-universe version of himself]], Optimus remarked that his [[David Kaye|counterpart's voice]] was somewhat unsettling. {{storylink|Lil Formers}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' pack-in manga===
Optimus foiled Megatron's attack on 21st century [[Tokyo]] after informing his old foe that wherever he would pop up, the Autobots would be there to thwart his evil intentions. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 1}} Optimus and Bumblebee later intervened when [[Astrotrain (G1)|Astrotrain]] attacked [[Shinjuku Station]], using their bodies to shield nearby humans from the destruction the triple-changer brought about. They were unaware that Astrotrain's rampage was really a distraction staged to keep their attention away from Megatron's gathering of energon cubes nearby. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 2}} Optimus continued to do battle against Astrotrain until Rodimus showed up to provide the Autobots with additional firepower. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 3}}

At a later time, Optimus Prime helped defend a power plant from a Decepticon attack, this time headed by Starscream and a mind-controlled [[Jetfire (G1)|Skyfire]]. During the battle, Skyfire broke free of Starscream's control, and joined up with Optimus and company to repel the Decepticons. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 4}}

Megatron used some of the energon he had previously pilfered to transform himself into Galvatron, and would have killed Prime were it not for Ironhide's timely intervention. Following his defeat, Galvatron reverted into Megatron. {{storylink|Henkei! Henkei! volume 7}}
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===2008 ''Universe'' toy bios===
Optimus Prime put [[Silverbolt (G1)|Silverbolt]] in charge of the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbot]]s in part to distract Silverbolt from his fear of heights. {{storylink|Silverbolt (G1)#Universe (2008)|''Universe'' Ultra Class Silverbolt toy bio}}

===''Henkei! Henkei!'' Bun Bun manga===
When the legendary [[Energon Cube]] was lost to the reaches of space, Optimus Prime led a small team of Autobots in pursuit of it. The giant energy source crashed on Earth in the Japanese town of [[Hoshinochō]], where it shattered into fragments that were scattered far and wide. Prime and the other Autobots set up a subterranean base below the Cube's impact crater and began their search for the shards, taking the forms of local vehicles to hide their activities. Despite their attempts at remaining unseen, glimpses of the Autobots only magnified the reputation the crash of the Cube (believed by humans to be a meteor) had given Hoshinochō: that of a hotbed of rumored alien and UFO activity, Japan's answer to [[United States of America|America]]'s Roswell. {{storylink|Kingdom of Giants}}

The Autobots gained a human ally in their quest when they befriended Doctor [[Osamu Kihara]] of the Governmental Special Diplomatic Agency, who provided more assistance than they could have imagined when his son, [[Akira Kihara|Akira]], was discovered to be a "[[Booster]]", one of many legendary beings born with the ability to control and detect the energies of the Energon Cube. Alas, the Decepticons had followed Prime's Autobots to Earth, and [[Megatron (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Megatron]] sought the boy's powers for his own. To protect Optimus Prime and himself, Akira unleashed the full extent of his powers, driving Megatron back, but causing his body to burn out and disintegrate. Prime was wracked with guilt over what had occurred, and it would haunt him afterward. {{storylink|Time of Resurrection}}

Eleven years after their arrival on Earth, Prime and the Autobots made a new human ally in [[Wataru Hoshinoumi]] when he stumbled into the midst of a battle between Prime's team and [[Starscream (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Starscream]] and [[Ramjet (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Ramjet]]. {{storylink|Enter! The Transformers}} When Megatron joined the fight soon after, he held [[Bumblebee (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Bumblebee]] and Wataru hostage, daring Prime to make a move against him. Prime opened fire, but Megatron merely used the defeated Starscream for a shield, then turned his cannon on the younger duo. Prime unleashed his [[ion blaster]] and apparently deflected the blast with a shot of his own, saving Bumblebee and Wataru and prompting the Decepticons to retreat. {{storylink|The Emperor of Destruction Appears!}}

Prime invited Wataru to visit the Autobots' subterranean base, and he gave the boy a personal tour as he carried the injured Bumblebee to the infirmary. Telling him the story of the Energon Cube and the Autobots' coming to Earth, Prime showed Wataru the large chunk of the cube that they had managed to recover. He then turned his attention to repairing Bumblebee's wounds, and as such, did not notice Wataru reaching out to touch the cube sliver. A bizarre energy discharge resulted that not only showed the Autobots images of [[Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Another Time & Place]], but also healed both Autobots' wounds. Prime dived at Wataru and hauled him away from the shard, returning things to normal, but leaving Prime with grave concerns over what the strange occurrence might mean. {{storylink|Kingdom of Giants}}

When Starscream attacked a power plant with the aid of his brainwashed ally, [[Jetfire (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Skyfire]], Prime carried [[Grimlock (G1)#Henkei! Henkei! Bun Bun manga|Grimlock]] to the scene of the battle on the back of his truck mode. {{storylink|The Enemy from the Arctic}} During the conflict that followed, Prime's suspicions about Wataru were confirmed when the boy manifested a barrier to protect himself and Bumblebee and to help Skyfire overcome the influence of Starscream's mind-controlling helmet. Wataru was a Booster as well! {{storylink|Wataru's Power}} His past experiences naturally made Prime hesitant to put Wataru's power to use, but Osamu Kihara made the point that Wataru's power was invaluable for hunting down shards of the Energon Cube. Prime and Wataru headed out to investigate a local relic that Kihara suspected was a cube shard, and Wataru's powers soon confirmed the doctor's findings. Just as Prime was about to report back to Kihara, however, Megatron struck, demanding that Prime hand over both the shard and Wataru. Prime attempted to feign ignorance of Wataru's powers, but Megatron ignored his bluff and encouraged him to hand the boy over, lest he cost ''another'' Booster their life. Driven into a rage by the stinging barb, Prime violently attacked Megatron with his energon-axe, but as the duel raged, Megatron continued to question Prime's beliefs and his attitude. Unable to deny Megatron's accusation that he had hoped to use Wataru's power to defeat him, Prime lost his concentration and was taken down by the Decepticon leader. Despite what he had learned about a previous Booster dying, Wataru stayed true to Optimus and activated his powers, healing the Autobot's wounds and powering up his energon-axe into a huge sword. Summoning all his energy, Prime took down Megatron with one almighty slash, then collapsed into [[stasis lock]]. {{storylink|Optimus Prime's Secret}}

Prime was brought back to the Autobot base for treatment, but the Decepticons exploited the Autobots' lack of manpower and struck again before Prime recovered. With his men taking a pummeling, the unconscious Prime had a vision of Akira, who spurred him on to awaken and rejoin the battle. With another power boost from Wataru, Prime unleashed a super-charged shot from his ion blaster that took down the fleeing Decepticons. {{storylink|Time of Resurrection}}
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===''Henkei! Henkei! Transformers -Visualize-''===
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===''Alternity''===
[[File:Alternity convoy boxart.jpg|thumb|upright=1.2|This might take some getting used to. Hand me the instructions again!]]
In 2007, the Optimus Prime of [[universal stream]] [[Primax 109.0 Beta]] encountered a mysterious messenger from another world: [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|another incarnation of himself]] from [[BT World|a parallel dimension]] who left him with a warning. Two years hence, Megatron would bring the terrifying super-dimensional lifeform known as the "Beast of Time", the [[Hytherion]], into their dimension to destroy Earth. The only thing that could battle the Hytherion was the power of the super-evolved multi-dimensional race of Cybertronians known as the [[Alternity]]. Prime agreed that when the danger appeared, he would join the Alternity in the fight.

Sure enough, in 2009, when the Hytherion's colossal claw-marks appeared on planets throughout the solar system, Prime's other-dimensional incarnation returned, bringing with him a "Vibrant Red" Vector 109 [[auto-avatar]] with which Prime fused. In that instant, he was reborn as part of the Alternity, a manifold being who encompassed all the different incarnations of Optimus Prime through the multiverse at once. Prime reached his hands heavenward and peeled back the layers of reality, exposing the gargantuan fanged maw of the Hytherion looming above the Autobots. {{storylink|From Here to Alternity}}

Optimus battled alongside the Alternity to fend off the beast, when unexpectedly, [[Megatron (G1)#Alternity|Megatron]] overwrote the beast's higher functions with his own. At first, it seemed that the Hytherion had been killed, but a newly empowered Megatron (in two bodies) appeared and declared that, now possessing a power that rivaled the Alternity's, he challenged his opponents to take him on or see the multiverse itself burn. {{storylink|To Mega Therion}}

As battles between numerous different Primes and Megatrons erupted quite literally all across time and space, another member of the [[Convoy Aggregate]] was later seen battling [[Starscream (G1)#Alternity|Starscream]], who had been empowered by Megatron to serve as leader of his [[Questor]]s. This Prime was so surprised by Starscream's uncharacteristic sports car alternate mode that he left himself open for a blast from Starscream's Retroactive Nullifer cannon, which erased him from the timestream. As he faded out of existence, Prime responded to Starscream's taunts about the death of the Alternity by telling him that they were already well aware of their prophesied end and were well prepared. {{storylink|Foreshadows}}

Optimus was providing cover-fire for a cross-universal battle when he suddenly seized up. Though he rebooted momentarily, he had terrible news for his Protector allies: using the power of the lower-dimensional [[Planicron]]s, Megatron had succeeded in sundering the Alternity's aggregate! Optimus urged his subordinates to not lose hope however, reassuring them that events were still unfolding within the parameters they had foretold. Sure enough, the battle swayed back in the Autobots' favor when [[Thundercracker (G1)#Alternity|Thundercracker]], disgusted by Megatron's reckless use of their power, freed the Planicrons and robbed Megatron of his most powerful weapon. Optimus then tasked [[Arcee (Energon)|Elita Seven]], [[Nemesis Prime (Universe)|the black Convoy]], and [[Bumblebee (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity|Bumblebee]] to track down the [[Critias Gate|doorway]] that would allow the Planicrons to ascend to the higher-dimensions, putting them on the path to supersede the Alternity as multiversal protectors. While they attended to this task, the rest of the now-former Alternity busied themselves by destroying Megatron's auto-avatars, weakening the villain and disallowing him from interfering further with the Planicrons' destiny.

After this had all come to pass, the Autobots all returned to their proper place in the multiverse. {{storylink|Alternation}}

{{note|Alternity beings are both individuals and a collective of separate entities. More fiction about Optimus Prime's Alternity collective can be found [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity#Alternity|here]].}}

===''Robot Heroes'' comic===
[[File:IDW I am Optimus Prime battle.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.66|Adorobots VS. Decepticutes.]]
Optimus Prime was given the Matrix by [[Primus]] himself, and used to be friends with Megatron. Prowl is his closest friend and Ratchet is his oldest. Searching for Energon, the Autobots landed on Earth, but were followed by the Decepticons. With the help of their human allies, they bested their foes, and knowing they would return, decided to stay and wait to defend the planet once more. Optimus Prime was proud to be an Autobot. {{storylink|I Am Optimus Prime (Robot Heroes)|I Am Optimus Prime}}
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===''Universe'' cartoon===
{{voiceactor|[[Ron Hayden]] (English)}}
[[File:Actionblast1matrix.jpg|left|thumb|upright=1.4|Anyone with a history of seizures should leave the room now.]]
Optimus Prime narrated the events of what happened before the Ark crashed on Earth. He became the new leader of a long line of Autobot leaders via the discovery of the Matrix. On their quest for more Energon, the Autobots were chased by Decepticons to the planet known as Earth and crashed on it. When they emerged from the Ark, Optimus Prime scanned his truck altmode, stating that the war would not end on Earth. {{Storylink|Action Blast 1}}

[[File:FfE Optimus Prime Cyclonus.JPG|thumb|upright=1.4|Don't get distracted by your own fist Cyclonus! Do you WANT to lose your face?]]
Both Optimus Prime and Bumblebee raced down a street in an unknown desert while having an argument about Energon. He ordered Bumblebee to scan the surroundings to find the location where the Decepticons were hiding, and to be careful for possible scouts. When Bumblebee noted what the Decepticons were doing, Prime speculated that they might be planning to convert the energy into Energon, and ordered Bumblebee to create a diversion. While Bumblebee and Cyclonus fought, Prime made a surprise attack and took out Cyclonus with his Ion-axe, before turning his attention to Megatron. When both Decepticons fled, Prime told Bumblebee they'd done a good job (in front of a burning Gas station), and both Autobots got back on the move. {{storylink|Fight for Energon}}
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===''United''===
Millions of years ago, Megatron thought Optimus Prime to be forever vanquished. He was proven wrong when the Autobot leader rushed into battle against the Decepticons in a surprise attack. In the ages that followed, Megatron and Optimus would battle time and again, often upgrading themselves into new bodies. {{storylink|A New Battle!}}

At some point, [[Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|Darkside Optimus Prime]] was born out of the darkness in Optimus Prime's mind. {{storylink|Darkside Optimus Prime (United)|''United'' Darkside Optimus Prime toy bio}}

After the Autobot [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]s and [[Targetmaster (technology)|Targetmaster]]s successfully retrieved a cure for a deadly nano-virus from the planet [[Nebulos|Nebulon]], Optimus Prime commended them for their heroic efforts in a ceremony. {{storylink|The Fierce Fighting on Planet Nebulos}}

In response to attacks by Decepticons pretending to be Autobots, Optimus Prime took on a black color scheme to infiltrate the Decepticons. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#UnitedBlack|''United'' Black Optimus Prime toy bio}}

===''Unit:E'' comic===
Upon approaching the planet [[Earth]], the artificial intelligence [[Synergy]] presented footage of the Autobots to her crew-mate, the young [[Microman|Acroyear]], so that he could learn about his potential allies and enemies on the alien world. Optimus Prime could be seen ordering Bumblebee onward on one of Synergy's view-screens. {{storylink|Unit:E (issue)|Unit:E}}

===''BeCool'' shorts===
{{voiceactor|[[Kōichi Toshima]] (Japanese)}}
'''Trailer''' (トレーラー ''Torērā'') was often sleepy, but was the strongest of the BeCools. He could carry stuff in his trailer. {{storylink|The Self-Introduction Chapter}} When Trailer came across a traffic jam, he crashed into the BeCools holding him up, forcing them to transform into robot mode and realize they could just walk past the jam. {{storylink|The Story of the Surprising and Big Traffic Jam!}} When the same bunch of BeCools were stuck before a hole, Trailer selflessly used his body to act as a bridge for the other BeCools. [[Bumblebee (G1)|Yellow Sports Car]] was so inspired by his heroism that he offered to fill the hole so that Trailer could pass through. Trailer did so and sped away, leaving Yellow Sports Car in the hole. {{storylink|The Story of Mister Trailer's Big Success!}}

In the forest, Trailer observed the lost [[Powerglide (G1)|Red Jet]] and Yellow Sports Car. He wondered why Red Jet didn't just fly out. {{storylink|The Story of the Lost Plane!}} Trailer later played in the ''Quiz! BeCool'' show with [[Megatron (G1)|Tank Lorry]] on his team. The two's answer fumbling and arguments led them to lose the game. Another BeCool, '''Garbage Truck''' (清掃車 ''Seisōsha''), was part of one question. {{storylink|The Story of Quiz! BeCool}} While Yellow Sports Car was explaining BeCool marks to [[you]], Trailer was asleep in his Trailer Base, appropriately displaying his "Zzz..." BeCool mark. {{storylink|The Story of What Do I Know About the BeCool Mark?}}

Garbage Truck was doing his job when he accidentally left a [[banana]] peel on the road. This had catastrophic consequences, with Yellow Sports Car slipping on it and causing a traffic accident. {{storylink|The Story of Protecting the Signal!}}

Trailer took up a job with the fire brigade, hoping to earn some work experience. When they spotted Yellow Sports Car screaming for help on a burning building, they rescued him, only for the whole thing to be revealed as part of the filming of a movie. Garbage Truck witnessed the whole thing. {{storylink|The Story of the Fire Brigade Dispatch!}}

===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
Before his death, Alpha Trion bequeathed unto Optimus Prime the Matrix of Leadership. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}

[[File:FormFollowsFunction-extradimensionaloptimus.jpg|thumb|right|250px]]
Optimus became the leader of the Autobots for a time, then disappeared, leaving his people to be ruled tyrannically by Megatron.{{storylink|Targetmasters (issue)|Targetmasters}} Megatron never stopped seeking out his old foe, rewarding any of his troops that provided him with information that could lead to Optimus's whereabouts. {{storylink|The Golden Boys}} As for the Autobots, they were uncertain exactly as to why Optimus had disappeared; some believed Optimus had simply abandoned his troops, while other believed he was fulfilling some greater purpose and would return to them in their hour of need. Ultimately, it was [[Snake-Eyes]] and [[Duke (G.I. Joe)|Duke]] who found the Autobot leader, lost in the void between dimensions. {{storylink|Form Follows Function}} There, the three of them became ensnared by the [[Quintesson]]s. They escaped the extra-dimensional entities' mind-probe and made their way back to normal space. En route, Optimus learned from Duke that Bumblebee had traveled to Earth and met his demise there. His human companions went off to help their friends on Cybertron, while Optimus headed for [[T.H.E. P.I.T.]] on Earth, eviscerating numerous [[Coltonbolt]] satellites as he entered the atmosphere. {{storylink|Everybody Hates Metroplex}}

[[File:EverybodyHatesMetroplex-optimusreturns.jpg|thumb|left|250px]]

Within G.I. Joe's headquarters, Optimus found [[Doctor Venom]] controlling a robotic suit made out of the remains of both Bumblebee and Soundwave. The battle between him and the Joes spilled out into the open and into another battle, where Decepticobra was attacking the United Nations. As more factions joined the brawl, Optimus yanked Bumblebee's components free from Soundwave's body and took to the skies, back to Cybertron. {{storylink|Expelled from the Garden}} There, he was able to reunite Bumblebee's body with his head. {{storylink|Headmasters (issue)|Headmasters}}

Megatron came upon Optimus and challenged his old foe to a duel. Optimus managed to gain the upper hand, but hesitated to deliver the killing blow when he discovered that Megatron had married the Matrix to his spark, corrupting it. Several Decepticons then swarmed Optimus, allowing Megatron to blast a hole through his chest. Dead and defeated, Optimus plummeted down into the bowels of Cybertron. {{storylink|Pax Megatronus}} Rodimus and Duke travelled far beneath Cybertron, where they discovered Ultra Magnus- the Autobot god of death -carrying Optimus's body away. {{storylink|Earth: R.I.P.}}

On another plane of existence, Optimus travelled the path to the Matrix, guided by the voice of his old mentor Alpha Trion. The path led him to Grimlock, who had also been killed by Megatron; Prime rescued Grimlock from Kremzeek, the demonic eater of souls. At the gateway to the great beyond, they encountered Bludgeon, who announced that only those who bore the "key to Vector Stigmata" may pass through. Prime realized that the wounds on his body form the key, but the angel insisted that these would grant Prime access. Prime took Grimlock's sword and bestowed the key on Grimlock, allowing the former Autobot King to ascend into the Matrix while Prime stayed behind. {{storylink|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}}

[[File:TheWarNeverEnds-returnofoptimusprime.jpg|thumb|OPTIMUS PRIME EJECT! OPERATION COME BACK|right|175px]]

Scarlett later used the Brainwave Scanner to contact Optimus's spirit and guide him back to the mortal realm. In the physical world, Ultra Magnus challenged Megatron to a duel on a Dyson sphere surrounding the sun. The Autobot god had not ferried Optimus to the afterlife - he had merely repaired Optimus's body by taking it into himself. During the climatic duel, he allowed Optimus to burst free from within his armor. The reborn Optimus punched Megatron into the sun, then turned his attention to reclaiming the stolen Matrix from the Decepticons. After [[Atlas (G1)|Atlas]] defeated the maddened Primus, Optimus healed Snake-Eyes' injuries. Optimus then turned his attention to returning Primus/Cybertron to its regular orbit. As the planet left the solar system, he departed aboard the ''[[Ark II|Ark 2]]'' alongside a crew of Joes and Autobots, in the hopes of contacting the Makers. {{storylink|The War Never Ends}}

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===''Transformers: All Spark''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Another Episode, Part 1}} {{storylink|Another Episode, Part 2}} {{storylink|The Fated Rival, Once Again...}} {{storylink|To Earth}} {{storylink|Reunion and Parting}} {{storylink|Plans of the Emperor of Destruction}} {{storylink|Revenge (All Spark)|Revenge}} {{storylink|The False Power}} {{storylink|Ray of Hope}} {{storylink|Great Aspirations}} {{storylink|Conclusion}}}}

===''Q-Robo Transformer''===
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===''Transformers GT: Mission GT-R''===
In a world where the Transformers' war settled into a series of friendly competitive races known as the [[Transformers GT]], Optimus Prime became the [[GT Transformer]] known as '''GT-R Prime'''. As a racer he was known for his serious but sometimes hot-blooded personality and his skillful use of the [[Impact Wrench Gun]], though he maintained an honorable policy never to fire directly at an opposing racer's body. Like other racers, GT-R Prime put a limit on his own strength by separating his Matrix into a [[GT Sister]], creating his partner [[Misaki]].

