Category talk:Repurposed toys - Revision history

Cyberlink420 at 06:13, 28 April 2023

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	....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)		....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	::Saix, I don't really have a horse in this race (aside from vaguely agreeing that there's a difference between the case of Lugnut and the case of, say, [[Armorhide (Movie)]] and [[Huffer (SG)]]), but figured I'd throw my hat in here to say that it'd be great if both you and [[User:NexusShard17]] could talk to the people in the [https://discord.gg/~~N99Bygq~~ TFWiki Discord] (or, failing that, over in [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-or-the-all-new-all-different-community-portal/ the Allspark thead]) and reach some kind of vague consensus ''before'' making changes to lots of pages (or, indeed, reverting those changes). Asking on talk pages beforehand has proven itself never to really garner a sufficient response, but I do think it's different on these other platforms, and it'd save time and heartache in cases like this. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:28, 20 February 2020 (EST)		::Saix, I don't really have a horse in this race (aside from vaguely agreeing that there's a difference between the case of Lugnut and the case of, say, [[Armorhide (Movie)]] and [[Huffer (SG)]]), but figured I'd throw my hat in here to say that it'd be great if both you and [[User:NexusShard17]] could talk to the people in the [https://discord.gg/tfwiki TFWiki Discord] (or, failing that, over in [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-or-the-all-new-all-different-community-portal/ the Allspark thead]) and reach some kind of vague consensus ''before'' making changes to lots of pages (or, indeed, reverting those changes). Asking on talk pages beforehand has proven itself never to really garner a sufficient response, but I do think it's different on these other platforms, and it'd save time and heartache in cases like this. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:28, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)		My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)

Saix: /* Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge */clean up, replaced: [[Legion| → [[Legion (KP)|

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Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge: clean up, replaced: [[Legion| → [[Legion (KP)|

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	==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==		==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==
	:Does [[Legion\|Legion]] count? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:Does [[Legion (KP)\|Legion]] count? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I'm pretty sure not. That wasn't any pre-existing toy. Find me a Windcharger/Decepticharge with a Megatron head and we'll re-evaluate. ;) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		::I'm pretty sure not. That wasn't any pre-existing toy. Find me a Windcharger/Decepticharge with a Megatron head and we'll re-evaluate. ;) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::[http://tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Decepticharge/decepticharge.htm The heads aren't that different]. They just made the helmet slightly more polygonal. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:::[http://tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Decepticharge/decepticharge.htm The heads aren't that different]. They just made the helmet slightly more polygonal. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

The Wadapan: /* I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons */

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I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons

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	....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)		....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
			::Saix, I don't really have a horse in this race (aside from vaguely agreeing that there's a difference between the case of Lugnut and the case of, say, [[Armorhide (Movie)]] and [[Huffer (SG)]]), but figured I'd throw my hat in here to say that it'd be great if both you and [[User:NexusShard17]] could talk to the people in the [https://discord.gg/N99Bygq TFWiki Discord] (or, failing that, over in [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-or-the-all-new-all-different-community-portal/ the Allspark thead]) and reach some kind of vague consensus ''before'' making changes to lots of pages (or, indeed, reverting those changes). Asking on talk pages beforehand has proven itself never to really garner a sufficient response, but I do think it's different on these other platforms, and it'd save time and heartache in cases like this. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:28, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)		My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)

Saix: /* I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons */

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I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons

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	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)		My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)
			:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)

Khajidha: /* I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons */

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I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons

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	....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)		....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
			My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)

Saix: /* I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons */

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	....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)		....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)
			:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)

Escargon: /* I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons */ new section

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	According to what I understand, it seems the second is right. I'd like to know if I'm right or not. Thanks. :-D --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 10:21, 7 May 2009 (EDT)		According to what I understand, it seems the second is right. I'd like to know if I'm right or not. Thanks. :-D --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 10:21, 7 May 2009 (EDT)

