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Interesting that you think she's an Earthling... --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 20:24, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
:Well, "Galen Witwicky", so I assumed. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:38, 17 March 2015 (EDT)
::I'm wagering that this involves a human/Nebulon interspecies relationship! --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 21:43, 17 March 2015 (EDT)

==E-Hobby Starscream==
You guys share links from seibertron but if I want to share it from deviantart, that's bad? I mean the user that published those pages in deviantart is E-Hobby's official user page.(I think).--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 11:36, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
:It's not e-Hobby that's putting those pages on DeviantArt. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 19 March 2015 (EDT)
::Hmm ok then, but still Seibertron is a fan site too, right?--[[User:Primestar3|Primestar3]] ([[User talk:Primestar3|talk]]) 12:16, 31 March 2015 (EDT)

==Joke about Legends Arcee==
If my joke offend you or simply not funny, sorry about that. I'm just joking about sexist tendencies of Japanese culture. In fact, most famous and badass woman transformer only doing cook and wipe Rattrap's ass in this comic.—[[User:MWM|MWM]] ([[User talk:MWM|talk]]) 11:01, 21 March 2015 (EDT)
:Don't worry, I'm not angry. I got what you meant with the joke, but it was still iffy, since it's hard for a reader to tell if it's serious or a criticism of the comic. I appreciate that you took the time to uploaded the image! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:12, 21 March 2015 (EDT)

== 3-D Diorama? ==
Say, where did you find these? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:30, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www.tf-base.ru/comics_manga.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 21:32, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Thanks![[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
::Ugh...they're all CBR files my computer can't access. Thanks for the link thought. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 21:50, 9 April 2015 (EDT)
:::They're just renamed rar files. Change the file extension to .rar and upzip them [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:39, 9 April 2015 (EDT)

== Magmatron ==

Thanks for the back up there. I THOUGHT I remembered it being the standard but didn't want to remove it without checking so I just cleaned up the grammar. Might possibly be put on the page for the toyline itself, but not sure if it is really worth noting.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 16:30, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

== About the Hero Mashers ==

So I guess while you were putting them where they would go, BotCon's official Andromeda's Facebook page went ahead and made it a seperate cluster from anything before. [https://www.facebook.com/permalink.php?story_fbid=1128571057169997&id=1099425733417863] [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 06:51, 10 May 2015 (EDT)

== Sequel series = splinter timelines? ==

Can you show me where this piece of information comes from? I have never heard of this idea before; doesn't it nullify the entire concept of continuities? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:10, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:I'm not saying I necessarily agree with this interpretation, but it doesn't nullify continuity. Series A happens, then series B happens as a sequel to A. A is definitely the past of B, but that doesn't mean B is the future of A. We have several instances of this happening, notably the Marvel G1 continuity. G2, A Distant Time & Place, Regeneration One, and Classics are all explicitly sequels to Marvel US G1, but are mutually incompatible. Hell, Beast Wars (the cartoon) was implicitly a sequel to both Marvel US G1 AND the Sunbow Cartoon. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:21, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::So then the U.S. ''Cybertron'' cartoon is not part of [[Aurex 802.23 Alpha]]? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:23, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
:::It is when it is. The events of the US cartoon are completely relevant -if not fundamental- to the rest of the events on this page. Universal streams are not completely separate timelines. They blend and weave into each other and flow from larger sources, like, you know, '''streams'''. A single cartoon can be part of multiple streams AND its own all at the same time. I swear, people just look at "OOH NUMBERS" and forget the accompanying text that gives context to the numbers, and trip over themselves to be soooooooo clever in splitting up shit. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 13:33, 15 May 2015 (EDT)
::::Well said. And let's be wary of letting the tail wag the dog here. The primary source text should always be, well, primary. Or, in other words, which are you going to believe, your own eyes or something that was published in code in a source book (or in a Japanese Manga with a print run in the hundreds or the like.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 13:47, 15 May 2015 (EDT)

== Mandarin Names ==

Hello, thanks for adding information. However, please do change the spelling for Taiwanese Mandarin Name because the spelling in Taiwan is different from the Hanyu Pinyin in China. Thanks. :D --'''[[User:TX55|TX55]]'''''[[User talk:TX55|TALK]]'' 10:17, 24 May 2015 (EDT)

== Universal streams ==

Looks like we're both working on the same parts of the wiki at the same time. I'll take a break, I have homework anyway. Thanks for fixing up my code. I appreciate the help. (Even if I think you're wrong about Zarak.) --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 18:47, 26 June 2015 (EDT)

== List of characters whose dimensional classification is unknown ==

There's also [[Gaiacross]] and his components. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 15:07, 27 June 2015 (EDT)

== Shell Game characters ==

If this wiki now accepts that RID Optimus-redeco [[Defensor (OTFCC)|Defensor]] is [[Viron]], then is it alright to do the same to the other "[[Shell Game]]" universe characters? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 13:36, 29 July 2015 (EDT)

==Regeneration One==

Regeneration One is explicitly a sequel to Marvel G1 continuity and belongs sequentially after it in write-ups. That's how the stories are presented, that's how it was branded, that's how the creators want it, and that's how we've written it up. If you want to rearrange things, make a case on a relevant talk page.--[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 08:44, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:You're really imperious for somebody who just started editing two months ago. ("How the creators want it"? Do you have personal correspondence with Furman on wiki organization?) None of the pages you've reverted actually contain Marvel US G1, which Regeneration One is a sequel to. You are linking together fiction that has nothing to do with each other in regard to those characters. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:01, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::Sorry, I didn't realize that my tenure wasn't long enough to disagree with a six-month veteran like yourself. It's bizarre to not acknowledge that ReGeneration One and Marvel UK don't spring from the same tree and put leagues of fiction between them. And, if I'm "imperious," what are you? You're constantly changing around organizational elements with no discussion, based on whatever new scheme you've come up with. For someone whose been here well under a year, you certainly have strong opinions. I at least lurked for a long while to get the culture. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 15:03, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
:::There's a difference between disagreement and acting like the authority on wiki organization and article writeups because apparently you're the only one who lurked. "Organizational elements" have frequently changed based on users' whims; section reorganization isn't anything new and the last major one was done purely by two users without input from others. In regards to MUK and RG1, it's not the job of character pages to establish points of continuity that aren't relevant to the actual subject of the article. The various versions of Jhiaxus have absolutely nothing to do with each other and putting them under one "continuity" is a ridiculous pretense with no benefit. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:26, 11 August 2015 (EDT)
::::Separating RG1 (and Classics) into their own sections would be a major change to a large number of pages and there's been no discussion about it. If you want to do it, there should be talk first so everyone else knows what's going on. [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 21:28, 11 August 2015 (GMT)
::::: And I've asked about it on http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal#Reorganising_Regeneration_One to see what people think. If it's ayes, then it's off to the edits! [[User:Charles RB|Charles RB]] ([[User talk:Charles RB|talk]]) 23:15, 11 August 2015 (GMT)

