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Talk:All Hail Megatron issue 14

2013-08-22T17:56:30Z

WiT:

...."the eyes of a headless Sunstreaker"? Am I the only one finding that this statement makes no sense whatsoever? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:52, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:Duly modified. However, not having the issue in question, I was only able to make a best guess on what was meant from context. Someone with the issue in hand should double-check my edit.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:24, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

I wonder if the continuity Errors in the Sunstreaker story are actually down to Sunstreaker being an arrogant, delusional jerk? It is all from Sunstreaker's POV, after all. I admit, at first I thought it was another of Shane McCarthy's gleeful promotions of previously competent bots to superhero levels, but the Hunter@Machination dialogue in particular struck me as Sunstreaker deluding himself and rewriting the past to suit his arrogance. Could this section be rebadged as "items of note" instead? (Danforth from the IDW forum)
:That may be the best solution, but without any evidence to support the idea of this being Sunstreaker's delusions, it's all pure speculation, and we try to avoid that here. In fact, I'm going to comment-hide that sentence for now. The only reason I won't outright delete it is that if someone at IDW ever confirms that this issue is, indeed, Sunstreaker's delusional POV, we can restore the sentence with its counterpoint that said twist is never made clear.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:11, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::I will fight against such an inclusion. They would just be covering their arse for steamrollering over Devastation. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:59, 10 September 2009 (EDT)

Isn't the delusion made clear by the last panel after where hunter says "teach me" there is static. It seems clear to be a memory cutoff point.

It is hard to see the static panel as anything, but an indication of memory alteration.[[User:WiT|WiT]] 13:56, 22 August 2013 (EDT)
== Dead Universe "Decepticons"? ==

Are they ever directly stated as such? Because the Dead Universe Cybertronians predate the factions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:24, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:Good point - I'll adjust it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 21:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

==Redirect==

I know why it's been done, but considering that the much more likely search is The Rebirth, wouldn't redirecting to the trilogy make more sense [[User:Eire]] 18.19 Aug 21 09 (UTC)

=="Cameos"==
I reject the idea that the generics include Side Burn, Roulette, and Bulkhead. If they're intended homages, they're altered enough to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. (People DO remember that Side Burn, like, has a big monocle eye, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:50, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

I think "Sideburn" is the only one you can make a case for, but it'd be nice if we could get some confirmation from either Josh or Emiliano... --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 08:58, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 15 December 2011 (EST)
::I'm not sure I see the issue of recognizing those cameos, especially since those characters are established in G1. It's not like they're ever going to show up in positions of importance. (I dunno how this is worse than saying [[red waitress Transformer]] is T-AI, either.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:05, 16 December 2011 (EST)
:::They are not cameos because '''they do not look like them''. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:34, 16 December 2011 (EST)

== Machination? ==

I was just wondering, was it ever called the Machination in this issue? I ask because [[The Transformers Continuum|Continuum]] confuses Skywatch and Machination and all. I wonder if the two organizations are confused in this issue also. It makes the plot holes make a little more sense. It would answer the question "why would Scorponok require them to gather 'data' if he is already familiar with Cybertronian anatomy?" - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:13, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:Nope, it was not... But Machination was explicitly stated in '''other''' McCarthy-penned issues. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:30, 15 November 2009 (EST)
::Not to mention is was also explicit that Sunstreaker's head was kept in a Machination base and he was worked on by Machination scientists in all the other series. {{unsigned|148.197.5.19|08:11, November 16, 2009 (EST)}}
:::I know that, you know that, I was just making sure this author knew that. Or, was the name of the organization deliberately not named in this issue because they were planning on clumsily retconning it in Continuum or something like that. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:21, 16 November 2009 (EST)

== Roulette note ==

"Roulette, a female Autobot, is clearly visible in the crowd of cheering warriors during Sunstreaker's flashback. Jhiaxus, you got some 'splaining to do." Now first and foremost, that doesn't much look like Roulette (probably why she isn't on the cast list), and second of all, after the discrepancy between Spotlight Arcee and Megatron Origin, wasn't it said by either a writer or an editor at IDW that while Arcee was the first female Transformer, didn't mean she wasn't the only one? Or am I misremembering? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:48, 16 December 2011 (EST)

Talk:All Hail Megatron issue 14

2013-08-22T17:55:53Z

WiT:

