Editing Talk:Transformers: Legacy

Shouldn't kingdom Blaster be under wave 1 voyager class? [[User:Tylerwu|Tylerwu]] ([[User talk:Tylerwu|talk]]) 12:08, 7 December 2021 (EST)
:No, because he's getting a release in Kingdom, so he goes there. If/when a Blaster Legacy repack is announced, THEN it will be placed in the appropriate Legacy wave. [[User:McBaggins|McBaggins]] ([[User talk:McBaggins|talk]]) 21:43, 11 December 2021 (EST)

== name ==

Why isn't this '''''Transformers: Legacy''''', like most other franchises? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 22:51, 13 January 2022 (EST)

Is there some other Transformers: Legacy that this needs to be disambiguated with? [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 13:40, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:We already have the tag to this [[Legacy (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:26, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::"Transformers: Legacy" is not the same thing as "Legacy". [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:40, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:::See this for a similar disambig: [[Energon (disambiguation)]]. --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 18:45, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::::Okay, clearly you're not understanding. I'm talking about the "(toyline)" in the ''title'' of the article. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 18:47, 25 January 2022 (EST)
:::::I assume the disambig tag was included by instinct in anticipation of tie-in media which has not yet been proven to exist. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47|talk]]) 18:53, 25 January 2022 (EST)
::::::Yeah it probably shouldn't have had the "toyline" in the title until other Legacy media was revealed.  Has there been any rumors of any? --[[User:MistaTee|MistaTee]] ([[User talk:MistaTee|talk]]) 22:24, 26 January 2022 (EST)

== G2 Universe Jhiaxus insignia ==

Currently, G2 Universe Jhiaxus is listed here as a G2 Decepticon, but would it not make more sense that the non-purple insignia on his chest is supposed to represent the Cybertronian Empire and not the G2 Decepticons? --[[User:Dinobot Scorn|Dinobot Scorn]] ([[User talk:Dinobot Scorn|talk]]) 19:05, 15 April 2022 (EDT)
: I'd agree, but it doesn't really matter.[[User:ChristalIsMe|ChristalIsMe]] ([[User talk:ChristalIsMe|talk]]) 11:52, 19 September 2022 (EDT)

== Transmetal II Megatron Insignia ==
Transmetal II Megatron is listed using the Prime sigil for Predacons, and not the correct Beast Wars sigil.

== Velocitron Speedia line ==

Hey, so I've seen both info and pictures from various sources (most notably tfw2005) regarding a subline for legacy called the Velocitron Speedia 500 Collection. It has (so far) Voyager Class Cybertron Override (new mold) and Voyager Class Road Hauler (redeco and new head retool of ER Grapple). There's a full review for the former, as well as inbox images of both. Are we going to add this or are we waiting for something?[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 16:53, 6 June 2022 (EDT)
:We only cover materials that have been officially revealed - not leaked or stolen.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 17:03, 6 June 2022 (EDT)
::Got it!--[[User:Metalstar|Metalstar]] ([[User talk:Metalstar|talk]]) 18:28, 6 June 2022 (EDT)

== Those weird teasers ==

How should I word them, if at all?[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:16, 31 January 2023 (EST)
:You don't. Let somebody else do it. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 20:45, 31 January 2023 (EST)
::Ok thanks.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:51, 31 January 2023 (EST)

== Snarl ==

Do we KNOW for sure that Dinobot #6 is going to be Snarl? The fact that he's all by himself in wave 7 and has no other wave 7 stuff or pictures feels a little sketchy, but I don't want to assume. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 17:14, 22 February 2023 (EST)
:We literally have a citation for it from a Hasbro designer. It's fine. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:31, 22 February 2023 (EST)
:Gotcha. Sorry. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 18:00, 22 February 2023 (EST)

==Maybe smoosh "Evolution" up in with the first year==
I'll be honest, I'm not sold on keeping the Evolution portion of this line as a separate subheader, for a few reasons.
:1) We're already calling it a subline imprint, which we've historically not split out into their own subheaders. And it's not like there was a major theming change like with Earthrise/Kingdom. Hell, we already have Evo waves start with "wave 4" and whatnot.
:2) Layout-wise, being able to put the Leaders/Commanders/Titans from both years into single sections would kill a LOT of dead empty space.
I'm thinking just roll the Evo stuff up, merge the descriptor paragraphs, mark Evo waves with (Evolution) in the table headers. I'm not remotely adamant about this, just mulling as page layout/accessibility is always in my mind. Maybe I'll sandbox it. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:05, 10 March 2023 (EST)
:[[User:M_Sipher/Sandbox:_LegacySmoosh]] - Sandbox'd! --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 20:48, 10 March 2023 (EST)
::I definitely prefer the page being like that, seems less cluttered in my opinion.--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior|talk]]) 21:15, 10 March 2023 (EST)

