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IGEBM13: /* Combiner Wars: Sunbow meets IDW */ Adding quotations to episode names, moving some punctuation to be inside the quotes, and italicizing ship and comic names

2025-06-27T15:42:49Z

Combiner Wars: Sunbow meets IDW: Adding quotations to episode names, moving some punctuation to be inside the quotes, and italicizing ship and comic names

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	The extended bios printed on the back of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] comic book reprints [[pack-in material\|included]] with the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)\|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxes (when purchased in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and Asia) present a strange hybrid continuity that merges elements of the classic [[Sunbow Productions\|Sunbow]] [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and the [[2005 IDW continuity]]:		The extended bios printed on the back of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] comic book reprints [[pack-in material\|included]] with the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)\|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxes (when purchased in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and Asia) present a strange hybrid continuity that merges elements of the classic [[Sunbow Productions\|Sunbow]] [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and the [[2005 IDW continuity]]:

	The [[Aerialbot (G1)\|Aerialbot]]s and [[Protectobot (G1)\|Protectobot]]s are explicitly stated to have existed back on [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. For the Aerialbots, this is clearly at odds with their origin in the cartoon's [[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]. The Protectobots, meanwhile, are never given an explicit origin in the cartoon, they just suddenly "exist".		The [[Aerialbot (G1)\|Aerialbot]]s and [[Protectobot (G1)\|Protectobot]]s are explicitly stated to have existed back on [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. For the Aerialbots, this is clearly at odds with their origin in the cartoon's "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]." The Protectobots, meanwhile, are never given an explicit origin in the cartoon, they just suddenly "exist."

	The [[Stunticon (G1)\|Stunticon]]s, on the other hand, were supposedly created by Megatron "as part of an Earth-based infiltration unit" and "as the Decepticon response to Autobot dominance of the streets and highways of Earth", which mirrors their cartoon origin in [[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1]], but at the same time, the ambiguous phrasing also implies that they already existed before, and Megatron merely created their alternate modes.		The [[Stunticon (G1)\|Stunticon]]s, on the other hand, were supposedly created by Megatron "as part of an Earth-based infiltration unit" and "as the Decepticon response to Autobot dominance of the streets and highways of Earth," which mirrors their cartoon origin in "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1]]," but at the same time, the ambiguous phrasing also implies that they already existed before, and Megatron merely created their alternate modes.

	New additions [[Alpha Bravo]] and [[Offroad (CW)\|Offroad]] are explicitly said to replace "fallen" team members, but [[Slingshot (G1)\|Quickslinger]] and [[Wildrider (G1)\|Brake-Neck]]'s bios (obviously) don't make mention of this. In the IDW continuity, Slingshot ''did'' die, while Wildrider simply walked away off-panel, never to be seen again.		New additions [[Alpha Bravo]] and [[Offroad (CW)\|Offroad]] are explicitly said to replace "fallen" team members, but [[Slingshot (G1)\|Quickslinger]] and [[Wildrider (G1)\|Brake-Neck]]'s bios (obviously) don't make mention of this. In the IDW continuity, Slingshot ''did'' die, while Wildrider simply walked away off-panel, never to be seen again.
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	[[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]]'s bio singles him out as having been imprisoned on Cybertron away from his fellow Combaticons (a clear IDW reference), but at the same time implies that the [[Combaticon (G1)\|Combaticon]]s already possessed the ability to combine into [[Bruticus (G1)\|Bruticus]] by that point (which is at odds with the IDW continuity). [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]]'s bio also explicitly mentions events mirroring those of IDW's ''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]''.		[[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]]'s bio singles him out as having been imprisoned on Cybertron away from his fellow Combaticons (a clear IDW reference), but at the same time implies that the [[Combaticon (G1)\|Combaticon]]s already possessed the ability to combine into [[Bruticus (G1)\|Bruticus]] by that point (which is at odds with the IDW continuity). [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]]'s bio also explicitly mentions events mirroring those of IDW's ''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]''.

	The 1984 Autobots are where it gets really confusing: While the "Ark" (or "Autobot Ark") mentioned in several bios could be interpreted to refer to either the [[Ark (G1)\|ship of the same name]] from the cartoon, or the [[Ark-19]] from the early IDW stories, and [[Wheeljack (G1)\|Wheeljack]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)\|Sunstreaker]] were members of both ships' crews, both [[Hound (G1)\|Hound]] and [[Mirage (G1)\|Mirage]] are said to have been part of the initial Autobot crew that arrived on Earth, which is true of their cartoon selves but not their IDW versions. In addition, the Ark is alternately stated to have "landed" (Sunstreaker), "crash-landed" (Hound) or "crashed" (Wheeljack), with the ship from the IDW continuity (presumably) having made a safe landing while the ship from the cartoon crashed. Hound is also said to have scouted the new world under orders from [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], like he did in the cartoon, while Sunstreaker, Prowl and Wheeljack's bios are chock-full of IDW references (such as the [[Lost Light]], the [[Iaconian Mechaforensic Division\|Iaconian Police Force's Mechaforensic Division]], the [[Technoversity of Ultirex\|Ultirex Technoversity]], the "moral grayness" on Earth, "rebuilding" the Aerialbots or even some ~~of the~~ events from [[All Hail Megatron issue 8]] and ''[[The Waiting Game\|Spotlight: Hoist]]'').		The 1984 Autobots are where it gets really confusing: While the "''Ark''" (or "Autobot ''Ark''") mentioned in several bios could be interpreted to refer to either the [[Ark (G1)\|ship of the same name]] from the cartoon, or the ''[[Ark-19]]'' from the early IDW stories, and [[Wheeljack (G1)\|Wheeljack]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)\|Sunstreaker]] were members of both ships' crews, both [[Hound (G1)\|Hound]] and [[Mirage (G1)\|Mirage]] are said to have been part of the initial Autobot crew that arrived on Earth, which is true of their cartoon selves but not their IDW versions. In addition, the ''Ark'' is alternately stated to have "landed" (Sunstreaker), "crash-landed" (Hound) or "crashed" (Wheeljack), with the ship from the IDW continuity (presumably) having made a safe landing while the ship from the cartoon crashed. Hound is also said to have scouted the new world under orders from [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], like he did in the cartoon, while Sunstreaker, Prowl and Wheeljack's bios are chock-full of IDW references (such as the ''[[Lost Light]]'', the [[Iaconian Mechaforensic Division\|Iaconian Police Force's Mechaforensic Division]], the [[Technoversity of Ultirex\|Ultirex Technoversity]], the "moral grayness" on Earth, "rebuilding" the Aerialbots, and even some events from [[All Hail Megatron issue 8\|''All Hail Megatron'' issue 8]] and ''[[The Waiting Game\|Spotlight: Hoist]]'').

