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Bluestreak7: /* Page move */

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	::Can we have some more input on this? I agree with Steve, for what it's worth. I'd be happy with a decision made either way, though, as long as we have some consensus. [[Help:Contents#Main_policies_and_guidelines\|As of right now,]] our "main" guide pages are scattered between two different namespaces, with no apparent logic behind it. --[[User:Sntint\|Sntint]] 02:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)		::Can we have some more input on this? I agree with Steve, for what it's worth. I'd be happy with a decision made either way, though, as long as we have some consensus. [[Help:Contents#Main_policies_and_guidelines\|As of right now,]] our "main" guide pages are scattered between two different namespaces, with no apparent logic behind it. --[[User:Sntint\|Sntint]] 02:28, 21 January 2008 (UTC)

	:::It should be moved to [[Transformers Wiki:Style guide]] or [[Transformers Wiki:Manual of Style]]. It's a page about the '''Project''''s style guide, and the Transformers Wiki namespace is the Project namespace (<nowiki>[[Project:X]]</nowiki> is directly equivalent to <nowiki>[[Transformers Wiki:X]]</nowiki> - it wouldn't even give a (Redirected from...) message, cf [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal]] vs. [[Project:Community Portal]].		:::It should be moved to [Transformers Wiki:Style guide] or [[Transformers Wiki:Manual of Style]]. It's a page about the '''Project''''s style guide, and the Transformers Wiki namespace is the Project namespace (<nowiki>[[Project:X]]</nowiki> is directly equivalent to <nowiki>[[Transformers Wiki:X]]</nowiki> - it wouldn't even give a (Redirected from...) message, cf [[Transformers Wiki:Community Portal]] vs. [[Project:Community Portal]].
	:::The Help namespace is for help with the interface/software, not project-specific stuff. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)		:::The Help namespace is for help with the interface/software, not project-specific stuff. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 16:51, 11 June 2008 (UTC)
	::::I vote [[Transformers Wiki:Manual of Style]], since there seems to be a somewhat more 'instructive' element/tone to the documentation, moreso than just a guide. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 16:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)		::::I vote [[Transformers Wiki:Manual of Style]], since there seems to be a somewhat more 'instructive' element/tone to the documentation, moreso than just a guide. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 16:59, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

Khajidha: /* Possessives */ new section

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Possessives: new section

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	::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

			== Possessives ==

			The last few months I've seen several people "correct" our usage of the 's on things such as Cyclonus's armada. Sending them to this page for clarification hasn't seemed to help because of the exceptions listed. Should we just make a flat statement that all possessives on this site use 's? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 15:14, 11 March 2011 (EST)

Geewunling at 14:35, 7 December 2009

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	:::::::::Steve-o, I'm pretty sure he was bring up the manuls is because it was easier to type. Anything in the style guide would spell it out. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 04:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		:::::::::Steve-o, I'm pretty sure he was bring up the manuls is because it was easier to type. Anything in the style guide would spell it out. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 04:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	I'm pretty much in the same boat as Steve-o. I can't say I see the point in specifying any of this in a style guide. It seems really, really, ''really'' pedantic... and most people are gonna goddamn ignore it anyway. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		I'm pretty much in the same boat as Steve-o. I can't say I see the point in specifying any of this in a style guide. It seems really, really, ''really'' pedantic... and most people are gonna goddamn ignore it anyway. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	:All I can say is, [http://~~transformers~~.~~wikia.com~~/index.php?title=Transmetal&diff=~~153787~~&oldid=~~153730~~ I got bitched out for it,] with no policy to fall back on. If we're going to have editors who want to hound others with edits as pedantic as this, then apparently it matters to establish this kind of thing. For what it's worth, the strongest emotion I've seen come out of this discussion is apathy, which I agree with more than anything. If this Talk page can be used from here on as evidence for the "seriously, un-bunch your damn panties" position, then we've accomplished as much as if we'd changed the style guide. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 06:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		:All I can say is, [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Transmetal&diff=10203&oldid=10202 I got bitched out for it,] with no policy to fall back on. If we're going to have editors who want to hound others with edits as pedantic as this, then apparently it matters to establish this kind of thing. For what it's worth, the strongest emotion I've seen come out of this discussion is apathy, which I agree with more than anything. If this Talk page can be used from here on as evidence for the "seriously, un-bunch your damn panties" position, then we've accomplished as much as if we'd changed the style guide. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 06:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I was half-joking. You know this, yes? [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 06:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::I was half-joking. You know this, yes? [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 06:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::How much of a joke was it if you called it out in comments and spent the time to "correct" it? Clearly it matters to you enough to try to impose your own method and make people stop doing what you don't like. Which is what the style guide is ultimately for, so here we are. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 07:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		:::How much of a joke was it if you called it out in comments and spent the time to "correct" it? Clearly it matters to you enough to try to impose your own method and make people stop doing what you don't like. Which is what the style guide is ultimately for, so here we are. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 07:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Detour: Undo revision 379596 by Dr L (Talk) Enough is enough, geez!

