Editing Talk:Transformers One (film)

==Caption theme==
Just putting it out there - the caption theme for this page HAS to be quotes from the 2007 movie, right? Bring us full circle? --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 21:09, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
:For once, I think TFTM would be an appropriate theme.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 22:17, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
::We already do that on the '07 page. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 23:30, 27 April 2023 (EDT)
:Some sort of prequel film - Revenge of the Sith, maybe, if a third Star Wars movie isn't pushing it. But we've only just gotten a cast and a reminder that this is still happening, it's too early to make a real call. [[User:BattleBlade|BattleBlade]] ([[User talk:BattleBlade|talk]]) 03:24, 28 April 2023 (EDT)
::I have an idea, captions from ''The Super Mario Bros. Movie''. Considering that this movie is getting the same treatment for the cast as that movie did. Energizier 02:25, 3 July 2023 (EDT)
:::Brought this up on the Discord and am now bringing it up here. My suggestion for a caption theme is one even more thematically appropriate than Revenge of the Sith in regards to the friendship and falling out of Orion and D-16: '''The Prince of Egypt'''. ''[None of the following are spoilers as we could tell all of this from the trailers:]'' It even has an oppressed people working as forced labor by a corrupt authority, and the lead protagonist being divinely chosen to be the new leader and liberator of the oppressed. The movie's full of quotable lines. And quotable lyrics, being a musical too (It's the greatest animated movie DreamWorks has ever made, IMHO). --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 01:59, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Seconded!  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 02:58, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::Sounds good to me. --[[User: PublicCrown|PublicCrown]] ([[User talk: PublicCrown|talk]]) 9:05, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::::::I was thinking of doing that myself.  --[[User:Cydra|Cydra]] ([[User talk:Cydra|talk]]) 09:56, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::::Agree. Can we already start writing quotes from it?--[[User: Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk: Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:26, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
::::::::I do still think 2007 quotes are funny, but I don't hate this. --[[User:Broadside|Broadside]] ([[User talk:Broadside|talk]]) 10:41, 17 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::::::While having 07 quotes would be funny and brings us back to the start of the movie side (many scenes could easily have the "You left me no choice, brother," caption), given that Transformers has evolved into mythological and biblical storytelling but with Cars, Robots, and Primes, having a Prince of Egypt theme for the captions is absolutely fitting. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] ([[User talk:Singularity|talk]]) 12:31, 19 September 2024 (EDT)

==Split characters?==
Just based on the trailer that just dropped, this film's aesthetic and characterisations are radically different from the two live action movie continuities, so should the characters be considered separate and given new pages (example; Optimus Prime (One), Sentinel Prime (One), etc) rather than share them with the already established film character pages? --[[User:Prime Temple|Prime Temple]] ([[User talk:Prime Temple|talk]]) 22:23, 20 April 2023 (EDT)
:No. The difference in characterisations is probably intentional as part of it being a prequel, with them changing dramatically over time. That and the art style do not overwrite the fact that the film is being treated by official sources as a prequel to the already existing films. We can note where details may not line up but unless the creators say otherwise they're considered the same characters here. [[User:Indridcold13|Indridcold13]] ([[User talk:Indridcold13|talk]]) 07:36, 20 April 2024 (EDT)
::Also, there is no such thing as "two live action movie continuities". We already covered a lot this whole topic since 2018. See [[Misconceptions_and_urban_legends_about_Transformers#Bumblebee|here]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 09:06, 20 April 2024 (EDT)
: No. For the billionth time, that's not how this wiki works. Characters are split up by ''major real world franchise'', not "piece of media's internal continuity (or lack thereof)". Otherwise we'd be splitting out every single character's comic-vs-cartoon selves, among other useless divisions that'd only make this wiki more bloated and hard to find information on. And as noted above, this movie is being treated by the makers of ALL these movies as a prequel to said movies. In the RARE instances of "internal" splits (like Wheeljack), those came WELL after the actual piece of media was released, and after a LOT of talk from the makers of said films as to whether or not those are the same characters or not. Not based on "vibes" from a single trailer months before we knew anything of actual substance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:10, 20 April 2024 (EDT)

I don't really wade into these discussions anymore but my feelings are that as long as Michael Bay and Steven Spielberg remain executive producers, there's really no point to it. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon|talk]]) 17:36, 20 April 2024 (EDT)


I see that a lot of new characters have been added, but I don’t see a source. [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 14:36, 26 July 2024 (EDT)