	On top of that, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, Fireflight/Firefly and even Trailbreaker/Trailcutter's name changes are explicitly addressed in-continuity.		On top of that, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, Fireflight/Firefly and even Trailbreaker/Trailcutter's name changes are explicitly addressed in-continuity.

Sky Shadow: /* Combiner Wars: Sunbow meets IDW */

2025-06-27T11:16:21Z

Combiner Wars: Sunbow meets IDW

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	[[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]]'s bio singles him out as having been imprisoned on Cybertron away from his fellow Combaticons (a clear IDW reference), but at the same time implies that the [[Combaticon (G1)\|Combaticon]]s already possessed the ability to combine into [[Bruticus (G1)\|Bruticus]] by that point (which is at odds with the IDW continuity). [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]]'s bio also explicitly mentions events mirroring those of IDW's ''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]''.		[[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]]'s bio singles him out as having been imprisoned on Cybertron away from his fellow Combaticons (a clear IDW reference), but at the same time implies that the [[Combaticon (G1)\|Combaticon]]s already possessed the ability to combine into [[Bruticus (G1)\|Bruticus]] by that point (which is at odds with the IDW continuity). [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]]'s bio also explicitly mentions events mirroring those of IDW's ''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]''.

	The 1984 Autobots are where it gets really confusing: While the "Ark" (or "Autobot Ark") mentioned in several bios could be interpreted to refer to either the [[Ark (G1)\|ship of the same name]] from the cartoon, or the [[Ark-19]] from the early IDW stories, and [[Wheeljack (G1)\|Wheeljack]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)\|Sunstreaker]] were members of both ships' crews, both [[Hound (G1)\|Hound]] and [[Mirage (G1)\|Mirage]] are said to have been part of the initial Autobot crew that arrived on Earth, which is true of their cartoon selves but not their IDW versions. In addition, the Ark is alternately stated to have "landed" (Sunstreaker), "crash-landed" (Hound) or "crashed" (Wheeljack), with the ship from the IDW continuity (presumably) having made a safe landing while the ship from the cartoon crashed. Hound is also said to have scouted the new world under orders from [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], like he did in the cartoon, while Sunstreaker, Prowl and Wheeljack's bios are chock-full of IDW references (such as the [[Lost Light]], the [[Iaconian Mechaforensic Division\|Iaconian Police Force's Mechaforensic Division]], the [[Ultirex~~]] [[~~Technoversity]], the "moral grayness" on Earth, "rebuilding" the Aerialbots or even some of the events from [[All Hail Megatron issue 8]] and ''[[The Waiting Game\|Spotlight: Hoist]]'').		The 1984 Autobots are where it gets really confusing: While the "Ark" (or "Autobot Ark") mentioned in several bios could be interpreted to refer to either the [[Ark (G1)\|ship of the same name]] from the cartoon, or the [[Ark-19]] from the early IDW stories, and [[Wheeljack (G1)\|Wheeljack]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)\|Sunstreaker]] were members of both ships' crews, both [[Hound (G1)\|Hound]] and [[Mirage (G1)\|Mirage]] are said to have been part of the initial Autobot crew that arrived on Earth, which is true of their cartoon selves but not their IDW versions. In addition, the Ark is alternately stated to have "landed" (Sunstreaker), "crash-landed" (Hound) or "crashed" (Wheeljack), with the ship from the IDW continuity (presumably) having made a safe landing while the ship from the cartoon crashed. Hound is also said to have scouted the new world under orders from [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], like he did in the cartoon, while Sunstreaker, Prowl and Wheeljack's bios are chock-full of IDW references (such as the [[Lost Light]], the [[Iaconian Mechaforensic Division\|Iaconian Police Force's Mechaforensic Division]], the [[Technoversity of Ultirex\|Ultirex Technoversity]], the "moral grayness" on Earth, "rebuilding" the Aerialbots or even some of the events from [[All Hail Megatron issue 8]] and ''[[The Waiting Game\|Spotlight: Hoist]]'').

	On top of that, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, Fireflight/Firefly and even Trailbreaker/Trailcutter's name changes are explicitly addressed in-continuity.		On top of that, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, Fireflight/Firefly and even Trailbreaker/Trailcutter's name changes are explicitly addressed in-continuity.

Nevermore: /* Optimus vs. Malignus */

2025-06-19T22:56:24Z

Optimus vs. Malignus

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	In Brazil, [[Estrela]] released redecos of several [[Mini Vehicle]]s that were declared members of two seemingly entirely new, warring factions, named the heroic [[Optimus (faction)\|Optimus]] and the evil [[Malignus (G1)\|Malignus]].		In Brazil, [[Estrela]] released redecos of several [[Mini Vehicle]]s that were declared members of two seemingly entirely new, warring factions, named the heroic [[Optimus (faction)\|Optimus]] and the evil [[Malignus (G1)\|Malignus]].