...."the eyes of a headless Sunstreaker"? Am I the only one finding that this statement makes no sense whatsoever? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 17:52, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:Duly modified. However, not having the issue in question, I was only able to make a best guess on what was meant from context. Someone with the issue in hand should double-check my edit.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 18:24, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

I wonder if the continuity Errors in the Sunstreaker story are actually down to Sunstreaker being an arrogant, delusional jerk? It is all from Sunstreaker's POV, after all. I admit, at first I thought it was another of Shane McCarthy's gleeful promotions of previously competent bots to superhero levels, but the Hunter@Machination dialogue in particular struck me as Sunstreaker deluding himself and rewriting the past to suit his arrogance. Could this section be rebadged as "items of note" instead? (Danforth from the IDW forum)
:That may be the best solution, but without any evidence to support the idea of this being Sunstreaker's delusions, it's all pure speculation, and we try to avoid that here. In fact, I'm going to comment-hide that sentence for now. The only reason I won't outright delete it is that if someone at IDW ever confirms that this issue is, indeed, Sunstreaker's delusional POV, we can restore the sentence with its counterpoint that said twist is never made clear.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 19:11, 26 August 2009 (EDT)
::I will fight against such an inclusion. They would just be covering their arse for steamrollering over Devastation. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 12:59, 10 September 2009 (EDT)

Isn't the delusion made clear by the last panel after where hunter says "teach me" there is static. It seems clear to be a memory cutoff point.

Agreed it is hard to see the static panel as anything, but an indication of memory alteration.
== Dead Universe "Decepticons"? ==

Are they ever directly stated as such? Because the Dead Universe Cybertronians predate the factions.--[[User:Rosicrucian|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian|Talk]] 20:24, 20 August 2009 (EDT)
:Good point - I'll adjust it. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] 21:44, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

==Redirect==

I know why it's been done, but considering that the much more likely search is The Rebirth, wouldn't redirecting to the trilogy make more sense [[User:Eire]] 18.19 Aug 21 09 (UTC)

=="Cameos"==
I reject the idea that the generics include Side Burn, Roulette, and Bulkhead. If they're intended homages, they're altered enough to the point where it doesn't matter anymore. (People DO remember that Side Burn, like, has a big monocle eye, right?) --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:50, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

I think "Sideburn" is the only one you can make a case for, but it'd be nice if we could get some confirmation from either Josh or Emiliano... --[[User:Nu-Priest|Nu-Priest]] 08:58, 1 September 2009 (EDT)

:<nowiki>*</nowiki>sigh* --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:52, 15 December 2011 (EST)
::I'm not sure I see the issue of recognizing those cameos, especially since those characters are established in G1. It's not like they're ever going to show up in positions of importance. (I dunno how this is worse than saying [[red waitress Transformer]] is T-AI, either.) [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:05, 16 December 2011 (EST)
:::They are not cameos because '''they do not look like them''. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:34, 16 December 2011 (EST)

== Machination? ==

I was just wondering, was it ever called the Machination in this issue? I ask because [[The Transformers Continuum|Continuum]] confuses Skywatch and Machination and all. I wonder if the two organizations are confused in this issue also. It makes the plot holes make a little more sense. It would answer the question "why would Scorponok require them to gather 'data' if he is already familiar with Cybertronian anatomy?" - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:13, 15 November 2009 (EST)
:Nope, it was not... But Machination was explicitly stated in '''other''' McCarthy-penned issues. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 23:30, 15 November 2009 (EST)
::Not to mention is was also explicit that Sunstreaker's head was kept in a Machination base and he was worked on by Machination scientists in all the other series. {{unsigned|148.197.5.19|08:11, November 16, 2009 (EST)}}
:::I know that, you know that, I was just making sure this author knew that. Or, was the name of the organization deliberately not named in this issue because they were planning on clumsily retconning it in Continuum or something like that. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:21, 16 November 2009 (EST)

== Roulette note ==

"Roulette, a female Autobot, is clearly visible in the crowd of cheering warriors during Sunstreaker's flashback. Jhiaxus, you got some 'splaining to do." Now first and foremost, that doesn't much look like Roulette (probably why she isn't on the cast list), and second of all, after the discrepancy between Spotlight Arcee and Megatron Origin, wasn't it said by either a writer or an editor at IDW that while Arcee was the first female Transformer, didn't mean she wasn't the only one? Or am I misremembering? --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 16:48, 16 December 2011 (EST)