==Characters with no confirmed universal origin==

Question... have we not specified [[Ramulus|Longhorn (Universe)]] and [[Sunstorm (Universe)]]? Just want to be sure I'm not missing something. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:26, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:No, I just forgot to update. Sorry! [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:27, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
::Thank you, your list is a handy reference.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 14:34, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Whilst this is being talked about, it's probably worth noting that RTS Strafe hasn't ''reeeaaaally'' had its universe confirmed - it was merged with G1 Strafe for some convoluted reason during the 'AOE Strafe is a counterpart of G1 Strafe' debacle and probably should've been unmerged after all that nonsense was undone. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 16:16, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
:I'm mostly fine with just assuming he's G1 based on context, but I'd send in a question if you want confirmation. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:30, 17 August 2015 (EDT)
Hey, Saix, should ''Universe'' 2003 [[Smokescreen (Cybertron)|Smokescreen (unreleased)]] be on your list as well? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:21, 17 August 2015 (EDT)

== BW Metals manga ==

Do you still have the BW Metals manga scans? The links on the talk page are dead. --[[User:FortMax|FortMax]] ([[User talk:FortMax|talk]]) 16:48, 13 September 2015 (EDT)
:[http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/0t4p8rcK/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/dWpVVb7v/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ZXqkMXea/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/ch91fgKi/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/M6MwWTaV/file.html], [http://www77.zippyshare.com/v/jCLxuohn/file.html] [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:54, 14 September 2015 (EDT)

==Italics==
Hey, man, saw you unitalicizing [[Ask Vector Prime]]. I don't really care one way or the other, but I seem to see it italicized a lot. Is there a policy or system to this? --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:06, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
:AVP isn't a work or a franchise, so it doesn't get italicized. It's something like {{w|Dear Abby}}—a column. Chicago style of editing says columns don't get either quotation marks or italics. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:13, 24 September 2015 (EDT)
::That's fine for me going forward. There's a LOT of AVP where it's in italics though. If you're ever feeling like a quest, rooting them all out might be worth doing. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:15, 24 September 2015 (EDT)

==Gong==
Knock it off. It's fine the way it is now. Stop reverting each other. --[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] ([[User talk:Jimsorenson|talk]]) 12:43, 26 September 2015 (EDT)

You were right. I was wrong. Making all the Guardians and Renegades convinced me of that. I apologize to you for my childishness. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 13:01, 26 October 2015 (EDT)
:Not needed, but thank you nonetheless for the apology. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 15:30, 26 October 2015 (EDT)

== Stealth Bomber ==

I see that you put a redlink to [[Stealth Bomber]] on [[Stealth Saber]] and [[Victory Bomber]]'s pages. Did you intend that someone else would pick that redlink up to create a page for Stealth Bomber or did you think that Stealth Bomber didn't merit an individual page? I've wondered about such a thing as we have an individual page for RiD [[Dreadwing (RID)|Dreadwing]] but not for BWII [[Formation Scream]], G2 Megatron+Starscream, and G2 Dreadwing+Smokescreen. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 23:31, 27 October 2015 (EDT)
:I think it warrants a page, hence the link. I was just too lazy to make that page in particular. Formation Scream should also get its own page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 08:57, 28 October 2015 (EDT)

== Disagreements ==

I saw what you wrote on the Community Portal. I can't speak for others but, though we often disagree, I do value your input and perspective. Also, it makes the times we do agree that much more meaningful. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 16:58, 2 November 2015 (EST)
:Speaking of, there's a contentious GoBots issue on Community Portal, should screen captures be included for character pages or not. I would be interested to hear you weigh in. --[[User:Giggidy|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy|talk]]) 09:07, 3 November 2015 (EST)

== Devisiun ==
I understand you may not like the speculative tone, but was it really necessary to also delete the plausible explanation that the secondary star may be encased in a [[wikipedia:dyson sphere|Dyson sphere]]? After all, the text clearly refer to a double star and one of the celestial body represented seems to produce a lot of light. (Besides having spot the same color than the "single" star of said same picture.) Damn... I was only trying to be thorough and objective. How could I contact Scott online so that the answer would be considered by this wiki? -- [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 06:11, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:I'm not Saix, but to quote the [[Help:Contents|wiki's main help page]]: "Speculation to fill gaps should be minimized, and preferably eliminated entirely." It's fine to note the inconsistency, but an extended account of possible explanations is unnecessary. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 06:46, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:Understood. Thanks, I'll sleep better now. But I'm still going to run a Tranformers RPG campaign and feel that this question may deserve an answer. So the second part of my inquiry remains. Since I will try to ask, where and how such a thing should be done so that the information could validly be forwarded on this wiki? [[User:Xunk16|Xunk16]] ([[User talk:Xunk16|talk]]) 07:04, 16 December 2015 (EST)
::Scott has Twitter and Tumblr accounts you can engage her on. But, honestly? You're looking for complexity where there isn't any. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 16 December 2015 (EST)
:::I have to agree. Most casual sci-fi fans don't know what Dyson spheres are, and the concept has never featured in ''Transformers'', as far as I'm aware. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 09:15, 16 December 2015 (EST)

== Your JG1 timeline list ==

Hey, that list on your user page is awesome and really helpful. Though, the Prime AM-28 Leo Prime bio also contains some JG1 info, set post-BWN before he jumps over to Uniend (or over to Gargent, then Nexus, then finally Uniend, as claimed by AVP, but I digress). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 13:36, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:Thanks for the reminder. I mostly constructed it so I would have something to check when organizating fiction sections. Let me know if I'm missing anything else. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:31, 18 December 2015 (EST)
::Will do. EDIT: Tale of the Pretenders is missing. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 14:53, 18 December 2015 (EST)
:The G1 GoBots thing might or might not come before Car Robots in a present day sense as the Spychangers came from the future anyway, so the GoBots bio would simply have to come before whatever point in time the Spychangers traveled back in time from. Though, given how things like Binaltech, RobotMasters, and Kiss Players all take place in the timeline at points contemporary to their releases in the real world, perhaps the G1 GoBots bio does as well, taking place somewhere in 2004 (in hindsight, I wish I had asked Sakamoto about this).
:On a different note, the bios for e-HOBBY New Years Lambor and Alert are missing, which should probably go after G-2 but before the two post-G-2 e-HOBBY manga. Also the bio for Magnificus and Ga'mede and the bio for Generations Magnificus, the latter of which would go prior to Badlands, while the former... somewhere years earlier (not sure where, though). And the bios for e-HOBBY Crosscut and Road Rage, which would most likely go after the Super Spychangers but before Binaltech. Any other missing e-HOBBY bios can be found [http://www.e-hobbymagazine.com/category/english/museun_en here] (barring those that lack links, that is). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:19, 22 April 2016 (EDT)