	In reality, the "Optimus" and "Malignus" names were first introduced in the [[1985]] Brazilian localization of the U.S. comics as the localized names for the Autobots and Decepticons; however, they would show up complete ~~witb~~ new, unique insigna as part of Estrela's [[1986]] [[Estrela#Transformers\|"Optimus X Malignus" toy line-up]] - the aforementioned Mini-Vehicle redecos - while the concurrently-released localization of the cartoon in the same year abandoned the Optimus and Malignus names in favor of the regular Autobot and Decepticon names and insignia. The result, thus, is that fans tended to interpret the Optimus and Malignus toys as original characters and thus the Optimus and Malignus as entirely new factions, an interpretation that would be later canonized by media like ''[[Transformers: TransTech]]'' and ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.		In reality, the "Optimus" and "Malignus" names were first introduced in the [[1985]] Brazilian localization of the U.S. comics as the localized names for the Autobots and Decepticons; however, they would show up complete with new, unique insigna as part of Estrela's [[1986]] [[Estrela#Transformers\|"Optimus X Malignus" toy line-up]] - the aforementioned Mini-Vehicle redecos - while the concurrently-released localization of the cartoon in the same year abandoned the Optimus and Malignus names in favor of the regular Autobot and Decepticon names and insignia. The result, thus, is that fans tended to interpret the Optimus and Malignus toys as original characters and thus the Optimus and Malignus as entirely new factions, an interpretation that would be later canonized by media like ''[[Transformers: TransTech]]'' and ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.

	==== German text stories ====		==== German text stories ====

Nevermore: /* Optimus vs. Malignus */

2025-06-19T22:55:57Z

Optimus vs. Malignus

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	In Brazil, [[Estrela]] released redecos of several [[Mini Vehicle]]s that were declared members of two seemingly entirely new, warring factions, named the heroic [[Optimus (faction)\|Optimus]] and the evil [[Malignus (G1)\|Malignus]].		In Brazil, [[Estrela]] released redecos of several [[Mini Vehicle]]s that were declared members of two seemingly entirely new, warring factions, named the heroic [[Optimus (faction)\|Optimus]] and the evil [[Malignus (G1)\|Malignus]].

	In reality, the "Optimus" and "Malignus" names were first introduced in the [[1985]] Brazilian localization of the U.S. comics as the localized names for the Autobots and Decepticons, ~~however;~~ they would show up new unique insigna as part of Estrela's [[1986]] [[Estrela#Transformers\|"Optimus X Malignus" toy line-up]] - the aforementioned Mini-Vehicle redecos - while the concurrently-released localization of the cartoon in the same year abandoned the Optimus and Malignus names in favor of the regular Autobot and Decepticon names and insignia. The result, thus; is that fans tended to interpret the Optimus and Malignus toys as original characters and thus the Optimus and Malignus as entirely new factions, an interpretation that would be later canonized by media like ''[[Transformers: TransTech]]'' and ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.		In reality, the "Optimus" and "Malignus" names were first introduced in the [[1985]] Brazilian localization of the U.S. comics as the localized names for the Autobots and Decepticons; however, they would show up complete witb new, unique insigna as part of Estrela's [[1986]] [[Estrela#Transformers\|"Optimus X Malignus" toy line-up]] - the aforementioned Mini-Vehicle redecos - while the concurrently-released localization of the cartoon in the same year abandoned the Optimus and Malignus names in favor of the regular Autobot and Decepticon names and insignia. The result, thus, is that fans tended to interpret the Optimus and Malignus toys as original characters and thus the Optimus and Malignus as entirely new factions, an interpretation that would be later canonized by media like ''[[Transformers: TransTech]]'' and ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.

	==== German text stories ====		==== German text stories ====

FortressMaxxing: /* Optimus vs. Malignus */ Clarifying current knowledge on Optimus X Malignus

2025-06-11T18:15:57Z

Optimus vs. Malignus: Clarifying current knowledge on Optimus X Malignus

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	==== Optimus vs. Malignus ====		==== Optimus vs. Malignus ====
	In Brazil, [[Estrela]] released redecos of several [[Mini Vehicle]]s that were declared members of two entirely new, warring factions, named "[[Optimus (faction)\|Optimus]]" and "[[Malignus (G1)\|Malignus]]". ~~What relation~~, ~~if any, these have to~~ the ~~classic~~ Autobot/Decepticon ~~conflict~~ is ~~unknown~~.		In Brazil, [[Estrela]] released redecos of several [[Mini Vehicle]]s that were declared members of two seemingly entirely new, warring factions, named the heroic [[Optimus (faction)\|Optimus]] and the evil [[Malignus (G1)\|Malignus]].

			In reality, the "Optimus" and "Malignus" names were first introduced in the [[1985]] Brazilian localization of the U.S. comics as the localized names for the Autobots and Decepticons, however; they would show up new unique insigna as part of Estrela's [[1986]] [[Estrela#Transformers\|"Optimus X Malignus" toy line-up]] - the aforementioned Mini-Vehicle redecos - while the concurrently-released localization of the cartoon in the same year abandoned the Optimus and Malignus names in favor of the regular Autobot and Decepticon names and insignia. The result, thus; is that fans tended to interpret the Optimus and Malignus toys as original characters and thus the Optimus and Malignus as entirely new factions, an interpretation that would be later canonized by media like ''[[Transformers: TransTech]]'' and ''[[Beast Wars: Uprising]]''.

	==== German text stories ====		==== German text stories ====

Primestar3: The Scorponok part is incorrect.

2024-05-19T10:51:16Z

The Scorponok part is incorrect.