====''Story of Transformers GT''====
[[File:Story of GT 1.jpg|thumb|right|200px|]]
On the day before the Transformers GT began, GT-R Prime found himself racing with [[Star Saber (Victory)|GT-R Saber]] when they were both out for a test run. Though Misaki warned him not to get too invested in a practice race, Prime took the challenge seriously and won the race by briefly transforming into robot mode, thus tricking Saber into slowing down in anticipation of a fight. {{storylink|Test Run Battle! –Prelude–}} Prime earned the pole position for the Transformers GT, but this combined with his victory over Saber made him overconfident, and he was unprepared when Saber attacked him immediately as the race began and sent him flying. {{storylink|First Fast Attack! –Whoever Strikes First Wins–}} [[Megatron (G1)|GT-R Megatron]] also targeted Prime during the course of the race, seeing him as his fated rival. {{storylink|One Shot and One Kill!! –Finishing Blow–}}

====Comic====
GT-R Prime was racing against [[Star Saber (Victory)|GT-R Saber]] and [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|GT-R Maximus]] when they were rudely interrupted by [[Megatron (G1)|GT-R Megatron]], a ruthless racer out to prove his worth by defeating all others. A fight broke out, but Prime interrupted it and convinced Megatron that they all shared the same need for speed, persuading him to settle things with a race instead. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (comic)|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R}}

====Story pages====
Though Optimus was a master marksman, he had a personal policy against shooting directly at his opponents' bodies during his races. In one such race, he allowed his rival to take the lead so that he could use his favorite weapon, the [[Impact Wrench Gun]], to blast the road beneath the other racer's feet, causing him to lose his balance. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|Transform in a gust!}} When GT-R Megatron burst onto the scene, roaring that all previous races had failed to "ignite his warrior's spark," Optimus readied to give him the race of a lifetime. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|GT-R Megatron Attacks!}} Like other racers, GT-R Prime attended photo shoots alongside Misaki in order to promote coexistence between humans and Transformers. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|The Work of the GT Sister Race Queens?}} When a reincarnated [[Unicron]] attacked the Transformers GT finals and absorbed the huge [[energon]] pool saved up for the final prize, Prime restored his true power by using the "Matrix In" process to recombine with Misaki. Together with the other powered up racers, he fought and defeated Unicron, saving the Earth. {{storylink|Transformers GT: Mission GT-R (story page)|The True TFGT}}

===''Construct-Bots'' cartoon===
Optimus Prime came upon [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]] attacking [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]], and so rear-ended the [[Decepticon]]. The impact caused Megatron's parts to come off his chassis. Optimus claimed these components for himself. {{storylink|Toys & App TV Commercial}}

Optimus and Bumblebee snuck into the Decepticons' base, and found their enemies upgrading themselves with [[Autobot]] parts. The pair took offense to this, and Bumblebee set about sabotaging the process. Megatron wound up tripping on some gumballs thanks to the Autobot's mucking about, and Optimus congratulated his fellow Autobot on a prank well done! {{storylink|Intro!}}

Optimus later helped Bumblebee put his parts back on his bare chassis. During the dress-up, Bumblebee managed to accidentally swallow his Autobot badge. Fortunately, Bumblebee managed to soon cough it back out. Unfortunately, Bumblebee then proceeded to sing out of tune, annoying Optimus. {{storylink|Bumblebee Speaks!}}

On another occasion, Optimus got a little carried away with strapping new parts onto Bumblebee. The final piece he attached to the yellow 'bot was a rocket, which activated and sent Bumblebee wheeling through the air. Bumblebee eventually came crashing back down, and Optimus slowly backed away out of embarrassment. {{storylink|Strength!}}

===''Cloud''===
[[File:Cloud Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|]]

At one time, Optimus Prime worked alongside Megatron, bringing order throughout dimensions with the power of [[SARA]]. But Megatron was ambitious, and sought to use SARA's power for his own ends. Optimus saved Metropolis from Megatron's rebellion, and the Autobots banished Megatron from [[Metropolis]]. Optimus Prime remained behind as the leader of the [[Autobot]]s. {{storylink|Fate}} As head of the space-time guardians residing in [[Cloud World]]'s Metropolis, he was a valiant and powerful leader who commanded the utmost respect from his subordinates. Optimus Prime stood for peace and freedom for all sentient beings in all of time and space. His sense of responsibility in this regard was a bit too great for his own good, as it often left him worrying about things outside of his control.

His weapon of choice was a powerful [[ion blaster]] that transformed into a back-mounted energy unit used to control his movement between dimensions.

Optimus was checking up on the Autobots' ongoing energy collecting campaign when Wheeljack informed him that a disturbance in [[Duel on the Asteroid|Sector 33HM]] of space-time would eventually cause major problems in its time-stream. Optimus assigned the investigation of this disturbance to Bumblebee, then noted that [[Hot Rod (G1)|Hot Rodimus]] had not completed his latest report, communications with the young Autobo having been lost while he was on his own mission. With a brief inspirational speech, he urged his subordinates to redouble their efforts in maintaining harmony throughout reality. Little did Optimus suspect that in his own universe, Megatron was planning a coup against the Autobots... {{storylink|Uprising (Cloud)|Uprising}}

The Decepticons' initial strike came abruptly and brutally, devastating entire districts of Metropolis. Optimus was meeting with Hot Rodimus as this took place, and was nearly overcome with grief when Ratchet informed him of the carnage the Decepticons had wrought. Steeling himself, Optimus coordinated the city's defenses, ordering his troops to be dispatched where they were most needed to repel the invasion. Upon spotting an old enemy on one of the nearby monitors, Optimus geared up to go in the field himself. Arming himself with his favorite pistol, Optimus resolved to take down Megatron. {{storylink|Raid}}

Optimus confronted his archenemy on the battlefield, though he had to knock Starscream aside to get to him first. Due to a nearby explosion that rocked the battlefield, Optimus nearly lost both his stance and his head when Megatron took advantage of the opening. But Optimus's quick reflexes allowed him to shift to vehicle mode and back, dodging Megatron's attack and striking back in the process. As the battle raged on, both combatants found themselves evenly matched. Then Ratchet contacted Optimus with dire news; the Decepticons had managed to abduct SARA! {{storylink|Fate}}

In shock over the news, Optimus could do little more than scream in agony as Megatron and Starscream made their escape. After regaining his senses, the Autobot leader resumed contact with Ratchet, relaying the order that all Autobots were to return to base. There, Optimus tried his best to calm his panicking subordinates. Though he assured them that power reserves would allow their civilization to continue functioning for some time, they remained jittery. Optimus then declared that he would spearhead a counter-invasion of the Underground. Still, the Autobots remained uncertain, with [[Brawn (G1)|Brawn]] pointing out that the Underground was not only vast and dangerous, but mostly unmapped as well. Taking full responsibility for SARA's abduction onto himself, Optimus suggested that he venture to the Underground alone and track SARA's energy signature. Hot Rodimus, however, was unwilling to allow his leader to take such a dangerous course of action, and volunteered to join him. The rest of the Autobots, finding their courage at last, followed suit. Moved by their devotion, Optimus accepted. He also thanked Hot Rodimus for calling out his foolishness, as Optimus now recognized that he would have made an even greater mistake by diving headlong into a doomed venture. Brawn approached Optimus next, insisting he join the group. Optimus at first refused, as Brawn had gotten badly injured during the invasion, but was convinced by the minibot's resolve. Once they were ready, Optimus issued the order to his Autobots... ROLL OUT! {{storylink|Resolve}}

The Autobots tracked SARA's energy signature to a decrepit old building. While a team headed by [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] stormed the building's main floor as a distraction, Optimus, Hot Rodimus and Brawl infiltrated its basement covertly. Coming upon the Decepticons' inner sanctum, they found Megatron having already wired SARA into his own body! Horrified by this development, Optimus demanded to know what Megatron was planning to do. The true extent of Megatron's megalomania was then revealed; the Decepticon leader planned to use SARA's energy to become ruler of all space-time, even if it meant destroying his home dimension in the process. Both Hot Rodimus and Brawn were knocked aside by Megatron in short order, leaving Optimus with no back-up and few options. Deciding he needed to take down Megatron, even at the cost of his own life, Optimus transformed to vehicle mode and rammed the Decepticon. He then lost consciousness...

Optimus awakened to the sound of [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]]'s voice. Taking in his surroundings, he noted that he was now in an organic forest, surrounded by unfamiliar Cybertronians. It soon dawned on him that he had been transported to the dimension where Megatron had intended to begin his conquest: the [[OG World]]. The 'bots surrounding him were the local counterparts to his own Autobots, including his own doppelgänger! The locals informed him that they had found him thanks to the help of his "companion," a small robotic girl. Before Optimus could puzzle out who this humanoid was, the group came under attack by the local Megatron. Though badly injured, "Cloud Optimus Prime" had the strength to fight alongside "G1 Optimus Prime" against the Decepticons, and protect the girl that had brought the Autobots to him. During the fight, blasts from both Primes' rifles collided with a blast from Megatron's fusion cannon, knocking all of the combatants down. Cloud Optimus Prime ensured that the girl was safe before before his attention was drawn to the horizon by a familiar voice. It was "Cloud Megatron," who had also survived his inter-dimensional trip, and had come to continue his fight against his nemesis. {{storylink|Leap}}

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===''Transformers × Evangelion''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Mode "Eva" chapter 1}} {{storylink|Mode "Eva" chapter 2}} {{storylink|Mode "Eva" chapter 3}} {{storylink|Mode "Eva" chapter 4}}}}

===''Angry Birds'' comic===
[[File:ABTF1 Optimus+HeatwavevsShockwave.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.5]]
Optimus and his Autobots were aboard the Ark, on the run from the Decepticons. With him, Optimus had what Megatron was forever seeking; the [[AllSpark]]! With the ship taking heavy damage from the Autobots' pursuers, Optimus ordered Jazz to take them into an emergency quantum jump. Jazz informed Prime that the jump would take longer to initiate than the time the Decepticons would need to board their vessel. As such, Optimus entrusted the AllSpark to Bumblebee while he and the rest of the bridge crew steeled themselves to hold off their enemies. Thanks to Starscream breaking rank in the Decepticons' formation, Optimus was able to hold back Megatron, and with [[Heatwave (G1)|Heatwave]]'s help, repel them from the ship just as it initiated the quantum jump. However, at that moment the AllSpark tumbled off-ship, falling into the quantum tunnel and seemingly being lost for good... {{storylink|Angry Birds Transformers issue 1|Angry Birds Transformers #1}}

Optimus led the search for the AllSpark through space, but he and his troops were unable to locate the artifact. Though the search seemed hopeless, Optimus assured the others that they would not give up until Cybertron's last hope for survival was found... At that moment, a [[Minion Pig|strange green pig]] crashed through one of the ship's windows, with the AllSpark in tow. Optimus stared in bewilderment at the strange creature as it asked for a ride back [[Piggy Island|home]]. {{storylink|Hard Boiled}}

===''Transformers Legends'' comic===
A truck at [[Transformers Celebration 2014]] opened its trailer to reveal a large, speaking bust of Optimus Prime, much to [[Rhinox (BW)|Rhinox]]'s nostalgic pleasure. {{storylink|Legends Bonus Vol.}} Another statue of Prime appeared at a ''[[Q-Transformers]]'' event at the Decks Tokyo Beach shopping center. {{storylink|Deckss × Q-Transformers Collaboration Event Report|Deckss x Q-Transformers}}

===''Combiner Wars'' toy bios===
[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]]'s legendary status was exceeded only by the legendary status of Optimus Prime. {{storylink|Ultra Magnus (G1)/toys#Generations|''Combiner Wars'' Ultra Magnus toy bio}} Upgraded with the power of combination, Optimus could combine with any bots to form [[Ultra Prime]]. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Combiner Wars|''Combiner Wars'' Optimus Prime toy bio}} With mastery over the power of Combiners, the combined courage of Optimus and the Autobots would stop the Decepticon Combiners threatening cities and entire civilizations. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#BattlelCoreOP|''Combiner Wars'' Battle Core Optimus Prime toy bio}}

===Ask Vector Prime===
In [[Primax 092.0 Beta]], Optimus Prime was a student of [[Hyperdrive (Turbomaster)|Hyperdrive]] at the [[Cybertron Elite Guard|Elite Guard]] academy before the Great War. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/16}}

Some time later, Optimus, now called Star Convoy, and [[Hot Rod (G1)#Fire Rodimus|Fire Rodimus]] formed Supernova Convoy to vanquish [[Dark Nova|Star Giant]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Ultra Megatron]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/08/15}}

Later on, Optimus, now called Optimus again, defeated the returned [[Nucleon (substance)|nucleon]]-empowered Megatron, subsequently retiring from leader of the Autobots and passing on the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to Hyperdrive. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/07/16}}

===General Optimus===
[[File:GeneralOptimusPrime-CMW.jpg|thumb|right|upright=2.0|"You magnificent bastard, ''I read [[Towards Peace|YOUR BOOK!]]''"]]

General Optimus Prime hailed from [[Primax 096.0 Beta]]. {{Storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/06}} During the [[Great War (G1)|third Cybertronian war]], {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Timelines|General Optimus Prime profile card}} he fought on Earth against [[Megatron (G1)/toys#ATB|Megatron]]: in the Battle of [[Sherman Dam]], the two fought directly but the battle would have gone against the Autobots if not for the arrival of the [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]]. {{storylink|Ask Vector Prime#Facebook|Ask Vector Prime, 2015/09/06}} In the latter stages of the war, he upgraded himself with heavier armor and weaponry in order to match Megatron's flight and combination upgrade.

At the final battle against the [[Decepticon Empire|Decepticon Star Empire]] on [[Mirtonia]], Prime and his [[Firestormer|Firestormer Squadron]] emerged victorious, though the battle concluded with an experimental energon refinery exploding and blasting the General and [[Hound (G1)|Sergeant Hound]] out of their own reality into [[Nexus 208.0 Epsilon]].

In [[Axiom Nexus]], General Optimus Prime found himself inducted into the [[Convoy (group)|Convoy]], a group of Optimus Primes and their kin dedicated to safeguarding the [[multiverse]]. While the other Convoy members tended to stay in the upper reaches of Axiom Nexus, the General was able to use his unusual appearance for an Optimus Prime to venture in the Offworlder zones without suspicion, a great help to [[Axiom Nexus Security Administration|Offworlder Zone Security Administration]] Commander [[Cheetor (TransTech)|Cheetor]]. The General was also assisted in his new mission by his longtime scout, Sergeant Hound. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Timelines|General Optimus Prime profile card}} {{storylink|Hound (G1)/toys#Timelines|Sgt. Hound profile card}}

When Sergeant Hound apprehended a criminal going by the name "[[Megatron (Movie)|C-81]]", rumors that the prisoner was in reality a "Megatron" that had gotten past the TransTechs' security procedures piqued General Optimus Prime's interest. Though Cheetor assured him that it was impossible for a "Megatron" to have been allowed in Axiom Nexus, the General's concerns did not fade. More pressing concerns took over, however, when the entirety of Axiom Nexus, and nearly all of the TransTechs suffered a sudden shutdown due to a surge in the Global Net. General Optimus Prime tasked [[Bruticus (RID)|Bruticus]] with keeping guard over the prison while he and Hound went to investigate the source of the surge, the planet's core.

When Optimus and Hound eventually made their way there, they found that C-81 and his gang of criminals had escaped prison and were combating the [[Waruder]] soldiers responsible for the planetary shutdown. Optimus mistakenly assumed that C-81 and his goons were there on purpose, and joined them in fending off the invaders. They were soon joined by [[Burn Out]] and [[Lift-Ticket (Diaclone)|Lift-Ticket]], who informed the Cybertronians that they had stumbled across the Waruders' main hive. Lift-Ticket explained the Waruders could be repelled if he managed to get a sample of the hive's venom. Optimus was willing to go along with Lift-Ticket's dangerous plan, despite C-81's skepticism. However, the battle came to an end when C-81 managed to grab a hold of the Waruders' [[Beet-Chit|leader]], and forced the bug into peaceful negotiations. Optimus agreed to allow the Waruders to migrate to another Cybertron via C-81's illegal interuniversal gate, in exchange for a venom sample that would be used to create an anti-toxin to revive the TransTech. The General nonetheless impounded C-81's gate afterwards, though he did let the criminals "slip away" as thanks for their part in thwarting the Waruder invasion.

General Optimus Prime later attended a meeting of the Convoy held by [[Starscream (TransTech)|Starscream]]. There, he assured the others present that he had been mistaken about the rumored Megatron's identity. Starscream was convinced, but the rest of the Convoy were savvy to the truth. The other Optimuses supported General Optimus Prime's decision, stating that if C-81 had earned the General's trust, that was good enough for the rest of them. Optimus was later seen hanging out with [[Spy-Eye]] on his off-time. {{storylink|Cybertron's Most Wanted}}

General Optimus Prime led the Convoy in a raid on [[Alpha Trion (SG)|Alpha Trion]]'s old laboratory, which had more recently been appropriated by [[Cy-Kill (GoBots)|Cy-Kill]]. Though the terrorists were gone, the Convoy recovered the long-lost sparks of [[Blackarachnia (TransTech)|Blackarachnia]], [[Nightscream (TransTech)|Nightscream]], and [[Immorticon (TransTech)|Immorticon]]. {{storylink|Rook - Axiom Nexus News: Investigative Journalist|Rook - Axiom Nexus News, 2015/12/02}}

[[Hawk (G.I. Joe)|General Hawk]] stated in an interview that his typical transportation in Axiom Nexus was his Convoy colleagues. As the seats of General Optimus Prime's vehicle mode were manufactured at the same location as the [[VAMP]]s of his universe, Hawk was able to find a degree of familiarity in the strange world of Axiom Nexus. {{storylink|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News Reporter|Andromeda - Axiom Nexus News, 2016/05/01}}

===''Of Masters and Mayhem''===
In one Universe, Optimus led his Autobots against Megatron's Decepticons until the Cybertronian civil war led to the creation of the monstrous combiner [[Thunder Mayhem]]. Thunder Mayhem turned on his masters, ultimately leading to him rampaging across Cybertron. {{storylink|History}} The Decepticon [[Toxitron (G1)|Toxitron]] was made to resemble Optimus Prime as a blow to Autobot morale and also sported a cybermetric signature that matched Prime's. {{storylink|The Toxic Transformer}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|History}} {{storylink|Pandora's Gift}} {{storylink|Finale}}}}

===''Prime Wars Trilogy'' cartoons===
{{voiceactor|[[Jon Bailey]] (English, ''Combiner Wars''), [[Peter Cullen]] (English, ''Titans Return'', ''Power of the Primes'')}}
[[File:TheDuel Windblade and Optimus Prime.jpg|thumb|275px|My ax belongs to your... hey, I should totally try [https://my.ax-semantics.com/#/login MyAX].]]
During the war, Optimus was killed in battle by Megatron, but was eventually resurrected. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}} Coming to the dire realization that the war against the Decepticons had become a never-ending arms race, Optimus Prime challenged Megatron to single-combat, with their troops acting as witnesses to their terrible and final clash. The battle between both faction leaders ended with Megatron beaten down and goading Optimus into delivering the kill shot...