:Hi there folks! As Di Bonaventura confirmed the movie is not directly connected to the live action series but it still has some ties with them (and future movies will as well) I've just created [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/One|a possible page format for Optimus Prime]] that could be applied to the other characters who appeared/will appear in this universe. I took inspiration from the IDW/Marvel Comics style of division you made for the G1 characters in their respective pages. To put it simple: same continuity family, different universe. Keep in mind I wrote it as nothing more than an example/experiment (not as anything definitive) so we could discuss how to treat each character of the ''One universe'' individually in relation to the rest of the movie family. I see no problem in deleting the page if necessary. (Sorry if I made some grammar mistakes - english is not my first language). I'll post the link here again for more clarity: [[Optimus Prime (Movie)/One]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 14 September 2024
::If we're doing this, we're not going to bother with suites. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 23:33, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
:::Ok, may I ask you why? :) I think it's a great division what you made with the G1 characters. And I suppose it could work as well with the One characters as they are still technically movie characters made by the same studio responsible for the other films. Just animated instead of live-action [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 23:36, 14 September 2024
:::Of course I understand if that's the case, suites would be made only for major, prominent ''big one'' characters who have a lot to do plot-wise, not cameos and/or secondary characters like [[Sunstreaker (ROTF)|Sunstreaker]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 23:43, 14 September 2024
:::I also made [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Megatron_(Movie)&oldid=1783486 this edit] for an alternative way without the use of suites. Lemme know what you think!:) [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 23:53, 14 September 2024
::::I mean we're just going to use "(One)" articles. This is overcomplicating things. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 00:32, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::::We haven't even decided yet if the One characters are going to still be classified as "movie continuity family" or split off to entirely separate pages. And even if we do keep them grouped together, we wouldn't suite them off; that has NEVER been what suites are for. Suites are only to be implemented when a section of a page is so big that it overwhelms the page, something that ''absolutely '''does not''''' apply to the One characters right now. Everybody please, for the love of all that is holy, stop jumping the gun. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 02:17, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::THANK YOU. Oy. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 03:22, 15 September 2024 (EDT)
::::::I didn't jump on any gun. Did you read what I wrote? I never intended for my edits to be definitive in any way. Those were really just examples I submitted to your attention in order to discuss it civilly together. [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Megatron_(Movie)&oldid=1783486 I did edits to Megatron page as well] which didn't include any suites as Cyberlink previously explained in this very discussion that we can leave the One characters in the same page of their Movie namesakes just in separate sections below the live-action area as part of the same continuity '''''family''''', similar to how characters in Marvel G1, Cartoon G1 and IDW 2005 G1 share a page despite being separate universes. If I ever wanted to, as you say, "jump on the gun" I would have already made extensive edits and/or add suites for every One characters in the first place without the general consense. I even explained how I was ok with my edits being reverted and I even proposed an alternative suite-less solution (again see Megatron page), so I don't really understand all the animosity here. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]), 05:53, 15 September 2024

A formal discussion has been opened [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#Transformers One and the conversation we've all been waiting for|here]], please weigh in with your thoughts. [[User:Locoman|Locoman]] ([[User talk:Locoman|talk]]) 08:59, 15 September 2024 (EDT)