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	====Transformers (2007) and the expanded early Movieverse====		====Transformers (2007) and the expanded early Movieverse====
	[[File:Mov2007-toy FAB FireBlastPrime.JPG\|upright=1.66\|thumb\|left\|The battle on Mars you only heard about.]]		[[File:Mov2007-toy FAB FireBlastPrime.JPG\|upright=1.66\|thumb\|left\|The battle on Mars you only heard about.]]
	Various inconsistencies between the bios for the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)\|2007 ''Transformers'' movie toyline]] and prequel fiction for the [[Transformers (film)\|film]] (notably, IDW Publishing's ''[[Transformers: Movie Prequel\|Movie Prequel]]'' limited series) give the impression of a different ''pre''-movie continuity. ~~Two~~ main ~~differences are~~ that [[Hardtop (Movie)\|Hardtop]] is the one that silenced Bumblebee~~; and that ''[[Scorponok (Movie)\|Scorponok]]'' was the one leading the search for the All Spark, and wanted to take full command~~.		Various inconsistencies between the bios for the [[Transformers (2007 toyline)\|2007 ''Transformers'' movie toyline]] and prequel fiction for the [[Transformers (film)\|film]] (notably, IDW Publishing's ''[[Transformers: Movie Prequel\|Movie Prequel]]'' limited series) give the impression of a different ''pre''-movie continuity. One main difference is that [[Hardtop (Movie)\|Hardtop]] is the one that silenced Bumblebee.

	Furthermore, toys from the movie toyline continued to be released after the movie had ended, and a number of their bios placed themselves as happening ''after'' the movie. With no narrative backing and the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|sequel]] not using these concepts, the bios create an implied continuity where [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] was infused with the power of the All Spark, [[Jazz (Movie)\|Jazz]], [[Brawl (Movie)\|Brawl]], and [[Bonecrusher (Movie)\|Bonecrusher]] were not dead, [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] and (temporarily) [[Bumblebee (Movie)\|Bumblebee]] retired, Bumblebee's existence was revealed to the public via the internet to the point where he had to change his color to avoid being recognized, [[Starscream (Movie)\|Starscream]] carried out a stealthy war, and the Autobots took the fight to the Decepticons on [[Mars (planet)\|Mars]]. Also, quite a few characters have toys with Earth-based alternate modes and are implied by their bios to interact with the movie characters post-movie, even though many of them are killed off before they ever make it to Earth (let alone scan a new alternate mode) or gain full sentience in [[IDW Publishing\|IDW's]] movie continuity, and otherwise only appear in [[Titan Books\|Titan Magazine's]] [[splinter timeline]] where the [[Transformers (film)\|movie's]] events end with Megatron being victorious.		Furthermore, toys from the movie toyline continued to be released after the movie had ended, and a number of their bios placed themselves as happening ''after'' the movie. With no narrative backing and the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|sequel]] not using these concepts, the bios create an implied continuity where [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] was infused with the power of the All Spark, [[Jazz (Movie)\|Jazz]], [[Brawl (Movie)\|Brawl]], and [[Bonecrusher (Movie)\|Bonecrusher]] were not dead, [[Ironhide (Movie)\|Ironhide]] and (temporarily) [[Bumblebee (Movie)\|Bumblebee]] retired, Bumblebee's existence was revealed to the public via the internet to the point where he had to change his color to avoid being recognized, [[Starscream (Movie)\|Starscream]] carried out a stealthy war, and the Autobots took the fight to the Decepticons on [[Mars (planet)\|Mars]]. Also, quite a few characters have toys with Earth-based alternate modes and are implied by their bios to interact with the movie characters post-movie, even though many of them are killed off before they ever make it to Earth (let alone scan a new alternate mode) or gain full sentience in [[IDW Publishing\|IDW's]] movie continuity, and otherwise only appear in [[Titan Books\|Titan Magazine's]] [[splinter timeline]] where the [[Transformers (film)\|movie's]] events end with Megatron being victorious.

Cyberlink420: /* When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? */

2023-12-22T22:39:11Z

When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity?

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	== When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? ==		== When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? ==
	There are some continuities which have attempted to explain retroactively the presence (or rather absence) of the non-show characters in both ''Beast Wars'' and ''Beast Machines''. [[3H Productions\|3H]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Wreckers\|Wreckers]]'' comics and associated projects attempted to fill out much of the ''Beast Machines'' gaps in a workable fashion, while [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] ~~has~~ tackled virtually every toy-only ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)\|Beast Wars]]'' character in ''[[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering\|The Gathering]]''. However, these two approaches contradict each other, and neither have provided expansive storylines. Whether one deems these stories to be part of the larger show-based canon (despite contradictions) as [[splinter timeline]]s, individual "complementary" continuities, or indeed just larger-than-usual micro-continuities themselves is, like most things, up to the individual fan's taste and [[personal canon]].		There are some continuities which have attempted to explain retroactively the presence (or rather absence) of the non-show characters in both ''Beast Wars'' and ''Beast Machines''. [[3H Productions\|3H]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Wreckers\|Wreckers]]'' comics and associated projects attempted to fill out much of the ''Beast Machines'' gaps in a workable fashion, while [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] tackled virtually every toy-only ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)\|Beast Wars]]'' character in ''[[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering\|The Gathering]]''. However, these two approaches contradict each other, and neither have provided expansive storylines. Whether one deems these stories to be part of the larger show-based canon (despite contradictions) as [[splinter timeline]]s, individual "complementary" continuities, or indeed just larger-than-usual micro-continuities themselves is, like most things, up to the individual fan's taste and [[personal canon]].