Optimus later found himself a wanderer, no longer leader of the Autobot forces. While traveling through Cybertron's barren wastes, he reminisced on his pivotal duel against his archenemy. {{storylink|Prelude to Transformers: Combiner Wars - Optimus Prime}}

{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|The Fall}} {{storylink|The Council}} {{storylink|The Duel}} {{storylink|Unforgotten}} {{storylink|Homecoming (CW)|Homecoming}} {{storylink|A War of Giants}} {{storylink|Darkest Hour (CW)|Darkest Hour}} {{storylink|Destruction's Dawn}}}}

After the Combiner Wars, Optimus watched the reconstruction efforts. Not wanting to overstay his welcome and preferring to leave Cybertron's leadership in its existing hands, he bid farewell to the Mistress of Flame and Windblade and departed for parts unknown. {{storylink|Aftermath and Rebirth}} On the way, he received a vision of future events from the Matrix and headed back towards Metroplex City. There, he met up with Megatron and told him of his vision, believing that the Combiner Wars and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]]'s attack were signs of a greater threat, one that would lead to their ultimate destruction. Megatron laughed off his concerns, and the two parted ways. {{storylink|The Fight Begins}}

Optimus made his way to the [[Primal Basilica]], where he found [[Perceptor (G1)|Perceptor]] standing over the Mistress of Flame's battered corpse. Unable to do anything for her, Prime activated the Basilica's defenses as a means of stalling Trypticon. Learning from Perceptor that Rodimus had given up the Matrix, the two entered the chamber of the [[Chorus of the Primes]] to have the Matrix returned to him. {{storylink|Desperate Actions}} However, Optimus revealed the Matrix was not for him, but rather for Perceptor, as he wanted to make sure it would be taken as far away from Trypticon's grasp as possible. He guided Perceptor to a secret exit from the Basilica and sent the scientist on his way. {{storylink|Run for Our Lives}} Warned by the Chorus to "beware the power of the Primes", Optimus charged back towards the battlefield and began attacking Trypticon, rescuing Victorion. Optimus led the Combiners in battle against Trypticon, but the [[Titan (IDW)|Titan]] managed to hit him, sending him hurtling towards some sharp rubble. Thankfully, he was caught at the last moment by [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]]. {{storylink|In Good Hands}}

[[File:Machinima-Titans-Return-Ep10-OptimusDies.jpg|thumb|left|upright=1.4|Optimus killed in battle? Must be a day of the week ending in "Y".]]
As the two Titans battled, Optimus found Megatron watching the fight and demanded he assist them, but Megatron refused. When Trypticon swallowed the Enigma of Combination and took control of the Combiners, Optimus attempted to attack them as a distraction, but he was caught and the Combiners attempted to pull him apart. Optimus managed to break free of his captors and was further saved by the timely arrival of Megatron. Against Optimus's wishes, Perceptor returned and tricked Trypticon into swallowing the Matrix. {{storylink|Consumed}} However, this ultimately proved successful, and Trypticon released all that he had swallowed during the conflict before falling inert once again. The relief was short-lived, though, as [[The Fallen|Megatronus]] suddenly appeared before them, proving Optimus's fears. Optimus and Maximus attempted to surprise attack Megatronus, but he brushed off their blows and fired a beam through Optimus's chest, killing the Autobot once more. {{storylink|All Things Must Pass}}

In the aftermath, Victorion believed trying to find the [[Requiem Blaster (Megatronus)|Requiem Blaster]] was a fool's errand, and that they should have been preparing Optimus Prime's funeral instead. {{storylink|The Swamp}} Megatron often thought of Optimus, noting the similarities between him and [[Optimus Primal (BW)|Optimus Primal]] {{storylink|Primal (POTP)|Primal}} and wondering what his old rival would think of his heroic exploits. {{storylink|Consequences}} Ultimately, thanks to his connection to the Matrix and the Primes, Optimus's spark was freed from the Well and revived after Megatronus's defeat, to the joy of his companions. Mourning the sacrifice of Megatron, whom he considered a brother, he commended Optimal Optimus for being a fine choice as the new Matrix-bearer, and began teaching him the ways of Cybertron, promising to support him in his new leadership role. {{storylink|Saga's End}}

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===''Titans Return'' marketing material===
[[File:HasbroPulse TitansReturn PowermasterOPArt.jpg|right|thumb|250px|I am the hope of the Omniverse!]]

When the long-lost [[Titan Master]]s reemerged into modern society and joined the Autobot-Decepticon war, Optimus Prime was partnered with the Titan Master [[Hi-Q|Apex]], who carried a portion of Prime's spark, boosting the legendary commander's already formidable abilities. {{storylink|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#Titans Return|''Titans Return'' Apex/Powermaster Optimus Prime toy bio}} On [[Velocitron]], Optimus Prime was present for the biggest race of the year when [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Squeezeplay (G1)|Crashbash]] arrived and attempted to botnap [[Haywire|Hyperfire]]. Optimus ordered [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] and [[Hardhead (G1)|Hardhead]] to battle against them. Later, Optimus was part of a battle on Cybertron against [[Soundwave (G1)|Soundwave]]. During the battle, the Autobots' base [[Fortress Maximus (G1)|Fortress Maximus]] transformed to thwart the Decepticon advance. Optimus Prime declared that to defeat the Decepticons, the Autobots would need to master the power of the Titan Masters. {{storylink|Titans Return: The Power of the Titan Masters}}

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===e-HOBBY comics===
[[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] cloned Optimus Prime to make [[Convobat]]. {{storylink|Convobat#Legends|''Legends'' Convobat bio}} For his part, Convobat wanted to meet his "father". {{storylink|Cybertron Convobat}}

===''Aw Yeah Revolution!''===
{{charstubfiction|{{storylink|Aw Yeah Revolution! issue 1|Aw Yeah Revolution! #1}} {{storylink|Aw Yeah Revolution! issue 2|Aw Yeah Revolution! #2}}}}

===''Star Trek vs. Transformers''===
{{comingsoon|when=September 26, 2018}}

==Commercial appearances==
Optimus Prime has appeared in more [[Commercial|television commercials]] than any other Transformer... just as with everything else. He has been voiced by [[Peter Cullen]] in every animation segment in which he's had a speaking role. The commercials that had original footage of Optimus Prime include the following:

[[File:Toycommercial-firstPrime.jpg|thumb|My wheels don't disappear!]]
*Optimus Prime arrived in the midst of a desert battle as the Decepticons attacked a power plant on Earth, driving to back up his troops in defending it. He struck a rather iconic pose as he transformed and fired. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#The Transformers #1|''The Transformers'' #1}}
{{note|This first commercial used nonfinal versions of the characters' [[character model]]s; Optimus Prime, for example, still had wheels on his legs.}}
*Optimus was later seen charging into battle alongside Prowl, Jazz, and Sideswipe. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Optimus Prime and Megatron|Optimus Prime and Megatron commercial}}
*During a battle against Megatron, Optimus summoned [[Smokescreen (G1)|Smokescreen]], [[Tracks (G1)|Tracks]], [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]], [[Inferno (G1)|Inferno]], [[Red Alert (G1)|Red Alert]], and [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] to his side. Megatron responded by calling down [[Thrust (G1)|Thrust]] and [[Dirge (G1)|Dirge]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Thrust and Dirge|Autobot cars plus Thrust and Dirge commercial}}
*Optimus confronted Astrotrain on a desert battlefield, but the Triple-Changer escaped under fire from other Autobots. Shortly afterward, Prime used Perceptor's microscope mode to examine a fragment of Decepticon battle armor. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Triple Changers and Perceptor|Triple Changers and Perceptor commercial}}
*Optimus Prime was fighting against [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], [[Skywarp (G1)|Skywarp]], [[Cyclonus (G1)|Cyclonus]], and [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] when Kup, Hot Rod, and Blurr came to his aid. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Cyclonus, Scourge, Rodimus Prime|Hot Rod, Kup, Blurr, Cyclonus, Scourge, and Rodimus Prime commercial}}
[[File:Toycommercial-PowermasterOptimusPrime.jpg|thumb|An integral part of Powermaster Prime's transformation is Joyride shooting lightning bolts through his pointed finger.]]
*Prime was said to be off-planet when [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]] led an assault on the Autobots' launch site. Undeterred, Ultra Magnus led a counter-attack in his leader's absence. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Ultra Magnus|Ultra Magnus commercial}}
*On the rocky plains where practically every Transformer battle ever seems to happen, Prime arrived in his Powermaster body to back up three of his troops against [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]]. He combined with [[Hi-Q]] and transformed, attacking with his trailer's battle station mode. Optimus then combined with the trailer to become a "Super Powermaster" and continue the attack. Who won? Find out in [[People Power!|Marvel Comics]]! {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Powermasters|Powermasters commercial}}
[[File:OptimusQuickswitchCommercial.jpg|thumb|Optimus Prime is so giving, he even gives other Transformers time in his commercials.]]
*During a battle on the [[Moon (moon)|moon]], [[Quickswitch]] transformed into his gun mode and was wielded by Powermaster Optimus Prime against the Decepticons. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Quickswitch|Quickswitch commercial}}
*Prime, in his Powermaster body, came under attack in the darkened streets of a city. Thankfully, he was reunited with some of the greatest Transformers ever to help him! Prime welcomed back Bumblebee and Jazz in their Pretender forms, and the three were joined by [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] to take on [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]]. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Classic Pretenders|Classic Pretenders commercial}}
*Powermaster Prime and [[Piranacon (G1)|Piranacon]] were the representatives from each faction that [[Doubledealer]] doublecrossed! Everyone wondered who that guy was that Prime was talking to... He looked kinda suspicious! {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Doubledealer|Doubledealer commercial}}
*Optimus was seen surrounded by a circle of his troops, and challenged them to give up their transforming powers to become faster, stronger, more alive! {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Action Masters|Action Masters commercial}}
[[File:Hotrodpatrolcommercial.jpg|thumb|Prime wants to know if they can transform, because he sure can't!]]
*Optimus found himself carrying into battle many miniature robots and machines to the battlefield in the palm of his hand. Among these was a Micromaster city, {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Micromaster micro bases|Micromaster micro bases commercial}}, the [[Race Car Patrol]], {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Micromaster Patrols|Micromaster Patrols commercial}} and the [[Hot Rod Patrol]]. He and Jazz checked out the Hot Rod Patrol, and Optimus wondered if they could transform. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Hot Rod and Construction Patrol|Hot Rod and Construction Patrol commercial}}
*As a battle raged outside an Autobot base, Prime watched impassively as Bumblebee and Jazz pulled two [[Thunder Arrow|captured]] [[Attack Copter|vehicles]] into the base. Prime was the first to notice that the vehicles were transforming and shooting things. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Micromaster micro bases|Micromaster micro bases commercial}}
*Prime was shown driving down a road in his ''Generation 2'' colored truck mode. He rocket-launched up into the air to transform, then had a brutal fight with [[Ramjet (G1)|Ramjet]]. Despite getting a hole blasted in his chest, he won the fight and fired his gun into the air in triumph. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 2#Generation 2 comic|Generation 2 comic commercial}}
*Prime transformed and found his head in Megatron's target crosshairs. The two dueled fiercely. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 2#Megatron|Generation 2 Megatron commercial}}
*Prime delivered a load of shoes to schoolchildren in a South American ad for [[Bata]]'s licensed ''Transformers'' footwear.
*Prime got his own rap segment. He was seen in his "Combat" toy body, waiting for Megatron as he attacked a human subdivision. Prime converted to robot form, blew up Megatron's weapon at point blank range, and slugged it out with him. Apparently emerging victorious, he was next shown sitting next to an identical truck, which kid mistook for the real thing. The real Prime then transformed and picked up the kid, inspecting the human with his cold, lifeless, flashing red optics. {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 2#Combat Heroes|Combat Heroes commercial}}
*Optimus dueled Megatron atop of an overpass in a human city. Though he managed to knock Megatron's cannon loose early in the scuffle, Megatron managed to turn the tables on the Autobot leader, reattach his primary weapon, and blast his old foe. When Megatron moved in for the kill, Optimus got his second wind, and knocked Megatron clear off the overpass. {{storylink|They were always real to me.}}
*Optimus alerted both the [[Protectobot (G1)|Protectobots]] and the [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] that [[Menasor (G1)|Menasor]] was on the loose, and the Decepticon threat was "bigger than ever." {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#2015|Transformers Generations: Combiner Wars commercials}}
*"Bot Shots" Optimus Prime had many confrontations with his Megatron counterpart, crashing into each other in vehicle mode and then slugging it out in robot mode. {{storylink|Commercial#Bot Shots|Battle for the Matrix Bot Shots commercial}} {{storylink|Commercial#Bot Shots|Bot Shots Dragon Track Commercial}} One Bot Shot Optimus and Megatron belonged to neighbours, and taunted one another when their owners left for school. They both burst out of their respective houses, destroying the windows on the way out and colliding in mid-air. {{storylink|Commercial#Bot Shots|Battle for the Matrix Bot Shots commercial}}
*"Bot Shots" Optimus Prime was riding the subway peacefully when [[Scourge (Cybertron)|Scourge]] burst into the car and told the Autobot that it was "Go time!" Optimus responded with "Bring it on!" and both crashed into one another at incredible speeds! {{storylink|Commercial#Bot Shots|Bot Shots Dragon Track Commercial}}
*"Hero Mashers" Optimus Prime, Bumblebee and Grimlock took on Megatron in the middle of a busy city. Optimus came to Bumblebee's help while riding atop of Grimlock, swapping heads with his mount to bite Megatron's arm off, getting a hold of the Decepticon's jetpack at the same time. He attached both pieces to himself, and flew around for a bit before returning to the battle. He thoroughly scrambled his pieces with those of his teammates, then took down Megatron with his "dino-fist." Afterwards, the Autobots returned to their normal configurations (though it took them more than one try to do so!) {{storylink|Commercial#Hero Mashers|Hero Mashers commercial}}

*[[Peter Cullen|Optimus Prime's voice]] narrated numerous commercials, including:
**The [[Dinobot (G1)|Dinobots]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Dinobots|Dinobots commercial}}
**[[Omega Supreme (G1)|Omega Supreme]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Omega Supreme|Omega Supreme commercial}}
**[[Rubsign]]s {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Rubsign|Rubsign commercial}}
**[[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Ultra Magnus|Ultra Magnus commercial}}
**Ultra Magnus and [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Ultra Magnus and Galvatron|Ultra Magnus and Galvatron commercial}}
**[[Springer (G1)|Springer]] and [[Wreck-Gar (G1)|Wreck-Gar]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Springer and Wreck-Gar|Springer and Wreck-Gar commercial}}
**The [[Sharkticon (G1)|Sharkticons]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sharkticon|Sharkticon commercial}}
**The [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]] and [[Stunticon (G1)|Stunticons]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Aerialbots and Stunticons|Aerialbots and Stunticons commercial}}
**[[Bruticus (G1)|Bruticus]] and [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Bruticus and Metroplex|Bruticus and Metroplex commercial}}
**[[Defensor (G1)|Defensor]] and [[Trypticon (G1)|Trypticon]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Defensor and Trypticon|Defensor and Trypticon commercial}}
**[[Sky Lynx (G1)|Sky Lynx]] {{storylink|Commercial/Generation 1#Sky Lynx|Sky Lynx commercial}}

Prime also appeared in later promotional videos for Transformers events:
*Optimus got Megatron's contact information off the internet and invited the Decepticon leader to [[BotCon 2009]]. Though it took some doing, he managed to convince Megatron that the convention would be worth attending. Optimus also planned on going to BotCon, and left for the convention alongside Wheeljack, Mirage, Ironhide, Jazz and Prowl. {{storylink|BotCon 2009!}}
*Optimus grappled with Ramjet once more in a video re-visiting the "Generation 2" era of the Transformers franchise. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 - Generation 2: Redux}}
*Punch reported back to Optimus on what he had learned about the Decepticons as Counterpunch. Mainly, that they were planning on attending [[BotCon 2010]]. Optimus then turned to Teletraan I for more information about BotCon. Upon learning that special honors would be held for him at the convention, Optimus led his troops to BotCon once more. {{storylink|BotCon 2010 Promo}}
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==Games==
===Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons===
When Megatron and his Decepticons allies held captive the Autobot's [[Mini Vehicle|Minicar]] troops, Optimus Prime entered the Decepticon's maze-like base in order to rescue his friends. {{storylink|Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons|Adventure Game: Defeat the Decepticons packaging blurb and game}}

===''The Transformers'' (1985)===
Optimus Prime was among the few remaining Autobots in the wake of the Decepticon creation of ROBO-CLONING technology. With his energy-starved comrades, he desperately sought pieces of the Autobot Energon Cube before the Decepticons could get their hands on them. {{storylink|The Transformers (Commodore 64)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers: Mystery of Convoy''===

When a mysterious force killed Optimus Prime, Ultra Magnus rose as Autobot Commander in his place, and went forth to find out what killed Optimus. {{storylink|Transformers: Mystery of Convoy}}

{{note|For an alternate interpretation of these events, see ''[[To Die Game!]]''}}

===''DreamMix TV World Fighters''===
{{voiceactor|[[Tesshō Genda]] (Japanese)}}
As part of [[DreamMix TV]]'s attempt to pull in more ratings, Optimus Prime and his eternal rival Megatron were invited to battle bunches of other beings on the television show ''[[World Fighters]]''. {{storylink|DreamMix TV World Fighters}}

===''The Transformers'' (PS2)===
{{voiceactor|[[Robert Belgrade]] (English)}}
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{{storylink|The Transformers (PS2)|The Transformers}}

===''Transformers Battle Circuit''===
Optimus Prime, one of the "greatest Transformers of all time," was part of an Autobot team that participated in a tournament on Cybertron. If an Decepticon wished to claim the title of tournament champion, Optimus was the last opponent they needed to face. {{storylink|Transformers Battle Circuit}}

===''Revenge of the Fallen'' - The Game (Xbox 360/PlayStation 3/PC)===
[[File:ROTF 360PS3 PC G1OptimusPrime DLC.jpg|thumb|upright=1.1|"Freedom is the right of all downloadable beings"]]
{{voiceactor|[[Peter Cullen]] (English)}}

{{Note|On [[August 27]], [[2009]], Optimus Prime was one of a handful of downloadable characters in a DLC pack for Xbox 360 and Sony Playstation 3.}}
{{storylink|Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (Xbox 360/PS3/PC)|Revenge of the Fallen}}
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===Transformers G1: Awakening===
[[File:Gluawakening optimusprime.jpg|left|upright=0.85|thumb]]
Optimus Prime led a group of Autobots who left [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] aboard the [[Ark (G1)|Ark]], which was shot down over [[Earth]], sending them into stasis for four million years. Optimus was badly damaged in the crash, and the prognosis wasn't great, but he recovered in time to announce the Autobots had no choice but to involve the [[human]]s in their war. Following a battle at [[Dyson Dam]], Prime persuaded [[Jetfire (G1)|Jetfire]] to join the Autobot team. When the Decepticons headed through the [[space bridge]] to Cybertron, Optimus followed, only for him and his team to be ambushed and imprisoned.

