Talk:Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)

Laser Optimus Prime is technically not a "Laser Rod." How should we revise that part of this entry?--G.B. Blackrock 19:43, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

"(Note: The Generation 2 toyline exists in the Unicron Trilogy universe.)" Say what????--G.B. Blackrock 21:11, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Cyber Key Data. Shortround owns G2 Defensor and Menasor. - RolonBolon 21:16, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

So, you're saying it exists as a toyline in the UT universe? That's not at all clear from the line as it stands.--G.B. Blackrock 21:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

You're joking, right? I'm not sure how to put it more succinctly. "The Generation 2 toyline (the toyline) exists in the Unicron Trilogy universe, as a toyline"? --ItsWalky 06:13, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

I just wanna know where he got G2 Hot Spot and Motormaster... -Andrusi 06:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

Releases by country?

We have a note on this page that says: "The following list is ordered by year, then country (USA, Japan, or Europe). Toys appearing exclusively in one region will be listed only in that region. Toys from the USA are worldwide, unless otherwise stated." However we don't seem to have actually put any information regarding the Japanese and European releases. The only exception I know of is G2 Megatron not being released in Japan until BW II (per Megastorm's page) but there must be more differences. Is there a site somewhere with a list of the European and Japanese releases? --Tigerpaw28 13:48, 1 March 2010 (EST)

Exclusives and other later G2 toys

We have the 2012 G2 Bruticus listed but he's far from being the first or latest toy to be released as Generation 2, either explicitly like the CW repaints or the Bumble and Lambor Masterpieces, or more implicitly like G2 Dreadwing getting a new toy in the Generations line, not to mention all the G2 BotCon toys. Should we include them here, perhaps in a separate section underneath "Innovations and lasting effects" called something like "Post-cancellation revival"? --Emvee (talk) 17:33, 26 May 2016 (EDT)

Oh hey funny to see this semi-recent "shouldn't we update this bit" here. Because I'm looking at this page, and the European and Japanese G2 toyline pages, and my eye is twitching uncontrollably for some reason. --M Sipher (talk) 01:12, 6 November 2016 (EST)

• Applause* this is so much better organised than the txt file I have saved on my desktop. I was trying to do the post-G2 toys year by year and getting bogged down. Then looking at the Japanese exclusives and wondering if they shouldn't go on the Japanese G2 toy page... I appreciate the work you have done here. --Emvee (talk) 17:36, 8 November 2016 (EST)

Ball Joints

In the discussion of the 1995 line, it is asserted that "ball joints... would become the standard for Transformers toys up to the present day." I'm sure that was true at the time that statement was written, but is it still? We seem to have universal joints more often these days, it seems to me. But even if I'm right about that, I'm not at all sure when ball joints started to phase out. Does anyone have better memory than I on this issue?--G.B. Blackrock (talk) 20:28, 30 March 2021 (EDT)

1992 v 1993

Agree with McFeely's recent comments in the edits about how the way we've changed this feels somewhat disingenuous. It's like when there was briefly some Micromasters put in the 1988 range of the toyline: yes, they technically came out that year, but they were absolutely part of the 1989 year of product. Escargon (talk) 09:10, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, I'm inclined to agree - a note under 1993 on which product was and wasn't introduced later in 1993 proper could communicate the same information? Jalaguy (talk) 09:43, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Hasbro went out of their way to do theatrical promotions saying the line was out in 1992, with an accompanying Optimus Prime coupon that expired in December of that year. The G2 line was also featured in the 1992 "pre-93 Toy Fair" catalog ("pre-Toy Fair" being a buyer's-only event usually held around... August? never been entirely sure on that), with a subtly different toy lineup from the February '93 catalog: the '92 catalog has grey Dinobots, while the February '93 catalog has green Slag/red Snarl/blue Grimlock. So the grey Dinobots, at least, were out of the picture by '93, presumably because they were considered to be 1992 product.

For what it's worth, the catalog line-ups were:

Month? 1992 catalog: Constructicons, grey Dinobots, Inferno/Jazz/Sideswipe, Ramjet/Starscream, Optimus Prime

February 1993 catalog: Bumblebee/Beachcomber/Hubcap/Seaspray, Constructicons, Afterburner/Windrazor/Terradive/Eagle Eye and Turbofire/Skram/Rapido/Windbreaker, Color Changers, green Slag/red Snarl/blue Grimlock, Inferno/Jazz/Sideswipe, Ramjet/Starscream, tank Megatron, Optimus Prime

The line-up in the '92 catalog is also the exact same toy line-up featured in the G2 Sweepstakes Offer! that contained the Optimus coupon.

If nothing else, the fact Hasbro promoted the toyline as being out in '92 feels different from things like G1 Skids showing up in stores before Christmas '84 because G2 was a product-line launch, not a continuation of something that was already out. --Monzo (talk) 10:56, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

No disagreement with any of this, it's just that the way we tend to lay out toyline pages makes it look like Prime, the cars, the jets, and the yellow Constructions weren't part of the 1993 line. It feels like the product that made it out for Christmas 92 was more like a "preview" sampling of figures, the easily-done low-effort entries from the "true," full first-year 1993 range, rather than their own genuine "year's" worth of separate product.- Chris McFeely (talk)

I wouldn’t be opposed to knocking it under one section called 1992/1993 while still keeping the lists separated, if that’s what it comes down to. Escargon (talk) 19:01, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, I don't have any objections to rolling them together under a single subheader while separating the "preview" toys from the rest by a chunka text, functionally just eliminating the "1993" subheader itself. Seems like a good way to keep the distinction without feeling like we're actually splitting them out. --M Sipher (talk) 19:37, 7 July 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, it looks better now. Escargon (talk) 10:51, 8 July 2023 (EDT)