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	==Fiction==		==Fiction==
	===''The Transformers'' cartoon===		===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
	{{voiceactor\|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese)\|[[Serge Bourrier]] (European French), [[Garcia Neto]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}		{{voiceactor\|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese)\|[[Serge Bourrier]] (European French), [[Garcia Neto]] (Brazilian Portuguese), [[Alexander Allerson]] (German)}}

	Primon was the earliest documented bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. He was succeeded as Matrix-bearer by [[Prima]]. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] voyaged into the Matrix in 2005, Primon was the first guide the Autobot leader encountered. Primon related to him the story of the [[Transformer]]s' creation by the Quintessons, and how they were endowed with sentience. {{storylink\|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}		Primon was the earliest documented bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. He was succeeded as Matrix-bearer by [[Prima]]. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] voyaged into the Matrix in 2005, Primon was the first guide the Autobot leader encountered. Primon related to him the story of the [[Transformer]]s' creation by the Quintessons, and how they were endowed with sentience. {{storylink\|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)\|Covenant]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>		* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)\|Covenant]]", which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>
	* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].		* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].
	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."

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	[[File:Ancientrobot ffod.jpg\|upright=1.4\|thumb\|That's a beard you'll have. In the future past.]]		[[File:Ancientrobot ffod.jpg\|upright=1.4\|thumb\|That's a beard you'll have. In the future past.]]
	'''Primon''', the '''Alpha Prime''', is one of the oldest known bearers of the [[Matrix of Leadership\|Matrix]]. ~~As he predated~~ [[Prima]]~~, who is characterized as the first Transformer created on [[Cybertron (planet)\|Cybertron]], it is conceivable that he predates the planet itself (much like the [[Covenant (group)\|Covenant]])~~.		'''Primon''', the '''Alpha Prime''', is one of the oldest known bearers of the [[Matrix of Leadership\|Matrix]]. He may predate [[Prima]] sometimes.

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	{{voiceactor\|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese)\|[[Serge Bourrier]] (European French), [[Garcia Neto]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}		{{voiceactor\|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese)\|[[Serge Bourrier]] (European French), [[Garcia Neto]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

	Primon was the earliest documented bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]~~, but how he came to hold the talisman, and his activities during the [[Quintesson]] occupation of Cybertron, are unknown~~. He was succeeded as Matrix-bearer by [[Prima]]. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] voyaged into the Matrix in 2005, Primon was the first guide the Autobot leader encountered. Primon related to him the story of the [[Transformer]]s' creation by the Quintessons, and how they were endowed with sentience. {{storylink\|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}		Primon was the earliest documented bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]]. He was succeeded as Matrix-bearer by [[Prima]]. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] voyaged into the Matrix in 2005, Primon was the first guide the Autobot leader encountered. Primon related to him the story of the [[Transformer]]s' creation by the Quintessons, and how they were endowed with sentience. {{storylink\|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

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	===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===		===''Transformers vs. G.I. Joe''===
	~~One~~ of the spirits of former Autobot leaders who resided in the [[Matrix of Leadership\|Matrix]], Primon haunted [[Megatron (G1)\|Megatron]] after he stole the artifact, warning the Decepticon that if he sought to control Cybertron, he would have to deal with its ghosts. {{storylink\|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12\|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}} Ghostly images of Primon and other leaders appeared in the sky when [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]] took back the Matrix. {{storylink\|The War Never Ends}}		As one of the spirits of former Autobot leaders who resided in the [[Matrix of Leadership\|Matrix]], Primon haunted [[Megatron (G1)\|Megatron]] after he stole the artifact, warning the Decepticon that if he sought to control Cybertron, he would have to deal with its ghosts. {{storylink\|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe issue 12\|Transformers vs. G.I. Joe #12}} Ghostly images of Primon and other leaders appeared in the sky when [[Optimus Prime (G1)\|Optimus Prime]] took back the Matrix. {{storylink\|The War Never Ends}}

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	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."
	**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".		**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".
	* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. It would later be released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]], and later still was treated as an [[Informed\|in-story symbol]] of other [[Prime (rank)\|Primes]].		* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. It would later be released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]], and later still was treated as an [[Informed\|in-story symbol]] of other [[Prime (rank)\|Primes]]. It is identified as belonging to the "[[Ancient]]s" in [[World of the Transformers]].