==New Continuity Confirmed==
Josh Cooley himself has confirmed that One is its own continuity, and not part of the live action film series. https://twitter.com/CooleyUrFaceOff/status/1817235351095894510
[[User:Jmcdavid|Jmcdavid]] ([[User talk:Jmcdavid|talk]]) 16:49, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
:We're still choosing to wait until the movie is out and we have the full picture to make the decision how to organize things. Even if it's a new continuity, which is likely where things will end up, we may still choose to keep it as part of the same continuity '''''family''''', similar to how characters in Marvel G1 and Cartoon G1 share a page despite being separate continuities. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 17:20, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
: Really tired of this dance. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 17:36, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
:  Marvel G1 and Cartoon G1 are part of the family due to shared characters and aesthetic. One is a potpourri of aesthetics, with radically different stories from the tie-in comics for the Bay films, and characters like Airachnid who originated from different continuities. Stop trying to make the Bay films an all-consuming black hole for other Transformers films. [[User:Jmcdavid|Jmcdavid]] ([[User talk:Jmcdavid|talk]]) 17:47, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
::G1 as we categorize it is also a potpourri of aesthetics at this point. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:49, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
:::Unless a bunch of Movieverse characters die and stay dead through the end of One, I don't see how there's anything that would be strong enough to make us knock it out of the already very self-contradicting Movieverse.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 18:03, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
::Thank you for admitting that this isn't about following how the wiki has organized things for nearly two decades, but "wah Michael Bay". --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:12, 27 July 2024 (EDT)
:Same Josh Cooley that on April 18 when asked whether the film is a fresh start, a prequel to the live-action films, or its own thing, replied with: "yes to all of the above" https://comicbook.com/movies/news/transformers-one-director-confirms-new-movies-canon-status. For God's sake stop. Just stop. If we'd categorize the medias solely based on our opinions and/or feelings there would be billions, no wait - '''trillions''', of continuities. Have you seen how many errors, discrepancies and changes of aesthetic there are in the G1 tv series? Then every single episode of the cartoon should be in its own separate canon. Like every studio Hollywood doesn't care about logic, just one thing: money. They kept elements of both the Bay and Knight/Caple movies. The change of aesthetic is irrelevant as much as it was for Origins Wolverine and First Class back in the 2010s for the X-Men movies. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 10:52, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
:There's a difference between a change in general aesthetic and a simple animation error. Also, in a now deleted tweet, [https://twitter.com/SixoTF Sixo] and the [https://twitter.com/Triple_Takeover Triple Takeover podcast] talked to Lorenzo and he was very clear and on board with the movie being in a new continuity. The fact it was deleted makes things complicated, but I saved screenshots of the whole thing. -[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 19:01, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
::The Aligned continuity changed its "general aesthetic" with every single series, but we don't claim they're irreconcilable just because ''Prime'' looks different from ''Rescue Bots''. I'm another vote in favor of waiting for the movie to actually come out so we can see how much it actually contradicts before we do anything. Also, if you have evidence someone said a relevant thing, post it. Just saying you have screenshots and then not presenting them does nothing to forward your case. --[[User:Ookalf|Ookalf]] ([[User talk:Ookalf|talk]]) 19:39, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
::I'll join the discord and post them later. Also, the trailers show the Tomb of the Primes ON Cybertron, meaning they're already dead. Look at the Matrix of Leadership, too. They both can't be on Earth at the same time, since Earth hasn't even formed yet. You can tell at a glance TFOne isn't connected to anything. -[[User:Trashatron|Trashatron]] ([[User talk:Trashatron|talk]]) 20:17, 30 July 2024 (EDT)
::Again, every continuity error is irrelevant as long as the makers of the movies (who share intellectual property with Hasbro, and have a higher saying on the matter than us) treat the final product as part of an already established series. One thing is having a [[personal canon]] supported by fan theories, the other thing is blatantly spreading false and un-confirmed information. I'd like to remember that this wiki is NOT an official website created and supported by either Hasbro and/or Paramount. As such we have literally no right to decide what's canon or not on our own. What we ''can do'' however is writing a specific section in the movie's page where we describe all the inconsistencies and odd creative choices made by Hasbro/Paramount that make hard to see the series as a consistent universe as a whole. Just like we did [[Bumblebee_(film)#Continuity_notes|here]] and [[Transformers:_Rise_of_the_Beasts_(film)#Continuity_notes|here]]. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 20:38, 30 July 2024 (EDT)

Why is it labelled as Live Action? Isn't it animated CGI? [[User:Gwl|GWL]] ([[User talk:Gwl|talk]]) 11:23, 20 August 2024 (EDT)
:Just finished. Score 1 for not bayverse: someone who is supposed to survive in it died (can't disclose for spoiler reasons).[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 04:48, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
::'''Movie 1:''' The [[AllSpark]] is the Transformers' source of life, Megatron started the War in order to take control of the cube and Bumblebee talks at the end of [[Mission City]] battle  -  '''AOE:''' the Transformers are artificially built by the "[[Creator]]s", '''ROTF:''' [[The Fallen]] started the War because he wanted to harvest energon on inhabited worlds, '''TLK:''' Optimus states he didn't hear Bee's voice since they left Cybertron together (which ironically ties up with 2018's ''[[Bumblebee (film)|Bumblebee]]'' movie intro sequence).
::I mean, this movie series has always been full of contradictions ''especially'' under Bay's era. I don't think doing a score of how many times they broke continuity is of any help. We could go on for all day. As for now, I suggest to stick to official statements made by Cooley and Di Bonaventura themselves and to wait for more people to see it and hear the other editors' opinion on the matter as well. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 06:21, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
:::True, admittedly I probably just posted this because I had to flush it out of my system.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 07:08, 14 September 2024 (EDT)
::::Please, man. I invite you to think before adding something just for the sake of doing it. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 07:41, 14 September 2024 (EDT)

== Characters list ==

I feel like we should maybe wait for the movie to come out before confirming characters inside this movie, in case some of the trailer clips are either a) deleted scenes b) just generics dressed as G1 characters to either troll us or just be something for the fandom to go hunt for like the Mario movie.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:15, 20 August 2024 (EDT)
:These characters are all seen and/or named in [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PtydsGqfda8 an official clip uploaded by Paramount Brasil]. We didn't get them from a trailer. [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 19:41, 20 August 2024 (EDT)
::Yeah but I'm still very sceptical. If anything, using a nameless template on the new characters makes me feel more comfortable due to how speculative it feels to me. 