== Italics in establishment names ==

From what I've researched, I have to agree that establishment names aren't capitalized. However, that's how [[The Blue Deployer]] is rendered in the ''TransTech'' text stories. Think that's worth noting under "Errors"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:16, 19 December 2015 (EST)
:I guess. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:17, 19 December 2015 (EST)

== Just to avoid any edit wars over pastel horses... ==
I understand that the captions are about humor over anything else, but maybe the caption should at least be a ''little'' less confrontational in tone? I'm not against humor in the article itself, but that opening caption's not exactly ''good'' humor. It's more mean-spirited than simple jokeyness that this wiki thrives upon; so I decided that a joke about Bumblebee's kid-appeal nature (and thus perceptiveness to what's popular with kids) would be a bit less potentially divisive overall, and less likely to appear mean-spirited.

I expect that sort of tone in the articles for stuff like B.O.T, The Beast or Kiss Players, the really awful, terrible stuff we ''have'' to rip into pieces because of how bad they are, not an article on My Little Pony. It's kind of like opening, say, a Soundwave article by poking fun at his speech with a disabled joke in his first image caption because of his speech pattern; it's ''easy'' and can get a few laughs, but overall it's just not worth it because not everyone will find such jokes to be really funny. And above all else, I'd like to think that we as a community are above those sorts of cheap jokes just for a few laughs.

Not trying to come off as indignant here, honest. I'm just wondering if maybe the caption joke isn't really good in any capacity. And if a caption isn't funny, then really, we shouldn't defend it just because of longevity. We obviously need the funny to stay, but to ignore potentially valid points just for the sake of a joke seems...well, kind of odd for this Wiki. We're jokey, but nowhere unappropriate have I seen the wiki's captions actually being ''that'' harsh towards a subject.

It's also a jarring shift in tone to go from "Only the dead can know peace from this evil" as an opening caption to "Don't go looking for the Tooth Fairy without it!" as the next caption down the page. They're both aiming for humor, but one's more "Ha-ha look at this silly situation!" and the other is more "Ha-ha let's make a "ponies are evil" joke because it's teh funnies!".

Again, not wanting to look entitled; but I'm curious about why the edit was reverted so quickly. [[User:MaximalBroadjaw|MaximalBroadjaw]] ([[User talk:MaximalBroadjaw|talk]]) 00:48, 27 December 2015 (EST)

== SPOILERS ==

Please remember to use the Spoiler warning template when adding new material. I just stumbled across information you added to [[Lio Convoy]] about [[Sunrise]] before I had a chance to read it. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 08:56, 8 January 2016 (EST)
:I apologize. I'll try to remember not to do that again. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:08, 8 January 2016 (EST)

== Moving images ==

Sorry about that. I thought it was a more efficient use of space to align the tops of the images with the headers. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 20:55, 12 January 2016 (EST)

==About Grimlock==
They're both from Viron universes, and both technically part of the [[Transformers: Robots in Disguise (2001 franchise)|2001 Robots in Disguise]] continuity.
Someone could be all like, "Wait, I though RID's Grimlock was a big green backhoe. Who's this Dinosaur?"
Imagine if there were two Optimus Primes in one continuity, even if they looked completely different, would it not be within reason to distinct the two from one another?{{unsigned|PsychoShark}}
:Your hypothetical is ridiculous. Explain to me the process in which this situation would arise. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 19:01, 25 January 2016 (EST)
:Plus the disambig link at the top already exists. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 19:05, 25 January 2016 (EST)

While going through my talk page, I noticed that PsychoShark mentioned that the [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Grimlock_(Dinobots)&diff=next&oldid=1048629 note] he added to [[Grimlock (Dinobots)]] was based on a similar note from [[Slapper (Dinobots)]]. Seeing as how we've deemed the other one unnecessary, I thought you might want to remove the one on Slapper's page. -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 07:44, 7 February 2016 (EST)

== Universal origins list ==

If it's of interest to you for your user page list, I've seen that [[Nitpick]], [[Comet]], [[Beamer (Autobot)|Beamer]], [[NightViper]], [[Kickstart]], [[Heavyfoot]], [[Ironclad]], [[Fastbreak]], [[Aston]], [[Miss-Q]], "[[Kamen Rider Amazon]]", [[Time Limit]], [[Clutch (GoBots)|Clutch]], and [[Warpath (GoBots)|Warpath]] all have indeterminate cluster origin, albeit that they're all intentionally ambiguous and/or their origins are unlikely to ever be revisited. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 22:57, 27 January 2016 (EST)

== eptitle ==

With screencaps for episodes whose titles have been disambiguated, you can use the "eptitle" parameter to set the text of the link different from the actual link. For example, with [[Volcano (episode)]] from RID, you would put

'''<nowiki>{{RID2001cap|description.|Volcano (episode)|</nowiki>1|eptitle=Volcano}}'''.

Then, the link will show up like this:
[[Volcano (episode)|Volcano]]

Nice work on all that cleanup, by the way. Cheers! -[[User:Foffy the Sheep|Foffy the Sheep]] ([[User talk:Foffy the Sheep|talk]]) 20:33, 1 March 2016 (EST)

== Dinosaurs ==

Okay, examples to try and clarify:
*火星 means "Mars". The kanji, treated separately, are literally rendered as "Fire Planet", but still plainly mean "Mars". It's not just being used to "refer" to Mars, it's straight up the name the Japanese give to the celestial body the English call "Mars".
*固定電話 means "Landline Phone". The kanji, treated separately, render as "Hard-determined Electricity-talker".

As demonstrated in the dictionary entries I posted, Japanese dictionaries ''dont'' give readers the symbolic runaround that the Dinoforce pages were using -- they simply treat "Gairyuu" as the word for an Ankylosaurus. I suppose I may be being somewhat oversensitive, but choosing to render Japanese words in a symbolic breakdown like that, contrary to how it's intended to be interpreted, feels a lot like refusing to acknowledge that it even ''has'' words for these concepts, and feels kind of Tarzanesque? I don't feel it's removing information, since to a Japanese speaker, Gairyuu doesn't ''mean'' "Armored Dragon" -- it means Ankylosaurus, just like to an English speaker (or Greek, if you want), Ankylosaurus doesn't "fused lizard", it means a type of dinosaur with an armored back and club tail --fused lizard is just the root of the name.