	By the same token, the comic book fictions for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|Generation 2]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Classics\|Classics]]'' present timelines that diverge from the U.S./U.K. [[List of Generation 1 comics\|Marvel comic]], each representing full toylines. This may be compared with ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers\|Machine Wars]]'' which is apparently a continuation of G1 but may or may not exist (later) in the same timeline as G2. Whether such examples of divergent offshoots of larger continuities should be classed as micro-continuities (in spite of toylines and many issues of fiction) or be included with their "parent" continuities as branched extensions is, again, a matter of taste and [[personal canon]].		By the same token, the comic book fictions for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|Generation 2]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Classics\|Classics]]'' present timelines that diverge from the U.S./U.K. [[List of Generation 1 comics\|Marvel comic]], each representing full toylines. This may be compared with ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers\|Machine Wars]]'' which is apparently a continuation of G1 but may or may not exist (later) in the same timeline as G2. Whether such examples of divergent offshoots of larger continuities should be classed as micro-continuities (in spite of toylines and many issues of fiction) or be included with their "parent" continuities as branched extensions is, again, a matter of taste and [[personal canon]].

GuiRitter: fixed grammar

2023-11-25T12:33:34Z

fixed grammar

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	====BotBots====		====BotBots====
	In the Goldrush Games digital commercial, the [[mall (BotBots)\|mall]] the [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)\|BotBots]] occupy is [[scale]]d different ~~then~~ it is presented in other fiction. It is either much smaller or the BotBots themselves are much larger, as it appears they are roughly human size. This also seems to be the case for the checklist inserts for series 1 to 3 and possibly the ''Get Ready, Get Set...'' stop motion video as well.		In the Goldrush Games digital commercial, the [[mall (BotBots)\|mall]] the [[Transformers: BotBots (franchise)\|BotBots]] occupy is [[scale]]d different than it is presented in other fiction. It is either much smaller or the BotBots themselves are much larger, as it appears they are roughly human size. This also seems to be the case for the checklist inserts for series 1 to 3 and possibly the ''Get Ready, Get Set...'' stop motion video as well.

	=== International oddities ===		=== International oddities ===

GuiRitter: fixed typo

2023-11-25T11:37:31Z

fixed typo

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	The commercial for the [[Iron-on patch\|reflective patches]] has [[Spike Witwicky (G1)\|Spike Witwicky]] lead two human friends of his who never appeared outside this commercial to a really weird-looking Autobot base hidden inside a mountain cliff.		The commercial for the [[Iron-on patch\|reflective patches]] has [[Spike Witwicky (G1)\|Spike Witwicky]] lead two human friends of his who never appeared outside this commercial to a really weird-looking Autobot base hidden inside a mountain cliff.

	A commercial for the 1987 [[Headmaster (technology)\|Headmaster]] toys took an early concept for the Decepticons' [[Nebulan]] partners as "trainers" for their beastly companions quite literally, as they are shown putting [[Skullcruncher (G1)\|~~Skullcrucher~~]], [[Weirdwolf (G1)\|Weirdwolf]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)\|Mindwipe]] through their paces, using whips to have them jump through hoops and smash through rock statues of the Autobot Headmasters. Even a commercial that specifically advertises the [[Marvel Comics\|Marvel]] [[The Transformers: Headmasters\|''Headmasters'' comic book limited series]] features a lengthy animated segment that depicts events (with accompanying narration by Victor Caroli) that matches neither the cartoon nor the comic book it promotes: Here, the story of the Headmasters starts off "in the midst of the Cybertronian war", with Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge and a [[Sweep (G1)\|Sweep]] attacking Cybertron, while [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Blurr (G1)\|Blurr]] fend off either [[Laserbeak (G1)\|Laserbeak]] or [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Springer (G1)\|Springer]] tackles [[Soundwave (G1)\|Soundwave]], [[Grimlock (G1)\|Grimlock]] fights [[Razorclaw (G1)\|Razorclaw]], Ultra Magnus is attacked by [[Rumble (G1)\|Rumble]], [[Frenzy (G1)\|Frenzy]] and a miscolored [[Ravage (G1)\|Ravage]], and [[Rampage (G1)\|Rampage]] and [[Gnaw (G1)\|Gnaw]] face opponents who are offscreen. While all this is going on, so the narration explains, "special mission teams of Autobots and Decepticons blast[...] their way to planet [[Nebulos\|Nebulon]]". These "special teams" include [[Chromedome (G1)\|Chromedome]], [[Highbrow (G1)\|Highbrow]], [[Brainstorm (G1)\|Brainstorm]], [[Hardhead (G1)\|Hardhead]], Skullcruncher, Weirdwolf and Mindwipe, who all arrive on board the same space ship which they depart peacefully, side by side, and sport different heads than their toy-based standard animation models. After taking off these original heads, the Nebulans transform into the familiar heads for the Cybertronians. But since the Headmasters are "still Autobots and Decepticons", they continue to fight, with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)\|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)\|Scorponok]], both of them about the same size as their cartoon selves, as well as the [[Targetmaster (technology)\|Targetmaster]]s soon joining the fray.		A commercial for the 1987 [[Headmaster (technology)\|Headmaster]] toys took an early concept for the Decepticons' [[Nebulan]] partners as "trainers" for their beastly companions quite literally, as they are shown putting [[Skullcruncher (G1)\|Skullcruncher]], [[Weirdwolf (G1)\|Weirdwolf]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)\|Mindwipe]] through their paces, using whips to have them jump through hoops and smash through rock statues of the Autobot Headmasters. Even a commercial that specifically advertises the [[Marvel Comics\|Marvel]] [[The Transformers: Headmasters\|''Headmasters'' comic book limited series]] features a lengthy animated segment that depicts events (with accompanying narration by Victor Caroli) that matches neither the cartoon nor the comic book it promotes: Here, the story of the Headmasters starts off "in the midst of the Cybertronian war", with Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge and a [[Sweep (G1)\|Sweep]] attacking Cybertron, while [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Blurr (G1)\|Blurr]] fend off either [[Laserbeak (G1)\|Laserbeak]] or [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Springer (G1)\|Springer]] tackles [[Soundwave (G1)\|Soundwave]], [[Grimlock (G1)\|Grimlock]] fights [[Razorclaw (G1)\|Razorclaw]], Ultra Magnus is attacked by [[Rumble (G1)\|Rumble]], [[Frenzy (G1)\|Frenzy]] and a miscolored [[Ravage (G1)\|Ravage]], and [[Rampage (G1)\|Rampage]] and [[Gnaw (G1)\|Gnaw]] face opponents who are offscreen. While all this is going on, so the narration explains, "special mission teams of Autobots and Decepticons blast[...] their way to planet [[Nebulos\|Nebulon]]". These "special teams" include [[Chromedome (G1)\|Chromedome]], [[Highbrow (G1)\|Highbrow]], [[Brainstorm (G1)\|Brainstorm]], [[Hardhead (G1)\|Hardhead]], Skullcruncher, Weirdwolf and Mindwipe, who all arrive on board the same space ship which they depart peacefully, side by side, and sport different heads than their toy-based standard animation models. After taking off these original heads, the Nebulans transform into the familiar heads for the Cybertronians. But since the Headmasters are "still Autobots and Decepticons", they continue to fight, with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)\|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)\|Scorponok]], both of them about the same size as their cartoon selves, as well as the [[Targetmaster (technology)\|Targetmaster]]s soon joining the fray.

