Multiversal singularity - Revision history

AzimuthAcolyte: Star Saber (Prima) -> Star Saber (Thirteen) update

2025-09-26T23:20:15Z

Star Saber (Prima) -> Star Saber (Thirteen) update

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	The [[multiverse]] comprises countless parallel universes, diverging timelines, and alternate dimensions. For most individuals, existence is perceived within just one of these. A single being may have [[Prowl (disambiguation)\|endless doppelgangers spread across those universes]], but each incarnation lives a separate life. And if one were ever to [[:Category:Dimension hoppers\|cross dimensions]] and meet an alternate self, they would [[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle\|perceive each other as distinct persons]]. At one point, there were a few rare beings whose existence were not so divided by the boundaries between universes. Known as '''multiversal singularities''', these entities had a single identity and perception that spanned the multiverse, with the ability to move between dimensions more or less at will.		The [[multiverse]] comprises countless parallel universes, diverging timelines, and alternate dimensions. For most individuals, existence is perceived within just one of these. A single being may have [[Prowl (disambiguation)\|endless doppelgangers spread across those universes]], but each incarnation lives a separate life. And if one were ever to [[:Category:Dimension hoppers\|cross dimensions]] and meet an alternate self, they would [[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle\|perceive each other as distinct persons]]. At one point, there were a few rare beings whose existence were not so divided by the boundaries between universes. Known as '''multiversal singularities''', these entities had a single identity and perception that spanned the multiverse, with the ability to move between dimensions more or less at will.

	Multiversal singularities [[Shroud\|ceased to exist]] thanks to the efforts of [[Nexus Prime]], who used the powers of the [[Star Saber (~~Prima~~)\|Star Saber]] and [[Terminus Blade]] in concert to solidify the walls between realities, limiting dimensional travel and splintering all known singularities into infinite alternate variations of themselves, nullifying the concept.		Multiversal singularities [[Shroud\|ceased to exist]] thanks to the efforts of [[Nexus Prime]], who used the powers of the [[Star Saber (Thirteen)\|Star Saber]] and [[Terminus Blade]] in concert to solidify the walls between realities, limiting dimensional travel and splintering all known singularities into infinite alternate variations of themselves, nullifying the concept.

	Before the reorganization of the multiverse, these known or implied (former) multiversal singularities included:		Before the reorganization of the multiverse, these known or implied (former) multiversal singularities included:

AzimuthAcolyte: /* Notes */ Closing the loop now that we have a thing to point to here

2025-08-09T19:05:25Z

Notes: Closing the loop now that we have a thing to point to here

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	*Because this concept is so abstrusely defined, it is unclear whether it can be applied to pan-dimensional characters unrelated to Furman and Lee's storylines. For example, the [[Alternity (species)\|Alternity]] are conglomerations of alternate versions of particular characters, collective beings existing in higher-dimensional space. At a glance, this seems to reflect the Primus model, but the Alternity is presented as an ''outcome'' of eons of evolution, whereas the confirmed singularities appear to have had their multiverse-spanning nature from the beginning. Whether or not such details matter to the definition is up for debate. But we advise not to spend too much time on such debate since singularities are no longer a thing.		*Because this concept is so abstrusely defined, it is unclear whether it can be applied to pan-dimensional characters unrelated to Furman and Lee's storylines. For example, the [[Alternity (species)\|Alternity]] are conglomerations of alternate versions of particular characters, collective beings existing in higher-dimensional space. At a glance, this seems to reflect the Primus model, but the Alternity is presented as an ''outcome'' of eons of evolution, whereas the confirmed singularities appear to have had their multiverse-spanning nature from the beginning. Whether or not such details matter to the definition is up for debate. But we advise not to spend too much time on such debate since singularities are no longer a thing.

			==See also==
			*The ongoing [[:Category:Deep lore characters\|top-down brand management strategy]] that this fictional concept lampshaded.