			== I removed him from the category. It was decided to do this because those are not actual repurposes and this cat would be drowning in BWU Mini-Cons ==

			....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)

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	The only other one I can think of is Ravage (twice, with [[Panther]] and [[Shadow Panther]]), unless we're counting character sheet swaps like [[Nightstick (~~Cyclonus~~)\|Nightstick]] and [[Fracas]]. [[Prowl II]], perhaps. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 12:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		The only other one I can think of is Ravage (twice, with [[Panther]] and [[Shadow Panther]]), unless we're counting character sheet swaps like [[Nightstick (G1)\|Nightstick]] and [[Fracas]]. [[Prowl II]], perhaps. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 12:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I could live with Prowl II, but even then, I don't think there are enough of these to really warrant a category. Isn't the bottom limit six or seven? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 15:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:I could live with Prowl II, but even then, I don't think there are enough of these to really warrant a category. Isn't the bottom limit six or seven? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 15:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

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	BM Tankor's toy was used to represent Quake's Vehicon drones in Wreckers #1. That should probably fit here. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		BM Tankor's toy was used to represent Quake's Vehicon drones in Wreckers #1. That should probably fit here. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


	==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==		==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==

Saix: clean up, replaced: → (16), * → *, Legion (KP) → Legion

2016-03-12T12:50:46Z

clean up, replaced: → (16), * → *, Legion (KP) → Legion

Abates: /* Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge */

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Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge

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	==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==		==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==
	:Does [[Legion]] count? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:Does [[Legion (KP)\|Legion]] count? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I'm pretty sure not. That wasn't any pre-existing toy. Find me a Windcharger/Decepticharge with a Megatron head and we'll re-evaluate. ;) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		::I'm pretty sure not. That wasn't any pre-existing toy. Find me a Windcharger/Decepticharge with a Megatron head and we'll re-evaluate. ;) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::[http://tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Decepticharge/decepticharge.htm The heads aren't that different]. They just made the helmet slightly more polygonal. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:::[http://tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Decepticharge/decepticharge.htm The heads aren't that different]. They just made the helmet slightly more polygonal. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
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	:It was? looks Oh, good catch Walky.		:It was? looks Oh, good catch Walky.
	:(This is a much narrower category than 'characters incarnations based on nonexistant toys', bit I feel like it's unique enough to be worth tracking.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:(This is a much narrower category than 'characters incarnations based on nonexistant toys', bit I feel like it's unique enough to be worth tracking.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


	==RiD Optimus Prime==		==RiD Optimus Prime==

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	....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)		....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	::Saix, I don't really have a horse in this race (aside from vaguely agreeing that there's a difference between the case of Lugnut and the case of, say, [[Armorhide (Movie)]] and [[Huffer (SG)]]), but figured I'd throw my hat in here to say that it'd be great if both you and [[User:NexusShard17]] could talk to the people in the [https://discord.gg/~~N99Bygq~~ TFWiki Discord] (or, failing that, over in [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-or-the-all-new-all-different-community-portal/ the Allspark thead]) and reach some kind of vague consensus ''before'' making changes to lots of pages (or, indeed, reverting those changes). Asking on talk pages beforehand has proven itself never to really garner a sufficient response, but I do think it's different on these other platforms, and it'd save time and heartache in cases like this. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:28, 20 February 2020 (EST)		::Saix, I don't really have a horse in this race (aside from vaguely agreeing that there's a difference between the case of Lugnut and the case of, say, [[Armorhide (Movie)]] and [[Huffer (SG)]]), but figured I'd throw my hat in here to say that it'd be great if both you and [[User:NexusShard17]] could talk to the people in the [https://discord.gg/tfwiki TFWiki Discord] (or, failing that, over in [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-or-the-all-new-all-different-community-portal/ the Allspark thead]) and reach some kind of vague consensus ''before'' making changes to lots of pages (or, indeed, reverting those changes). Asking on talk pages beforehand has proven itself never to really garner a sufficient response, but I do think it's different on these other platforms, and it'd save time and heartache in cases like this. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:28, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)		My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)