	[[File:Sprocketoverruncommercial.jpg\|pright=0.9\|thumb\|left\|Sprocket! Over-Run! You two have always been among my most loyal soldiers!]]		[[File:Sprocketoverruncommercial.jpg\|pright=0.9\|thumb\|left\|Sprocket! Over-Run! You two have always been among my most loyal soldiers!]]

Nevermore: /* When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? */

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When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity?

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	== When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? ==		== When is a micro-continuity not a micro-continuity? ==
	There are some continuities which have attempted to explain retroactively the presence (or rather absence) of the non-show characters in both ''Beast Wars'' and ''Beast Machines''. [[3H Productions\|3H]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Wreckers\|Wreckers]]'' comics and associated projects attempted to fill out much of the ''Beast Machines'' gaps in a workable fashion, while [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] has tackled virtually every toy-only ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)\|Beast Wars]]'' character in ''[[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering\|The Gathering]]''. However, these two approaches contradict each other, and neither have ~~(as yet)~~ provided expansive storylines. Whether one deems these stories to be part of the larger show-based canon (despite contradictions) as [[splinter timeline]]s, individual "complementary" continuities, or indeed just larger-than-usual micro-continuities themselves is, like most things, up to the individual fan's taste and [[personal canon]].		There are some continuities which have attempted to explain retroactively the presence (or rather absence) of the non-show characters in both ''Beast Wars'' and ''Beast Machines''. [[3H Productions\|3H]]'s ''[[Transformers: The Wreckers\|Wreckers]]'' comics and associated projects attempted to fill out much of the ''Beast Machines'' gaps in a workable fashion, while [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] has tackled virtually every toy-only ''[[Beast Wars: Transformers (toyline)\|Beast Wars]]'' character in ''[[Transformers, Beast Wars: The Gathering\|The Gathering]]''. However, these two approaches contradict each other, and neither have provided expansive storylines. Whether one deems these stories to be part of the larger show-based canon (despite contradictions) as [[splinter timeline]]s, individual "complementary" continuities, or indeed just larger-than-usual micro-continuities themselves is, like most things, up to the individual fan's taste and [[personal canon]].

	By the same token, the comic book fictions for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|Generation 2]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Classics\|Classics]]'' present timelines that diverge from the U.S./U.K. [[List of Generation 1 comics\|Marvel comic]], each representing full toylines. This may be compared with ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers\|Machine Wars]]'' which is apparently a continuation of G1 but may or may not exist (later) in the same timeline as G2. Whether such examples of divergent offshoots of larger continuities should be classed as micro-continuities (in spite of toylines and many issues of fiction) or be included with their "parent" continuities as branched extensions is, again, a matter of taste and [[personal canon]].		By the same token, the comic book fictions for ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (Marvel)\|Generation 2]]'' and ''[[Transformers: Classics\|Classics]]'' present timelines that diverge from the U.S./U.K. [[List of Generation 1 comics\|Marvel comic]], each representing full toylines. This may be compared with ''[[Machine Wars: Transformers\|Machine Wars]]'' which is apparently a continuation of G1 but may or may not exist (later) in the same timeline as G2. Whether such examples of divergent offshoots of larger continuities should be classed as micro-continuities (in spite of toylines and many issues of fiction) or be included with their "parent" continuities as branched extensions is, again, a matter of taste and [[personal canon]].

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	The extended bios printed on the back of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] comic book reprints [[pack-in material\|included]] with the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)\|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxes (when purchased in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and Asia) present a strange hybrid continuity that merges elements of the classic [[Sunbow Productions\|Sunbow]] [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and the [[2005 IDW continuity]]:		The extended bios printed on the back of the [[IDW Publishing\|IDW]] comic book reprints [[pack-in material\|included]] with the ''[[Combiner Wars (toyline)\|Combiner Wars]]'' Deluxes (when purchased in the United States, Australia, New Zealand and Asia) present a strange hybrid continuity that merges elements of the classic [[Sunbow Productions\|Sunbow]] [[Generation 1 cartoon continuity]] and the [[2005 IDW continuity]]:

	The [[Aerialbot (G1)\|Aerialbot]]s and [[Protectobot (G1)\|Protectobot]]s are explicitly stated to have existed back on [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. For the Aerialbots, this is clearly at odds with their origin in the cartoon's [[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]. The Protectobots, meanwhile, are never given an explicit origin in the cartoon, they just suddenly "exist".		The [[Aerialbot (G1)\|Aerialbot]]s and [[Protectobot (G1)\|Protectobot]]s are explicitly stated to have existed back on [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]]. For the Aerialbots, this is clearly at odds with their origin in the cartoon's "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 2]]." The Protectobots, meanwhile, are never given an explicit origin in the cartoon, they just suddenly "exist."