He and [[Metroplex (G1)|Metroplex]] were soon rescued by [[Bumblebee (G1)|Bumblebee]] and [[Ratchet (G1)|Ratchet]] and they promptly escaped back to Earth, just in time to rescue [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] from a Decepticon hit squad. After being misled by a phony distress call, Optimus and his team had to face an assault on the Ark. They repelled the Decepticon attack, but Prime decided that the time was right to go to Cybertron and liberate the Autobots whom [[Shockwave (G1)|Shockwave]] had enslaved. The Autobots again used the space bridge to reach Cybertron, and mounted an assault of their own on the Decepticon fortress. After fighting their way through the defenses, Optimus and Bumblebee faced down Shockwave himself, defeating the Decepticon with some help from Grimlock. {{storylink|Transformers G1: Awakening}}
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===Transformers Battle Universe===
At the edge of time, when the [[Matrix of Leadership|Matrix]] needed a new host, Optimus Prime was among several warriors (and [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Prime]]s) summoned from the multiverse to battle for control of the prize. {{storylink|Transformers Battle Universe}}

===''Bot Shots Battle Game!''===
[[File:Bsbg-optimus-prime.jpg|thumb|Raise the roof!]]
Optimus participated in numerous one-on-one matches against other Autobots and Decepticons, using his fists, his sword, or his gun to defeat his opponents. Sometimes, he even faced off against himself! {{storylink|Bot Shots Battle Game!}}

===''Transformers Legends''===
Early in the war, when he was still known by the name '''Orion Pax,''' the Autobot who would one day be known as Optimus Prime was ordered by Zeta Prime to escort the Decepticon Prisoners Wrack'n'Ruin in a prisoner exchange, while accompanied by Nightbeat and Alpha Trion. As the group made their way through the [[Rust Sea#IDW Generation 1 continuity|Rust Spot]], they encounter [[Slicer (group)|Slicers]] and had to fend them off. Orion Pax and his group eventually made it to their meeting spot with the Decepticon Bludgeon, only to be ambushed by the Decepticons. In the confusion, Alpha Trion was taken prisonner, and Orion Pax set off to rescue the elderly Autobot. He and Nightbeat succeeded in returning Alpha Trion under the protective custody of Zeta Prime, but Orion was himself captured in turn. Strapped to a shuttle aimed to crash into Iacon, Orion's fate seemed uncertain. {{storylink|Orion's Gambit}}

Later, Orion Pax worked as an archivist in the [[Iacon Archives]], and was friend to Ariel and [[Dion (G1)|Dion]]. Shortly after the trio encountered a group of time-traveling [[Aerialbot (G1)|Aerialbots]], the Archives were attacked by Decepticons, and Pax and Ariel were severely injured. The Aerialbots took them to [[Alpha Trion (G1)|Alpha Trion]], who rebuilt them into Optimus Prime and Elita One respectively. {{storylink|Golden Age (Legends)|Golden Age}} The [[Matrix of Leadership]] was passed to Optimus Prime following the death of [[Sentinel Prime (G1)|Sentinel Prime]] at the hands of [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]. {{storylink|The War Within}} During the war on Cybertron, Optimus Prime came to the aid of [[Getaway]], [[Joyride (G1)|Joyride]] and [[Slapdash (G1)|Slapdash]], saving them right as the Decepticons [[Dreadwind (G1)|Dreadwind]] and [[Darkwing (G1)|Darkwing]] were on the verge of destroying them. {{storylink|End of the Road (Legends)|End of the Road}}

Optimus once considered having the unruly Dinobots shut down before they could accidentally cause damage, but they proved their worth during a sudden Decepticon attack. {{storylink|S.O.S. Dinobots (Legends)|S.O.S. Dinobots}} When the Insecticons gained enough power that they'd be able to overrun [[Earth]] in seven days, Optimus Prime was forced to negotiate an alliance with the Decepticons in order to defeat them. {{storylink|Harvest of the Insecticons}} Following the disappearance of [[Grimlock (G1)|Grimlock]] and [[Swoop (G1)|Swoop]], Optimus attempted to stop the other three Dinobots from attacking the Decepticon base, and was mauled for his trouble. The distraction at least allowed [[Wheeljack (G1)|Wheeljack]] to take a scan of the rogue Dinobots. {{storylink|Day of the Dinobots - Part 1}}

Optimus was challenged to a duel by Megatron as a distraction while the [[Constructicon (G1)|Constructicons]] attempted to strike against [[Teletraan I]]. {{storylink|Heavy Metal War - Part 1}} Concerned that the Decepticons might try to steal a new [[Energon]] related technology from a science facility, Optimus sent Blaster to infiltrate and protect the base. {{storylink|Espionage}} Optimus was impressed with [[Grapple (G1)|Grapple]] and [[Hoist (G1)|Hoist]]'s plans for a [[Solar Power Tower]], but thought it would be too difficult to defend from the Decepticons. {{storylink|The Master Builders (Legends)|The Master Builders}} Following the return of the Aerialbots from a trip to Cybertron, they told Optimus and Elita One about how they'd encountered Orion Pax and Ariel. {{storylink|Golden Age (Legends)|Golden Age}} Optimus was among the Autobots affected after Megatron sabotaged their [[recharging chamber]]. Turned evil, Optimus was sent to attack [[Rutter U.S. Military Base|Rutter Military Base]] and obtain a solar power satellite. He and the other Autobots were returned to normal by [[Sparkplug Witwicky|Sparkplug]]'s [[attitude exchanger]], and Optimus promised to repair the base. {{storylink|Attack of the Autobots (Legends)|Attack of the Autobots}}

Optimus and Wheeljack returned to Autobot HQ after an absence to find Grimlock had taken leadership. Though they failed to resist him, he soon bored with leading the Autobots and let Optimus take command again. {{storylink|Me, Grimlock, King}} Impressed with Bumblebee's success as team leader, Optimus assigned [[Pipes (G1)|Pipes]] to lead a team. {{storylink|The B-Team Part Deux}} With Optimus badly damaged and without the Matrix, the Autobots were driven off Earth and sought refuge on Cybertron. Once Optimus had recovered, he put together a team which returned to Earth and retook it from the Decepticons, with Optimus badly damaging Megatron in combat. {{storylink|All Hail Megatron (Legends)|All Hail Megatron}}

Optimus led the defenses as the Decepticons mounted a full assault on [[Autobot City (G1)|Autobot City]]. The assault proved overwhelming, and Megatron soon stood over Optimus's defeated form. {{storylink|One Shall Fall...}} Optimus passed on the [[Matrix of Leadership]] before perishing. {{storylink|The Battle for Autobot City}}

When [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus]], [[Arcee (G1)|Arcee]], and [[Spike Witwicky (G1)|Spike]] took cover within the [[Autobot Mausoleum]], retreating from an attack led by [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]], they found Optimus having risen from the dead! Rodimus returned the Matrix of Leadership to Optimus, only for Optimus to abandon his Autobots, and flee back to Cybertron. Optimus, it seems, has returned to the world of the living [[zombie|changed]]. Once on Cybertron, Optimus orders a full-scale assault on the Quintesson base. Thankfully, Optimus managed to come to his senses when his memories of being revived by the Quintessons reemerged. After returning the Matrix to Hot Rod and ordering the Autobots to retreat, sacrificed himself once more by guiding the ship he's piloting into the Quintesson's trap. {{storylink|Dark Awakening (Legends)|Dark Awakening}}

Optimus at some point reverted to the name Orion Pax and searched the galaxy to investigate a growing anomaly related to the [[Dead Universe]]. His investigation took him to an unknown planet populated by [[Mini-Con]]s. {{storylink|Dark Cybertron (Legends)|Dark Cybertron}}

===''Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark''===
{{voiceactor|[[Peter Cullen]] (English)}}

While walking through the desert one day, Optimus noticed a purple meteor passing overhead. Recognizing the meteor for [[Dark Spark|what it was]], he stated his fear that this day had come. {{storylink|Transformers: Rise of the Dark Spark (console)|Rise of the Dark Spark}}

===''Construct-Bots Builder''===
The components necessary for building "Construct-Bot" Optimus Prime were accessible within the Cybertron construction zone. Despite it being against protocol, [[you]] could mix his parts with those of Decepticons! (gasp!) {{storylink|Construct-Bots Builder}}

===''Transformers: Battle Tactics''===
Optimus Prime participated in battles against a variety of opponents, both Autobots and Decepticons. Sometimes there were many of him! He appeared in multiple different bodies:
[[File:Battle-Tactics-Optimus-Prime.jpg|thumb|400px|Team buffs are the rights of all sentient beings.]]
*''Optimus Prime'' — This Common character could be recruited by collecting 16 units of Cybermetal.
*''Orion Pax'' — This Uncommon character could be recruited by collecting 90 units of Cybermetal, and 42 units of Transmetal.
*''Optimus Prime (Voyager)'' — This Super Rare promotional character could be recruited through the space bridge for 1000 gold.
*''Laser Optimus Prime'' — This Epic character first appeared in the "Generation 2 Episode 1" event, and could be recruited by collecting 500 units of Cybermetal, 250 units of Transmetal, and 50 cores of this character.
*''Optimus M. (CW)'' — This Epic character was available as a reward in the "Optimus Maximus Awakes!" event.
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===''Transformers: Devastation''===
{{voiceactor|[[Peter Cullen]]}}
Optimus Prime led the Autobots to stop Megatron's attempt to cyberform Earth. After discovering that Megatron's new weapon was the ''[[Proudstar]]'', Optimus initially tried to preserve the Cybertronian history contained on its [[Ferrotaxis]] supercomputer. Inside the ''Proudstar'', he received a prophecy of his future death from [[Teletraan Alpha]], but he merely expressed happiness that his friends would survive. After the [[Plasma Core]] was damaged and proved to be too great a threat to Earth, Optimus reluctantly decided to destroy it and the Ferrotaxis in order to preserve humanity's right to forge their own future. When Megatron shot shot the Ferrotaxis into space in one last spiteful effort to stop the Autobots, Prime rode an Insecticon swarm into Earth's orbit for a final showdown with Megatron, ultimately forced to destroy the Ferrotaxis. Once Megatron was again defeated, Optimus called upon the Autobots to stop merely living upon Earth and adopt the planet as their new home. Later, he and Wheeljack discussed plans for the [[Optimus Maximus (G1)|Optimus Maximus]] project. {{storylink|Transformers: Devastation}}
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===''Transformers: Frontiers''===
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===''Transformers Operation Omega''===
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===''Transformers: Earth Wars''===
[[File:OptimusPrime-EarthWars.jpg|thumb|300px|Gathering resources is the right of all sentient base builders.]]
{{voiceactor|[[Peter Cullen]] (English), [[Tesshō Genda]] (Japanese)}}
;'''Optimus Prime'''
Optimus Prime needed to get to Earth via the Space Bridge, so he told Ironhide and Jetfire that he needed a [[Quantum crystal]] to power the Space Bridge and get him over to the other side. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| Autobot Campaign}}

Optimus needs to get to Earth, but is beaten to the race by Megatron, who gets his hands on a Quantum crystal. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| Decepticon Campaign}}

When the other Autobots are weary of the next Decepticon Outpost, Optimus tells them not to worry and leads them in an '''Inspiring Charge'''. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| Lost Map Campaign}}

Optimus preceded to race Megatron to see who could get all the pieces of the Fractal map. Ironhide contacts his agent, [[Sunstreaker (G1)| Sunstreaker]], on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]] in order to get some info on the Fractal map. Sunstreaker helps out in the endeavor and finally pinpoints the location of the last piece. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| Power Play }}

Optimus finally rallies all his missing troops from Cybertron to come to Earth for the final battle. Some of the bots include Grimlock, Ratchet, Blaster, Prowl, and Bumblebee. All of them attack the Outpost and claim the Artifact. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| Codex Showdown Campaign}}

After retrieving the Enigma, he then creates Superion! {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars| Combiner Wars Campaign}}

*'''Class:''' Special
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star
*'''Weapons:''' Optimus Prime fires a shot from his Ion Blaster before engaging a defense and attacking it with his energon axe.
*'''Ability: Inspiring Charge''' - Rally Autobots to engage the target, then charge in dealing damage to the target and damaging walls along the way.
**'''Cost''': 5 ability points +2 cost increase.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:optimus-prime| Optimus Prime at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]
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;'''Laser Optimus Prime'''
[[File:Laser-Optimus-Earth-Wars.jpg|thumb|300px| Now with extra Cherry and G2 goodness! ([[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#LaserOptimusPrime|No flaming trees thank heavens.]])]]
Following a battle which left him grievously wounded, Optimus Prime's entire structural integrity and circuitry processors were reprogrammed into a sleeker, stronger, combat-ready configuration. With a new giant laser-targeting rocket launcher, ripple-fire missile blaster and armor-piercing discs, Optimus was ready to immobilize Megatron once and for all.

Optimus Prime asked [[Drift (G1)|a strange Autobot]] to identify himself.
Explaining that he was pursuing [[Barricade (G1)|Barricade]] and [[Hun-Gurrr (G1)|Hun-Gurrr]] across the multiverse, Drift asked Laser Optimus Prime for help, to which Optimus] agreed.

Optimus and Drift soon found the dimension-hopping Deceptions, and Optimus recognized one of them was a [[Megatron (Armada)#Transformers: Earth Wars|Megatron]]! The Decepticons immediately teleported away, but Optimus was willing to leave his universe in order to put to rights the madness of multiple Megatrons. {{storylink|Transformers: Earth Wars/Events|Worlds Collide}}

When Laser Optimus arrived at the Autobots' base, Kup was confused that there were three Optimuses and three Megatrons. All Laser Optimus could say he was a fan favorite. As Laser Optimus and Drift prepared to confront the triumvirate of Megatrons, he declared his [[Laser Rod (weapon)|Laser Rod]] stood ready, which Arcee found annoying.

*'''Class:''' Special
*'''Lowest Star Rating:''' 2 star
*'''Weapons:''' Laser Optimus fires a disc that bounces off two buildings before attacking with his Laser Rod sword.
*'''Ability: Ricochet Mode!''' For 15 seconds, fires plasma discs dealing small damage and bouncing onto up to 4 nearby targets, each bounce dealing 20% less damage.
**'''Cost''': 11 ability points +2 cost increase.

[http://wiki.transformersearthwars.com/character:laser-optimus-prime| Laser Optimus at Transformers: Earth Wars Wiki]

===''Transformers Online'' (2016 video game)===
[[File:G1 Optimus Prime TFO.jpg|thumb|right|300px]]
{{bigquote|Freedom is the fundamental right of all living beings.}}

During the Cybertronian Civil War, Sentinel Prime was killed. Prior to his destruction, he bestowed the Matrix of Leadership to Optimus Prime, who became the new leader of the Autobots. Despite being one of the youngest Cybertronian leaders, Optimus demonstrated extraordinary courage and wisdom in the war against the Decepticons. He: treated all lives with benevolence, fought for freedom and peace, and continues to fight to protect the weak and maintain their beliefs.

In battle, G1 Optimus Prime wielded the "[[Energon-axe|Fusion Axe]]" and the "Divine" Gatling Gun. His active skill is "Heavy Fire Barrier":
*'''Heavy Fire Barrier''' — G1 Optimus Prime temporarily equips a double-barreled semi-auto machine gun that also activates a shield which protects him from frontal attacks as he dishes out damage from his firearm at max power {{storylink|Transformers Online (2016 video game)|Transformers Online}} <ref>[http://tfol.qq.com/act/a20160726data/hero9.shtml G1 Optimus Prime on the Transformers Online website]</ref>

===''Transformers: Forged to Fight''===
[[File:Optimus-Prime-Forged-to-Fight.jpg|thumb|left|300px|Beating the crap out of any of my teammates is the right of all Screen mashers..... Unfortunately this includes myself.]]
Optimus Prime and his crew crash-landed on a [[New Quintessa|mysterious planet]]. After learning about what was going on, he passed the [[Matrix of Leadership]] to the [[You|Commander]], fearing a Cybertronian would become corrupted by the Quintessons. There are at least a few of him running around! {{storylink|Transformers: Forged to Fight}}

*'''Class:''' Tactician
*'''Basic Abilities'''
**''Blocking''
***When entering the Block stance, Optimus equips an Armor Buff, reducing damage from attacks by 10-14.8% for 2.5 seconds.
***Prime's determination to protect teammates provides +9.8-13.5% armor per team member against Melee Attacks.
**''Passive:'' Armor Break effects last 1.5% longer for every hit in the Combo Meter.
**''Heavy Attacks:'' Rolling Out grants +15-24.4% Attack per team member for 7 seconds.
*'''Signature Ability: Breach''' - Optimus Prime's Critical Hits inflict Bleed when opponent's armor is broken.
*'''Special Attacks'''
**'''Special 1: Energon Chop''' - ''Optimus delivers a whirling slash with his Energon Axe to subdue his opponent.'' - 61-85% chance to '''Armor Break''', removing enemy armor and applying 16.2-20% armor reduction for 3.5 seconds. +20% Attack for 6 seconds. Additionally, +20% Attack per fallen ally in his squad.
**'''Special 2: Axed''' - ''Say goodbye to the weakest link with a few chops of sharpened Energon.'' - 61.4-85% chance to Armor Break, removing enemy armor and applying 28.3-35% armor reduction for 6 seconds.
**'''Special 3: No Matter the Cost''' - ''One shall stand, one shall fall.'' - Inflicts a permanent Armor Break, removing enemy armor and applying 35% armor reduction.
*'''Synergy Bonuses'''
**'''Enemies''' for Bludgeon and Motormaster - +1-8% Attack Rating.
**'''Enemies''' from Soundwave and Megatron - +1-8% Attack Rating.
**'''Brothers in Arms''' for Ironhide and Ratchet - (1-9% of a Power Bar over two seconds when finishing a basic Melee Combo.) +2-8% Armor for Autobots. +6-9% Melee Damage in Solo Missions.
**'''Allies''' with Grimlock - Both bots gain +1-8 Armor.
**
*'''Strong Match-ups:'''
**
*'''Weak Match-ups:'''
**Drift - Optimus Prime Armor will not prevent Drift’s Bleeds from dealing their full damage.
**Ramjet - Optimus Prime will attempt to use his Heavy Attack to Roll Out, but Ramjet will always win when it comes to vehicle-on-vehicle collision.
**Megatron (GS) - Megatron will gain Unstoppable at low health whenever knocked down. This may punish commanders that rely too much on the Autobot Leader’s Roll Out ability.
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==Toys==
{{main|Optimus Prime (G1)/toys}}

==Merchandise==
{{Main|Optimus Prime (G1)/merchandise}}

==Notes==
*According to [[Bob Budiansky]], longtime comics writer [[Denny O'Neil]] named Optimus Prime prior to Budiansky being brought on to the ''Transformers'' project. ("Optimus" is Latin for "best", therefore his name can be literally translated as "'''Best First'''".)
*Optimus Prime's Japanese name is "Convoy", which is named after his original name "Battle Convoy" in the ''[[Diaclone]]'' toyline, because the name "Optimus Prime" is difficult for Japanese kids to remember and pronounce.<ref>''[[Figure Ō]]'' No. 114</ref> All Optimus-inspired characters were called variations of Convoy in Japan up until the [[Transformers (film)|2007 ''Transformers'' film]], at which point [[TakaraTomy]] changed their minds and began using the name Optimus Prime as well. Presumably to avoid confusion, this change includes the Generation 1 version of the character as well, who is now called Optimus Prime in newer products and fiction such as ''[[Transformers United]]'' and ''[[Transformers: All Spark]]'', though his name remains Convoy in material aimed at adult collectors such as ''[[Transformers: Alternity|Alternity]]'' and ''[[The Transformers: Masterpiece|Masterpiece]]''.
*"Orion Pax" is composed of "Orion", the huntsman from Greek mythology, and the Latin word "pax", meaning "peace". The original cartoon design for him appears to [[:File:UltraMagnus-FloroDery3rdConcept-OrionPax.jpg|be based on an early Ultra Magnus concept]].
*According to an early ''[[The Transformers Universe|Universe]]''-style profile published in ''[[The Transformers Comics Magazine]]'', Optimus Prime's "official" nicknames were at one point considered to be "Autobot Commander", "Chief", "Big Boss" and "Roller". As far as it is known, no piece of fiction has ever purposely addressed him using these nicknames, though it's a fair bet he's been called "chief" at least once or twice anyway. And technically ''part'' of him is called "[[Roller (G1)|Roller]]" with some frequency.
*Optimus Prime has fictionally shown a dislike of certain kinds of music and dance. For the [[Marvel Comics continuity]], the [[Letters page (Marvel UK)|letters page]] for [[Still Life!|issue 324]] mentions he hates the music of [[Mötley Crüe]]. In the cartoon continuity, "[[Blaster Blues]]" and "[[Quest for Survival]]" have Optimus react noticeably more passive-aggressively to Blaster's choice of music than the other Autobots. And in the [[Dreamwave Generation One continuity]], ''[[Transformers: Hardwired|Hardwired]]'' features an uncalled for negative remark about Jazz's dance skills.
*According to the staff of ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Wars]]'', Optimus Prime became a space explorer in the [[Beast Era]].<ref>Page 37, Guest Character and ''G1'' Icons, ''[[Beast Wars Universe]]'' ISBN 978-4766938005</ref>
*Writer [[Bob Skir]] claims that neither the statue from "[[Fires of the Past]]" nor the golden disks in its hands were mentioned in the script. However, he suggested that they were either the [[Golden Disk (Voyager)|disks]] from the Voyager 1 and Voyager 2 probes, or that Optimus won them in the 2,395,989th Annual Cybertronian spelling bee.<ref>[http://web.archive.org/web/20080614012630/http://bigbot.com/beast-machines-transformers-bob-skir/Beast-Machines-FAQ/Tue_12_Oct_1999.html Q&A from Bigbot's "bobskir.com"] (archive copy)</ref> We're betting on the latter.
[[File:Optimusprime-mom.jpg|125px|thumb|Prime's mom knows how to write in cursive.]]
*By the time Optimus Prime appeared in ''[[Beast Machines: Transformers (cartoon)|Beast Machines]]'', his 3D model from ''Beast Wars'' had apparently been lost, leading the animators to use a faceplated Optimus Primal head as a quick replacement to save time and budget.
*Aside from occasionally having Alpha Trion as a father figure, Optimus Prime may have a mother! In an advertisement for [[Pepsi Convoy]] that shows him in a refrigerator (along with [[Destron Pizza]]), a note attached to a nearby piece of Tupperware reads:

:''Dear Convoy''
:''Warm it before you eat''
:''Mom''

:Although the ad itself is for Pepsi Convoy, he is a separate character, and it can be assumed that the note was left for Convoy/Optimus Prime himself.