All Hail Megatron issue 14

2013-08-22T17:52:47Z

WiT: /* "Replay" */

{{disambigr|Rebirth|the three-part episode that made up season 4 of the [[The Transformers (cartoon)|Generation 1 cartoon]]|The Rebirth}}
{{Comicstory|
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|next=All Hail Megatron issue 15
|image=Megatron14c.jpg
|caption=Communist propaganda about a bodiless Autobot
|publisher=[[IDW Publishing]]
|date=[[August 19]], [[2009]]
|coverdate=August 2009
|written by=[[Shane McCarthy]] "Replay" [[Andy Schmidt]] "Rebirth"
|art by=[[Emiliano Santalucia]] "Replay" [[Andrew Griffith]] "Rebirth"
|colors by=[[Josh Burcham]]
|letters by=[[Chris Mowry]]
|edits by=[[Denton J. Tipton]]
|continuity=[[IDW Generation 1 continuity|IDW continuity]]
|chronology=''[[IDW timeline|All Hail Megatron]]''
}}

'''One's a head, the other's a [[zombie]]. It's the Cybertronian odd couple!'''

=="Replay"==
===Synopsis===
''On a distant world, [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] and his squad have driven a [[Decepticon]] army off the planet. Sunstreaker tells one of his squad units to inform [[Optimus Prime (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Optimus Prime]] of the victory, and as he climbs on a stack of [[energon]] crates, the rest of his squad chant his name in victory. The squad member returns and tells him of Prime's congratulations, as well as giving him co-ordinates from Prime, as he is now reassigned to another squad on another planet called [[Earth]].''

''On Earth, a scientist named [[Douglas (G1)|Douglas]] is talking to his superior. It seems he and his crew are having difficulty in shutting up the robot the [[Machination]] have captured. Douglas suggests taking it offline, but his superior will have none of it, as it would erase all the data it contains. The superior wants the readings immediately, and he reminds Douglas that it's a machine and that its "screaming" is an automated response. Douglas doesn't care, as he find the noise distracting. The superior then suggests that he get some earplugs and get the job over with.''

''At night, a scientist tries to seduce his girlfriend, but she is creeped out by the head of the robot, thinking that it's looking at them. The scientist tries to reassure her that it's not looking at anything, but she isn't convinced, as the robot is the most hideous thing she has ever seen, although the scientist retorts that ''she'' had wanted to see it. Suddenly, it speaks, calling for help. The scientist is amused, while the girlfriend is disgusted. Excited, the scientist prods the robot head to speak again.''

''[[Hunter O'Nion]], who has been turned into one of the Sunstreaker [[Headmaster (technology)|Headmaster]]s, confronts Sunstreaker's head. Sunstreaker begs for the human to kill him, but Hunter refuses. Sunstreaker begs once more, but Hunter refuses again and asks Sunstreaker to teach him how to be a Headmaster, while Sunstreaker begs for a third time to Hunter to kill him. This is followed by static, indicating sunstreaker's memory had been altered and edited to make Hunter seem Malevolent ''

''At an Autobot repair bay, [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] is giving Sunstreaker his diagnosis. The [[CR chamber]] has done wonders to Sunstreaker and everything looks good, but Ratchet needs to do more tests to be certain. Sunstreaker asks if he can go and Ratchet permits it, saying he will let 'Streaker know when the tests are done. Ratchet next mentions that he's about to finish restoring Hunter back to normal if Sunstreaker wants to see, but Sunstreaker turns his back. In response to Ratchet's query, Sunstreaker turns and, with a false smile, says that being in the CR chamber made him unsteady and he just wants to go for a walk. Ratchet reminds him that it wasn't easy to undergo, as this had never happened to him (or anyone) before. Ratchet is concerned that Sunstreaker might have neural trauma, due to the bonding with and separation from Hunter, and he's worried about what else the Machination scientists might have done with him. Sunstreaker once again says that he's fine—couldn't be happier, in fact, thanks to having his head and body back together again. But as soon as he leaves the repair bay, Sunstreaker walks down the corridor, looks at himself, then staggers to an empty room and holds his head.''