	==References==		==References==

AzimuthAcolyte: Alpha Trion (disambiguation) -> Alpha Trion update

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Alpha Trion (disambiguation) -> Alpha Trion update

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	It is possible for a singularity to die, but because of the way in which they live their lives, as long as they were not killed in some extraordinary fashion, they will almost certainly always remain alive somewhere else in the multiverse either before or after this event, and will even be aware of the death of an extension of themselves.		It is possible for a singularity to die, but because of the way in which they live their lives, as long as they were not killed in some extraordinary fashion, they will almost certainly always remain alive somewhere else in the multiverse either before or after this event, and will even be aware of the death of an extension of themselves.

	It is entirely possible for discrete incarnations to come into being independent of the singularity, resulting in very similar beings who are not part of the quantum event. Such was the case with the [[Thirteen]] of the [[Uniend]] Cluster, but when the quantum membrane separating their reality from the rest of the multiverse was punctured, those incarnations began to combine with their non-Uniend counterparts, including [[Alpha Trion ~~(disambiguation)~~\|previously non-singularity iterations]]. Before said merge was complete, however, Nexus Prime's actions caused singularities to cease to be.		It is entirely possible for discrete incarnations to come into being independent of the singularity, resulting in very similar beings who are not part of the quantum event. Such was the case with the [[Thirteen]] of the [[Uniend]] Cluster, but when the quantum membrane separating their reality from the rest of the multiverse was punctured, those incarnations began to combine with their non-Uniend counterparts, including [[Alpha Trion\|previously non-singularity iterations]]. Before said merge was complete, however, Nexus Prime's actions caused singularities to cease to be.

	==Fiction==		==Fiction==

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Formatting

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	Smart and savvy dimensional travelers spend time in reverse timescale dimensions, slow-time dimensions, or dimensions in which time does not move at all. This ensures that even if they are "killed," they continue to exist. As you can see, the idea of sequential experience as you and I understand it is pretty meaningless to guys like the Fallen. He does experience all these things, but his mind operates on a higher order so all of this stuff totally makes sense to him.\|}}		Smart and savvy dimensional travelers spend time in reverse timescale dimensions, slow-time dimensions, or dimensions in which time does not move at all. This ensures that even if they are "killed," they continue to exist. As you can see, the idea of sequential experience as you and I understand it is pretty meaningless to guys like the Fallen. He does experience all these things, but his mind operates on a higher order so all of this stuff totally makes sense to him.\|}}

	(We're persnickety enough to note that this explanation can certainly be interpreted as contradicting Lee's earlier statement regarding a ''Shattered Glass'' Fallen; if a singularity is defined by the rules of a universe, then a negative-polarity universe would logically have an effect on The Fallen, creating a ''Shattered Glass'' version of the character who was still part of the singularity. When questioned on the subject, Vector Prime was certainly loathe to talk about negative-polarity universes, as he feared this was a very likely effect. Indeed, the 2016 prose story ''[[Coalescence]]'' went on to feature a version of the Fallen traveling to the Shattered Glass universe and promptly being encased in ice.)		(We're persnickety enough to note that this explanation can certainly be interpreted as contradicting Lee's earlier statement regarding a ''Shattered Glass'' Fallen; if a singularity is defined by the rules of a universe, then a negative-polarity universe would logically have an effect on The Fallen, creating a ''Shattered Glass'' version of the character who was still part of the singularity. When questioned on the subject, Vector Prime was certainly loathe to talk about negative-polarity universes, as he feared this was a very likely effect. Indeed, the 2016 prose story ''[[Coalescence]]'' went on to feature a version of the Fallen traveling to the
			''Shattered Glass'' universe and promptly being encased in ice.)

	==Notes==		==Notes==

Cylasbreakdown: /* Creator commentary */

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	Smart and savvy dimensional travelers spend time in reverse timescale dimensions, slow-time dimensions, or dimensions in which time does not move at all. This ensures that even if they are "killed," they continue to exist. As you can see, the idea of sequential experience as you and I understand it is pretty meaningless to guys like the Fallen. He does experience all these things, but his mind operates on a higher order so all of this stuff totally makes sense to him.\|}}		Smart and savvy dimensional travelers spend time in reverse timescale dimensions, slow-time dimensions, or dimensions in which time does not move at all. This ensures that even if they are "killed," they continue to exist. As you can see, the idea of sequential experience as you and I understand it is pretty meaningless to guys like the Fallen. He does experience all these things, but his mind operates on a higher order so all of this stuff totally makes sense to him.\|}}