....or maybe I should just relent and accept the truth that it is them, as my own anxiety about what I said and their impact creeped up on my back...[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 19:56, 20 August 2024 (EDT) (edited 20:06, 20 August 2024 (EDT))

::: Yeah, I think it's best we drop this conversation entirely, it's giving me undue amounts of stress and gonna make me unable to watch the movie as a result.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:46, 20 August 2024 (EDT)

I'm sorry, I'm not sure that dropping the conversation entirely is on the table. You neutered a huge character list of confirmed characters because of your stress? Come on. I say this as someone diagnosed with clinical anxiety.... this isn't that big of a deal. It's a movie. We got a clip that confirmed certain characters. We should add them. I don't see how any of this should be affecting you negatively. We definitely shouldn't be purposefully leaving articles about major releases incomplete because of it. --[[User:LordGigaIce|LordGigaIce]] ([[User talk:LordGigaIce|talk]]) 13:23, 21 August 2024 (EDT)
:The list wasn't removed due to any user's stress, it's because not all the information was fully verifiable. While some characters are clearly visible, others are only names on a list and can't be distinguished from the crowd; we generally don't log characters that are only mentioned but don't actually appear. Besides, nothing saying we can't hit revert and bring it back after the movie comes out, but we'd rather have an incomplete list than one with inaccurate information. (Incidentally, now that people are getting early screenings and leaked information is getting out there, we'll likely be locking the page soon until release day, as we've done with past movie articles, as a courtesy to other readers who don't want the movie spoiled before it's actually released.) -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 15:09, 21 August 2024 (EDT)
::Ok, but I'd like to remember you that there are a lot of pages on this wiki about characters who barely made an appearence (either by a quick cameo or a simple name on a screen) in the various media. Like the Autobots depicted in the[[Heroes of Cybertron]] trading card series which Wedge owns in Rescue Bots Academy, [[Tuneup]], [[Megatron (SG BB)|SG Movie Megatron]], [[Waspinator (ROTB)|ROTB Waspinator]] etc. I agree with you about waiting until the movie's release to add the new characters but still, I wouldn't delete their pages either. -- [[User:Grievous Prime|Grievous Prime]] ([[User talk:Grievous Prime|talk]]) 18:11, 21 August 2024 (EDT)
:::I think to split the difference let's just apply noname-nickname to all the "supposed" new character cameos who have pictures then decide what to do with them when the films home media comes out (logic being people can rewind and double check unlike in a cinema where they can't do that), as for the ones that are just names, well, I've got nothing.[[User:Poliwag06|Poliwag06]] ([[User talk:Poliwag06|talk]]) 20:24, 22 August 2024 (EDT)
::::Hey, now that the film's out, what are we gonna do about the racers from the Iacon 5000 from that clip? [[User:B-Master2020|B-Master2020]] ([[User talk:B-Master2020|talk]]) 20:43, 20 September 2024 (EDT)
:::::We're currently working to figure out a way to list them without bloating either the character table or the notes section. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade|talk]]) 23:04, 20 September 2024 (EDT)

== Transformation cogs ==

Did anyone catch what bot got what transformation cog? I feel like it was probably possible to track who got what, but it was short enough I missed it. [[User:ZeroSD|ZeroSD]] ([[User talk:ZeroSD|talk]]) 02:33, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
:If the animation is to be believed, D-16 got Prima, Elita got Alchemist, Orion got Micronus, and B-127 got Onyx. — [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 03:02, 8 October 2024 (EDT)

== Primus being based on 3P figure ==

In case it gets contested, I made a picture ([https://imgur.com/a/a0gTIZb imgur link]) comparing the ''One'' Primus design with the 01 Studio Seed figure and the Ultimate Guide artwork. One's forearms, thighs, and shins have details that are very specifically based on the sculpt of the 01 Studio figure, which aren't present on the Ultimate art. It even has the wider feet with the kibble flap over them like the 3P figure. –[[User:BluJayWarrior|BluJayWarrior]] ([[User talk:BluJayWarrior|talk]]) 02:59, 23 October 2024 (EDT)
:So given that movies take a long time to make I am doing some googling to lay out that toy's production timeline here for context:
::*It appears reviews for this thing started popping up around February 2024.
::*The [https://m.weibo.cn/status/NntErAgQN?jumpfrom=weibocom product image gallery] currently all up in google images debuted October 11, 2023.
::*The [https://www.tfw2005.com/boards/threads/01-studio-01s02-seed-primus.1231285/page-17#post-21498961 first color test shots] apparently went up around July 2023. 
:As already noted on the page, the hard cutoff for ''One''<nowiki>'</nowiki>s animation production is June 18, 2024. --[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 15:43, 23 October 2024 (EDT)