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Sabrblade: /* The Transformers cartoon */ Found another instance of "the Ancients" as a proper noun

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The Transformers cartoon: Found another instance of "the Ancients" as a proper noun

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	==Fiction==		==Fiction==
	===''The Transformers'' cartoon===		===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
	The insignia "[[Primon\|Ancient Robot]]" bore was identified as belonging to the "Ancients". {{storylink\|World of the Transformers}}		The insignia "[[Primon\|Ancient Robot]]" bore was identified as belonging to the "Ancients". {{storylink\|World of the Transformers}} The forefathers of the planet [[Paradron]]'s pacifistic Autobots were likewise regarded as Ancients, and had taught the younger generations to abstain from all forms of violence. {{storylink\|Fight or Flee (episode)\|Fight or Flee}}

	===''Cybertron'' cartoon===		===''Cybertron'' cartoon===

Daytonjhammon: /* Notes */

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	* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].		* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].
	*While never properly identified as one of the [[Thirteen]] (a more distinct group of ancient Transformers) in ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'', [[Logos Prime]] was often unofficially included in their number due to [[Vector Prime]] being one of the Thirteen in Hasbro ''Cybertron'' material while Takara ''Galaxy Force'' material strictly referred to him as an Ancient. (This conflation was not intended by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], writer of ''Beast Wars Reborn''.)<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Vector PrimeとThe Fallen以外の人影は全く誰のことも想定していません。ファンの方々は「1人はLogos Primeだ」と推察していますが、それも間違いです（彼を勝手に13人とするのは図々しく不適当と感じたので、そうしたくなかった）。満足いく答えではないかも知れませんが、これが本当のところです。🙇‍♂️\|link=https://twitter.com/Hirovmi/status/1627056614024036352\|name=Hirofumi Ichikawa\|site=Twitter\|year=2023\|month=02\|day=18}}</ref> This led to Logos Prime being confirmed (in niche Western material) as part of the "[[multiversal singularity]]" Thirteen.		*While never properly identified as one of the [[Thirteen]] (a more distinct group of ancient Transformers) in ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'', [[Logos Prime]] was often unofficially included in their number due to [[Vector Prime]] being one of the Thirteen in Hasbro ''Cybertron'' material while Takara ''Galaxy Force'' material strictly referred to him as an Ancient. (This conflation was not intended by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], writer of ''Beast Wars Reborn''.)<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Vector PrimeとThe Fallen以外の人影は全く誰のことも想定していません。ファンの方々は「1人はLogos Primeだ」と推察していますが、それも間違いです（彼を勝手に13人とするのは図々しく不適当と感じたので、そうしたくなかった）。満足いく答えではないかも知れませんが、これが本当のところです。🙇‍♂️\|link=https://twitter.com/Hirovmi/status/1627056614024036352\|name=Hirofumi Ichikawa\|site=Twitter\|year=2023\|month=02\|day=18}}</ref> This led to Logos Prime being confirmed (in niche Western material) as part of the "[[multiversal singularity]]" Thirteen.
			* While the Ancients are mentioned in the Aligned continuity's ''Exodus'' novel, the ''Fall of Cybertron'' game, and the ''Prime'' comic and cartoon, they receive no mention in the ''[[Transformers: The Covenant of Primus\|Covenant of Primus]]'', which explores in-depth the various ages of Cybertronian history. Yet again, this is an example of the Aligned continuity's "It only works if you squint" rule towards the overall timeline.

	===Foreign names===		===Foreign names===

Sabrblade: /* See also */

2024-12-09T01:19:39Z

Saix: /* Notes */

2024-11-09T22:34:22Z

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].		* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].
	*While never properly identified as one of the [[Thirteen]] (a more distinct group of ancient Transformers) in ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'', [[Logos Prime]] was often unofficially included in their number due to [[Vector Prime]] being one of the Thirteen in Hasbro ''Cybertron'' material while Takara ''Galaxy Force'' material strictly referred to him as an Ancient. (This conflation was not intended by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], writer of ''Beast Wars Reborn''.)<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Vector PrimeとThe Fallen以外の人影は全く誰のことも想定していません。ファンの方々は「1人はLogos Primeだ」と推察していますが、それも間違いです（彼を勝手に13人とするのは図々しく不適当と感じたので、そうしたくなかった）。満足いく答えではないかも知れませんが、これが本当のところです。🙇‍♂️\|link=https://twitter.com/Hirovmi/status/1627056614024036352\|name=Hirofumi Ichikawa\|site=Twitter\|year=2023\|month=02\|day=18}}</ref> This ~~conflation~~ led to Logos Prime being confirmed (in niche Western material) as part of the "[[multiversal singularity]]" Thirteen.		*While never properly identified as one of the [[Thirteen]] (a more distinct group of ancient Transformers) in ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'', [[Logos Prime]] was often unofficially included in their number due to [[Vector Prime]] being one of the Thirteen in Hasbro ''Cybertron'' material while Takara ''Galaxy Force'' material strictly referred to him as an Ancient. (This conflation was not intended by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], writer of ''Beast Wars Reborn''.)<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Vector PrimeとThe Fallen以外の人影は全く誰のことも想定していません。ファンの方々は「1人はLogos Primeだ」と推察していますが、それも間違いです（彼を勝手に13人とするのは図々しく不適当と感じたので、そうしたくなかった）。満足いく答えではないかも知れませんが、これが本当のところです。🙇‍♂️\|link=https://twitter.com/Hirovmi/status/1627056614024036352\|name=Hirofumi Ichikawa\|site=Twitter\|year=2023\|month=02\|day=18}}</ref> This led to Logos Prime being confirmed (in niche Western material) as part of the "[[multiversal singularity]]" Thirteen.