In addition, while many Japanese names for Dinosaur use "ryuu" in a similar manner to how English uses "saur", "ryuu" itself does not mean dinosaur, nor are dinosaur called "ryuu" -- as with English, they are instead called "恐竜", or "Ferocious dragon". I mean, "-saur" would be a workable translation of "ryuu", no complaints, but as in English "saur" is used to refer to more than just dinosaurs (e.g. Pterosaurs, Plesiosaurs, etc.) And in fact, Pterosaurs and Plesiosaurs include 竜 in their Japanese rendering.

I definitely see the value in retaining the kanji meanings here, especially if that's a thing we're going to be doing with characters like Triceradon, too. But I think we should make it clear that those are the ''root'' of the names, rather than treating the Japanese names as if they don't have specific direct meanings that a Japanese speaker would recognize.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] ([[User talk:KrytenKoro|talk]]) 01:11, 2 March 2016 (EST)

== Image of Comet ==

I see that you have uploaded good quality images from almost every Club story PDF. Is there any reason you haven't got the one of dead [[Comet]] in "[[Withered Hope]]"? [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 16:58, 15 March 2016 (EDT)

==Other Decepticons==
Why can't you just leave that link in, it works perfectly well, and dont forget they also are alchemor inmates. I dont see the problem with just having that there. - Junkheap117
:Stop fucking obsessing over this. They are not actual characters, and your overall antics are exhausting my patience. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:57, 21 March 2016 (EDT)

== Blackarachnia talk page ==

I understand talk pages are not chat rooms. The reason I posted that was because the article itself seems to question why the chest is transparent, so I thought that might explain it. I didn't just go and edit the page because I knew it would be undone. [[User:Avalanche|Avalanche]] ([[User talk:Avalanche|talk]]) 21:03, 10 April 2016 (EDT)

== Being last seen ==

Here's my take, for what it's worth. A ''good'' write-up is not a list of things that happened one after the other. A good write-up is a story unto itself. It is the story of that character, and it should read as "complete". And when the cartoon or comic adventures of that character stops abruptly - when a character's final appearance is as a face in a crowd and they receive no personal "finale" - then it's the job of the write-up to note that they "were last seen"/"last appeared"/"made their final recorded appearance", etc, to bring that write-up's "story" to its end, instead of, essentially, just stopping in what reads as mid-story. The complete BWII write-up of the Autorollers just stops mid-story. It does not read as complete. At best, a reader's reaction is "Oh, huh, I guess that's it, then," instead of knowing that they are reading an end - but really, an less-informed reader has no reason to assume there isn't more just because there's isn't a stub saying so. We don't always have stubs! There shouldn't be any expectation on the reader to know that storylinked title is the final episode, if it even is. The write-up needs to say this is "the end" for that character. Yes, they return for a cameo in BWN, but that's a separate header. The were "last seen" during the battle on Gaea in that moment. It's no more "out of universe" than describing art or writing errors as "anomalous accounts" or "erroneous reports" is. I'm not getting into an edit war or even fighting to make this change; I'm just saying, it's pretty standard "handbook" write-up terminology, how I write mine, and how I will continue to write them. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 17:05, 25 April 2016 (EDT)

== Hey ==

Here's some more BotCon Diamond bios: http://postimg.org/gallery/7wuis1oc/27b9edf7/ [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 13:15, 1 June 2016 (EDT)
:Cool, thanks. I'll have a look when I get home. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:37, 1 June 2016 (EDT)

== Can you identify anyone else? ==

So regarding the new in-development Transformers Online, I stumbled across a trailer of some characters and skills in action. Right now, I can only make out Jazz, Bumblebee, and probably Swindle. Can you tell if the rest of the transformers in this video resemble any other character? Thanks! --[[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 19:01, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qFTeBn-BS8

== Dinobot (RID) article ==

the dinobot were reference in prime season 3 were they not? RID 2015 is the sequel to prime is it not. so why are not adding prime to that page. Yes they were only reference. but still though wouldn't it make more sense for that cartoon in that dinobot section. i mean are more a sequel to the game when you stop to think about it. Also there is no evidence supporting the fact were referring to the fall of cybertron version of the dinobots.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 04:29, 12 August 2016 (EDT)
:At the time that Miko and Bulkhead made that reference, the RID Dinobot subspecies didn't even exist yet. There was no way that the Prime cartoon was referencing something that never existed at the time that it made the reference. The FOC Dinobots, however, did exist, and were part of an active attempt to better unify the Aligned media between the games, the tie-in comics, and the Prime cartoon. Miko's and Bulkhead's Dinobots reference only makes sense in regards to the FOC Dinobots since they were only Aligned Dinobots that existed at the time the reference was made. What you're asking is for us to declare Miko's and Bulkhead's reference as having been retconned into referring to a subspecies that would not come into existence until later on, yet there has been no official media that has made such a retcon. We as fans have ZERO authority on such matters and are not going to start declaring our own unofficial retcons for virtually no other reason than "because we want to", as you seem to want us to do. Besides, Bulkhead's referring to Dinobots as something "Totally different" from how the Predacons were like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species makes no sense in regards to the RID Dinobots, since the RID Dinobots for all intents and purposes do very much seem to be like a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species while the FOC Dinobots were an artificially-created subgroup that very much does make them totally different from a natural Cybertronian dinosaur species. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 11:19, 12 August 2016 (EDT)

== [[Roboid]] [[Nook]] ==

Isn't it generally TFWiki's practice to ''point out'' Easter eggs, homages, and the like? --[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 05:10, 3 September 2016 (EDT)