	The [[Stunticon (G1)\|Stunticon]]s, on the other hand, were supposedly created by Megatron "as part of an Earth-based infiltration unit" and "as the Decepticon response to Autobot dominance of the streets and highways of Earth", which mirrors their cartoon origin in [[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1]], but at the same time, the ambiguous phrasing also implies that they already existed before, and Megatron merely created their alternate modes.		The [[Stunticon (G1)\|Stunticon]]s, on the other hand, were supposedly created by Megatron "as part of an Earth-based infiltration unit" and "as the Decepticon response to Autobot dominance of the streets and highways of Earth," which mirrors their cartoon origin in "[[The Key to Vector Sigma, Part 1]]," but at the same time, the ambiguous phrasing also implies that they already existed before, and Megatron merely created their alternate modes.

	New additions [[Alpha Bravo]] and [[Offroad (CW)\|Offroad]] are explicitly said to replace "fallen" team members, but [[Slingshot (G1)\|Quickslinger]] and [[Wildrider (G1)\|Brake-Neck]]'s bios (obviously) don't make mention of this. In the IDW continuity, Slingshot ''did'' die, while Wildrider simply walked away off-panel, never to be seen again.		New additions [[Alpha Bravo]] and [[Offroad (CW)\|Offroad]] are explicitly said to replace "fallen" team members, but [[Slingshot (G1)\|Quickslinger]] and [[Wildrider (G1)\|Brake-Neck]]'s bios (obviously) don't make mention of this. In the IDW continuity, Slingshot ''did'' die, while Wildrider simply walked away off-panel, never to be seen again.
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	[[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]]'s bio singles him out as having been imprisoned on Cybertron away from his fellow Combaticons (a clear IDW reference), but at the same time implies that the [[Combaticon (G1)\|Combaticon]]s already possessed the ability to combine into [[Bruticus (G1)\|Bruticus]] by that point (which is at odds with the IDW continuity). [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]]'s bio also explicitly mentions events mirroring those of IDW's ''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]''.		[[Blast Off (G1)\|Blast Off]]'s bio singles him out as having been imprisoned on Cybertron away from his fellow Combaticons (a clear IDW reference), but at the same time implies that the [[Combaticon (G1)\|Combaticon]]s already possessed the ability to combine into [[Bruticus (G1)\|Bruticus]] by that point (which is at odds with the IDW continuity). [[Swindle (G1)\|Swindle]]'s bio also explicitly mentions events mirroring those of IDW's ''[[Spotlight: Ultra Magnus]]''.

	The 1984 Autobots are where it gets really confusing: While the "Ark" (or "Autobot Ark") mentioned in several bios could be interpreted to refer to either the [[Ark (G1)\|ship of the same name]] from the cartoon, or the [[Ark-19]] from the early IDW stories, and [[Wheeljack (G1)\|Wheeljack]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)\|Sunstreaker]] were members of both ships' crews, both [[Hound (G1)\|Hound]] and [[Mirage (G1)\|Mirage]] are said to have been part of the initial Autobot crew that arrived on Earth, which is true of their cartoon selves but not their IDW versions. In addition, the Ark is alternately stated to have "landed" (Sunstreaker), "crash-landed" (Hound) or "crashed" (Wheeljack), with the ship from the IDW continuity (presumably) having made a safe landing while the ship from the cartoon crashed. Hound is also said to have scouted the new world under orders from [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], like he did in the cartoon, while Sunstreaker, Prowl and Wheeljack's bios are chock-full of IDW references (such as the [[Lost Light]], the [[Iaconian Mechaforensic Division\|Iaconian Police Force's Mechaforensic Division]], the [[Technoversity of Ultirex\|Ultirex Technoversity]], the "moral grayness" on Earth, "rebuilding" the Aerialbots or even some ~~of the~~ events from [[All Hail Megatron issue 8]] and ''[[The Waiting Game\|Spotlight: Hoist]]'').		The 1984 Autobots are where it gets really confusing: While the "''Ark''" (or "Autobot ''Ark''") mentioned in several bios could be interpreted to refer to either the [[Ark (G1)\|ship of the same name]] from the cartoon, or the ''[[Ark-19]]'' from the early IDW stories, and [[Wheeljack (G1)\|Wheeljack]] and [[Sunstreaker (G1)\|Sunstreaker]] were members of both ships' crews, both [[Hound (G1)\|Hound]] and [[Mirage (G1)\|Mirage]] are said to have been part of the initial Autobot crew that arrived on Earth, which is true of their cartoon selves but not their IDW versions. In addition, the ''Ark'' is alternately stated to have "landed" (Sunstreaker), "crash-landed" (Hound) or "crashed" (Wheeljack), with the ship from the IDW continuity (presumably) having made a safe landing while the ship from the cartoon crashed. Hound is also said to have scouted the new world under orders from [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]], like he did in the cartoon, while Sunstreaker, Prowl and Wheeljack's bios are chock-full of IDW references (such as the ''[[Lost Light]]'', the [[Iaconian Mechaforensic Division\|Iaconian Police Force's Mechaforensic Division]], the [[Technoversity of Ultirex\|Ultirex Technoversity]], the "moral grayness" on Earth, "rebuilding" the Aerialbots, and even some events from [[All Hail Megatron issue 8\|''All Hail Megatron'' issue 8]] and ''[[The Waiting Game\|Spotlight: Hoist]]'').

	On top of that, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, Fireflight/Firefly and even Trailbreaker/Trailcutter's name changes are explicitly addressed in-continuity.		On top of that, Wildrider/Brake-Neck, Fireflight/Firefly and even Trailbreaker/Trailcutter's name changes are explicitly addressed in-continuity.