	===Foreign names===		===Foreign names===

Saix: /* Notes */

2024-11-09T22:34:06Z

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].		* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].
	*While never properly identified as one of the [[Thirteen]] (a more distinct group of ancient Transformers) in ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'', [[Logos Prime]] was often unofficially included in their number due to [[Vector Prime]] being one of the Thirteen in Hasbro material while Takara material strictly referred to him as an Ancient. (This ~~interpretation~~ was not intended by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], writer of ''Beast Wars Reborn''.)<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Vector PrimeとThe Fallen以外の人影は全く誰のことも想定していません。ファンの方々は「1人はLogos Primeだ」と推察していますが、それも間違いです（彼を勝手に13人とするのは図々しく不適当と感じたので、そうしたくなかった）。満足いく答えではないかも知れませんが、これが本当のところです。🙇‍♂️\|link=https://twitter.com/Hirovmi/status/1627056614024036352\|name=Hirofumi Ichikawa\|site=Twitter\|year=2023\|month=02\|day=18}}</ref> This conflation led to Logos Prime being confirmed (in niche Western material) as part of the "[[multiversal singularity]]" Thirteen.		*While never properly identified as one of the [[Thirteen]] (a more distinct group of ancient Transformers) in ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'', [[Logos Prime]] was often unofficially included in their number due to [[Vector Prime]] being one of the Thirteen in Hasbro ''Cybertron'' material while Takara ''Galaxy Force'' material strictly referred to him as an Ancient. (This conflation was not intended by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], writer of ''Beast Wars Reborn''.)<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Vector PrimeとThe Fallen以外の人影は全く誰のことも想定していません。ファンの方々は「1人はLogos Primeだ」と推察していますが、それも間違いです（彼を勝手に13人とするのは図々しく不適当と感じたので、そうしたくなかった）。満足いく答えではないかも知れませんが、これが本当のところです。🙇‍♂️\|link=https://twitter.com/Hirovmi/status/1627056614024036352\|name=Hirofumi Ichikawa\|site=Twitter\|year=2023\|month=02\|day=18}}</ref> This conflation led to Logos Prime being confirmed (in niche Western material) as part of the "[[multiversal singularity]]" Thirteen.

	===Foreign names===		===Foreign names===

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	*In ''Galaxy Force'', the Japanese version of the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|Cybertron]]'' cartoon, [[Vector Prime]] is identified as an "Ancient".		* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].
	* The ancient Transformers seen in "[[Balance]]" are based on [[The Transformers (franchise)\|Generation 1]] [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]], [[Jazz (G1)\|Jazz]], and [[Ultra Magnus (G1)\|Ultra Magnus]].		*While never properly identified as one of the [[Thirteen]] (a more distinct group of ancient Transformers) in ''[[Beast Wars Reborn]]'', [[Logos Prime]] was often unofficially included in their number due to [[Vector Prime]] being one of the Thirteen in Hasbro material while Takara material strictly referred to him as an Ancient. (This interpretation was not intended by [[Hirofumi Ichikawa]], writer of ''Beast Wars Reborn''.)<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Vector PrimeとThe Fallen以外の人影は全く誰のことも想定していません。ファンの方々は「1人はLogos Primeだ」と推察していますが、それも間違いです（彼を勝手に13人とするのは図々しく不適当と感じたので、そうしたくなかった）。満足いく答えではないかも知れませんが、これが本当のところです。🙇‍♂️\|link=https://twitter.com/Hirovmi/status/1627056614024036352\|name=Hirofumi Ichikawa\|site=Twitter\|year=2023\|month=02\|day=18}}</ref> This conflation led to Logos Prime being confirmed (in niche Western material) as part of the "[[multiversal singularity]]" Thirteen.

	===Foreign names===		===Foreign names===
	*''Japanese:'' '''Ancient''' (エンシェント ''Enshento'')		*''Japanese:'' '''Ancient''' (エンシェント ''Enshento'')

			==References==
			{{reflist}}

	==See also==		==See also==

Saix at 22:23, 9 November 2024

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			{{factions\|{{factions/icons\|custom=Ancient_Autobot_Symbol.png\|cSize=30x30px\|cLink=Autobot\|cPretty=Ancient Autobot}}}}

	[[Image:Cyb-WiseElders.jpg\|right\|180px\|thumb\|Anyone got any threes?]]		[[Image:Cyb-WiseElders.jpg\|right\|180px\|thumb\|Anyone got any threes?]]
	Many [[Transformer\|Cybertronians]] revere famous historical inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)\|their homeworld]] by the generic moniker '''Ancients'''.		Many [[Transformer\|Cybertronians]] revere famous historical inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)\|their homeworld]] by the generic moniker '''Ancients'''.