== Regarding TFO edits ==

Saix, I know there is currently no official parameter and that it's not within the wiki's obligation to decide upon an arbitrary translation, but some of the transliterations, even by Chinese (BOTH Taiwanese and Mainland Chinese) standards, are just flat out nonsensical and frivolous. I hope you understand that there are multiple ways (via synonyms) to translate the hanzi, and I can speak from experience behind the screen as a bilingual Mandarin-English speaker, and as a professor's teaching assistant in Elementary Chinese irl. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 10:50, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:By transliteration, I assume you actually mean translation? I realize there is leeway in translation to convey the same idea in a different language, but some of your translations were still questionable and played too loose with the meaning of the hanzi, in my opinion. Take 命运之殇 in particular—I don't understand how you derived "war" out of it, unless you were going by Google translate, when it's a straightforward name based on the certain death it supposedly doles out (as opposed to "Destiny's War", which means absolutely nothing). Or how you got "Laser Wrench" from F型扳手. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:16, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
I didn't use Google Translate. I consulted with native speaking relatives and peers and utilized Systransoft.com as well as MDBG, which I find for both to be more adequate. Bluestreak's sniper rifle, from the hanzi I recognize, can have synonymous possibilities. Certainly, "Destiny" can be interchanged with "Fate", altho I will admit, the second half of the title can be considered as: "war casualty" or "death" in general. For the second example, there's clearly no resemblance to an actual F-Type Wrench whatsoever, so I find even calling that weapon an "F-Type" in practicality to be redundant. (I've been a workshop assistant for a good year or so, so I've been familiar enough with tools in the shed.) If anything, Wheeljack's Melee weapon is identified as a Pipe Wrench, so shame on Tencent for the misleading name. [[User:The Seeker|The Seeker]] ([[User talk:The Seeker|talk]]) 15:19, 14 September 2016 (EDT)
:A wiki is not the place for creative "translations" that basically are localizations. If the name is literally "F-type Wrench", then it's F-type Wrench, regardless of how much you think it makes sense. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:39, 14 September 2016 (EDT)

== Deluge ==

first of all, i know the story has deluge as both, but in most universe, he's and his decepticon counterpart are there own individual. i was trying to make that clear to the people reading that story, but you thought i was too stupid to realize that, i mean yes the blackout thing was stupid on my part. but seriously you could have easily edited it to say that this Deluge is a amalgam of both version.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 21:29, 28 December 2016 (EST)

== Missed the joke ==
While I appreciate the effort to correct errors on the page bearing my name ([[Mark Baker-Wright]]), it should be noted that the word "misspelled" was misspelled (as "mispelled") on purpose....--[[User:G.B. Blackrock|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock|talk]]) 18:21, 13 January 2017 (EST) (sorry to get to this so late. I actually don't go around looking at my own page that often)
:Ah, I was using an automated tool that does automatic corrections and wasn't really reading that closely. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 22:05, 13 January 2017 (EST)

==Model Numbers==
hey, i saw that you undid some of my edits for adding model numbers back into these wiki pages (apologies if i did it wrong!) - but how can we get these reinstated? that information is very useful, and should be on each of the main collection pages...

== Godbomber revision? ==

Why was my info deleted on the godbomber page? - [[User:Asda|Asda]] ([[User talk:Asda|talk]]) 11:28, 28 September 2017 (EDT)

== Don't revert my notes man ==

It's not needless my friend, it's just extra information that many Transformers fans I know would be happy to find on here. Please don't revert people's notes, even if you feel that it's "needless". If anything, I'm '''adding''' notes, not pruning them. Smh.
: Please stop adding notes. They're not good notes. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky|talk]]) 23:57, 1 January 2018 (EST)
::"Pruning" was what I was doing, and we are not obligated to store every passing thought you have. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:05, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== Run For Our Lives ==

Like you, my first instinct when I created the article was to use lower case for "for", as is grammatically correct, but the official title actually leaves it capitalized (see [https://www.go90.com/videos/37rr2B0WBM6 here]). By comparison, other TR episode titles that have conjunctions or articles choose to use lower case as normal ("Aftermath and Rebirth", "At the Last Second", etc.), so the capitalization of For stands out by comparison. Thus, technically, the title was more accurate as it was. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 12:35, 2 January 2018 (EST)
:I don't consider websites to be particularly authoritative in capitalization, especially when the actual "official title" in the episode itself is "RUN FOR OUR LIVES". People rarely remember every rule about how to capitalize titles, and we don't need to drive ourselves crazy accounting for every mistake some website has in rendering them. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:48, 2 January 2018 (EST)

== SG Fistfight, Insecticons ==

Why did you remove the note about SG Fistfight's deco? Do you dispute that it's true, that it's verifiable, or that it's noteworthy?

It's true that he's orange and black, as verified by [[Transhuman]]. As for it being noteworthy, ''This character has no official visual representation whatsoever... yet, at least'', so shouldn't we at least mention what we know about his physical appearance?

As for his sharing Tyrannitron's deco, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were Action Master partners of opposing factions, just like Skyfall and Banzai-Tron were Action Masters of opposing factions (so SG Skyfall got G1 Banzai-Tron's deco), the Technobots and Terrorcons were combiners of opposing factions (so the SG teams swapped decos), etc. Moreover, G1 Fistfight and Tyrannitron were partnered with Shockwave and a Dinobot, respectively, further emphasizing a rivalry for SG to flip around.

If you look at almost any SG character's article, we typically note what inspired or seems to have inspired that character's deco, even if it is unconfirmed.

Speaking of unconfirmed, why does everyone insist that ''Generation 1 Zaptrap was officially repurposed as Shattered Glass Shrapnel'' if his only appearance colors him like someone else? i'd appreciate your comments [[File_talk:Insecticons_SG.jpg|here]], please.

--[[User:Rhymus|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus|talk]]) 04:50, 14 January 2018 (EST)

== Crossformers/Pretenders ==

I get that Japan never identified the Crossformers (or the Dinoforce) as Pretenders, but the TransTech story "Gone Too Far" does refer to Black Shadow as both a Crossformer and a Pretender, with Hubcap referring to him as "some kind of ''Pretender''!", Jackpot asking "Who ever heard of a Pretender with a ''robotic'' shell? I hate this universe!", and the narration reading "He had hoped that the Pretender’s focus would be split between controlling both the shell and his own body." Granted, all three of these could arguably be just from the perspective of those two Autobots, using a term that's familiar to them to refer to a kind of Transformer they've never encountered before, but I figured it was at least worth pointing out. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 17:04, 19 January 2018 (EST)

== Hi! Cylas here. ==

Are you just following me and undoing my (admittedly) "sub-par" edits? Also, if/when you do, could you give a reason? And your comments sometimes hurt my feelings. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User Talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 6:54 PM (MST)

And for your information, Aligned is, according to this wiki, a continuity family. It doesn't have an official name, but go to the family's [[Aligned continuity family|page]] and see for yourself everything that it encompasses. The Covenant of Primus and the Novels and Prime and Robots in Disguise and Rescue Bots and War for Cybertron and Fall of Cybertron. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:11, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
*Edit: I should have actually read the article before I wrote that comment. Yes, the Aligned family has some inconsistencies. Yes, it can be interpreted as several similar universes that don't necessarily line up. But Aligned is still a continuity family, and the inconsistencies are worth noting.
**Edit to the edit: Forgot to sign. [[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 00:19, 6 April 2018 (EDT)
:Okay Saix. I can handle the Novel trilogy as not being in the same universe as Prime. But RID is a ''direct sequel'' to Prime. Okay, maybe my thing with Thunderhoof wasn't good. But that doesn't change the fact that Prime and RID are in the same universe. -[[User:Cylasbreakdown|Cylasbreakdown]] ([[User talk:Cylasbreakdown|talk]]) 18:35, 9 May 2018 (EDT)

== Stop undoing my edits ==

You are just removing everything I post at this point, most of them without even stating why. Stop it. This isn't your website. I have just as much right to contribute as you. And I'm allowed to make jokes: rule 1 of this wiki: the funny stays. If you keep doing this, I'm taking it to the moderators.
* Edit: Leave my posts alone. Anything you delete, I'm just going to put back. I've had enough of you trying to bully me off this site. And from the look of this page I'm not the only one.