	==References==		==References==

Thylacine 2000: /* Notes */

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	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."
	**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".		**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".
	* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. ~~Although this is the only place it appears on a Cybertronian in-fiction, the symbol was~~ later released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]].		* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. It would later be released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]], and later still was treated as an [[Informed\|in-story symbol]] of other [[Prime (rank)\|Primes]].

	==References==		==References==

LilMissImpossible at 15:25, 20 May 2024

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)\|Covenant]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>		* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)\|Covenant]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>
	* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].		* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].
	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."
	**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".		**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".

Roverlord at 13:29, 22 August 2023

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>		* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)\|Covenant]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>
	* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].		* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].
	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."

Chris McFeely at 13:15, 21 March 2023

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* Primon ~~is conspicuously absent~~ from ~~other lists~~ of ~~past Primes, even those~~ by [[Simon Furman]] who wrote "Covenant". When questioned, he offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>		* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>
	* [[Aaron Archer]]~~'s original back-of-~~a~~-dinner-napkin outline for~~ the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series ~~included a character named "Alpha Prime"~~, who ~~in later drafts became~~ [[Vector Prime]].		* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].
	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' ~~came along and declared~~ the ~~character an incarnation of~~ Primon, ~~at the same time merging~~ the ~~two characters with the complete cipher,~~ Alpha Prime~~, who had been mentioned only in passing in Dreamwave's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' guidebook. Many pages were consolidated that day~~.		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."
	**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".		**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".
	* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. Although this is the only place it appears on a Cybertronian in-fiction, the symbol was later released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]].		* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. Although this is the only place it appears on a Cybertronian in-fiction, the symbol was later released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]].

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* Primon is conspicuously absent from other lists of past Primes, even those by [[Simon Furman]] who wrote "Covenant". When questioned,<ref>*[http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php Furman ~~questioned about Primon in~~ ASM ~~interview] (~~archived)</ref> ~~he offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse. (Also "Ummm...")~~		* Primon is conspicuously absent from other lists of past Primes, even those by [[Simon Furman]] who wrote "Covenant". When questioned, he offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>
	* [[Aaron Archer]]'s original back-of-a-dinner-napkin outline for the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series included a character named "Alpha Prime", who in later drafts became [[Vector Prime]].		* [[Aaron Archer]]'s original back-of-a-dinner-napkin outline for the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series included a character named "Alpha Prime", who in later drafts became [[Vector Prime]].
	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' came along and declared the character an incarnation of Primon, at the same time merging the two characters with the complete cipher, Alpha Prime, who had been mentioned only in passing in Dreamwave's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' guidebook. Many pages were consolidated that day.		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' came along and declared the character an incarnation of Primon, at the same time merging the two characters with the complete cipher, Alpha Prime, who had been mentioned only in passing in Dreamwave's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' guidebook. Many pages were consolidated that day.

Fritz: /* The Transformers cartoon */ Brazilian dub

2021-03-05T20:05:14Z

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	===''The Transformers'' cartoon===		===''The Transformers'' cartoon===
	{{voiceactor\|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese)\|[[Serge Bourrier]] (European French)}}		{{voiceactor\|[[Michael Bell]] (English), [[Osamu Saka]] (Japanese)\|[[Serge Bourrier]] (European French), [[Garcia Neto]] (Brazilian Portuguese)}}