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Undo revision 379596 by Dr L (Talk) Enough is enough, geez!

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	::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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	~~Should we have that template on the page or remove it?([[User:Dr L\|Dr L]] 19:41, 19 October 2009 (EDT))~~

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	::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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			Should we have that template on the page or remove it?([[User:Dr L\|Dr L]] 19:41, 19 October 2009 (EDT))

Interrobang at 23:13, 31 May 2009

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	So, which of the following rules should we adopt?		So, which of the following rules should we adopt?
	# Punctuation marks are printed in the same style or font of type as the word, letter, character, or symbol immediately preceding them. (Chicago Manual of Style, Fourteenth Edition.) E.g., "I was very ''excited!'' Weren't you?"		# Punctuation marks are printed in the same style or font of type as the word, letter, character, or symbol immediately preceding them. (Chicago Manual of Style, Fourteenth Edition.) E.g., "I was very ''excited!'' Weren't you?"
	# All punctuation marks should appear in the same font ~~{{m-}}~~ roman or italic ~~{{m-}}~~ as the main or surrounding text, except for punctuation that belongs to a title or an exclamation in a different font. (Chicago Manual of Style, Fifteenth Edition.) E.g., "I was very ''excited''! Weren't you?"		# All punctuation marks should appear in the same font — roman or italic — as the main or surrounding text, except for punctuation that belongs to a title or an exclamation in a different font. (Chicago Manual of Style, Fifteenth Edition.) E.g., "I was very ''excited''! Weren't you?"
	(Note the difference in how the exclamation mark is rendered in the examples.) I prefer option 1. Opinions? [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)		(Note the difference in how the exclamation mark is rendered in the examples.) I prefer option 1. Opinions? [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:33, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

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	::::What he said, with a side order of "and Interrobang and I happen to disagree over the correct style, so . . . " [[User:JW\|JW]] 12:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::::What he said, with a side order of "and Interrobang and I happen to disagree over the correct style, so . . . " [[User:JW\|JW]] 12:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

Repowers: /* Naming: series suffixes */

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Naming: series suffixes

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	So are we using (UT) or (Unicron Trilogy)? Also, what do we do about Blurr - both in Armada and Cybertron (arguably) as different characters? --[[User:Alexamar]]		So are we using (UT) or (Unicron Trilogy)? Also, what do we do about Blurr - both in Armada and Cybertron (arguably) as different characters? --[[User:Alexamar]]

	Blurr's an interesting case. He actually has TWO bios. One that suggests he's a different character, and a separate one that only appears on the website which states outright he's the Armada guy. Both contradict his appearances on the television series. I would suggest merely noting this at the end of Blurr (UT)'s page. However, there ARE several names reused in the same continuity, like Silverbolt (BW), Barrage (G1), and Thunderblast (UT). When we stumble upon cases like these, an additional modifier should suffice, such as [[Silverbolt (BW) (Fuzor)]] or [[Thunderblast (UT) (Mini-Con)]]. --[[User:ItsWalky]]		Blurr's an interesting case. He actually has TWO bios. One that suggests he's a different character, and a separate one that only appears on the website which states outright he's the Armada guy. Both contradict his appearances on the television series. I would suggest merely noting this at the end of Blurr (UT)'s page. However, there ARE several names reused in the same continuity, like Silverbolt (BW), Barrage (G1), and Thunderblast (UT). When we stumble upon cases like these, an additional modifier should suffice, such as "Silverbolt (BW) (Fuzor)" or "Thunderblast (UT) (Mini-Con)". --[[User:ItsWalky]]