== Legends chapter 53 ==

I think that the in the top right panel of page 2, the guys protecting Dinobot, Tigatron, and Cheetor are ''Device Label'' Grimlock, ''Prime'' Arcee, and ''Disney Label'' Mickey Mouse. Also Maybe Diabattles with Rhinox? Also possibly Cybertron Optimus in supermode sticking his feet in right above Windblade. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 19:19, 9 August 2018 (EDT)

== Chinese names ==
Hello,I'm user IDWchromedome.These Chinese names(okay,most) really come from hasbro officials,I admit a few are not,I will be careful later.I have a Chinese Dreamwave Illustrations book.This book is officially licensed by Hasbro,most are written according to that book.and I'm Chinese.As you can see,My English level is very bad,So I don't know you can understand what I'm saying.I hope you can understand,if I offended you,I'm sorry.

== M'Ress ==

I'd just like to take this moment to explicitly thank you for [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=M%27Ress&diff=1288196&oldid=1288175 fixing] my glaring omission from M'Ress's introduction. I don't know how such a mistake escaped my notice. --[[User:Andrusi|Andrusi]] ([[User talk:Andrusi|talk]]) 10:10, 27 September 2018 (EDT)

== Could you move all the info for Cyberverse McDonalds to G1 ==

I didn't know the McDonalds toys were G1 not Cyberverse. Could you move all those McDonalds entries from the Cyberverse pages to G1 pages then? Be sure to edit any pictures and the fast food promotion and McDonalds page as well. Or you can just wait until later where I'll probably do it, I dunno. [[User:Notirishman|--notirishman]] ([[User talk:Notirishman|talk]]) 22:41, 13 October 2018 (EDT)

== Why remove the new section in Twelve-of-Twelve? ==

Just wondering why you'd change it. In character synopsis articles we usually break up the character's history into smaller sections. In this case, literal millions of years have passed between the Lost Light's adventures in the Functionist universe and the arrival of Council-controlled Primus in the main universe. If anything necessitates the addition of a new section, it's this. Is the article just not long enough to be split up? Or is there some other reason?

Also, I'd like to bring your attention to my questions on the [[Talk:Functionist Council|Functionist Council talk page]]. Is it okay to copy-paste that same paragraph in the other members' articles? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 13:54, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
:Because we don't "usually" do that; only in long IDW subartciles, which Twelve isn't. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:08, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
::Okay, that's what I thought. What about my second question? [[User:Genitus|Genitus]] ([[User talk:Genitus|talk]]) 14:48, 17 October 2018 (EDT)
==Why did you change the acid storm (Cyberverse) page==
the discussion agree that till thing are sorted out we try gender-neutral pronoun (Like what Simon Furman did). yes there was the episode but that could have been a script error.--[[User:Projectus|Projectus]] ([[User talk:Projectus|talk]]) 17:26, 29 October 2018 (EDT)

== Legal drinking age ==

Nope. Wyoming did not raise its drinking age until 1 July 1988 while Louisiana had raised its but had enacted a loophole that basically left the age at 18. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 07:59, 23 April 2019 (EDT)

== BW Megatron edits ==

Hi, I'd just like to apologize for overfixating on sneaking in complaints about Masterpiece Megatron's Japanese voicebox. I made the mistake of thinking that the wiki's informal tone gives people leave to treat it like a TV Tropes YMMV page, and I based most of those edits on YouTube comments that I saw that affirmed my own opinion at the time (that is, that the Japanese voice box drives the price up merely to affirm that the toy represents a wackier and less threatening version of the character that is absolutely not my literal David Kaye-voiced husbando).

I should absolutely find other things to edit, to focus on useful information (such as poseability, objective comparisons between figures, etc.) rather than using the wiki to vent my salt boner. (As for my previous opinion, I'm starting to realize that Chiba's voice clips probably didn't inflate Megs' price ''that'' much, since MP Dinobot comes with no sound gimmick and is nearly as expensive.) --[[User:Samus Aran|Samus Aran]] ([[User talk:Samus Aran|talk]]) 00:36, 23 May 2019 (EDT)

== RBA and Prime Hot Shot ==

Hey, OK sorry if I made that change, but the new Hot Shot is small and young (maybe one of the cybertronians born after the core's rebirth. So, please, he's obviously a separate character from Prime Hot Shot.
[[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 17:57, 03 June 2019
: He's not for our categorization purposes. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 08:22, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::Oh really? Aren't also Grimlock, Sideswipe and Whirl for your categorization purposes? [[User:RoboWarriorPrime|RoboWarriorPrime]] ([[User talk:RoboWarriorPrime|talk]]) 08:42, 04 June 2019
:::We have official material that states those three are entirely different characters from the ones that appeared in WFC/Prime. Just think of Hot Shot's Prime design as a different "version" of the same character, like G1 Megatron in the comics versus G1 Megatron in the cartoon. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 09:28, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
::::I agree with RoboWarrior. Hot Shot and Whirl are almost identical situations of pre-existing veteran Wreckers being distinct from new recruits in Rescue Bots Academy. And the original decisions to split Grimlock, Sideswipe, and Kickback were not based on word from "official material". Not sure where you got that from. --[[User:Xaaron|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron|talk]]) 09:38, 4 June 2019 (EDT)
Please hash it out on [[Talk:Hot Shot (Prime)]]. My issue was that somebody came out of nowhere and split a page. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 09:52, 4 June 2019 (EDT)

== Transmutate (character) to Transmutate (G1) ==

Thanks for catching that one. Given how rarely non-characters have franchise tag disambiguations as opposed to "story", "episode", "polity", etc., I felt that we were more likely doing a disservice to our users by insisting on not giving Paddles the (G1) disambig. I hadn't even noticed that the same situation applied to Transmutate. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 11:47, 13 September 2019 (EDT)

==Transformers references==

I was looking for someone to ask: when is something a reference, then? I was operating under the impression that something like, say, ''Cyberverse'' Shockwave threatens to take over the Decepticons when nearly every cartoon version of the character has been a staunch loyalist (except for ''Energon'' Shockblast) would be surprising to people who don't know about the character's comic history.