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	....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)		....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
			::Saix, I don't really have a horse in this race (aside from vaguely agreeing that there's a difference between the case of Lugnut and the case of, say, [[Armorhide (Movie)]] and [[Huffer (SG)]]), but figured I'd throw my hat in here to say that it'd be great if both you and [[User:NexusShard17]] could talk to the people in the [https://discord.gg/N99Bygq TFWiki Discord] (or, failing that, over in [https://www.allspark.com/forums/topic/101932-tfwikinet-thread-or-the-all-new-all-different-community-portal/ the Allspark thead]) and reach some kind of vague consensus ''before'' making changes to lots of pages (or, indeed, reverting those changes). Asking on talk pages beforehand has proven itself never to really garner a sufficient response, but I do think it's different on these other platforms, and it'd save time and heartache in cases like this. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:28, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)		My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)

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	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)		My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)
			:I've seen "this toy doubles as X (Armada) and X (BW)" and that seems to work. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:10, 20 February 2020 (EST)

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	....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)		....who decided? This is moronic, they're absolutely repurposes. The reason why that "See this page for toys" was invented wasn't for characters like the BW:U Micromasters, it was decided for guys like IDW Bulkhead who could literally have been represented by at least 5 seperate toys. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 08:16, 20 February 2020 (EST)
	:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)		:They are only repurposes if you're going to be, to use your 24/7 tone, moronically pedantic by forcing wiki categorization systems on creators who are just reusing characters. Lugnut in WFC isn't a repurpose. It's just Lugnut in a universe corralled away because of wiki rules. Creators are not thinking of characters the wiki way and Jim Sorenson (the guy who made most of those "repurposes") has expressed that sentiment before. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:30, 20 February 2020 (EST)
			My problem is that on some of the pages these changes have produced situations where a "repurposed toy" note is in the body, but they are being taken out of the "repurposed toy" category. This is an odd disconnect. But it stems from an underlying problem. There really is a conceptual difference between using a Rattrap toy as Packrat and using a Lugnut toy as a different incarnation of Lugnut, but both are using the same notes and categories. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:58, 20 February 2020 (EST)

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			==Untitled==
	The only other one I can think of is Ravage (twice, with [[Panther]] and [[Shadow Panther]]), unless we're counting character sheet swaps like [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)\|Nightstick]] and [[Fracas]]. [[Prowl II]], perhaps. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 12:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		The only other one I can think of is Ravage (twice, with [[Panther]] and [[Shadow Panther]]), unless we're counting character sheet swaps like [[Nightstick (Cyclonus)\|Nightstick]] and [[Fracas]]. [[Prowl II]], perhaps. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 12:13, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:I could live with Prowl II, but even then, I don't think there are enough of these to really warrant a category. Isn't the bottom limit six or seven? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 15:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:I could live with Prowl II, but even then, I don't think there are enough of these to really warrant a category. Isn't the bottom limit six or seven? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 15:27, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

	::Give it a week, I think there might be a few more knocking around continuity. If none turn up by then than I'd be okay with 'cat deletion.		::Give it a week, I think there might be a few more knocking around continuity. If none turn up by then than I'd be okay with 'cat deletion.
	::(I will say, all the toys with two identities couresy of Energon do ''not'' belong here.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		::(I will say, all the toys with two identities couresy of Energon do ''not'' belong here.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 15:39, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::Yeah - what about, say, the various Universe guys who are just "alternate" versions of existing dudes - I'm thinking here specifically of Lil' Lemony Spychanger RiD Prime, who was originally meant to be regular old RiD Prime (I presume) but then got retconned into being the Prime of a dimension where everyone was just Spychanger-sized?) I'm not sure that would count, necessarily... [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 17:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:::Yeah - what about, say, the various Universe guys who are just "alternate" versions of existing dudes - I'm thinking here specifically of Lil' Lemony Spychanger RiD Prime, who was originally meant to be regular old RiD Prime (I presume) but then got retconned into being the Prime of a dimension where everyone was just Spychanger-sized?) I'm not sure that would count, necessarily... [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 17:06, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Considering "teenyverse" is their FIRST and ONLY canon characterization... no, I'd say they don't count. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 17:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		::::Considering "teenyverse" is their FIRST and ONLY canon characterization... no, I'd say they don't count. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 17:25, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

