https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Category_talk%3AExternal_propertiesCategory talk:External properties - Revision history2026-09-12T23:39:07ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:External_properties&diff=1630357&oldid=prevSaix: clean up, replaced: Doctor → Doctor2022-08-11T22:19:12Z<p>clean up, replaced: <a href="/index.php/Doctor" title="Doctor">Doctor</a> → <a href="/index.php/Doctor_(Doctor_Who)" class="mw-redirect" title="Doctor (Doctor Who)">Doctor</a></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It's been proposed that we very much need a new category with which to tag GI Joe characters, Spider-Man and Nicholas, and any other pre-existing properties Transformers have interacted with. The idea put forth is that it makes us look kind of dumb to tag characters like Snake Eyes, who only exist in fiction for the purpose of promoting toys, or Spider-Man, who has many more toys than Optimus Prime, with Category:Comics-only characters. It's well-established that we feign ignorance of anything canonical to these properties that happens without a Transformers logo stamped on it somewhere in the body of an article (up to and including the friggin' heights of Star Wars characters), but several of us feel that the tags should be done straight. Thoughts? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 08:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>It's been proposed that we very much need a new category with which to tag GI Joe characters, Spider-Man and Nicholas, and any other pre-existing properties Transformers have interacted with. The idea put forth is that it makes us look kind of dumb to tag characters like Snake Eyes, who only exist in fiction for the purpose of promoting toys, or Spider-Man, who has many more toys than Optimus Prime, with Category:Comics-only characters. It's well-established that we feign ignorance of anything canonical to these properties that happens without a Transformers logo stamped on it somewhere in the body of an article (up to and including the friggin' heights of Star Wars characters), but several of us feel that the tags should be done straight. Thoughts? --[[User:Rotty|Rotty]] 08:55, 10 May 2007 (UTC)</div></td></tr>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Do you want me to pick which one? Here is the description from the "fiction-only characters" page, if it helps. "Characters who do not exist as toys or merchandise, appearing only within the realm of ''Transformers'' fiction." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:42, 25 January 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Do you want me to pick which one? Here is the description from the "fiction-only characters" page, if it helps. "Characters who do not exist as toys or merchandise, appearing only within the realm of ''Transformers'' fiction." - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 14:42, 25 January 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr>
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</table>Saixhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Category_talk:External_properties&diff=780540&oldid=prevStarfield: /* External properties and Fiction-only categories */2013-01-27T16:15:07Z<p><span class="autocomment">External properties and Fiction-only categories</span></p>
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