The images repeat themselves through the eyes of Sunstreaker's disembodied head on [[Cybertron (planet)|Cybertron]], as it, along with pieces of the deactivated [[Insecticon swarm]], lie in ruins below, where above, a bridge once stood...

===Featured characters===
{{featuredcharacters
|c1=
*? (1)
*[[Crosshairs (G1)|Crosshairs]] (2)
*? (4)
*? (5)
* [[Sunstreaker (G1)|Sunstreaker]] (6)
*? (7)
* [[Sideswipe (G1)|Sideswipe]] (8)
*? (9)
*[[Blurr (G1)|Blurr]] (10)
*? (11)
*? (12)
* [[Bumblebee (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Bumblebee]] (15)
* [[Jazz (G1)|Jazz]] (16)
* [[Prowl (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Prowl]] (17)
* [[Ratchet (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Ratchet]] (18)
|c2=
* [[Insecticon swarm]] (19)
|c3=
* [[Douglas (G1)|Douglas]] (13)
* [[Hunter O'Nion]] (14)
}}

===Notes===
====Errors====
* In this issue, some fans interpret the flashbacks to imply that Hunter somehow forced Sunstreaker to agree to his idea of becoming the Autobot's Headmaster, as opposed to the actual events of [[Devastation issue 4|''Devastation'' #4]], wherein Sunstreaker had a sort of agreeable attitude to Hunter's question of whether there was "room for one more" in the Autobot's mind. However, others feel the flashback is meant to depict the subjective memories of the dying Sunstreaker (which is why everyone loves him in the early pages) and it's ''supposed'' to be inaccurate. This is shown by the use of static filled panels, indicating a deleted memory.

=="Rebirth"==
===Synopsis===
In [[Garrus-9]], [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] emerges from the [[solar pool]] with a scream. The [[Darkness (G1)|Darkness]] has consumed him whole, and he tries to endure it...

On [[Gorlam Prime]], [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]], who has managed to survive the events of the [[Expansion]] thanks to his [[Dead Universe]] regenerative powers, believes that either life or death would be a blessing, as he and the Dead Universe inhabitants have been marooned on the planet for what he thinks is an eternity. Cyclonus and the inhabitants of the Dead Universe were part of the first ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' expedition, which was a scientific voyage that encountered a parallel universe that had no life and no evolution, and it changed them. They returned to Gorlam Prime, but Cyclonus is the lone survivor, having lasted the longest "out here". On reflection, he realizes that he's been away from his home universe for so long that he feels like an outsider. He is now the last Dead Universe inhabitant, as his comrades [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] and [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] are dying and [[Nova Prime|Nemesis Prime]] is now dead. For the survivors, death is a release for the static hell they found. All that remains is recycling his fallen men, even though they, the scientific elite and his warrior brothers, deserved better.

Cyclonus's thoughts are broken by Scourge, who weakly states that he's alive. Cyclonus tries to reassure his teammate that he won't last long. The best gift Cyclonus can offer is recycling him into the solar pools, though he wishes he had more. Suddenly, Galvatron arrives. Now infused with the Darkness, he tells Cyclonus to stop whatever he was doing. Cyclonus tells him that they're no longer alive; with no purpose and no function, they're now little more than illumination units, and that melting them in the solar pool is the only way restore their honor and regain their dignity. Galvatron says that Cyclonus is wrong; he now has the power and the will, and, most importantly, a ''mission'', and he's going to join with Cyclonus to achieve it. Galvatron states that if they wanted a function, he'll now give it to them, then fires at the solar pool.

Cyclonus angrily thinks that he's gone insane, but Galvatron asks if that's what he was going to do anyway. Cyclonus disagrees, stating about their honor. Scourge, emerging from the pool, again proclaims that he still functions. Seeing this, Galvatron gives him power to live again, then throws him back to the solar pool, as he needs an army. The pool explodes and does its job as Scourge screams. Cyclonus wonders what Galvatron has done, but Galvatron says that the Darkness, not he, wouldn't let Scourge die. Just then, Scourge bursts out of the solar pool, calling Galvatron's name, restored to full capacity, as the pain has allowed him to live once again. Galvatron explains they all are more than they were before, and that the Darkness that consumed Nova Prime is now with him. Galvatron is no longer the robot they once knew, the Darkness isn't what it was with Nova, and they have become something different and ''new''.