*The first wave of Dreamwave posters in 2001 identified Optimus Prime as [http://web.archive.org/web/20041220175419/http://www.comicden.com/merch/posters.htm "Captimus Primus"], which is tantalizingly close to making some sort of sense.
[[File:Cyb-WiseElders.jpg|upright=0.85|thumb|]]
*The character model of G1 Optimus Prime makes a cameo appearance, along with the original [[Ultra Magnus (G1)|Ultra Magnus]], [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], and [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]], as one of the four elders who began the [[space bridge]] project in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)|Cybertron]]'' episode "[[Balance]]".
*As noted on [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=74382 this thread here], Optimus Prime made a surprising (and somewhat awkward) cameo in the [[Calendar|January]] [[2009]] issue of "P.S.: The Preventive Maintenance Monthly" (#674), a monthly magazine issued by the [[United States Army]] that discusses issues in regards to equipment maintenance (scan included in thread; look for post #5).
*Prior to the third closed beta update, G1 Optimus Prime was his own character in Transformers Online (2017) with the following bio:
:"During the Cybertronian Civil War, Sentinel Prime was killed. Prior to his destruction, he bestowed the Matrix of Leadership to Optimus Prime, who became the new leader of the Autobots. Despite being one of the youngest Cybertronian leaders, Optimus demonstrated extraordinary courage and wisdom in the war against the Decepticons. He: treated all lives with benevolence, fought for freedom and peace, and continues to fight to protect the weak and maintain their beliefs.
:In battle, G1 Optimus Prime wielded the "[[Energon-axe|Fusion Axe]]" and the "[[Divine]]" Gatling gun. His active skill was "Heavy Fire Barrier":
::'''Heavy Fire Barrier''' — G1 Optimus Prime temporarily equips a double barreled semi auto machine gun that also activates a shield which protects him from frontal attacks as he dishes out damage from his firearm at max power {{storylink|Transformers Online (2017 video game)|Transformers Online}} <ref>[http://tfol.qq.com/act/a20160726data/hero9.shtml G1 Optimus Prime on the Transformers Online website]</ref>"

===Foreign names===
*''Japanese:'' '''Convoy''' (コンボイ ''Konboi''), '''Orion Pax''' (オライオン・パックス ''Oraion Pakkusu''), '''Star Convoy''' (スターコンボイ ''Sutā Konboi''), '''Battle Convoy''' (Laser Optimus Prime, バトルコンボイ ''Batoru Konboi''), '''Super Convoy''' (Nucleon Quest, スーパーコンボイ ''Sūpā Konboi''), '''Optimus Prime''' (オプティマスプライム ''Oputimasu Puraimu'')
*''Armenian:'' '''Optimus Prime''' (Օպտիմուս Փրայմ ''O'ptimows P'raym''; Օպտիմուս Պրայմ ''O'ptimows Praym'')
*''Cantonese:'' '''O Baak Man''' (Hong Kong, 柯柏文)
*''Czech:'' '''Optimus Primus'''
*''Danish:'' '''Primus Optimus''' (first cartoon dub), '''Optimus Prime''' (all other media)
*''French:'' '''Optimus Prime''', '''Optimus Primus''' (Canada)
*''Hebrew:'' '''Optimus Prime''' (אופטימוס פריים ''Awpjimws Priim'')
*''Hungarian:'' '''Optimusz Fővezér''', '''Optimusz Prájm''' ("Optimus Chief")
*''Italian:'' '''Commander'''
*''Mandarin:'' '''Chìh-tsūn''' (Taiwan, 至尊, "Prime"), '''Orion Pax''' (Taiwan, 奧萊安派斯 ''Àoláiān P'àissu''), '''Qíng Tiān Zhù''' (China, 擎天柱, "Pillar that Supports the Sky")
*''Portuguese:'' '''Optimus Supremo''' (Portugal comics, "Optimus Supreme"), '''Líder Optimus''' (Brazil cartoon, "Leader Optimus"), '''Supremus Absolutus''' (Brazil comic)
*''Russian:'' '''Optimus Prime''' (Оптимус Прайм ''Optimus Prajm''), '''Orion Peaceful''' (Орион Мирный ''Orion Mirnyy'')
*''Serbian:'' '''Optimus Prime''' (Оптимус Прајм ''Optimus Prajm'')
*''Taiwanese:'' '''Bô-ti̍k Thīh-gû''' (無敵鐵牛, "Invincible Iron Ox")
*''Ukrainian:'' '''Optimus Najkrashchiy''' (Оптимус Найкращий, "Optimus the Best"), '''Optimus Prime''' (''The Movie'', Оптимус Прайм)

==Footnotes==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Action Masters]]
[[Category:Alternity Autobots]]
[[Category:Armada Autobots]]
[[Category:Autobot leaders]]
[[Category:Beast Machines Autobots]]
[[Category:Beast Wars Autobots]]
[[Category:Beast Wars: Uprising Autobots]]
[[Category:Cloud Autobots]]
[[Category:Combiners]]
[[Category:Convoys]]
[[Category:Dimension hoppers]]
[[Category:Dreamwave Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 1 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Autobots]]
[[Category:Generation 2 Go-Bots]]
[[Category:Ghosts]]
[[Category:Gladiators]]
[[Category:GT characters]]
[[Category:Hall of Fame characters]]
[[Category:Henkei! Henkei! Autobots]]
[[Category:Matrix bearers]]
[[Category:Multi-component Transformers]]
[[Category:Powermasters]]
[[Category:Primes]]
[[Category:Revenge of the Fallen Autobots]]
[[Category:Rulers of Cybertron]]
[[Category:Transformers with three modes]]
[[Category:TransTech Autobots]]
[[Category:United Autobots]]
[[Category:Zombies]]

Talk:Atlantis, Arise!

2018-09-05T23:58:01Z

Waverod: /* GPS did exist... */ new section

Talk:Shortpacking

2018-09-03T23:21:25Z

Waverod: /* Why is it shortpacked? */

Yar, I propose this article be moved to '''Shortpackery''', to better reflect the devilish nature o' the practice. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:WE concur! [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Why is it shortpacked?==
Is it intentional?--[[User:Cyberman|Cyberman]] 03:07, 21 December 2010 (EST)
:I know this is an old comment, but someone else may have this question. Basically, yes. There are a few factors determining why it happens. Sometimes, Hasbro's projections of which toys will be popular get reflected in how they pack the case: Favoritebot will have more toys than Pariahcon. Sometimes, too, it may reflect who has had toys recently, either in another wave or another line. Finally, there's sheer math involved too: if the case holds eight toys, and there are three characters in the release, there's simply no way to pack the same number of each character.

:Shortpacking is not the issue if some items get held back by the receiving crew at the store, or get taken out some other way before hitting the shelves. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 19:20, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

== Examples? ==

So, we have a heading for Examples, but the last two attempts to add examples (that I can see from a quick browse of the history) have both been reverted. So... do we want examples here, or not? If so, what are the criteria for adding them? If not, should we go ahead and delete the heading? -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 13:39, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
: Your most recent example, RTS Windcharger, isn't shortpacked. He's packed in equal numbers with the other toys in that wave. He's just more sought-after. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
::And the previous one (ROTF Skystalker) was quite common around my area when it came out, it didn't seem to be more or less common than others in the same wave. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:45, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Yeah, I don't think he was shortpacked either. This isn't just a list of "stuff I couldn't find." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:48, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:: Really? My mistake. I was under the impression that Windcharger was packed two-to-a-case in a case that was otherwise filled with older figures, which is the definition given here, and which was part of the reason BBTS was charging so much for him. But then, I guess if all those other figures were also two-to-a-case, then technically he wasn't any more shortpacked than they were.... -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 17:25, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Yeah, an important part of the definition is that there's *less* than him than the other guys in the case, not just how many there are of him in the case. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:03, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Chase figure ==

Why is [[Chase figure]] a separate article? It seems to have basically the same definition. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 12:53, 2 March 2013 (EST)

:A chase figure is generally part of a blind-packed assortment, a promotion. A shortpacked figure is just a logistics failure.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:39, 2 March 2013 (EST)
::Ah, I see. And I stupidly didn't notice the section comparing them, too... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 16:03, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Talk:Shortpacking

2018-09-03T23:20:59Z

Waverod: /* Why is it shortpacked? */

Yar, I propose this article be moved to '''Shortpackery''', to better reflect the devilish nature o' the practice. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:26, 3 April 2007 (UTC)

:WE concur! [[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 16:10, 21 May 2007 (UTC)

==Why is it shortpacked?==
Is it intentional?--[[User:Cyberman|Cyberman]] 03:07, 21 December 2010 (EST)
:I know this is an old comment, but someone else may have this question. Basically, yes. There are a few factors determining why it happens. Sometimes, Hasbro's projections of which toys will be popular get reflected in how they pack the case: Favoritebot will have more toys than Pariahcon. Sometimes, too, it may reflect who has had toys recently, either in another wave or another line. Finally, there's sheer math involved too: if the case holds eight toys, and there are three characters in the release, there's simply no way to pack the same number of each character.

Shortpacking is not the issue if some items get held back by the receiving crew at the store, or get taken out some other way before hitting the shelves. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 19:20, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

== Examples? ==

So, we have a heading for Examples, but the last two attempts to add examples (that I can see from a quick browse of the history) have both been reverted. So... do we want examples here, or not? If so, what are the criteria for adding them? If not, should we go ahead and delete the heading? -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 13:39, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
: Your most recent example, RTS Windcharger, isn't shortpacked. He's packed in equal numbers with the other toys in that wave. He's just more sought-after. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:43, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
::And the previous one (ROTF Skystalker) was quite common around my area when it came out, it didn't seem to be more or less common than others in the same wave. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:45, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Yeah, I don't think he was shortpacked either. This isn't just a list of "stuff I couldn't find." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 13:48, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
:: Really? My mistake. I was under the impression that Windcharger was packed two-to-a-case in a case that was otherwise filled with older figures, which is the definition given here, and which was part of the reason BBTS was charging so much for him. But then, I guess if all those other figures were also two-to-a-case, then technically he wasn't any more shortpacked than they were.... -- [[User:Servitor 2152|Servitor 2152]] 17:25, 30 May 2011 (EDT)
::: Yeah, an important part of the definition is that there's *less* than him than the other guys in the case, not just how many there are of him in the case. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:03, 30 May 2011 (EDT)

== Chase figure ==

Why is [[Chase figure]] a separate article? It seems to have basically the same definition. --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 12:53, 2 March 2013 (EST)

:A chase figure is generally part of a blind-packed assortment, a promotion. A shortpacked figure is just a logistics failure.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 14:39, 2 March 2013 (EST)
::Ah, I see. And I stupidly didn't notice the section comparing them, too... --[[User:Flicky1991|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991|1991]] 16:03, 2 March 2013 (EST)

Talk:Abbreviations

2018-09-03T22:00:09Z

Waverod: /* GTS */ new section

i hope i'm not overstepping bounds creating this page, but sometimes i see TF abbreviations (including on various pages of TFWiki) and i don't know what they mean, or they don't make sense because i know they mean something else. i've been thinking about a page like this for quite a while, and i couldn't sleep, so i finally decided to start it (i'm sure i'm missing plenty). i hope others will add to it as needed.

i wanted it to be http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:Acronyms but i couldn't figure out how to make it a chart like http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:Shattered_Glass_Decepticons or http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Category:Computers ,so i guess it wound up less of a category and more of a list like http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Popular_Earth_vehicle_alternate_modes

[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 06:40, 18 November 2013 (EST)
:Seems like a good idea to me. For too long I've wanted to see a page explaining what "CHUG" is. This does it one better, I think. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 07:36, 18 November 2013 (EST)
::I'm generally in favor of it, although I think it might need some TLC to get to Wiki standards. (I eagerly await the relevant image captions - "OMG WTF RTS BB?!") [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 10:41, 18 November 2013 (EST)
:::I really don't see the need for acronyms that already exist as page titles or redirects on this site to be listed here. Anyone who is confused by these abbreviations is already be able to locate their meaning, simply by using the search function. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:09, 22 November 2013 (EST)

== Thanks! / Help! ==

Thanks to everyone who approves of and/or assists with the "Acronyms" page!

i was mainly thinking of acronyms when i created this page, but i've also seen (and occasionally misunderstood) abbreviations which are not acronyms. Should this page include non-acronym abbreviations? Such as:
*Alt (which i've seen refer to [[Alternators]] or [[altmodes]], but not [[Alternity]])
*Arm (which i've seen refer to [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)]] but not [[Cyclonus%27s Armada]])
*Cyb (which i've seen refer to [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)]] but not planet or the faction)

Back on the subject of acronyms...

i can't remember if "OP" sometimes means "original packaging", or if i made that up.

Does "SS" ever refer to Sunstorm or Slipstream? i feel like i'm forgetting uses of SS that i've seen...

Other acronyms i remember seeing but can't remember the meaning:
*GT
*GTS
*RTS (@hx)
*TOC (@M Sipher)

i would prefer to list FIBRIR, FIRRIB, RIBFIR, and RIRFIB separately instead of in pairs; anyone who sees one of those acronyms and fails to recognize it won't know to look up the counterpart.

Do people prefer, for example, [[Optimus Prime]] or [[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)]]?

Opinions about capitalization variants (such as MTMTE or MtMtE, TRoOP or TROOP, WFC or WfC)? List them all, or just the most commonly used, or any of them as long as it includes all the right letters in the right order?

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:11, 21 November 2013 (EST)
:Okay, I had a look at the page and I've reorganised it into three columns rather than just one as it was a bit, er, long and thin. For consistency I've changed all the links to disambig pages to the format <nowiki>[[Optimus Prime (disambiguation)|Optimus Prime]]</nowiki>. Added a couple of fictional acronyms too. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 05:08, 21 November 2013 (EST)
::Sorry, but that both looks awful, and is nigh-useless for jumping right to a letter. "collist" will NOT keep the bullet points under the subheaders. It turns a long thin page into a jumbled morass of broken flow. We can put pictures on the right to break up the whitespace.

::Reveal the Shield. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 17:43, 21 November 2013 (EST)
:::[bangs head on wall] i knew that. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 20:54, 22 November 2013 (EST)
CHUGGEURTS "sometimes used to describe toys repurposed as characters from said continuity, official or otherwise"? like who? Not that i doubt the claim, i just can't think of any examples.
--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 20:54, 22 November 2013 (EST)

Is it appropriate to list [[GEEWUN]] as a definition of the abbreviation G1? i thought the point of spelling GEEWUN differently was to, um, differentiate it from [[G1]] as a whole. --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 20:56, 22 November 2013 (EST)

Just a couple of things I want to comment on.
*Do you think it is necessary to include things that don't actually stand for anything, like [[BB]], EZ Collection, KB Toys, 3H, and various Arms Microns?
*I don't think "FARTS" is an actual acronym.
*What is a GoBox? - [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 11:06, 23 November 2013 (EST)
:FARTS wasn't used in-universe, was it? Does it count? (Mind you, lots of things on this page aren't acronyms. NEST, HOPE, and NAIL are acronyms, CNA, GTS, and RPM are not. Also has anyone ever used FuP for Fun Pub? This is the first time I've seen it anywhere.) GoBoxes are the boxes on the left hand side of TFWiki pages with "Go!" in them, though the only place I've seen them abbreviated GB is in image file names. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 19:06, 24 November 2013 (EST)
::My intention for this page was a "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" kind of thing. Sometimes i see an acronym or abbreviation, think "What the heck does that mean?" ...Sometimes i can puzzle it out, or track down the answer, but sometimes not. Sometimes i forget even ones that i know. (See RTS, above--despite my having already defined CHUGGERTS.) Sometimes i find out that it isn't actually an abbreviation, even though it looks like one. So i hoped this page would be like a master answer key, so yes, i'm inclined to include BB, EZC, etc. Also abbreviations like Alt, Arm, Cyb, and such, but the page is called [[Acronyms]]... How do people feel about changing it to [[Abbreviations]]? (And how does one go about changing a page name anyway?) How do people feel about "Acronym", "Abbreviation", and [[Abbreviations]] redirecting to [[Acronyms]]?
::How are CNA and RPM not acronyms? (i still don't know what GT or GTS means.)
::If i remember correctly, i once saw a GoBox showing some [[Super deformed]] Transformers, and i wanted more information on the comic strip that used that artwork, but the GoBox itself actually linked to the [[character]] shown in the picture. i thought GB was an abbreviation for the name of the comic, but--surprise surprise--none of my searches for anything related to GB got me the results i wanted. Eventually i figured out that the GB in the file name actually referred to the GoBox and had nothing to do with the comic. That's why i put GoBox on the list, to save others from similar fruitless searches.
::FARTS wasn't canon? i don't think i knew that. Heard it was an accident, but i assumed it was canonized when they added BUTT and... i forget, i thought there was another one.
::Slightly on-topic: What does the G.I. in [[G.I. Joe]] mean?
::--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:18, 25 November 2013 (EST)
:::Acronyms spell out a word that is pronounced. NEST is an acronym because it is pronounced "nest." CNA is considered a different kind of abbreviation called an initialism because you say each individual letter "c-n-a." I don't think G.I. Joe stands for anything in fiction. In the real world it was a slang term and G.I. stood for Government Issue. I seem to recall the movie Rise of Cobra made the whole term G.I. JOE some kind of goofy acronym, but I don't remember what it is. - [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 08:45, 25 November 2013 (EST)
::::It's like, "Global Initiative Joint Operations Extravaganza" or some such nonsense. But it isn't in any continuity that's interacted with the Transformers, so it isn't for our purposes. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] ([[User talk:Hooper X|talk]]) 10:12, 25 November 2013 (EST)
:::I'd be in favour of moving it to "Abbreviations", as a more accurate title. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:56, 28 November 2013 (EST)
::::I think Abbreviations is a better term. On the subject of FARTS, this page already covers fan terminology and I'm sure it's been used in that context - and it would be a shame have BUTT without FARTS. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 15:25, 28 November 2013 (EST)
:::::If everyone agrees, let's move it to "Abbreviations". --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 16:47, 8 December 2013 (EST)
::::::I don't know, if the article were called abbreviations, that would break the scope of the article wide open, wouldn't it? How many abbreviations are there? Would people want to add "Quints" as an abbreviation of "Quintessons"? Just a thought. - [[User:Gimmick|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick|talk]]) 19:02, 8 December 2013 (EST)
:::::::Yet, a good majority of what's on this page aren't acronyms, but abbreviations. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:30, 8 December 2013 (EST)
::::::::Repeating my previous post from the above section: "I really don't see the need for acronyms that already exist as page titles or redirects on this site to be listed here. Anyone who is confused by these abbreviations is already be able to locate their meaning, simply by using the search function." Does anyone really think someone would come to the wiki and search for a page of acronyms/abbreviations to find out what FARTS or 3H means when they could just search for those exact terms? While there may be a need for a glossary of acronyms, abbreviations and fan terms; this current page is filled with unnecessary bloat. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:30, 9 December 2013 (EST)
:::::::::By that measure, so is every disambiguation page - after all, a user can simply search for anything that's on a disambig, so why bother including those links?
:::::::::With relation to the page title, Wikipedia lists "Initialisms" and "Alphabetisms" as terms for things like AHM or ATT where it's not an acronym because the letters don't make a new word. Personally I find both of them kind of obnoxious and unwieldy as opposed to simply "Abbreviations" --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)
::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)
:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)
::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)
*i want to thank Emvee for adding [[PARD]], which i only know about because of its presence on the mis-named (sorry) [[Acronyms]] page. The notion of a [[Shattered Glass]] [[PARD]] amuses me.
*That said, i think i agree with Khajidha. It seems counterintuitive to me to deliberately ''leave out'' any "Initialisms" or "Alphabetisms" or acronyms, and i ''was'' leaning towards expanding the list to include other types of abbreviations like the aforementioned Alt, Arm, Cyb, Quint, etc., but maybe redirects would be more effective... in most cases. Some abbreviations may call for multiple redirect pages (such as [[MTMTE]] and "MtMtE", or [[B.A.T.]], "BAT", "b.a.t.", etc.). Some abbreviations might warrant their own disambiguation pages, such as [[Acronyms#A|AM]]. However, what about abbreviations which might confuse TFWiki readers, but do not have TFWiki pages because the terms are not exclusive to Transformers? Examples that come to mind are [[Acronyms#O|OAV/OVA]], [[Acronyms#R|RPG]], [[STD Convoy|STD]], and [[Acronyms#T|TPB]]. Also A.R.T.S., which i just discovered tonight on the pages for [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]].
*Slightly on-topic: Is there a reason why, for example, [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) | Optimus Prime ] ] is preferable to [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] or [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] ? Originally i preferred the third option for items on this page, but then i thought the second option might be better, but the consensus seems to be for the first option, and i'm curious why. Does linking to a redirect increase wear and tear on computers or something? [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] is easier to type than [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) | Optimus Prime ] ] and seems to yield the same results, while [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] is in between as far as difficulty to type but comes out ahead in terms of informing the user where the link will go.
*Slightly more on-topic: ''If'' the decision is to move the page from [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], how is that done?
*--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2013 (EST)

== GTS ==

While I don't have anything to back up its use as such in Transformers, GTS in the auto industry is generally taken to mean "grand tourer sport", referring to a car that has the comfort of a grand touring car for long drives and the performance expected out of a sports car. This seems at least plausible for its use here, too, but without any sources I wanted to mention it here first. [[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 18:00, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Generation 1 reissues

2018-09-03T12:37:21Z

Waverod: Discussion of reissues?