	An encyclopedia is supposed to accommodate readers, not editors. A reader shouldn't be expected to know what the Hell "UT" means without looking it up, nor not snicker at "BM". If you were that enamored with the naming system, then perhaps you should've established it in a style guide to indicate some actual consensus; it doesn't really serve as a deterrent after the fact. Now there's some evidence of actual consensus, I'll back off on the naming issue. I'll suggest [[Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)]] and [[Thunderblast (UT Mini-Con)]], though. [[User:Singularity\|Singularity]] 19:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)		An encyclopedia is supposed to accommodate readers, not editors. A reader shouldn't be expected to know what the Hell "UT" means without looking it up, nor not snicker at "BM". If you were that enamored with the naming system, then perhaps you should've established it in a style guide to indicate some actual consensus; it doesn't really serve as a deterrent after the fact. Now there's some evidence of actual consensus, I'll back off on the naming issue. I'll suggest "Silverbolt (BW Fuzor)" and "Thunderblast (UT Mini-Con)", though. [[User:Singularity\|Singularity]] 19:47, 11 March 2006 (UTC)

	I'm going to say that Thunderblast should have (UT) and (Mini-Con) instead of (UT Mini-Con) - as Thunderblast is both a Mini-Con and part of the UT, instead of an isolated group of (UT Mini-Cons). Same for Silverbolt - (BW) (Fuzor) instead of (BW Fuzor). BW Fuzor excludes all of BW and the other Fuzors... dig?		I'm going to say that Thunderblast should have (UT) and (Mini-Con) instead of (UT Mini-Con) - as Thunderblast is both a Mini-Con and part of the UT, instead of an isolated group of (UT Mini-Cons). Same for Silverbolt - (BW) (Fuzor) instead of (BW Fuzor). BW Fuzor excludes all of BW and the other Fuzors... dig?

Derik: /* Templates for "In such and such continuity..." */ Fixing typos in his gleeful sarcasm

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	:::::I have investigated, and unfortunately I have to report that the messagebox templates at the top of the page '''do''' conflict with the in-page floatbox ads.		:::::I have investigated, and unfortunately I have to report that the messagebox templates at the top of the page '''do''' conflict with the in-page floatbox ads.
	:::::You see, the messageboxes are created using ''tables'', and when the wiki adblock sees a table at the top of the page, it figures- "Gee, I can't float there, I'll cover up part of the table!" And it substitutes a '''much''' less monitizable banner above the the article. This is very sad for Wikia, because it means that many of our pages will ''not'' feature these highly-desirable page-destroying ads, they will instead features [http://communitytest.wikia.com/wiki/Gonzo_Through_the_Years these] much less desirable banner ads.		:::::You see, the messageboxes are created using ''tables'', and when the wiki adblock sees a table at the top of the page, it figures- "Gee, I can't float there, I'll cover up part of the table!" And it substitutes a '''much''' less monitizable banner above the the article. This is very sad for Wikia, because it means that many of our pages will ''not'' feature these highly-desirable page-destroying ads, they will instead features [http://communitytest.wikia.com/wiki/Gonzo_Through_the_Years these] much less desirable banner ads.
	:::::This is especially tragic because I have just <small>(in response to some unrelated discussion whose details escape me at the moment)</small> converted all our disambig templates into (identical-looking) tables, which means that any page which has a disambig tag will ''also'' not have the pushing-down adblocks. This is ''awful'' for Wikia, I el '''terrible'''. However, tremendous amount of work and man-hours involves in executing the conversion, and I just don't think it would be practical to switch them back. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)		:::::This is especially tragic because I have just <small>(in response to some unrelated discussion whose details escape me at the moment)</small> converted all our disambig templates into (identical-looking) tables, which means that any page which has a disambig tag will ''also'' not have the pushing-down adblocks. This is ''awful'' for Wikia, I feel '''terrible'''. However, tremendous amount of work and man-hours involves in executing the conversion, and I just don't think it would be practical to switch them back. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

	== Spoilers ==		== Spoilers ==

Derik: /* Templates for "In such and such continuity..." */ Derik is shameless and awful and kinda wonderful sometimes.