	(We're persnickety enough to note that this explanation can certainly be interpreted as contradicting Lee's earlier statement regarding a ''Shattered Glass'' Fallen; if a singularity is defined by the rules of a universe, then a negative-polarity universe would logically have an effect on The Fallen, creating a ''Shattered Glass'' version of the character who was still part of the singularity. When questioned on the subject, Vector Prime was certainly loathe to talk about negative-polarity universes, as he feared this was a very likely effect.)		(We're persnickety enough to note that this explanation can certainly be interpreted as contradicting Lee's earlier statement regarding a ''Shattered Glass'' Fallen; if a singularity is defined by the rules of a universe, then a negative-polarity universe would logically have an effect on The Fallen, creating a ''Shattered Glass'' version of the character who was still part of the singularity. When questioned on the subject, Vector Prime was certainly loathe to talk about negative-polarity universes, as he feared this was a very likely effect. Indeed, the 2016 prose story ''[[Coalescence]]'' went on to feature a version of the Fallen traveling to the Shattered Glass universe and promptly being encased in ice.)

	==Notes==		==Notes==

AzimuthAcolyte: /* Fiction */ Incredibly this comes up in Unicron's guest spot in the Cloud finale

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Fiction: Incredibly this comes up in Unicron's guest spot in the Cloud finale

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	===Fun Publications ''Shattered Glass'' continuity===		===Fun Publications ''Shattered Glass'' continuity===
	Eons ago, Nexus Prime, a member of the Thirteen, cut himself into five components and scattered them throughout the multiverse. Each of these components became an individual robot who, as millennia passed, forgot his original identity and lost his pan-dimensional perception. Most of them settled into ordinary lives, but eventually a series of cross-dimensional events brought them back together. {{storylink\|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30\|Nexus Prime bio}} They reunited in [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon\|this universe]], and in the process of doing so, no suggestion was ever made that they might have additional incarnations – this despite the profusion of splinter timelines and so on in the eons since they had been separated. When they physically re-merged, they regained their ability to move between universes at will, as well as some of their cosmic perception and memory, and they still behaved as though they were unique in the multiverse. {{storylink\|Reunification: Part 6}}		Eons ago, Nexus Prime, a member of the Thirteen, cut himself into five components and scattered them throughout the multiverse. Each of these components became an individual robot who, as millennia passed, forgot his original identity and lost his pan-dimensional perception. Most of them settled into ordinary lives, but eventually a series of cross-dimensional events brought them back together. {{storylink\|Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club issue 30\|Nexus Prime bio}} They reunited in [[Primax -408.24 Epsilon\|this universe]], and in the process of doing so, no suggestion was ever made that they might have additional incarnations – this despite the profusion of splinter timelines and so on in the eons since they had been separated. When they physically re-merged, they regained their ability to move between universes at will, as well as some of their cosmic perception and memory, and they still behaved as though they were unique in the multiverse. {{storylink\|Reunification: Part 6}}

			===''Transformers Cloud''===
			{{stub\|{{storylink\|Fury (Cloud)\|Fury}}}}

	==Creator commentary==		==Creator commentary==

Saix: /* Conceptual history */clean up, replaced: "Ask Vector Prime" → Ask Vector Prime

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Conceptual history: clean up, replaced: "Ask Vector Prime" → Ask Vector Prime

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	It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.		It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.

	However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.		However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to [[Ask Vector Prime]] to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.

	Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.		Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.

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	The [[multiverse]] comprises countless parallel universes, diverging timelines, and alternate dimensions. For most individuals, existence is perceived within just one of these. A single being may have [[Prowl (disambiguation)\|endless doppelgangers spread across those universes]], but each incarnation lives a separate life. And if one were ever to [[:Category:Dimension hoppers\|cross dimensions]] and meet an alternate self, they would [[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle\|perceive each other as distinct persons]]. At one point, there were a rare ~~few~~ beings whose existence were not so divided by the boundaries between universes. Known as '''multiversal singularities''', these entities had a single identity and perception that spanned the multiverse, with the ability to move between dimensions more or less at will.		The [[multiverse]] comprises countless parallel universes, diverging timelines, and alternate dimensions. For most individuals, existence is perceived within just one of these. A single being may have [[Prowl (disambiguation)\|endless doppelgangers spread across those universes]], but each incarnation lives a separate life. And if one were ever to [[:Category:Dimension hoppers\|cross dimensions]] and meet an alternate self, they would [[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle\|perceive each other as distinct persons]]. At one point, there were a few rare beings whose existence were not so divided by the boundaries between universes. Known as '''multiversal singularities''', these entities had a single identity and perception that spanned the multiverse, with the ability to move between dimensions more or less at will.