:Okay so like... giving it a couple more days, but if no-one can come up with a decent counter to why we shouldn't compress the page as shown in the sandbox, I'll be going ahead and doing so. Oh, and we'd treat whatever follows the same way, assuming 2024 is another "Legacy _____" line. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 19:35, 13 March 2023 (EDT)
::I'm inclined to agree on this. The dividing line between Legacy and Legacy: Evolution seems much finer than between the toylines of the previous "Generations trilogies": the logo is still "LEGACY" in the biggest letters with "Evolution" as a subtitle (versus e.g. SIEGE/EARTHRISE/KINGDOM being the headline with War for Cybertron as a subtitle), the assortments it's being shipped in have continued from Legacy rather than starting afresh, and there's no big change in theming or story, just a new packaging colour and a new barely-there gimmick. If the structure of Legacy as a line becomes more complex somehow in future we could revisit it, but for now I don't think there'd be much harm in running the lists together and having a bit up top like "Legacy toys ostensibly have Energon weapons, Evolution toys ostensibly have Evo-Fusion weapons". [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 04:28, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
::Disagree.  I think we shouldn't ignore the opportunity to draw a line under a previous year's product marked by a gimmick, logo, and entire packaging change, lest this page become an out-of-order wall of text like ''[[Studio Series]]''. Sure it's not a sea change like in the Prime Wars or War for Cybertron Trilogies, but a delineation is a delineation. [[User:TheLastGherkin|TheLastGherkin]] ([[User talk:TheLastGherkin|talk]]) 05:46, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
:::Yeah I don't necessarily disagree with this, and certainly if Legacy wound up lasting more than three years I'd ''definitely'' be in favour of section splits, the Studio Series page absolutely has become a bit of an achronological bastard. Ultimately my personal key issue is just that Legacy should be on one article, I wouldn't be too cut up about either approach in terms of how this one article is organised. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy|talk]]) 08:47, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
::::I could go either way. No opposition from me. [[User:ThatGuy79|ThatGuy79]] ([[User talk:ThatGuy79|talk]]) 15:22, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
:::Thing is, virtually all of that also applies to, like, The Unicron Battles and The Powerlinx Battles from ''Armada/Energon''. Packaging change, logo, ostensible minor gimmick change in the ''Energon'' one, and I would absolutely argue against splitting those out into separate subsections. I don't like making readers pagebounce for info, especially if it results in more and more wasted empty vertical space, and we've had problems with people over-subheadering in the past. And ''Studio'' is the Spiders Georg of the modern TF toy output, I kinda have a hard time seeing ''Legacy'' get anywhere that bad when there's maybe 4 waves of any sizeclass a year max at normal retail (a lot of its bulk comes from exclusives, which are split out and sub-sub-divided depending on the size of the capsules), I really don't think it's in danger there. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:47, 14 March 2023 (EDT)
::::In fact, having had a think about it... let's say Legacy DOES go into 4 or 5 years or so. I'd say that would actually make the problem WORSE to split the years out ''in the same formatting as as Evolution is now''. Every year we'd be having 30-40ish percent of a screen's vertical space devoted to listing... two (2) toys. If (big if) we have to split Legacy by year in the future, I'd say the solution to compounding page layout problems is already on the page... the Velocitron assortment. Where we don't have a sample from every size class borking up layouts by forcing empty space into the thing. Where the larger, fewer-items assortments are rolled up into a single table. Also like how the G1/G2 toy pages are laid out, more or less.
::::Personally I think that's a lesser solution, and I'm not exactly wild about slapping all of "wave 1" in a row then "wave 2" (it works okay with something as controlled timing-wise as an exclusive capsule line, less so with a normal retail release where product just shows up whenever, I think we'd wanna keep size classes sequential at least), but I look at the gaps caused by the Commander and Titan listings as-is and it makes me wince to think of continuing that practice over a single page for multiple years. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 21:05, 14 March 2023 (EDT)

== Legacy commercial  ==

https://twitter.com/gabriel_chee/status/1649702100635615234?t=o6Vopd0vHteSdwmlCT1KbA&s=19
The embedded vid in this tweet is one found whole looking around a store
[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 05:14, 22 April 2023 (EDT)

== Why do we have to over complicate such simple things? ==

Why are we listing ''Evolution'' package refreshes separately in the individual character articles? This is not a new concept. For other cases like and/or similar to this, we just make mention in the first (and only) write up what is different (if there is anything outside of the packaging), not just list it as a full-on separate toy. Functionally, it is the ''same'' toy, just new packaging. ''Evolution'' is just a subline, in the same vein as 07's ''AllSpark Power'' and ''Armada''{{'}}s ''The Unicron Battles'', not a new toyline. I have no problem listing the refreshes in this article, I'm just specifically talking about things like '''[[Megatron (BW)/toys#Legacy|this]]'''. -- [[User:Fanofcoolstuff27|Fanofcoolstuff27]] ([[User talk:Fanofcoolstuff27|talk]]) 02:42, 28 June 2023 (EDT)