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	The commercial for the [[Iron-on patch\|reflective patches]] has [[Spike Witwicky (G1)\|Spike Witwicky]] lead two human friends of his who never appeared outside this commercial to a really weird-looking Autobot base hidden inside a mountain cliff.		The commercial for the [[Iron-on patch\|reflective patches]] has [[Spike Witwicky (G1)\|Spike Witwicky]] lead two human friends of his who never appeared outside this commercial to a really weird-looking Autobot base hidden inside a mountain cliff.

	A commercial for the 1987 [[Headmaster (technology)\|Headmaster]] toys took an early concept for the Decepticons' [[Nebulan]] partners as "trainers" for their beastly companions quite literally, as they are shown putting [[Skullcruncher (G1)\|~~Skullcrucher~~]], [[Weirdwolf (G1)\|Weirdwolf]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)\|Mindwipe]] through their paces, using whips to have them jump through hoops and smash through rock statues of the Autobot Headmasters. Even a commercial that specifically advertises the [[Marvel Comics\|Marvel]] [[The Transformers: Headmasters\|''Headmasters'' comic book limited series]] features a lengthy animated segment that depicts events (with accompanying narration by Victor Caroli) that matches neither the cartoon nor the comic book it promotes: Here, the story of the Headmasters starts off "in the midst of the Cybertronian war", with Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge and a [[Sweep (G1)\|Sweep]] attacking Cybertron, while [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Blurr (G1)\|Blurr]] fend off either [[Laserbeak (G1)\|Laserbeak]] or [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Springer (G1)\|Springer]] tackles [[Soundwave (G1)\|Soundwave]], [[Grimlock (G1)\|Grimlock]] fights [[Razorclaw (G1)\|Razorclaw]], Ultra Magnus is attacked by [[Rumble (G1)\|Rumble]], [[Frenzy (G1)\|Frenzy]] and a miscolored [[Ravage (G1)\|Ravage]], and [[Rampage (G1)\|Rampage]] and [[Gnaw (G1)\|Gnaw]] face opponents who are offscreen. While all this is going on, so the narration explains, "special mission teams of Autobots and Decepticons blast[...] their way to planet [[Nebulos\|Nebulon]]". These "special teams" include [[Chromedome (G1)\|Chromedome]], [[Highbrow (G1)\|Highbrow]], [[Brainstorm (G1)\|Brainstorm]], [[Hardhead (G1)\|Hardhead]], Skullcruncher, Weirdwolf and Mindwipe, who all arrive on board the same space ship which they depart peacefully, side by side, and sport different heads than their toy-based standard animation models. After taking off these original heads, the Nebulans transform into the familiar heads for the Cybertronians. But since the Headmasters are "still Autobots and Decepticons", they continue to fight, with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)\|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)\|Scorponok]], both of them about the same size as their cartoon selves, as well as the [[Targetmaster (technology)\|Targetmaster]]s soon joining the fray.		A commercial for the 1987 [[Headmaster (technology)\|Headmaster]] toys took an early concept for the Decepticons' [[Nebulan]] partners as "trainers" for their beastly companions quite literally, as they are shown putting [[Skullcruncher (G1)\|Skullcruncher]], [[Weirdwolf (G1)\|Weirdwolf]] and [[Mindwipe (G1)\|Mindwipe]] through their paces, using whips to have them jump through hoops and smash through rock statues of the Autobot Headmasters. Even a commercial that specifically advertises the [[Marvel Comics\|Marvel]] [[The Transformers: Headmasters\|''Headmasters'' comic book limited series]] features a lengthy animated segment that depicts events (with accompanying narration by Victor Caroli) that matches neither the cartoon nor the comic book it promotes: Here, the story of the Headmasters starts off "in the midst of the Cybertronian war", with Galvatron, Cyclonus, Scourge and a [[Sweep (G1)\|Sweep]] attacking Cybertron, while [[Hot Rod (G1)\|Rodimus Prime]] and [[Blurr (G1)\|Blurr]] fend off either [[Laserbeak (G1)\|Laserbeak]] or [[Buzzsaw (G1)\|Buzzsaw]], [[Springer (G1)\|Springer]] tackles [[Soundwave (G1)\|Soundwave]], [[Grimlock (G1)\|Grimlock]] fights [[Razorclaw (G1)\|Razorclaw]], Ultra Magnus is attacked by [[Rumble (G1)\|Rumble]], [[Frenzy (G1)\|Frenzy]] and a miscolored [[Ravage (G1)\|Ravage]], and [[Rampage (G1)\|Rampage]] and [[Gnaw (G1)\|Gnaw]] face opponents who are offscreen. While all this is going on, so the narration explains, "special mission teams of Autobots and Decepticons blast[...] their way to planet [[Nebulos\|Nebulon]]". These "special teams" include [[Chromedome (G1)\|Chromedome]], [[Highbrow (G1)\|Highbrow]], [[Brainstorm (G1)\|Brainstorm]], [[Hardhead (G1)\|Hardhead]], Skullcruncher, Weirdwolf and Mindwipe, who all arrive on board the same space ship which they depart peacefully, side by side, and sport different heads than their toy-based standard animation models. After taking off these original heads, the Nebulans transform into the familiar heads for the Cybertronians. But since the Headmasters are "still Autobots and Decepticons", they continue to fight, with [[Fortress Maximus (G1)\|Fortress Maximus]] and [[Scorponok (G1)\|Scorponok]], both of them about the same size as their cartoon selves, as well as the [[Targetmaster (technology)\|Targetmaster]]s soon joining the fray.

	[[File:Sprocketoverruncommercial.jpg\|pright=0.9\|thumb\|left\|Sprocket! Over-Run! You two have always been among my most loyal soldiers!]]		[[File:Sprocketoverruncommercial.jpg\|pright=0.9\|thumb\|left\|Sprocket! Over-Run! You two have always been among my most loyal soldiers!]]