	Multiversal singularities [[Shroud\|ceased to exist]] thanks to the efforts of [[Nexus Prime]], who used the powers of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]] and [[Terminus Blade]] in concert to solidify the walls between realities, limiting dimensional travel and splintering all known singularities into infinite alternate variations of themselves, nullifying the concept.		Multiversal singularities [[Shroud\|ceased to exist]] thanks to the efforts of [[Nexus Prime]], who used the powers of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]] and [[Terminus Blade]] in concert to solidify the walls between realities, limiting dimensional travel and splintering all known singularities into infinite alternate variations of themselves, nullifying the concept.
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	The concept of a singular being existing across multiple discrete universes originated with [[Unicron]]. Though historically, multiple different conflicting origins and fates had been detailed for the character in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|original Generation 1 cartoon]] and [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)\|Marvel comic]], in the early 2000s, multiple works by [[Simon Furman]] introduced the idea that, in fact, there was only one Unicron, who travelled from universe to universe. Such powers were first suggested by the [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)\|first ''Universe'' franchise]], which was built on the premise of Unicron kidnapping Transformers from various universes, and Furman's [[Transformers: Universe (comic)\|comic]] established that he did this from a location ''between'' dimensions, the first time Unicron was shown to personally transcend dimensional barriers. Soon after, the Furman-penned "[[Worlds Collide]]" storyline in the [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)\|Armada]]'' comic book and ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' were published and made further mention of Unicron's dimension-crossing power, though they did not explicitly declare a single Unicron.		The concept of a singular being existing across multiple discrete universes originated with [[Unicron]]. Though historically, multiple different conflicting origins and fates had been detailed for the character in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|original Generation 1 cartoon]] and [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)\|Marvel comic]], in the early 2000s, multiple works by [[Simon Furman]] introduced the idea that, in fact, there was only one Unicron, who travelled from universe to universe. Such powers were first suggested by the [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)\|first ''Universe'' franchise]], which was built on the premise of Unicron kidnapping Transformers from various universes, and Furman's [[Transformers: Universe (comic)\|comic]] established that he did this from a location ''between'' dimensions, the first time Unicron was shown to personally transcend dimensional barriers. Soon after, the Furman-penned "[[Worlds Collide]]" storyline in the [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)\|Armada]]'' comic book and ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' were published and made further mention of Unicron's dimension-crossing power, though they did not explicitly declare a single Unicron.

	It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.		It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.

	However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.		However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.

	Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.		Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	*Because this concept is so abstrusely defined, it is unclear whether it can be applied to pan-dimensional characters unrelated to Furman and Lee's storylines. For example, the [[Alternity (species)\|Alternity]] are conglomerations of alternate versions of particular characters, collective beings existing in higher-dimensional space. At a glance, this seems to reflect the Primus model, but the Alternity is presented as an ''outcome'' of eons of evolution, whereas the confirmed singularities appear to have had their multiverse-spanning nature from the beginning. Whether or not such details matter to the definition is up for debate. But we advise not to spend too much time on such debate since singularities are no longer a thing.		*Because this concept is so abstrusely defined, it is unclear whether it can be applied to pan-dimensional characters unrelated to Furman and Lee's storylines. For example, the [[Alternity (species)\|Alternity]] are conglomerations of alternate versions of particular characters, collective beings existing in higher-dimensional space. At a glance, this seems to reflect the Primus model, but the Alternity is presented as an ''outcome'' of eons of evolution, whereas the confirmed singularities appear to have had their multiverse-spanning nature from the beginning. Whether or not such details matter to the definition is up for debate. But we advise not to spend too much time on such debate since singularities are no longer a thing.
	*Although most versions of [[Sideways (disambiguation)\|Sideways]] connect him to a previous version of the character or establish him as a reality-hopping individual, the "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" section of ''[[Transformers Animated: The Complete AllSpark Almanac\|The Complete AllSpark Almanac]]'' made it clear that Sideways is not a multiversal singularity.