Should there be discussion of reissues in general (why, how, etc.) either here or on another page? --[[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 08:37, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Talk:Design flaw

2018-09-03T02:20:04Z

Waverod: /* Pics needed */

What was the cause for Binaltech Prowl's side mirrors being prone to beaking off again? Clear plastic? Bad glue?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 10:58, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Eventually, if more people confirm it (besides LV and myself), PCC Mudslinger's thighs are REALLY flimsy and probably worth mentioning. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 11:28, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

== Manufacturing error ==

There's a dead link in this article. What is a manufacturing error and how is it different from a [[misassembly]] (which supposedly is something different), and from a design flaw as well?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:12, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
:Misassembly is putting things together wrongly, a design flaw is inherent in the mold, and a manufacturing error is an accidental malformation of the product. If an insufficient amount of plastic enters the mold, leaving a shriveled stump of a part, that would be a manufacturing error. Usually such substandard parts would be discarded, but occasionally one sneaks through. Hope this helps. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:35, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
::So that would be something that's discussed under [[quality control]], right? Just trying to figure out if there's atually a purpose for a separate "manufacturing error" article, or if the links could point to existing articles instead.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 09:44, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
:::Yeah, that would be where I would direct it. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:49, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
::::Where does [[Airazor (Armada)|Airazor]]'s accidental mold-modification to include a Decepticon symbol fall in this spectrum? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:47, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

==BW Drill Bit==
This is a classic. The pegs that are supposed to connect the critter legs to the inside of the critter shell in beast mode were designed backwards. So they don't peg into anything. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 21:25, 19 September 2010 (EDT)
:Is that a [[misassembly]] or a design flaw?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 16:23, 14 October 2010 (EDT)
::[[Drill_Bit_%28BW%29#Beast_Wars|Design flaw]]; the pegs don't point ''backward'' so much as ''in the completely wrong direction''. It's a big flaw, too, as the misdirected pegs interfere with transformation. --[[User:Salt-Man Z|Salt-Man Z]] 16:56, 25 July 2011 (EDT)
::Also that lying Hasbro liar at BC97 totally lied and said there was nothing wrong with him and I was transforming him wrong! I'm pretty sure being told "you can't figure out Drill Bit" is one of the most insulting things you can say to a man. -[[User:LV|LV]] 18:55, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

== ROTF Leader Prime? ==

"Parts have to be moved out of the way to move other parts as intended" isn't quite the problem the other toys have. The problem is "parts cannot possibly be moved as intended due to other parts being permanently in the way".--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:39, 1 October 2011 (EDT)

== Pics needed ==

Should we put "pics needed" for some examples to show readers? --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 02:11, 22 February 2012 (EST)
:I know this is an old comment, but... except in very egregious cases (which ought to have been caught by anyone remotely competent at the prototype stage), you can't really tell a lot of these from a picture. If you're not familiar with a toy, it's far from obvious that one part is fragile or blocked.--[[User:Cosmos1|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 22:20, 2 September 2018 (EDT)

== Transmetal 2 Megatron ==

Has anyone else had the swivel joints in TM2 Megs' legs break apart? It seems like the joint is too tight and the plastic too thin. I could include a pic later. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 15:04, 31 January 2013 (EST)

== can't sit ==

i can't pose my [[Cheetor_(BW)/toys#Beast_Wars|BW Cheetor]], [[:File:Supercon_ArmadaPrime.jpg|Armada Super-Con Optimus]], or [[:File:Generationstoy-T30-LegendsMegatronChopShop.jpg|Generations: Thrilling 30 Legends Class Megatron]] so they're sitting down. The front of Cheetor's robot mode thighs are too bulgy, and Optimus and Megatron look like they might be able to sit down if not for the [[Wikipedia:Greeble|greeble-like]] ornamentation on the front of their thighs. Anyone else have this problem? ("Anyone else" referring to TransFans or Transformers.) Is this problem considered a design flaw? Should this type of design flaw be noted in this article? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 01:03, 19 April 2015 (EDT)
:Why would that be a design flaw? --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 01:32, 19 April 2015 (EDT)

Talk:Brainstorm (G1)

2017-11-12T23:37:25Z

Waverod: /* Cow jokes? */ new section

While I appreciate the recognition that the Japanese version of Brainstorm is rather different than the version in the first-paragraph summary, the summary is also significantly different (aside from the mention of Arcana) from any ''other'' non-IDW version. --[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 14:44, 3 January 2014 (EST)
::I agree. The dodgy and amoral stuff is strictly IDW when it comes to Brainstorm.--[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 14:59, 3 January 2014 (EST)
:::Yeah, I'll put my hands up here, I probably did go a little overboard when I updated that intro. Feel free to go hack'n'slash on it. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 17:35, 3 January 2014 (EST)

== Dead Universe / Constructed Cold ==

Okay, I need some help on this before trying to update Brainstorm through ''[[Dark Cybertron]]''. In [[Remain in Light 1 of 5: The Fecund Moon|MTMTE #17]], Brainstorm indicated he was Forged, and "marched for knockoffs". In [[Remain in Light 5 of 5: This Calamitous Life|#21]], though, he seemed to be suffering the effects of the universal killswitch, meaning he was REALLY Constructed Cold and misrepresenting himself. But ''Dark Cybertron'' confirmed Brainstorm HAD NO spark since the launch of the ''Lost Light'' thanks to the Dead Universe. So how could he be affected by the killswitch? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 12:42, 23 May 2014 (EDT)
:Nova's corpse didn't render Brainstorm completely sparkless, it just left his spark in a low yield, "undead" state (I think Roberts confirmed this on Twitter sometime). And so the killswitch could still affect him, in the same way that you can "kill" a zombie, even though it's undead. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 13:14, 23 May 2014 (EDT)

== Equal Rights for Knockoffs ==

"Early in the war, Genitus went on anti-apartheid marches. While his "equal rights for knockoffs!" talk made him sound like he was a forged Transformer." Wait-a-minute. Was there even an apartheid at the time the war started? Brainstorm may be making stuff up to hide his status. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 03:19, 3 May 2015 (EDT)
:"Forged or Constructed Cold?" was an outdated question when Megatron was arrested in Rodion and he was allowed to ignore it, which implies that the apartheid was at least officially over by that point. There's nothing to say that it didn't flare up again during the war, but it does look to me like Brainstorm is telling porkies there. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 04:18, 3 May 2015 (EDT)

== First modern headmaster? ==

I can see why Overload isn't counted but why isn't Energon Omega Supreme the first modern headmaster?[[User:Omegatron|omegatron]] ([[User talk:Omegatron|talk]]) 17:34, 7 May 2015 (EDT)
:Given Overload has been specifically identified as using Headmaster technology, I'm not sure I can see justification for the former. He's also not the first modern toy of a Headmaster ''character'', since we've had Weirdwolf and Hardhead. "First modern toy of a G1 Headmaster character which retains the Headmaster gimmick" is more accurate, but it sure makes it sound less noteworthy spelled out like that, doesn't it. -[[User:LV|LV]] ([[User talk:LV|talk]]) 23:33, 7 May 2015 (EDT)

== Old Ways? ==

Why does "Old Ways" have to be a continuity error? TMK, we don't know when the first MTOs were activated during the war. They could have been thawed under the reign of Zeta Prime, making Genitus an early soldier before transferring to the New Institute. I don't think Prime was called "Optimus Prime" in Old Ways, so he could've still been Orion Pax during that exchange with Kup, setting it in Zeta's era (the length of which we don't know). --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:01, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
:Its explicitly stated that without Megatron, he wouldn't have existed, so he was likely brought online in the war. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:05, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
::...And how does that prevent him from appearing in Old Ways? There was a war, with Megatron, by the end of Sentinel Prime's era. Why can't Brainstorm be an MTO, created for the war, in Zeta Prime's era? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:12, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
:::MTOs are pretty clearly a later-in-the-war innovation; the whole concept of them is that they're a drastic response to an escalating conflict that has reached a point where so many 'bots are dying so frequently they had to start "breeding" new ones specifically to be soldiers. I was a little puzzled by the timeline myself, though, wondering how Brainstorm being an MTO lined up with his working at the New Insitute, a Zeta innovation, so I asked Roberts about it on Twitter early last year, and he confirmed MTOs were not a Zeta creation. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:18, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
::::So certain information indicates that Brainstorm HAS to be active in Zeta's era, and certain OTHER information indicates Brainstorm CAN'T have been active in Zeta's era. And some of the conflicting info comes from the same author. Groovy.
::::...I'd still say leave it as it was, though. The conflict only comes from author intent and assumptions about when MTOs started. Without that, what occurred on the page DOES make sense. I appreciate going to the source sometimes, but this time it seems like Roberts' comment only made the timeline worse. Maybe addressing this problem in the Notes instead? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 16:26, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
:::::No, there's no conflicting info in Roberts's stories, the New Institute just persisted well beyond Zeta's death. The only conflicting info is from "Old Ways," which is ''already'' in conflict with things like Autocracy and which were already basically finagling into the timeline already. It's just another case of "Straxus in Megatron Origin" where we help nothing by pretending it's not an error. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 16:32, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
::::::That doesn't make sense, either. The Institute (New or old) is an anathema to everything Optimus Prime believes. There's no way he would leave it open after he became Prime, or under the [[Grand Convocation]]. Chromedome says as much in ''[[Remembrance Day]]'' that they were operating behind the back of ''Orion Pax''. He also says several things indicating Zeta was overseeing him and the New Institute at the time of Overlord's attack, when Brainstorm is seen there. That scene couldn't have been post-Zeta. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:10, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
:::::::Not untrue. I mean, I always assumed that if the New Institute persisted under Optimus, it did so without his knowledge. I suppose it just seems... just... ''wrong'' to think that the war had reached this kind of a point under Zeta. When they talk about it it never sounds like it was anything more than a scattered insurgency that Zeta put a police force together to combat, not turning into a full-blown WAR until Zeta died and Optimus Prime took charge. The idea that the war was at some kind of level that involved discrete regional campaigns and battles so big they were named, and required soldiers to be bred for combat because they were dying so fast... under ''Zeta''? ''That'' early? Before the war reached it's famous height? It just rings wrong. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:21, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
::::::::I agree. My personal headcanon is that Roberts wrote himself into a corner resolving Nautica and Brainstorm's conflict, and made Brainy an MTO without considering all the consequences. Constructed Cold, sure, but an MTO? I get Brainstorm trying to bluff that he was forged (#17), but I don't see how he could realistically pretend to have been anti-apartheid and "marched for knockoffs" millions of years and several Primes before he was thawed. But I digress. Mostly, I just don't like the Wiki choosing which aspect of Brainstorm's history is the erroneous one. Obviously, the years-old, unpopular series written by a former writer that has existing conflicts is a solid choice. But is it on us to say that, anymore than it is to choose a cartoon origin for the Constructicons? --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 17:52, 17 March 2016 (EDT)
:::::::::Yeah, I tend to agree the MTO explanation was not part of the character as he was originally writing him. I know it's not our place to dictate canon, per se, but some of these things do have more weight than others. The Constructicons, that's three separate episodes saying three separate things, for instance, no one more weighty than the other (well, "The Secret of Omega Supreme" IS corroborated to an extent by "The Master Builders," but, ahem, that's not what we're talking about). But when the thing that's sticking our craw here is a crowd-scene cameo in an already-problematic story that was almost certainly the momentary whim of the artist, rather than one that was actually ''scripted'', I think hefty conceptual weight can certainly be given to the story that is actually ''about'' Brainstorm. I mean, given how Brainstorm's developed - the idea that ''he'd'' be standing in the line-up of those ''first selected'' for the Autobot police force?? Nothing about it feels right. For me, even back when I read #14, the idea that the conflict depicted was happened under Zeta never felt right. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:01, 17 March 2016 (EDT)

== Cow jokes? ==

I'm missing something here with the cow references in the captions. What's the background of these jokes? [[User:Cosmos1|Cosmos1]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 18:37, 12 November 2017 (EST)

Talk:Ruined FOREVER

2017-10-26T14:17:18Z

Waverod: /* HasCon */

==Regarding deletion==
I see no point to having this article. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:11, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:There are 4 instances of Ruined Forever on [[Transformers timeline|this page]] alone. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:16, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

::I see no point to having those, either. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 07:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:::JaAm has a page. 'Ruined Forever' is used ironically within the fandom- and this is clearly marked as a fandom article just like [[True fan]] is. Ruined Forever is clearly more prominent than [[Dull surprise]], though possibly not as widely as [[Neon]]. (Which now that I look at it need its opening quote reformatted...) My entire impetus for creating it was that Sntint made an ironic Ruined Forever joke on a talk page and I was like- "huh, why dont' we have a page for that?" (Well, also I wanted to wash the bad tast of [[Don Murphy|Don Murray]] out of my brain.)
:::Ruined Forever appears to rest comfortably within the range of existing articles on the Wiki, but I am content to allow others to decide. If a majority think it's not relevant to Transformers the article can be deleted, as always. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:37, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::::I say it's as relevant as Playskool, neon, and FIRRIB. {{unsigned|Terrocon Blot}}
:::::And Derik on the rebound to make me feel dumber. It's not enough that I misspelled my own screenname, he's also got to sign my posts for me. Damn that Derik. YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWN. --[[User:Terrocon Blot|Terrocon Blot]] 07:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I vote for keeping the page. As already stated, a number of other pages already exist to explain similar fandom colloquialisms. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 13:20, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:I don't see this article as explaining anything. It seems to exist purely to ridicule fandom behavior that we don't like, and thus I see no point to keeping it. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:35, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it needs to stay too. Where else would terms like ''Ruined FOREVER'', [[Furmanism]], and Chewed caramels be documented for all time, if not here?--[[User:Evil-yuusha|Evil-yuusha]] 14:59, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Do these fandom terms need to be ones that are famous/infamous, known or used widely? Then how about TFW2005's 'HE TELL ME' (in reference to that guy who claimed Peter Cullen was cast as RID Prime)? TFW2005 is probably the most prominent of the Transformers fan sites, as well as the one that Hasbro seems to unofficially prefer. I personally never even heard of 'dull surprise' until I read it on this wiki. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:49, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::Nor I. But I don't think we're just documenting memes-- each of these articles, Truk !Munky, Chewed caramels even JaAm are 'about' a belief/response/tendency in fandom- not just the phrase used to illustrate it. Dull Surprise is a belief the masturbatory praise heaped on Superstar Funana was undeserved, JaAm is about the backlash against Dreamwave's style-over-sanity lack of visual storytelling, Truk not Monkey encompasses both knee-jerk hatred of BW and frustration about knee-jerks, and Chewed caramels ''seems'' to be about a desire that all TF toylines subscribe to some broad interpretation of G1's design aesthetic. I doubt anyone put ''conscious thought'' into this, but the fandom-meme articles people found worthy of creating aren't ''just'' about the phrase- they're about phrases that expresses something larger about how fans relate to Transformers.
::(I'm not familiar with 'HE TELL ME' and where it may fall with this.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:21, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:::Personally, I think dull surprise is way too limited in use (basically just #wiigii! as far as I know) to really belong here, but Derik does sort of have a point about the article being about a little more than that. I also don't know "HE TELL ME" but it sounds like something worth considering -- claims of unnamed inside sources and all that. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:27, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

::::Oops, it was actually Peter Cullen as Armada Prime. The posts (being from 2002), no longer exists, but fortunately blitz_64 managed to save the posts for posterity [http://www.geocities.com/blitz_64/HETELLME.html The Saga of HE TELL ME and GoOP].

::::Actually, Steve-o, I'd say "Secret Inside Sources" would be a more appropriate meme/article to describe that last one. Having never heard of "HE TELL ME", and seeing that few others apparently have either, I'm not sure it's as much a meme as "Secret Inside Sources" is.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] 13:45, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

::::Around the same period, I recall some other idiot who claimed to be a Hasbro photographer and described crazy things like the Mini-Cons becoming body armour and Prime's minicon transforming into his Matrix. These claims, while totally false, were important because they apparently spurred Aaron to emerge as ORSON and totally destroy that other dude, IIRC. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:28, 12 July 2007 (UTC)
:::::I remember that quite vividly indeed. The guy who claimed to be the photographer actually revealed himself over [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26415&st=20&p=551756&#entry551756 at the Allspark this year], actually. Oh yeah, and I think the animu thing was 4Chan leakage [http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=animu].--[[User:MCRG|MCRG]] 05:46, 19 July 2007 (UTC)
I say we keep it. [[User:Compy-Rex|Compy-Rex]] 18:55, 16 March 2008 (UTC)Compy-Rex
:If this page is deleted I will cry. [[User:(Undecided)|(Undecided)]] 05:14, 24 May 2008 (UTC)

==Usage==
Has "ruined forever" ever been used seriously by fans? While it describes a real and annoying sentiment, I'm not sure I like basing an article on a phrase that was sarcastic in the first place. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 18:26, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Seconded. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 18:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:I'm sure something very similar, at least, has been used. But regardless, you say that it describes a real sentiment, so, what's the problem? Can you recommend a better title for the article? Or are you saying the article shouldn't exist at all? --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 19:08, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::Well, my vote is for not existing at all. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 19:22, 11 July 2007 (UTC)
::: I (and a number of others) used to think "Rapeing my childood" was only used for sarcastic reasons. Then I read the thread on the promo poster for Transformers Animated, which had a number or people using the seriously. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] 20:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:Has Trukk not Munky ever been used in a non Ironic/Sarcastic way? It's still a catchphrase used by the fandom, as is this. Both rate articles under the fandom category, IMo.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:24, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

:The '''scream your head off in outraged panic''' / '''call for mass-firings or send death threats over something that has/will ruin/ed TF''' ''behavior'' of this article certainly was in evidence during Beast Machines- and I think the "sky is falling" aspect is amply evidenced by the sheer ''number'' of times fans have declared TF ruined forever. (And, clearly, been wrong every time, or every time but 1 depending on your belief system.)
:If you have some other title you'd prefer for this article like 'Clicken-Little Syndrome' by all means propose it and see what people think, but the article speaks to a genuine (and highly mockable) aspect of fandom psychology.
:And frankly, while the ''behavior'' itself is worthy of ridicule, the ''reason'' for it- an exaggerated concern for the health and future of the brand- is actually kinda ''endearing'' and speaks well of fans. At least their ''hearts'' are in the right place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 20:32, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

==Paul Dini==

I think accusing the fandom of saying the art style of Paul Dini ''the writer'' being used for Animated will "RUIN TRANSFORMERS FOREVER" is making the article simply too mean-spirited. I've never seen any individual display the idiocy we're accusing the fandom of with that line. -[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 05:40, 13 July 2007 (UTC)

I have.
Scary, scary stuff.