	==Fiction==		==Fiction==
			===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
			The insignia "[[Primon\|Ancient Robot]]" bore was identified as belonging to the "Ancients". {{storylink\|World of the Transformers}}

	===''Cybertron'' cartoon===		===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
	The Ancients were the [[Golden Age]] Transformers who sent colony ships out into space to the worlds of [[Earth]], [[Velocitron]], [[Jungle Planet (colony)\|Jungle Planet]] and [[Gigantion]]. {{storylink\|Warp}} They look a ''liiiiittle'' familiar. {{storylink\|Balance}}		The Ancients were the [[Golden Age]] Transformers who sent colony ships out into space to the worlds of [[Earth]], [[Velocitron]], [[Jungle Planet (colony)\|Jungle Planet]] and [[Gigantion]]. {{storylink\|Warp}} They look a ''liiiiittle'' familiar. {{storylink\|Balance}}

Saix at 22:07, 9 November 2024

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	===''Cybertron'' cartoon===		===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
	The Ancients were the [[Golden Age]] Transformers who sent colony ships out into space to the worlds of [[Earth]], [[Velocitron]], [[Jungle Planet (colony)\|Jungle Planet]] and [[Gigantion]]. {{storylink\|Warp}} They look a ''liiiiittle'' familiar. {{storylink\|Balance}}		The Ancients were the [[Golden Age]] Transformers who sent colony ships out into space to the worlds of [[Earth]], [[Velocitron]], [[Jungle Planet (colony)\|Jungle Planet]] and [[Gigantion]]. {{storylink\|Warp}} They look a ''liiiiittle'' familiar. {{storylink\|Balance}}

			===''Galaxy Force'' cartoon continuity===
			====''Galaxy Force'' cartoon====
			[[Vector Prime]] was an Ancient.{{Fact}}

			====''Beast Wars Reborn''====
			[[Logos Prime]] and [[Vector Prime]] were Ancients, {{storylink\|Master of the Game}} the first clan of robots created by [[Primus#Cybertron cartoon\|Primus]] before he became [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. They were endowed with amazing powers surpassing those of later [[Transformer]]s and acted as protectors throughout space and time. However, Logos Prime fell to insanity, breaking off from his brethren, {{storylink\|Planetfall (BWR)\|Planetfall}} upon encountering the [[Hytherion\|Beast of Time]]. {{Storylink\|The Extraordinary Reformat}}

	===Aligned continuity family===		===Aligned continuity family===

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			[[Image:Cyb-WiseElders.jpg\|right\|180px\|thumb\|Anyone got any threes?]]
	Many [[Transformer\|Cybertronians]] revere famous historical inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)\|their homeworld]] by the generic moniker '''Ancients'''.		Many [[Transformer\|Cybertronians]] revere famous historical inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)\|their homeworld]] by the generic moniker '''Ancients'''.

	==Fiction==		==Fiction==
	===''Cybertron'' cartoon===		===''Cybertron'' cartoon===
	~~[[Image:Cyb-WiseElders.jpg\|right\|180px\|thumb\|Anyone got any threes?]]~~
	The Ancients were the [[Golden Age]] Transformers who sent colony ships out into space to the worlds of [[Earth]], [[Velocitron]], [[Jungle Planet (colony)\|Jungle Planet]] and [[Gigantion]]. {{storylink\|Warp}} They look a ''liiiiittle'' familiar. {{storylink\|Balance}}		The Ancients were the [[Golden Age]] Transformers who sent colony ships out into space to the worlds of [[Earth]], [[Velocitron]], [[Jungle Planet (colony)\|Jungle Planet]] and [[Gigantion]]. {{storylink\|Warp}} They look a ''liiiiittle'' familiar. {{storylink\|Balance}}

Saix at 19:02, 9 November 2024

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	~~{{disambig2\|the old-timey [[Transformer]]s\|the even more old-timey Transformers referred to as "Ancients" in various media\|Thirteen}}~~

	Many [[Transformer\|Cybertronians]] revere famous historical inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)\|their homeworld]] by the generic moniker '''Ancients'''.		Many [[Transformer\|Cybertronians]] revere famous historical inhabitants of [[Cybertron (planet)\|their homeworld]] by the generic moniker '''Ancients'''.

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	==See also==		==See also==
			*[[Covenant (group)\|Covenant]]
	*[[Thirteen]]		*[[Thirteen]]
			*[[Primus Vanguard]]

	[[Category:Cybertron subgroups]]		[[Category:Cybertron subgroups]]