== Solid Snake and Simon Belmont ==

I was going to add a note about Snake and Simon ending up in another fighting game together, but stopped after seeing the edit history. You stated that "Now that it's not a unique thing, it's not worth noting." To my understanding, they're the only two characters who have articles on this wiki that ended up in ''Smash Bros.'', especially since they both ended up in the same game. What is it about this that makes it not unique or unnoteworthy as trivia? I'm not necessarily against the decision, but am curious about the reason. --[[User:King Starscream|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream|talk]]) 16:01, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
:[[Ryu]], [[Ken]] and [[Inkling]] are playable in Smash too. And [[Bomberman]] is an assist trophy. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:09, 8 October 2019 (EDT)
::That and it's not really a trivia point relevant to ''Transformers''. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:44, 8 October 2019 (EDT)

== Super Megatron notes ==

Stuck on mobile right now, so I cant really do it myself, but, several notes:

1. I think the "native humanoids" are younger versions of White Leo and White Lune

2. The "Omega Sentinel"'s details match up more with Titans Return Astrotrain more than Energon Omega's mold [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 09:32, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:Thanks for catching the Astrotrain thing. I'm waiting till the comic confirms that the cat people are Beastformers, because the details don't match up just yet. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 14:00, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
::One more thing; should the Frenzy/Rumble mold just go on Frenzy's page, seeing as it's almost certainly not JG1 Frenzy, and that he's based more on the toy than the animation model? [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 16:15, 8 April 2020 (EDT)
:::I approached it from the Japanese perspective, so I just put him on the page with blue cartoon guy, but I suppose it doesn't really matter where. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:26, 8 April 2020 (EDT)

== About official Chinese release ==

Excuse me. 黑狗队/HēiGǒuDuì was a translated Chinese name and in an official Chinese release of the comic. So...can it be added?

Gilthor

2020-07-08T03:41:02Z

Yinwuzhe1: /* Foreign names */

{{factions|quintesson|decepticon}}
:''Gilthor is a [[Quintesson]] creation from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:Guiltaur.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I was [[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]] ''before'' it was cool!]]

The Colossal Cannon Soldier '''Gilthor''' (ギルトール ''Girutōru'')<ref>https://twitter.com/KanedaMasumi/status/1137684436172980224</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/KanedaMasumi/status/1137835630145093632</ref> is a bizarre, vicious fusion of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], built by the [[Quintesson]]s. Created from the same [[Cybertonium]] alloys which made Optimus Prime so resilient, and boasting a Destrogun many times more powerful than Megatron's [[fusion cannon]], his combat power exceeds his predecessors' in nearly every way.

Gilthor, however, is ultimately a lifeless shell, animated by the ghost of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], causing him to succumb to the same weaknesses as the Decepticon jet.

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Transformers 2010'' story pages====
When the [[Quintesson]]s stole [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Dark Awakening (episode)|dead body and brought it back to life as a rampaging zombie]], they used his specifications to help create Gilthor. Teaming with the [[Decepticon]]s, they also obtained [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s specifications, completing their work of art.

Built with the same [[Cybertonium]] alloy as Prime and boasting a Destrogun more powerful than Megatron's [[fusion cannon]], Gilthor was also built to be able to combine his Destrogun with his shoulder artillery and Active Revolver to create the super destructive "Bazooka Storm" attack. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (story page)|A Mysterious Decepticon Soldier Appears. He is the Colossal Cannon Soldier Gilthor!}}

====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''====
[[File:Gilthor-vehicle.jpg|left|180px|thumb|It's a better truck mode than THS Convoy, at least]]

Gilthor rose from the sea off Japan, seeking out [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], who was engaged in a one-on-one battle with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. Just as Rodimus appeared to gain a decisive victory over his enemy, Gilthor attacked Rodimus from behind with a variety of artillery modes, sending the Autobot leader flying. As it turned out, the one-on-one showdown Galvatron had invited Rodimus Prime to was in reality a trap.

[[File:Gilthor-revolverlaser.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Here's your tickets to the GUN SHOW.]]

Galvatron revealed that Gilthor was a Transformer created by the Quintessons, who had risen up the ranks of the Decepticons... because apparently, Galvatron doesn't have any accumulated memory whatsoever. As Galvatron gloated over his fallen enemy, praising Gilthor's obedience, Gilthor snuck behind him and attacked, savagely beating Galvatron and kicking him to where Rodimus had fallen. His true intentions were revealed: Gilthor was gunning for leadership of the Decepticons, which even a concussed box turtle could have seen coming. But not Galvatron.

Down, Galvatron revealed to Rodimus that Gilthor was built using the combined skills and essences of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], making him a most formidable adversary. With no other choice but to cooperate, the two faction leaders teamed up against their new common foe. Rodimus transformed into vehicle mode and rammed the unsuspecting Gilthor, Galvatron following-up with a blast in cannon mode. The two then joined in a combined "Galvatron/Rodimus Kick", destroying Gilthor's body. Much to their surprise, Starscream's ghost floated free of the shattered chassis. As if to rub it in his face, Rodimus reminded Galvatron that, obviously, the Quintessons could not be trusted. The two went their separate ways for now, both too weak from Gilthor's attacks to continue the fight. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 4|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #4}}
{{-}}

===''Kre-O'' comic===
[[File:Guitaur Kre-O Character Image.jpg|75px|thumb]]

Gilthor participated in an attack led by [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]] to conquer Autobot City. {{storylink|Two Giant Bases! Everybody Getting Along, Come On, Fight!}}
{{--}}

==Notes==
[[Image:GuiltorPrelim01.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Mega-mouth!]]
*For years, there was no "official" word on either the origin or the [[Romanization]] of the character's name (as there are any number of ways to spell it from the katakana, with variations of "Guiltaur" being the most commonly-used). When asked on Twitter in 2019, Gilthor's co-creator [[Masumi Kaneda]] stated that he was inspired to name the character after an evil submarine (also ギルトール ''Girutōru'') from an old Japanese superhero show called ''{{w|National Kid}}''. He further proposed that, in English, the name be interpreted as a combination of "Gil" (the man's name) and "[[Thor]]" (the god, although using a non-English pronunciation closer to "Tor").
* Gilthor's preliminary head design did not feature Optimus Prime's faceplate; effectively, he looked like [[Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|Megatron wearing an Optimus hat]]! The early name of Gilthor in the conceptual art is "Convotron", a portmanteau of "'''Convo'''y" and "Mega'''tron'''".
*Like all non-toy robot Kreons in the ''Kre-O'' comics, Gilthor is made from existing ''Kre-O'' parts. He uses the [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]] helmet and presumably smokestacks (doubling as extra arsenal), backpack-pieces to hold the smokestacks, and the [[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]] arm-rifles. Due to the small image of his so-far solitary appearance and being partially obstructed by [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], the identity of the precise pieces are uncertain.