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	:::Oh, the new ad blocks are gonna break all the top-of-article notices, '''guaranteed'''. They don't even work with floated images. It'll be like you floated an image in the first line of an article. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 00:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)		:::Oh, the new ad blocks are gonna break all the top-of-article notices, '''guaranteed'''. They don't even work with floated images. It'll be like you floated an image in the first line of an article. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 00:55, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
	::::...actually, i just had a thought. hrm... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)		::::...actually, i just had a thought. hrm... -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:29, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
			:::::I have investigated, and unfortunately I have to report that the messagebox templates at the top of the page '''do''' conflict with the in-page floatbox ads.
			:::::You see, the messageboxes are created using ''tables'', and when the wiki adblock sees a table at the top of the page, it figures- "Gee, I can't float there, I'll cover up part of the table!" And it substitutes a '''much''' less monitizable banner above the the article. This is very sad for Wikia, because it means that many of our pages will ''not'' feature these highly-desirable page-destroying ads, they will instead features [http://communitytest.wikia.com/wiki/Gonzo_Through_the_Years these] much less desirable banner ads.
			:::::This is especially tragic because I have just <small>(in response to some unrelated discussion whose details escape me at the moment)</small> converted all our disambig templates into (identical-looking) tables, which means that any page which has a disambig tag will ''also'' not have the pushing-down adblocks. This is ''awful'' for Wikia, I el '''terrible'''. However, tremendous amount of work and man-hours involves in executing the conversion, and I just don't think it would be practical to switch them back. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:54, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

	== Spoilers ==		== Spoilers ==

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	:::::::::Steve-o, I'm pretty sure he was bring up the manuls is because it was easier to type. Anything in the style guide would spell it out. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 04:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		:::::::::Steve-o, I'm pretty sure he was bring up the manuls is because it was easier to type. Anything in the style guide would spell it out. --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 04:53, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	I'm pretty much in the same boat as Steve-o. I can't say I see the point in specifying any of this in a style guide. It seems really, really, ''really'' pedantic... and most people are gonna goddamn ignore it anyway. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		I'm pretty much in the same boat as Steve-o. I can't say I see the point in specifying any of this in a style guide. It seems really, really, ''really'' pedantic... and most people are gonna goddamn ignore it anyway. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:23, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	:All I can say is, [http://~~transformers~~.~~wikia.com~~/index.php?title=Transmetal&diff=~~153787~~&oldid=~~153730~~ I got bitched out for it,] with no policy to fall back on. If we're going to have editors who want to hound others with edits as pedantic as this, then apparently it matters to establish this kind of thing. For what it's worth, the strongest emotion I've seen come out of this discussion is apathy, which I agree with more than anything. If this Talk page can be used from here on as evidence for the "seriously, un-bunch your damn panties" position, then we've accomplished as much as if we'd changed the style guide. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 06:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		:All I can say is, [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Transmetal&diff=10203&oldid=10202 I got bitched out for it,] with no policy to fall back on. If we're going to have editors who want to hound others with edits as pedantic as this, then apparently it matters to establish this kind of thing. For what it's worth, the strongest emotion I've seen come out of this discussion is apathy, which I agree with more than anything. If this Talk page can be used from here on as evidence for the "seriously, un-bunch your damn panties" position, then we've accomplished as much as if we'd changed the style guide. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 06:42, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	::I was half-joking. You know this, yes? [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 06:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::I was half-joking. You know this, yes? [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 06:50, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	:::How much of a joke was it if you called it out in comments and spent the time to "correct" it? Clearly it matters to you enough to try to impose your own method and make people stop doing what you don't like. Which is what the style guide is ultimately for, so here we are. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 07:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		:::How much of a joke was it if you called it out in comments and spent the time to "correct" it? Clearly it matters to you enough to try to impose your own method and make people stop doing what you don't like. Which is what the style guide is ultimately for, so here we are. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 07:06, 3 March 2008 (UTC)

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	::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)		::::Fair enough. [[User:Interrobang\|—Interrobang]] 15:04, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
	I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		I'm going to try to write something which will make as many people as possible happy. Let me know what you think. [[User:JW\|JW]] 15:00, 3 March 2008 (UTC)