Also, the last line of the entry seems to cut a little into the humor by overexplaining. Replace it with a "general hasbro idiocy" linking to "transformers" or somesuch?

==Marked for deletion.==

This is getting out of hand.

This page has become the epicenter of an edit war that has gone on for nearly a week now. As of the time of this writing, only six other pages link to this article. While I fully support the light tone of Teletraan I, and I understand that some explanation of aspects of the fandom complete the Wiki, I believe this particular article and debate at this point only detracts from the issue.

I DO agree that it was biased in the form in which it existed before our anonymous editor "friend" decided to change it, but I do not think that matters any longer. This article does not add anything inherently positive to the wiki, indeed, it does not chronicle anything positive ''or'' negative about Transformers itself at all. Its relation to Transformers is tangential at best.

By deleting this, we would not lose anything except the beginnings of what appear to be the modern equivalent of a Usenet flamewar. Deleting it, I believe, can only benefit Teletraan I. --[[User:Sntint|Sntint]] 12:16, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

:I whole-heartedly agree. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:23, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::I agree. I didn't feel this article was necessary, and I still don't. I agree that the fandom is full of idiots who never bothered to grow up after 1986, but our mockery of them doesn't belong in the wiki. Not to say that Mister "integrity of the characters" is right, though. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 12:30, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::I'm putting in a vote for keeping it. It's a fun article to read, and it speaks a lot of truth in it's wonderfully snarky way.--[[User:Gouki|Gouki]] 12:32, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Snarkyness can be fun but this article is just pushing it, IMO. [[User:Detour|Detour]] 12:38, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:::::I think it should stay, it's funny. Also, if you delete it then the terrorists win.
::::::I would keep it. I think it describes a real sentiment, that needs to be pointed out as overblown. [[User:JW|JW]] 13:55, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
The edit war was only between registered users and a single unregistered dude. I've fixed things, at least for the moment, by protecting the page from unregistered editors. If you're gonna get in a pissy editing war, we'd damn well better know who you are. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:26, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
:Our anonymous friend is from the Netherlands, if anybody cares. [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 14:33, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

This "Ruined FOREVER" article is stupid and don't make any sense. Its just shit

: [[Seafood Louis]]. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:00, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I don't know if the opinion of an anon means anything, but I think this article is freaking hilarious. I was talking with a friend about TF:Animated and he said that the girl with the transforming bike 'ruined it permanently' so I linked him this article. He laughed and said, 'ok, well maybe I'm over-reacting.'

I think the article is funny and provides valuable perspective. {{unsigned|66.167.253.76}}
: Well said, citizen. [[User:JW|JW]] 16:23, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Well, you've cancelled out the other anon from earlier, at any rate. And yeah, I agree with your assessment of it.--[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] 22:43, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
:Same --[[User:Chiasaur11|Chiasaur11]]

I happen to think this article is incredibly useful in charting the tendency for all fans everywhere (but especially TF fans) to react in comical and hyperbolic ways. I think the breadth of what people determine can/has ruined TF forever automatically makes the article an amusing and insightful look for the novice fan into the fandom's reactionary past.

Indeed, I actually have shown this article to people just coming back (or getting into) TF. It's inspired about as many laughs as it has genuine curiosity as to what the fandom and franchise are like as entities. Isn't that the idea of this wiki? I would think reference materials as to the history of the fandom, good and bad, are always a boon.

(and that aside, I just think it's really, really funny)

.... Aaaaaaand I had to go and screw up. Bah. That's me above. --[[User:Cmdr Crayfish|Cmdr Crayfish]] 10:24, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

==Where do we draw the line?==
How do we stop this from becoming just a giant list of everything that anyone has ever expressed any dislike for ever? Why, for instance, is ''The Beast Within'' in there? Or Gonzo (which I thought was generally accepted as at least ''better'' than We've, even if not as good at Mainframe)? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:34, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:I've kinda been watching this list grow with some mild irritation- it went from about 1 item for every 2 years to ''twice'' that in fairly short order, and that bothers me.
:I've sorta resolved to edit the list down this October, pruning it (so to speak) with some opportunity for people to say what should stay and what should go.
:The Beast Within has to stay though- at the ''very'' least it ruined the Dinobots forever- now whenever George Rodd brings up combiner Dinobots we have to grudgingly admit they're canon. Also, it was the reason for the article's creation in the first place. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:58, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
::Why wait? If we want this to be a list of developments that prompted widespread fury that lingered for years, we can shorten it to "Actionmasters, BW, BM, Armada, Hallit, and Bay," and perhaps a few others, right now. Then a "Trivia" note saying that The Beast Within really DID ruin Transformers, or at least Dinobots, forever. Just a thought... but yeah, having every single series in there dilutes the point. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 19:12, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Problem is, how do you decide what deserves to be listed as ruining TF forever, if none of it really did in the first place. I've seen just about everything listed there used as an example of why ____ TF series/movie/toyline will fail--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 20:15, 4 September 2007 (UTC)
:::Also, Thy, I'd append your list with a general "*-masters" thing, as a lot of armchair CEOs claim that the entire -master trend killed the line, not the fact that it had, you know, run its course. [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 14:03, 5 September 2007 (UTC)
:::I'll just basically agree with Thy and Hoop that whatever's listed here should have a certain "endurance" as a scapegoat. The turnaround of opinion on Animated was what, two weeks? "* Masters" certainly counts, as should Pretenders. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 14:35, 5 September 2007 (UTC)

:::What, a simple a Google newsgroup search for [http://groups.google.com/groups?q=%22killed+transformers%22&start=10&sa=N&scoring=d&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&|"killed transformers"] ain't enough? /:] -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 05:15, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

:I doubt I'd get objections if I added it, but I'd like to throw it by the community: Should we readd [[Transformers: Kiss Players (franchise)|Kiss Players]]? -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 04:53, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

::I really think Animated should stay in there, if only because it's '''such a dramatic departure.''' Turn around was fast, but the initial reaction was strong. I mean, for the first time in fifteen years of being a fan, I actually found myself muttering "My god... they've finally done it. It's ruined..." --[[User:70.190.251.10|70.190.251.10]] 05:07, 6 September 2007 (UTC)

beast wars didnt reuin tf beast machines sorta did but it was still quite good ,if u ignore some minor things - Unsigned post by [[User:80.6.180.141|80.6.180.141]]
:You're missing the point of the article, then. The point is that every time something new comes along, the fandom screams about how it will ruin Transformers forever, when in reality it's usually the opposite. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] 22:16, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

==Last Deletion Locked in?==
Spotted a couple of points on the list removed by [[Special:Contributions/Teletraan|someone who seems to like deleting stuff just because]], but when I tried to restore the page, it was already locked. Were his edits accepted, then?--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 15:30, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:There are two facets to this. First, without occasional pruning, the list in this article tends to grow, and grow, and grow. Every now and then, someone has to come along and cut it back. Since this is a wiki, the question of what gets cut is made by the person willing to do the cutting.
:The second facet is that the items cut were in fact less core to the "ruined forever" concept. "Runined forever" is a cry that springs up whenever ''something new is added to the Transformers brand'' by HasTak, and it happens every single time. Thus, the fans ''can't'' ruin TF forver, because they don't add new canon. And, while HasTak ''can'' ruin TF forever, it's because they're the only ones who can do so. I.e., one of the cut items was in error, and one was redundant. [[User:JW|JW]] 15:54, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
::Fair enough, I suppose. It was a combination of both the deletions and the person who committed them that made me question their validity.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 17:00, 2 November 2007 (UTC)
:::Yah, user Teletraan is not exactly a primo contributor. Still, this particular edit seems (at minimum) defensible. [[User:JW|JW]] 17:03, 2 November 2007 (UTC)

==Masters of the Universe link==
I've never, ever been interested in MOTU, so I have no idea what was the cause of the revamp line's failure, but given the extreme slant of the article, I can only assume it failed because it concentrated on collectors rather than kids. If so, why does it link to a Wikipedia article that cites Mattel's ''"excessive focus on attempting to mass-market the line to a new generation of children rather than focusing on a safer collector-based approach"'' as the reason for the line's failure? Am I missing something or does that sound like the line tanked because it focused on selling toys to kids rather than what this article is railing against? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 11:09, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
: Guess who wrote the Wikipedia article. (Hint: It wasn't kids.) [[User:Hooper X|-hx]] 12:04, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

:: The fact is the line failed, no one can say *exactly* why. There are reasons for both oppinions.

::'''Fact:''' The line DID court fans rather than kids in many ways. It didn't reinvent the boat but took the exact looks, exact characters, and in some cases even exact stories the fans clamored for and did them again, only better, prettier, smarter, and more "realisticly". In that respect it was pretty much EXACTLY what older fans of '80s properties clamor for, and said fans generally loved it. But for whatever reason it never caught on with '''actual kids''' in the way the simple, campy, primitive, bowlegged original did. So some see that and blame the line's failure on the older fan mentality.

::'''Also Fact:''' Mattel tried to sell the toyline the way they had Batman. I.E. A million goofy variations on He-man and Skelator (and one or two others) and everyone else was almost impossible to find or didn't get a figure at all. This was very much NOT what collectors wanted. Many blame it for the line's failure at retail, arguing that part of what made the original a hit where the huge variety of strange and different warriors and monsters that Mattel had left out this time in favor of flooding the shelves with He-man repaints and ill-concieved alterations (The entire wave of "samori repaints on stilts" is often pointed to, but are only one of many examples.) Some see this and blame an ill-concieved inapropriate retail stratagy aimed at marketing to kids having crippled the line's retail appeal.

::Personally I think there's some truth to BOTH. For whatever reason (timing, approach, luck,) the older fan oriented cartoon never clicked with the kiddies, '''AND''' the Batman-style retail stratagy was a bad choice for a MOTU type toyline. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 14:17, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

:::Yes, that was the feeling I got, that is there is no clear cut side to 'blame', and in this case, I think we should ditch the Masters of the Universe link, given the information there contradicts the slant of this article, and in any case it's not a clear cut case of 'it's all the collectors fault'. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:32, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::::Hrm, there's some legitimate thought there... but it ruins the G.I. Joe comparison. (Why catering to adult collectors and abandoning attempts at reinvention is a losing strategy in the long run necause ther old dudes die off and uyou're not bringing new fans in.)
::::For what it's worth, I meant from design and marketing- I agree that the actual toyline was schitzophrenic- alternating between a slavish adherence to the original designs and case assortments aimed at kida who weren't watching the cartoon.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:45, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:::::Here's an idea - how about one of you guys (who actually know about MOTU) edit the wikipedia article so it's more balanced, so we don't end up looking like idiots in this article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:30, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

I think it's worth noting that even in today's environment, the military has ''some'' pull to kids. Not so much the gay, gay fur-bikini barbarians. Sword-and-sorcery has some appeal nowadays, but mostly when it's very Japanesey kids-anime-style. (One could also note that the "big" Joe revival frankly isn't very big. It's pretty damn low-key, really, where He-Man was some major-league THIS WILL BE BIG!!! Lower expectations = greater chance of meeting and exceeding them.) --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 17:06, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
:Yeah, I'd also imagine that production costs on the 25th anniversary Joe figs are pretty darn reasonable on Hasbro's bookkeeping. They've done similar lines for Star Wars for decades, so they know what they're doing.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 17:10, 14 January 2008 (UTC)
::I'm really annoyed that the GI Joe 25th line isn't available here, because Hasbro AU's last attempt to revive GI Joe in Australia totally tanked. If you can believe it, Toys R Us stores here languished under piles of unsold Cobra Trooper 6-packs, which, as I've read in forums, collectors were fighting over. They're not on pegs anymore, so I guess they've been shredded or incinerated by now.--[[User:FFN|FFN]] 17:28, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

So have we decided on this link yet? The Wikipedia link still contradicts the snarky joke link of this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:38, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
:It's always going to, because there will always, ''always'' be enough people who are going to make sure that the bullshit boogeyman "CASE RATIOS!! CASE RATIOS!!! KIDS WANTED ALL THOSE OBSCURE ONE-EPISODE GUYS AND USELESS MINOR VILLANS!!!!!" (while patently ignoring the fact that if you can't sell your ''two primary characters in the line'', maybe there's something wrong with your franchise, not case ratios... it'd be like if a Batman line couldn't sell toys of Batman) is squarely blamed for MOTU's failure. Frankly, I'd say just add a note to OUR article saying "ignore the bullshit about case ratios. Kids just didn't want a line about a boring gay man in a fur bikini." --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 15:19, 21 February 2008 (UTC)

::Ignoring your general disdain for He-man here, and even the whole case ratio issue, the fact remains that saying (as our snark does) that the newer He-man line "catered exclusively to older collectors" and that this caused its failure is both unprovable, AND very widely disputed. I'd say we should remove the link on those issues alone. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 15:35, 21 February 2008 (UTC) (-'''Edit:''' On a side-note, given the apparent success of the 25th ann. line and the coming movie, the critical G.I.Joe link in there may soon be meaninglessly out of date as well...)

:::And this is my point - we'll start looking like idiots who can't even get our facts or jokes straight if we insist on keeping these links. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 08:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:::I see Zac's point- but I think he's reacting to something that's not in the article. We're holding the MOTU reboot as an example of a line that abandoned all attempt at reinvention. Since there ''was'' not reinvention in the reboot line, at all, this should not be up for dispute.
:::We do not say that this is ''why'' the line failed. It probably ''was'', but we don't say that. We merely hold it up as an apporach that's probably unhealthy for Transformers to follow.
:::So to be really blunt-- I don't care what whiny fanboys may have edited Wikipedia to say in support of their view that the line was perfect and viable the way it was. '''A)''' That's masturbatory. '''B)''' It's not what this article is talking about, so it's simply not relevant. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:00, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::::But it says 'cater exclusively to the old-school collectors', which the line evidently did not do. In which case, regardless of if we are holding up as an approach that TF should not follow, it's not a good example in the context of the very joke-link, especially if it sends the reader to an article that disputes the joke. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 14:28, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
::::In this context, that 'catering' refers to design, not case assortments. We're discussing ''reinvention''. One does not 'reinvent' case assortments! And in terms of designs, characters etc... MOTU ''did'' cater. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:31, 22 February 2008 (UTC)
:::::More to the point- we're discussing changign the content on ''this'' page because highly dubious artument on Wikipedia disagrees with something ''we're not even saying here''.
:::::If Wikipedia had a bullshit argument we were actually refuting I might kinda understand this. But we're not! We are actually arguing about removing a link to an article because fanboys have jizzed across it in ways that contradict things our article ''doesn't'' say, but which 'might run through that same fanboy's mind as they read our article.'
:::::While '''I''' clearly feel the fanboy argument is specious-at-best '''it doesn't matter'''. We say it catered to collectors. That's it! '''It's just an example of one extreme a toyline can take.''' -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:40, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

== Why? ==

Why is The [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)|Armada]] series , [[Beast Wars: Transformers (franchise)|Beast Wars]] series, the [[The Transformers: The Movie|Movie]], and [[Exclusive]]s listed here?[[User:Autobot Soundwave|Autobot Soundwave]] 19:12, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because fans reacted [[Trukk not munky|very]] [[Pokeformers|negatively]] to a lot of these things, which went on to become major successes. It's satire. -- [[User:SFH|SFH]] 19:15, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
:Because they ruined Transformers forever, of course.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 19:16, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

== Adding to the list ==

The Cliff Notes version: there's very little reason to.

The full version: Contrary to what [http://transformers.wikia.com/wiki/Ruined_FOREVER many people think], this is not a list of [http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER everything Transformers ever]. It is not even a list of everything Transformers that fans have ever complained about. It is a list of the relative handful of times that something ground-shaking and new has come along, something totally different from what's gone before, something that's not exactly like 1984, that causes people to complain that Transformers has irrevocably jumped the shark and begun sinking into an irreversible oblivion. All this doomsaying is then typically followed by the franchise surging back to life as the awful horrible new thing turns out to be a smashing success. Alternately, the horrible new thing quietly fades away while the franchise chugs along to the next new thing.

Thing is, anybody who's stuck with Transformers to this point is used to these reinventions. Perspective has grown long enough that plenty of fans now understand that anything they don't like will be gone in a year or two. Maybe I'm biased 'cause I only read the Allspark boards and they're fairly intelligent, but cries of RUINED FOREVER are increasingly rare these days.

I don't see why Drift is on the list. Plenty of people think he sucks, but nobody's claiming he's going to bring down the whole franchise. ''All Hail Megatron'' would be a better candidate, because people (including myself!) ''are'' claiming that IDW's whole storyline has been permanently destroyed by it. (You could also make a case for ''Energon'' ("bad anime"), ''Prime Directive'' ("MATURE ADULT XXX" or "Buckets of Blood" or "Pat Lee"), and/or Dreamwave ("The Stay-Puft Marshmallow Man", "Superstars", "Bankruptcy").

I don't see why stolen prototypes are on the list. Yeah, some of us make a fuss over them. Y'know why? Because HASBRO THEMSELVES HAS SAID THEY ARE A THREAT TO THEIR BUSINESS. There's no ridiculously overblown grasping-at-straws fandom absurdity to mock here.