	==References==		==References==

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	===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic===		===Dreamwave ''Armada'' comic===
	The [[Transformer]]s on [[Earth]] learned of Unicron while he was still consuming [[Primax 703.09 Gamma\|another reality]]. [[Over-Run (Armada)\|Over-Run]], a fugitive from another universe, explained that Unicron had devoured many realities, and he would be coming for [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma\|this one]] soon. {{storylink\|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} This indeed came to pass, but with the power of the [[Mini-Con Matrix]], Unicron exploded, seemingly killed. {{storylink\|The End}}		The [[Transformer]]s on [[Earth]] learned of Unicron while he was still consuming [[Primax 703.09 Gamma\|another reality]]. [[Over-Run (Armada)\|Over-Run]], a fugitive from another universe, explained that Unicron had devoured many realities, and he would be coming for [[Aurex 402.24 Gamma\|this one]] soon. {{storylink\|Worlds Collide, Part 3 of 4}} This indeed came to pass, but with the power of the [[Mini-Con Matrix]], Unicron exploded, seemingly killed. {{storylink\|The End (Armada)\|The End}}

	===''Transformers Legends''===		===''Transformers Legends''===

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	It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.		It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.

	However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.		However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to [[Ask Vector Prime]] to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.

	Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.		Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.

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	[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|But is he the number I cannot compute?]]		[[Image:Vectorprimeut.jpg\|thumb\|right\|300px\|But is he the number I cannot compute?]]

	The [[multiverse]] comprises countless parallel universes, diverging timelines, and alternate dimensions. For most individuals, existence is perceived within just one of these. A single being may have [[Prowl (disambiguation)\|endless doppelgangers spread across those universes]], but each incarnation lives a separate life. And if one were ever to [[:Category:Dimension hoppers\|cross dimensions]] and meet an alternate self, they would [[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle\|perceive each other as distinct persons]]. At one point, there were a rare ~~few~~ beings whose existence were not so divided by the boundaries between universes. Known as '''multiversal singularities''', these entities had a single identity and perception that spanned the multiverse, with the ability to move between dimensions more or less at will.		The [[multiverse]] comprises countless parallel universes, diverging timelines, and alternate dimensions. For most individuals, existence is perceived within just one of these. A single being may have [[Prowl (disambiguation)\|endless doppelgangers spread across those universes]], but each incarnation lives a separate life. And if one were ever to [[:Category:Dimension hoppers\|cross dimensions]] and meet an alternate self, they would [[Swindle, Swindle and Swindle\|perceive each other as distinct persons]]. At one point, there were a few rare beings whose existence were not so divided by the boundaries between universes. Known as '''multiversal singularities''', these entities had a single identity and perception that spanned the multiverse, with the ability to move between dimensions more or less at will.