===Foreign names===
*''Mandarin:'' '''GàiTiānWēi''' (China, 盖天威, "More powerful than Optimus Prime and Megatron")

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 drones]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Quintessons]]

Gilthor

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Yinwuzhe1:

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:''Gilthor is a [[Quintesson]] creation from the [[Generation 1 continuity family]].''

[[Image:Guiltaur.jpg|right|300px|thumb|I was [[Nemesis Prime (disambiguation)|Nemesis Prime]] ''before'' it was cool!]]

The Colossal Cannon Soldier '''Gilthor''' (ギルトール ''Girutōru'')<ref>https://twitter.com/KanedaMasumi/status/1137684436172980224</ref><ref>https://twitter.com/KanedaMasumi/status/1137835630145093632</ref> is a bizarre, vicious fusion of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], built by the [[Quintesson]]s. Created from the same [[Cybertonium]] alloys which made Optimus Prime so resilient, and boasting a Destrogun many times more powerful than Megatron's [[fusion cannon]], his combat power exceeds his predecessors' in nearly every way.

Gilthor, however, is ultimately a lifeless shell, animated by the ghost of [[Starscream (G1)|Starscream]], causing him to succumb to the same weaknesses as the Decepticon jet.

==Fiction==
===Japanese Generation 1 cartoon continuity===
====''Transformers 2010'' story pages====
When the [[Quintesson]]s stole [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]]'s [[Dark Awakening (episode)|dead body and brought it back to life as a rampaging zombie]], they used his specifications to help create Gilthor. Teaming with the [[Decepticon]]s, they also obtained [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]]'s specifications, completing their work of art.

Built with the same [[Cybertonium]] alloy as Prime and boasting a Destrogun more powerful than Megatron's [[fusion cannon]], Gilthor was also built to be able to combine his Destrogun with his shoulder artillery and Active Revolver to create the super destructive "Bazooka Storm" attack. {{storylink|Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010 (story page)|A Mysterious Decepticon Soldier Appears. He is the Colossal Cannon Soldier Gilthor!}}

====''The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers''====
[[File:Gilthor-vehicle.jpg|left|180px|thumb|It's a better truck mode than THS Convoy, at least]]

Gilthor rose from the sea off Japan, seeking out [[Hot Rod (G1)|Rodimus Prime]], who was engaged in a one-on-one battle with [[Galvatron (G1)|Galvatron]]. Just as Rodimus appeared to gain a decisive victory over his enemy, Gilthor attacked Rodimus from behind with a variety of artillery modes, sending the Autobot leader flying. As it turned out, the one-on-one showdown Galvatron had invited Rodimus Prime to was in reality a trap.

[[File:Gilthor-revolverlaser.jpg|right|180px|thumb|Here's your tickets to the GUN SHOW.]]

Galvatron revealed that Gilthor was a Transformer created by the Quintessons, who had risen up the ranks of the Decepticons... because apparently, Galvatron doesn't have any accumulated memory whatsoever. As Galvatron gloated over his fallen enemy, praising Gilthor's obedience, Gilthor snuck behind him and attacked, savagely beating Galvatron and kicking him to where Rodimus had fallen. His true intentions were revealed: Gilthor was gunning for leadership of the Decepticons, which even a concussed box turtle could have seen coming. But not Galvatron.

Down, Galvatron revealed to Rodimus that Gilthor was built using the combined skills and essences of [[Optimus Prime (G1)|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)|Megatron]], making him a most formidable adversary. With no other choice but to cooperate, the two faction leaders teamed up against their new common foe. Rodimus transformed into vehicle mode and rammed the unsuspecting Gilthor, Galvatron following-up with a blast in cannon mode. The two then joined in a combined "Galvatron/Rodimus Kick", destroying Gilthor's body. Much to their surprise, Starscream's ghost floated free of the shattered chassis. As if to rub it in his face, Rodimus reminded Galvatron that, obviously, the Quintessons could not be trusted. The two went their separate ways for now, both too weak from Gilthor's attacks to continue the fight. {{storylink|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers issue 4|The Story of Super Robot Lifeforms: The Transformers #4}}
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===''Kre-O'' comic===
[[File:Guitaur Kre-O Character Image.jpg|75px|thumb]]

Gilthor participated in an attack led by [[Megatron (Kre-O)|Megatron]] to conquer Autobot City. {{storylink|Two Giant Bases! Everybody Getting Along, Come On, Fight!}}
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==Notes==
[[Image:GuiltorPrelim01.jpg|right|200px|thumb|Mega-mouth!]]
*For years, there was no "official" word on either the origin or the [[Romanization]] of the character's name (as there are any number of ways to spell it from the katakana, with variations of "Guiltaur" being the most commonly-used). When asked on Twitter in 2019, Gilthor's co-creator [[Masumi Kaneda]] stated that he was inspired to name the character after an evil submarine (also ギルトール ''Girutōru'') from an old Japanese superhero show called ''{{w|National Kid}}''. He further proposed that, in English, the name be interpreted as a combination of "Gil" (the man's name) and "[[Thor]]" (the god, although using a non-English pronunciation closer to "Tor").
* Gilthor's preliminary head design did not feature Optimus Prime's faceplate; effectively, he looked like [[Endgame Pt. III: Seeds of the Future|Megatron wearing an Optimus hat]]! The early name of Gilthor in the conceptual art is "Convotron", a portmanteau of "'''Convo'''y" and "Mega'''tron'''".
*Like all non-toy robot Kreons in the ''Kre-O'' comics, Gilthor is made from existing ''Kre-O'' parts. He uses the [[Optimus Prime (Kre-O)|Optimus Prime]] helmet and presumably smokestacks (doubling as extra arsenal), backpack-pieces to hold the smokestacks, and the [[Starscream (Kre-O)|Starscream]] arm-rifles. Due to the small image of his so-far solitary appearance and being partially obstructed by [[Sixshot (G1)|Sixshot]], the identity of the precise pieces are uncertain.

===Foreign names===
*''Mandarin:'' '''GaìTiānWēi''' (China, 盖天威, "More powerful than Optimus Prime and Megatron")

==References==
{{reflist}}

[[Category:Generation 1 Decepticons]]
[[Category:Generation 1 drones]]
[[Category:Kre-O Decepticons]]
[[Category:Kreons]]
[[Category:Quintessons]]