And I'd need to see a LOT of linked posts before I'd accept ROTF on the list. I can't fathom someone having complaints about ROTF that didn't also apply to the first movie. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 12:10, 25 June 2009 (EDT)

:There are new complaints about ROTF - about [[Mudflap (ROTF)|these]] [[Skids (ROTF)|two]].--[[Special:Contributions/172.162.17.159|172.162.17.159]] 08:34, 10 August 2009 (EDT)
::I agree with Repowers 100%. If anything, I think the list could use some trimming. Are people complaining about the Twins? Sure! Is ANYONE saying that Transformers, as a franchise, is over/tainted? Umm ... not that I've heard. Certainly no substantial block of the fandom.
::And stolen prototypes, while I DO think people make a somewhat biggish deal about them, don't really belong on the list either. A: as Repowers points out, Hasbro itself has legitimized the concern. B: people getting annoyed about something is NOT the same as saying that the Transformers brand is beyond recovery. Hell, even AHM seems like a stretch. I think that most of the fandom has gained enough hindsight to know that, at worst, AHM represents a change in direction for *IDW'S* story, but certainly not the end of Transformers as we know it. Hell, ROTF and Animated were contemporary, and both were tremendous successes.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 09:48, 10 August 2009 (EDT)

I'm not sure we we can't have Energon on this list, seeing all the complaints on this very wiki, but, eh.--[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] 08:00, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:I disagree. I've read on here that people LIKED it at first, but eventually lost faith/the will to live after watching it. The list chronicles the events which work the OTHER way around. [[User:Metal Gear NOIZE|Metal Gear NOIZE]] 09:07, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::Yeah, I'd say the list has nothing to do with how good something is, but more with complaints from the fandom and especially even before the thing in question has been released. Having said that, does RiD really warrant a place on the list? Was there really that much of a commotion about it? -[[User:Mazenoise|Mazenoise]] 10:10, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
:::I'm surprised "G1 Bayformers", aka Don Figueroa's new drawing style isn't on this list, given that almost every single opinion on it I found was a flame.....--[[User:-Blackout-|-Blackout-]] 12:30, 14 September 2009 (EDT)
::::I loath it to the core of my petty, petty being... but i don't see it as something that will kill or taint the franchise. Kiss-Player is still squicking people ''years'' later... the fact the Japanese owners basically licensed TF loli guro porn is something that genuinely shocks people and lessens their opinion of TF as a whole-- especially since it's not one of those 'worse than it sounds' things, the closer you look, the more disturbing it actually gets. An unpleasant art style inflicted on the comparatively small comic-book audience... just isn't in the same ballpark.
::::I think it's harmed ''IDW'''s Transformers brand equity... people seem a lot more skeptical and a lot more negative of editorially-generated jerking around of the TF brand, because they've now repeatedly dumped directions they committed to in order to chase imaginary gains that never materialized-- apparently heedless of the negative baggage piled on the story in the process. (One more major reset in pursuit of some sort of magical deckchair configuration the editors are convinced is more important than telling good stories... and I might as well be reading DC!) But not the brand overall. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:46, 13 October 2009 (EDT)
:::::Not to get all chat roomy here, but... what he said. Oh dear lord, WHAT HE SAID. (Derik, have you posted that sentiment to IDW's boards?) -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 19:49, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

==How about that B.O.T episode==

To many fans, it's considered to be the worst G1 episode ever, so I think it should be placed here. [[User:Dinoman96|Dinoman96]] 17:23, 23 November 2009 (EST)
:Yea, but this isn't a list of what people just call "bad" - it's a list of the things that threw the fandom into a colossal uproar and actually caused people to say Transformers was ruined forever, more for the fact that they were drastically or outlandishly new and different than for their actually being of poor quality. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 17:46, 23 November 2009 (EST)

==Drift==
Shouldn't we add [[Drift (G1)| this Mary Sue]] to Runied FOREVER? {{unsigned|24.62.9.241}}
:No. He hasn't ruined anything forever. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:55, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
:Maybe you should read the page above before you add to it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 01:02, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

==A quick question (not about adding additional items)...==

Anyone else think that a funnier name for ''Prime'' would be Bayformers Teen Titans? I ask because we've got Bayformers and Teen Titans on the list, and Bayformers Animated kind of throws off the flow. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:03, 16 December 2010 (EST)
:To me at least, "Bayformers Animated" flows much better than "Bayformers Teen Titans". --[[User:NCZ|NCZ]] 20:04, 16 December 2010 (EST)
::A fair point. I meant it more in the manner of fitting with what else was in the article. Not a big deal either way, I suppose. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 20:12, 16 December 2010 (EST)

== Parodies of this page in other media ==

Just in case you didn't noticed it, this page has been parodied several times and in different media:

* http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/DarthWiki/RuinedFOREVER (As noted, this wiki is the trope namer for "Ruined FOREVER")
* http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1224448/ruined-forever.aspx
* http://www.helloweenboard.com/topic/4063-seven-sinner-discussion-thread/page__view__findpost__p__336072
* http://www.rockband.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47999&page=1
* http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Wookieepedia:Ruined_FOREVER
* http://www.librarium-online.com/forums/warmachine/163237-blight-spreading-nites-cryx-blog.html#post1416664
* http://halofanon.wikia.com/wiki/Halo:_Ruined_FOREVER
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:I love how the Wookiepedia people completely missed the point. [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:40, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
::...their version seems basically the same sarcastic treatment as ours. Are you reading a different page? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 12:43, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
:::They seemed a lot more concerned with insignificant detail than this wiki is. However, in retrospect, "completely missed the point" was a bit strong on my part. Maybe the Star Wars fandom is more temperamental than we are? [[User:Ratbatman|Ratbatman]] 12:49, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
::::"''MAYBE''", he says! :D - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 12:54, 18 May 2011 (EDT)
: Not really parodies, more just... versions. [[User:Esser-Z|Esser-Z]] 11:40, 29 December 2011 (EST)
::Adaptations. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:54, 29 December 2011 (EST)

== Literal for once ==

Pat Lee. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:31, 16 April 2012 (EDT)
: Transformers survived him, so not really literally, no. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:00, 16 April 2012 (EDT)
:: The franchise as a whole, but not Dreamwave. Or his reputation. --[[Special:Contributions/96.225.181.135|96.225.181.135]] 21:17, 17 April 2012 (EDT)
::: Not the point of the page. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] 21:20, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

== Autobots who didn't turn into cars ==

[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-general-discussion/615489-what-characters-killed-g1.html Transformers was ruined FOREVER in 1985!] Seriously.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 14:39, 17 June 2012 (EDT)
:TFW2005 ruined Transformers forever.--[[User:Carrion|Carrion]] 15:07, 17 June 2012 (EDT)

== Dark of the Moon ==
*The first and second movies by Michael bay are on the list, but why not the third. Lots of people complained about the third one. [[User:Black rhino ranger|Black rhino ranger]] 07:49, 11 August 2012 (EDT)
::Getting on this page takes more than simple complaints. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 08:16, 11 August 2012 (EDT)

== Rescue Bots ==
I propose adding rescue bots to this list, only listed as rescue heroes, or Eureka. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 20:26, 26 September 2012 (EDT)
:...but it's universally beloved. Surely no Transformers fan could hate ''fun''?! -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 15:51, 12 December 2012 (EST)
::While I agree that in moderation fun is enjoyable, its creation did cause the standard "Ruined FOREVER" response that would deem it necessary to add to the page in the best interests of keeping an accurate database. [[User:Bookwormdalek|Bookwormdalek]] 18:29, 30 June 2013 (EDT)
:::...Which died down about a week later, with only the few stubborn mules of the fandom remaining intolerant of it. This list contains things that have had lasting backlash that ran deep. Rescue Bots never got such deep-filled hatred as the things covered by this list. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 01:09, 1 July 2013 (EDT)

== Windblade ==
Given the kerfuffle a certain segment of the fanbase made over Windblade, ahould she and/or her series be added to this list? And if so, as what? [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 22:10, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
:This is just me, but I'd say we wait a bit more and see how her series and its portrayal of her character are received first. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 22:22, 20 April 2014 (EDT)
::You know this fandom better than I do... I'm not always active in forums or anything... so I'll defer to your judgement. But from what I heard, the drama got really stupid at some points. [[User:Nemesis Primal|Nemesis Primal]] ([[User talk:Nemesis Primal|talk]]) 21:45, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
:::The loudmouths are a minority at this point, people are being really vocal about how much they're enjoying the book. People are being mixed about whether they like the writing or the art more, but in general I'm seeing a favorable response to the art and an appreciation for its snappy writing. [[User:Antimatter|Antimatter]] ([[User talk:Antimatter|talk]]) 22:06, 21 April 2014 (EDT)
::::IMO the drama was less to do with Windblade and more about the "brief conflict" between Scott and Furman referenced on ''Spotlight: Arcee'''s page - the worst criticism of Windblade I've seen is that she's kinda dull so far (and that was from me). I remember Drift raising far more ire when he was introduced and Drift isn't listed here. --[[User:Emvee|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee|talk]]) 02:58, 23 April 2014 (EDT)
:::::That's because IDW shilled Drift as "super cool" and that he'd be "their Wolverine". Windblade, on the other hand, wasn't shilled as a super cool "Wolverine", which is probably why she's been received better than Drift was.[[User:Spin-Out|Spin-Out]] ([[User talk:Spin-Out|talk]]) 21:11, 1 May 2014 (EDT)

== Masterpiece Star Saber's English-language bio for the Australian release ==

Wow, the nerdrage over a little bonus addition for a limited run official import of a Japanese toy that references established IDW fiction is ''amazing''. If that bio doesn't ruin Transformers FOREVER, nothing can.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 18:11, 4 February 2015 (EST)
:As always, my instinct in a situation like this is to wait for at least 3-4 months to see if there is widespread and sustained griping. Many people want to find a way to include, well, virtually everything on this page, and most TF franchises just don't get that level of sustained vitriol to warrant inclusion.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 23:20, 4 February 2015 (EST)
::I don't think we even need to be that conservative. Nobody is going to claim that one regional release of one toy has ''ruined the entire Transformers franchise''. There's no new innovation or franchise re-invention going on here. It's just one bio on one toy and some people raging for a day or two.
::As I've said before, RUINED FOREVER is not just "BUHR ME FAN HATE THING". It's "This new and different thing means that Transformers cannot and will not ever be good again" (add "because new things are bad" as needed), followed by Transformers surviving, thriving, and continuing to be good. In this age of live action movies, there's not much left that can shake the franchise to its core like that. -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] ([[User talk:Repowers|talk]]) 00:04, 5 February 2015 (EST)

== DOTM Soundwave and Wheeljack cancelled in USA ==

Is that ruined forever? Many fans compalined about them cancelled and how they got too many Bumblebees.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 06:43, 10 February 2015 (EST)
:No, that is not "ruined forever". Ruined Forever is large scale complaining about things that have supposedly irredeemably damaged the brand. And the complaining has to continue for a long period of time. Fans were upset about this, but it didn't drag on for years and years. Or even months and months. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 06:52, 10 February 2015 (EST)

== Autobot Megatron ==

Alot of fans were really upset with Megatron joining the autobots...That can be considered as a `RUINED FOREVER".
[[User:Hyruk|Hyruk]] ([[User talk:Hyruk|talk]]) 16:21, 10 February 2015 (EST)
:This doesn't sound like something that happened. --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] ([[User talk:Nu-Priest|talk]]) 18:13, 10 February 2015 (EST)
::Megatron never joined the Autobots ([[Megatron (SG)|though there is a mirrorverse Megatron of course]]) but we don't talk about fanfics, only official fiction.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 08:34, 12 February 2015 (EST)
:::Go read the IDW comics, it happened. Or wait for [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Leader|this toy]]. But again, this is nowhere near the level of complaining that is necessary for Ruined Forever. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 08:58, 12 February 2015 (EST)
::::But what's wrong if Megatron is an Autobot? It's supposed to be nice because that means there are no Decepticons and no war.[[User:Pat|Pat]] ([[User talk:Pat|talk]]) 03:45, 13 February 2015 (EST)
:::::Which would pretty much END the fiction. No conflict, no drama, no story.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:02, 13 February 2015 (EST)

In the allinged continuity, he becomes an Autobot in the Beast Hunters Predicons Rising movie. [[User:Markatron|Markatron]] ([[User talk:Markatron|talk]]) 23:09, 1 August 2015 (EDT)

=="Radical Feminist SJWs"==

Can we remove this entry from the list? It just seems like pointless flamebait to me- not to mention that in my experience, practically nobody believes that female Transformers "ruined" the brand. I mean, you have some people (including the mighty Simon Furman himself) who find the idea of gender in a race of robots kinda silly because, well, they're robots- an opinion I personally disagree with but still understand- but in all my time as a Transformers fan I've never seen ANYONE having the sort of knee-jerk reaction to the existance of female Transformers that this entry is implying, even on the 4chan Transformers threads.

Plus, quite aside from anything else, it's an open invitation for LOLDRAMA and not even that funny.[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 12:43, 19 September 2015 (EDT)

* As far as I can tell, the only people who had trouble with it were the writers for some of the comics, under the justification that as automata, Transformers shouldn't have genders. That said, no one complained and after Arcee's head-turning introduction to the series, more of them showed up without incident, meaning either a shift in attitude or pressure from Hasbro.

: So yeah, pretty much. Don't need it. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 14:44, 11 December 2015 (EST)

Nnnnnyeah, that one's staying.
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/125522205664
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/124075222269
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/122682384287
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/129784394268
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/128712971726
http://fucknotfw2005.tumblr.com/post/121195549217
There is literally an entire Tumblr dedicated to cataloging angry reactions to women in Transformers and how "social justice" is ruining it further. Hundreds of entries. If you missed all of it, then you're blessed! --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:13, 11 December 2015 (EST)
:I mean, seriously, this is one of the few entries on the page that can [http://fusion.net/story/182445/misogynistic-fans-cant-deal-with-the-new-female-transformers/ actually be supported by articles] [http://www.avclub.com/article/hasbro-declares-war-boys-announcing-female-transfo-218595 on non-Transformers websites]. It belongs on here more than most others, if this were a wiki which was going for any kind of Wikipedia-style notability. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 15:16, 11 December 2015 (EST)
:: Well, my day is ruined forever. I could seriously have gone my whole life without learning about this tumblr.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:20, 11 December 2015 (EST)
Meh, most of the posts linked in that Tumblr (or at least the ones you linked) seemed to be fairly reasonable, and far from the outright disgust that usually accompanies cries of "RUINED FOREVER". Heck, there were actually a few fairly valid points here and there amidst the "I disagree with the direction IDW is taking the franchise" posts (most notably that men might be better at managing/marketing a boy-oriented toyline, just as women might be better for girl-oriented toylines). Unless "Ruined FOREVER" now means "Not everyone agrees this is a 100% good thing" I still think it's a pretty petty, unnecessary addition to an otherwise decent article. Now if you want real Ruined Forever butthurt just look at the reactions to Alpha Bravo, Offroad, Rook and Blastoff-as-a-jet.

Also, you aren't helping your case any by linking to clickbait articles. C'mon, we're better than this.--[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 17:08, 20 December 2015 (EST)
:...wow. Now this entry is staying even more. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:18, 20 December 2015 (EST)
I beg your pardon? Is simply stating the fact that the cited sources did not display a particularly vicious level of backlash, especially compared to, say, the absolute atomic butthurt experienced by the fandom due to the existence of Alpha Bravo and the other CW newbies, now some kind of capital offence? I certainly don't think I said anything that even remotely deserved that level of condescension.--[[User:Squigsquasher|Squigsquasher]] ([[User talk:Squigsquasher|talk]]) 17:44, 20 December 2015 (EST)
::No, no, he needed to use more condescension. You're agreeing with some awful-ass bigoted shit. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 17:58, 20 December 2015 (EST)
:::Yeah, I was toning it down, really. Because the contention that new Combiner components complaints were somehow more vicious and awful than the shit leveled at the existence of more female TFs, including female TFs who don't look like metal Barbies (adding a nice layer of transphobia to the mix) is patently ridiculous, repulsive horseshit, and you are NOT going to win this one, so just stop now. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:01, 20 December 2015 (EST)

Both those websites linked push agendas up the asshole, and pulling shit off some obscure Tumblr page doesn't really help one's argument. Also, it's funny seeing Walky defend entry. Why don't we compromise? Remove the shit about feminism and SJWs and replace it with something like... "More female Transformers"? It makes the people mad look like strawmen, but it's a start. ~~[[User:TheTFGeek]]~~ ([[User talk:TheTFGeek:talk]])
:Oh, and I won't be able to reply immediately because I'll be hitting the hay soon. Please take into consideration my idea and try to act civilized (not that you all aren't). Oh, and apologies for attacking you like that, Walky. ~~[[User:TheTFGeek|TheTFGeek]]~~
::Hahahahah "agendas" hahahahhahahahah no. No, it is not going away. Coddling bigoted, misogynistic shit is not "civilized", its scummy and won't be tolerated here. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 00:38, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:::I would sooner raze this website to the ground than allow something I pay for to coddle smallminded 4chan concern trolling about "agendas." It stays. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 03:57, 21 December 2015 (EST)
::::Shit, I was trying to act nice and compromise, but, alright, have it your way. Also, M, are you telling me you really can't tell when news sites push agendas? ~~[[User:TheTFGeek|TheTFGeek]]~~
:::::Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahahahahahahahahah --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 12:32, 21 December 2015 (EST)
::::::Hahhhhahahahahahahahahahahahahaha this fool won't actually argue with me and has to reply in a insulting manner hahahahahahahahah ~~[[User:TheTFGeek|TheTFGeek]]~~
:It's interesting how nobody's ever asked that this article be more polite about fans who hate Beast Wars or the live-action films or whatever. No, it's just the fans who hate female characters who deserve that! [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 07:31, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:Gamergate has finally reached our shores. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:19, 21 December 2015 (EST)
::I had a good feeling someone would bring that up... ~~[[User:TheTFGeek|TheTFGeek]]~~
:::I wonder why. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:38, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm unclear regarding how the obscurity or otherwise of the tumblr page is relevant when it is reposting stuff people have said on a major Transformers fan site. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:56, 21 December 2015 (EST)
::My two Euro-Cents: Do I ''personally'' need female Transformers? Not necessarily. Do I hate the concept of female Transformers? Hell no. Do I oppose the introduction of more female Transformers characters? Not if they're written well, which they seem to be for the most part. (I particularly enjoy Nautica!) Is the backlash hilariously over the top? Absolutely. Is it indicative of misogyny deeply rooted in many members of our jolly little fandom? Definitely. Does it belong on this page? Well, of course.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 17:13, 21 December 2015 (EST)

==Locked==
If ever there was a page that deserved to be locked, it's this one. The idea that it needs some debate before we go ahead and add something here is a good one, and I hope it stays that way indefinitely. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:37, 21 December 2015 (EST)
:Thank you for listening to me instead of laughing at my posts and automatically assuming I'm a troll. I'd add some insulting stuff in this next sentence, but I don't want to further agitate people. ~~[[User:TheTFGeek|TheTFGeek]]~~
::Right, I just got an idea for a bullet point; combining Dinobots, which were summarily Ruined FOREVER to the fandom after [[The Beast Within]]. It's pretty clear that that topic should probably be on here under a bullet point, at least to me. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 17:00, 17 February 2016 (EST)

== Combiner Wars ==

Anyone else think Combiner Wars (cartoon) should be added to the list? [[User:Jcbynum1|Jcbynum1]] 23:11, 27 September 2016 EST
:No, the point of this list is things which whiners ridiculously claim have ruined Transformers but in fact have not. Terribly made productions are a separate thing. You don't see the RotF film on here with its dismally low critical reception, do you? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:19, 27 September 2016 (EDT)
:Sipher gave a big fat NO to that previously, so it's a no go. This page isn't for everything terrible or everything new, just specific stuff that was widely, irrationally feared by the fandom to spell certain irreparable doom for the Transformers brand. As bad as the CW cartoon was, it was hyped up with much anticipation and hailed by some as a sort of Second Coming of G1 in cartoon form. People were dying to see this cartoon and were thinking it could be the greatest thing ever, the very opposite of the "Ruined FOREVER" concept. And once it came out, while people saw how bad it was, they still knew that it wouldn't ruin the brand like they thought the things on this page would. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:21, 27 September 2016 (EDT)

== Apparently IDW is adding another to the list ==

According to some people 'stuck in 1984', shall we say, at least, [[Rom the Space Knight|Multi-property crossovers]] are Ruining FOREVER! Transformers as a stealth way to phase out all the 1984-introduced characters we know and love. - [[User:TBR|TBR]] ([[User talk:TBR|talk]]) 04:26, 8 October 2016 (EDT)
:Once again, the list's entry requirements are not a simple as "some people complained about it". (If they were, literally everything the brand has ever done would be on the list.) [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 05:19, 8 October 2016 (EDT)

== HasCon ==
Given the fans' unfavorable reaction to the newest convention, any hopes for adding this to the page? [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 13:21, 13 June 2017 (EDT)
:Has Hascon been actually accused being something that will "ruin the Transformers brand forever", or have the negative reactions just been a general dislike of some of the con's aspects? If only the latter, then no, it wouldn't be added to this page. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:53, 13 June 2017 (EDT)
::Well, looks like HasCon is spared from the fires of this page. [[User:FigureGunplaFan|FigureGunplaFan]] ([[User talk:FigureGunplaFan|talk]]) 02:23, 15 September 2017 (EDT)
:::Great, that omission has made this page worthless. "Transformers: Ruined FOREVER" ruined FOREVER. [[User:Cosmos1|Cosmos1]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 23:30, 22 October 2017 (EDT)
::::At this point I would support the removal of the list of things that have ruined Transformers forever, just to make it easier to keep the page from being indiscriminately added to. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 10:06, 23 October 2017 (EDT)
:::::It's already locked so only administrators can edit the page. I think bringing prospective items here means we can limit what's added all right, even if some people are going to disagree with the outcome of the discussion. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:42, 23 October 2017 (EDT)
::::::I for one was trying to make a joke. I'm not really concerned about HasCon being on this page. [[User:Cosmos1|Cosmos1]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1|talk]]) 10:17, 26 October 2017 (EDT)