	Multiversal singularities [[Shroud\|ceased to exist]] thanks to the efforts of [[Nexus Prime]], who used the powers of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]] and [[Terminus Blade]] in concert to solidify the walls between realities, limiting dimensional travel and splintering all known singularities into infinite alternate variations of themselves, nullifying the concept.		Multiversal singularities [[Shroud\|ceased to exist]] thanks to the efforts of [[Nexus Prime]], who used the powers of the [[Star Saber (Prima)\|Star Saber]] and [[Terminus Blade]] in concert to solidify the walls between realities, limiting dimensional travel and splintering all known singularities into infinite alternate variations of themselves, nullifying the concept.
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	The concept of a singular being existing across multiple discrete universes originated with [[Unicron]]. Though historically, multiple different conflicting origins and fates had been detailed for the character in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|original Generation 1 cartoon]] and [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)\|Marvel comic]], in the early 2000s, multiple works by [[Simon Furman]] introduced the idea that, in fact, there was only one Unicron, who travelled from universe to universe. Such powers were first suggested by the [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)\|first ''Universe'' franchise]], which was built on the premise of Unicron kidnapping Transformers from various universes, and Furman's [[Transformers: Universe (comic)\|comic]] established that he did this from a location ''between'' dimensions, the first time Unicron was shown to personally transcend dimensional barriers. Soon after, the Furman-penned "[[Worlds Collide]]" storyline in the [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)\|Armada]]'' comic book and ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' were published and made further mention of Unicron's dimension-crossing power, though they did not explicitly declare a single Unicron.		The concept of a singular being existing across multiple discrete universes originated with [[Unicron]]. Though historically, multiple different conflicting origins and fates had been detailed for the character in the [[The Transformers (cartoon)\|original Generation 1 cartoon]] and [[The Transformers (Marvel comic)\|Marvel comic]], in the early 2000s, multiple works by [[Simon Furman]] introduced the idea that, in fact, there was only one Unicron, who travelled from universe to universe. Such powers were first suggested by the [[Transformers: Universe (2003 franchise)\|first ''Universe'' franchise]], which was built on the premise of Unicron kidnapping Transformers from various universes, and Furman's [[Transformers: Universe (comic)\|comic]] established that he did this from a location ''between'' dimensions, the first time Unicron was shown to personally transcend dimensional barriers. Soon after, the Furman-penned "[[Worlds Collide]]" storyline in the [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] ''[[Transformers: Armada (Dreamwave)\|Armada]]'' comic book and ''[[Transformers: The Ultimate Guide]]'' were published and made further mention of Unicron's dimension-crossing power, though they did not explicitly declare a single Unicron.

	It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.		It was ultimately Hasbro copywriter [[Forest Lee]] who picked up that thread and used it to create the "multiversal singularity" idea, playing it out in the [[Fun Publications]] ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Cybertron]]'' comic. He established two different expressions of singularity: Unicron's, where there was only one incarnation hopping from universe to universe; and Primus's, where every universe had its own incarnation, but they were all connected. Lee also gave other characters similar pan-dimensional status, such as Vector Prime, who seemed to embody the Unicron model, and Vector Sigma, which was more like Primus. (This basically jibed with the [[Transformers: Cybertron (cartoon)\|''Cybertron'' cartoon]], which presented Vector Prime as able to exist after his death because he had previously spent a large amount of his life outside of the flow of time, which meant that he would therefore always exist in that timeless realm.) Following this story, the Fun Publications comic went on to introduce Nexus Prime, whom it presented in a manner consistent with singularity-hood: an ancient being whose component robots went on a cross-dimensional romp with nary a hint of encountering duplicate versions of themselves. As both Vector Prime and Nexus Prime are members of the Thirteen, their singular nature was implicitly extended to the rest of that group; Lee would later confirm the Fallen was also a singularity, and future Fun Publications stories clearly established that this was the case.

	However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.		However, the concept never gained a foothold outside of very specific, fan-targeted media like the club comic, and any appearance by singularity characters in other media would invariably result in them not acting like singularities. The Fallen's appearance in the [[Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen (film)\|live-action movie that bore his name]], for instance, bore only a superficial resemblance to the character's [[Transformers: War Within: The Dark Ages\|previous appearance]]. [[Devil's Due Press\|Devil's Due]] created a third origin for Unicron in their [[Black Horizon, Part 1 of 2\|''G.I. Joe vs. the Transformers'' comic]], presenting him as an alien banished from his world. When the [[Aligned continuity family]] was introduced, and finally revealed the entire roster of the Thirteen, it was only with the caveat that this version of the story was unconnected to any past story.<ref>"Anything you know from past generations of the brand may or may not be factual in the new continuity. Going forward in the modern continuity there is 1 Fallen." [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=74182&view=findpost&p=1675011 Allspark.com Q&A]</ref> This lack of top-down control of the concept required multiple out-of-story explanations for these events; Forest Lee delivered a particularly impressive explanation for The Fallen (see below), while in 2015, it fell to "[[Ask Vector Prime]]" to try and reconcile the others with talk of non-singularity expressions separated by quantum membranes.

	Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.		Ultimately, 2015's [[Hasbro Transformers Collectors' Club (magazine)\|Transformers Collectors' Club magazine]] story ''[[Another Light]]'' formally did away with the concept of multiversal singularities, splintering them into the standard infinite alternate selves that normal beings exist as.