Galvatron then sees his new army approach, but his anticipation turns to anger when he realizes that his troops have been made in Scourge's image, rather than his own. Galvatron pronounces that Scourge is now in charge of his [[Sweep]]s, that they are now bonded to him, and that if he keeps them in line, he will become a warrior king. Cyclonus thinks this is madness, as there is no [[spark]] and no honor in being a warrior slave. As a warrior, a patriot, and a [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]], he won't allow Galvatron to do this to him. Galvatron reassures Cyclonus that such will not be his fate; Cyclonus's cunning and spirit refuse to die, as he is noble and incorruptible, which is what helped him survive longer than the rest in the normal universe. Galvatron wants Cyclonus to trust him, join him, and ''seek'' for him.

With his spark restored, Cyclonus feels that he was weak, but Galvatron tells his new lieutenant that he now has strength. Galvatron orders his army to get started, and Cyclonus asks what their mission is. Galvatron says that their mission as explorers, looking to discover the forces of the universe, is over, though they have paid for what they've learned. There is only one constant, universal force: change. They are now a part of that force, a catalyst sparking upheaval, igniting revolution and feeding chaos with every hate-filled action. The universe had their way with them, and now it's their turn. Scourge wonders what that means, and while Cyclonus has no idea, he tells Scourge that their function is to seek and that they follow Galvatron.

===Featured characters===
{{featuredcharacters
|c4=
* [[Galvatron (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Galvatron]] (1)
* [[Cyclonus (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Cyclonus]] (2)
* [[Scourge (G1)|Scourge]] (3)
* [[Sweep]]s (4)
}}

===Quotes===
"I won't let you do this to me! I was a patriot! I was a warrior! A '''Seeker'''!"
:—'''Cyclonus''' fears the Darkness

"Scourge?" 
"Yes?" 
"They were supposed to be in '''my''' image!"
:—'''Galvatron''' is unhappy with '''Scourge'''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s Sweeps

===Notes===
* No mention is made of [[Grindcore (G1)|Grindcore]], who was last seen with Straxus on Earth.
* This issue now retroactively establishes Cyclonus and Scourge as [[Seeker (body-type)|Seeker]]s.
* This is the first time we've seen Scourge in IDW continuity, but by the power of [[retcon]] he's ''always'' been with the Dead Universe faction.
* Like last issue, more nods are made to ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'', with Galvatron now commanding Cyclonus, Scourge and the Sweeps, as well as him being considered insane (as in season 3 of the cartoon).
* The two comrades of Cyclonus that are about to be "put to rest" are two members of the original ''[[Ark (G1)|Ark]]'' bridge crew as seen in [[Spotlight: Galvatron|Galvatron's ''Spotlight'']] issue.

====Errors====
* ''Ark'' is misspelled "Arc".
* In ''[[Revelation (IDW)|Revelation]]'', it was Galvatron, not Cyclonus, who could remain in the normal universe for long amounts of time without being destroyed. Writer Andy Schmidt has admitted that he misremembered what had been established in ''Revelation'', and that this was just a flat-out biff.<ref>[http://forum.idwpublishing.com/viewtopic.php?t=6553]</ref>
* Hey, remember how [[Starscream (G1)/IDW Generation 1 continuity|Starscream]] referred to Scourge as a Decepticon in ''[[All Hail Megatron issue 6|All Hail Megatron'' #6]]?
* Oh, and remember how [[Straxus (G1)|Straxus]] was on [[Earth]] when the Autobots closed the [[Benzuli Expanse]] in "[[Spotlight: Sideswipe]]"?

==Notes==
===Covers (3)===
*'''Cover A:''' Sunstreaker's severed head; art by [[Emiliano Santalucia]] with colors by [[Josh Burcham]].
*'''Cover B:''' Galvatron rises from the pool of flame; art and colors by [[Andrew Griffith]].
*'''Cover RI:''' Art deco of Sunstreaker's severed head; art and colors by [[Trevor Hutchison]].
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Image:AHM14a.jpg|Guh.
Image:AHM14b.jpg|Now ''that'' was a hot bath!
Image:Megatron14c.jpg|Ah'll be back!
</gallery>

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