	::The lower size limit for categories isn't a hard limit -- when there's an unusual or curious category like this one we sometimes let them slide. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 04:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)		::The lower size limit for categories isn't a hard limit -- when there's an unusual or curious category like this one we sometimes let them slide. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 04:14, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

	BM Tankor's toy was used to represent Quake's Vehicon drones in Wreckers #1. That should probably fit here. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		BM Tankor's toy was used to represent Quake's Vehicon drones in Wreckers #1. That should probably fit here. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:37, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


	==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==		==Legion/Megatron/Decepticharge==
	:Does [[Legion ~~(KP)~~\|Legion]] count? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:Does [[Legion\|Legion]] count? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 17:41, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I'm pretty sure not. That wasn't any pre-existing toy. Find me a Windcharger/Decepticharge with a Megatron head and we'll re-evaluate. ;) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		::I'm pretty sure not. That wasn't any pre-existing toy. Find me a Windcharger/Decepticharge with a Megatron head and we'll re-evaluate. ;) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 17:54, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::[http://tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Decepticharge/decepticharge.htm The heads aren't that different]. They just made the helmet slightly more polygonal. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:::[http://tfu.info/2005/Decepticon/Decepticharge/decepticharge.htm The heads aren't that different]. They just made the helmet slightly more polygonal. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 18:22, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::The heads are much more different than that. One is a Windcharger head, one is unmistakably a G1 Megatron head, including the distinctive brow, plus entirely new greebles on the sides of the helmet. Legion's altmode was also altered. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		::::The heads are much more different than that. One is a Windcharger head, one is unmistakably a G1 Megatron head, including the distinctive brow, plus entirely new greebles on the sides of the helmet. Legion's altmode was also altered. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:It was? looks Oh, good catch Walky.		:It was? looksOh, good catch Walky.
	:(This is a much narrower category than 'characters incarnations based on nonexistant toys', bit I feel like it's unique enough to be worth tracking.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:(This is a much narrower category than 'characters incarnations based on nonexistant toys', bit I feel like it's unique enough to be worth tracking.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 18:20, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

	==RiD Optimus Prime==		==RiD Optimus Prime==
	Does the ''Cybertron'' redeco of RiD Optimus Prime count? The package bio said it was just ''Cybertron'' Prime in a new body, but the comic used the colors for RiD Prime. [[Blurr (Cybertron)\|''Cybertron'' Blurr]]? [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 19:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		Does the ''Cybertron'' redeco of RiD Optimus Prime count? The package bio said it was just ''Cybertron'' Prime in a new body, but the comic used the colors for RiD Prime. [[Blurr (Cybertron)\|''Cybertron'' Blurr]]? [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 19:38, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
	:IU think yes on RiD Prime, no on Blurr? (Wasn't Blur reassigned by his own tech-spec or something? I feel like that shouldn't count...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 20:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)		:IU think yes on RiD Prime, no on Blurr? (Wasn't Blur reassigned by his own tech-spec or something? I feel like that shouldn't count...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 20:55, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


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	==Reassigned/repurposed==		==Reassigned/repurposed==
	Do we need to move all these to Category: Repurposed toys? Repurposed seems to be the jargon we're using. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:05, 18 April 2009 (EDT)		Do we need to move all these to Category: Repurposed toys? Repurposed seems to be the jargon we're using. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:05, 18 April 2009 (EDT)
	:That's what I've been thinking. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:16, 18 April 2009 (EDT)		:That's what I've been thinking. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:16, 18 April 2009 (EDT)