	Primon was the earliest documented bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], but how he came to hold the talisman, and his activities during the [[Quintesson]] occupation of Cybertron, are unknown. He was succeeded as Matrix-bearer by [[Prima]]. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] voyaged into the Matrix in 2005, Primon was the first guide the Autobot leader encountered. Primon related to him the story of the [[Transformer]]s' creation by the Quintessons, and how they were endowed with sentience. {{storylink\|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}		Primon was the earliest documented bearer of the [[Matrix of Leadership]], but how he came to hold the talisman, and his activities during the [[Quintesson]] occupation of Cybertron, are unknown. He was succeeded as Matrix-bearer by [[Prima]]. When [[Hot Rod (G1)/Generation 1 cartoon continuity\|Rodimus Prime]] voyaged into the Matrix in 2005, Primon was the first guide the Autobot leader encountered. Primon related to him the story of the [[Transformer]]s' creation by the Quintessons, and how they were endowed with sentience. {{storylink\|Five Faces of Darkness, Part 4}}

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)\|Covenant]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>		* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)\|Covenant]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>
	* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].		* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].
	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."
	**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".		**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	* Primon ~~is conspicuously absent~~ from ~~other lists~~ of ~~past Primes, even those~~ by [[Simon Furman]] who wrote "Covenant". When questioned, he offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>		* "Primon" was first named in the 1999 [[BotCon]] prose story, "[[Covenant (story)]]," which identified him as the bearer of the Matrix prior to [[Prima]]. This conflicted with the only pre-existing list of Matrix-bearers known at the time, from [[Dark Creation\|issue #65]] of the Marvel comic book (written by [[Simon Furman]], the same author who wrote "Covenant"), which identified Prima as the first Transformer to carry the talisman. When questioned, Furman offered up "The Matrix forgot?" as an excuse.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=Umm... pass. The Matrix forgot?\|link=http://web.archive.org/web/20120713070554/http://www.alteredstatesmag.com/features/qanda/sfurman_3.php\|name=Simon Furman\|site=ASM\|year=2002\|month=10\|day=30\|archived=yes}}</ref>
	* [[Aaron Archer]]~~'s original back-of-~~a~~-dinner-napkin outline for~~ the ''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series ~~included a character named "Alpha Prime"~~, who ~~in later drafts became~~ [[Vector Prime]].		* "Alpha Prime" was first named in a new list of Matrix-bearers provided in [[Dreamwave Productions]]' [[Transformers: More than Meets the Eye\|''More than Mets the Eye'' #8]]. By coincidence or design, the name would also later be floated by [[Aaron Archer]] for a new character in the''[[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)\|Transformers: Cybertron]]'' series, who evolved to become [[Vector Prime]].
	* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' ~~came along and declared~~ the ~~character an incarnation of~~ Primon, ~~at the same time merging~~ the ~~two characters with the complete cipher,~~ Alpha Prime~~, who had been mentioned only in passing in Dreamwave's ''More Than Meets The Eye'' guidebook. Many pages were consolidated that day~~.		* The robot ghost from "Five Faces of Darkness" was never named in the cartoon, having been referred to only as "'''Ancient Robot'''" in the episode's dialogue script. In 2010, ''[[Transformers Animated: The AllSpark Almanac II\|The AllSpark Almanac II]]'' retroactively consolidated all three of these characters into one, identifying the "Ancient Robot" as "Primon, the Alpha Prime."
	**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".		**According to [[Recordicons issue 9\|''Recordicons'' #9]], Vector Prime "always lies about Five Faces of Darkness". If true, this would mean that the guy in the image isn't necessarily Primon or the Alpha Prime; we're keeping this page as-is because there's no objective evidence either way, and Primon is more convenient as a page title than "Ancient Robot".
	* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. Although this is the only place it appears on a Cybertronian in-fiction, the symbol was later released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]].		* The symbol stamped on cartoon Primon's forehead is a "prototype" version of the Autobot [[insignia]]. Although this is the only place it appears on a Cybertronian in-fiction, the symbol was later released as a sticker with [[Overcharge (G1)\|Overcharge]].