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	==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==		==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==
	[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]		[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]
	Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances or carry weapons. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time caught onto this fact in January [[1985]],<ref>While Transformers isn't explicitly mentioned, a [https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1JWGgVgthn/ Hasbro memo] dated January 28, 1985, mentions changing the design of ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)\|G.I. Joe]]''{{'}}s [[Lifeline (G.I. Joe)\|Lifeline]] at this time to be compliant with the Geneva Conventions; presumably, Ratchet was updated around this time as well.</ref> which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.		Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]], and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances or carry weapons. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time caught onto this fact in January [[1985]],<ref>While Transformers isn't explicitly mentioned, a [https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1JWGgVgthn/ Hasbro memo] dated January 28, 1985, mentions changing the design of ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)\|G.I. Joe]]''{{'}}s [[Lifeline (G.I. Joe)\|Lifeline]] at this time to be compliant with the Geneva Conventions; presumably, Ratchet was updated around this time as well.</ref> which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

	In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.		In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

	Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.		Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]'s robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.

	==References==		==References==

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	==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==		==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==
	[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]		[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]
	Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances or carry weapons. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time caught onto this fact in January [[1985]],<ref>While Transformers isn't explicitly mentioned, a [https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1JWGgVgthn/ Hasbro memo] dated January 28, 1985, mentions changing ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)\|G.I. Joe]]''{{'}}s [[Lifeline (G.I. Joe\|Lifeline]]~~'s design~~ at this time to be compliant with the Geneva Conventions; presumably, Ratchet was updated around this time as well.</ref> which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.		Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances or carry weapons. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time caught onto this fact in January [[1985]],<ref>While Transformers isn't explicitly mentioned, a [https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1JWGgVgthn/ Hasbro memo] dated January 28, 1985, mentions changing the design of ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)\|G.I. Joe]]''{{'}}s [[Lifeline (G.I. Joe)\|Lifeline]] at this time to be compliant with the Geneva Conventions; presumably, Ratchet was updated around this time as well.</ref> which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

	In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.		In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

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	==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==		==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==
	[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]		[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]
	Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time ~~seemingly~~ caught onto this fact ~~at some point~~ (~~presumably~~) ~~part way through~~ [[~~1985~~]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.		Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances or carry weapons. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time caught onto this fact in January [[1985]],<ref>While Transformers isn't explicitly mentioned, a [https://www.facebook.com/share/p/1JWGgVgthn/ Hasbro memo] dated January 28, 1985, mentions changing ''[[G.I. Joe (franchise)\|G.I. Joe]]''{{'}}s [[Lifeline (G.I. Joe\|Lifeline]]'s design at this time to be compliant with the Geneva Conventions; presumably, Ratchet was updated around this time as well.</ref> which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

	In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.		In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

Saix: /* Marvel Comics continuity */ clean up, replaced: Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity → Scorponok (G1)

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	The Red Cross found [[John Butler]] in the jungles of [[South America]] after he escaped the [[Decepticon]]s operating out of there. {{Storylink\|Hunted!}}		The Red Cross found [[John Butler]] in the jungles of [[South America]] after he escaped the [[Decepticon]]s operating out of there. {{Storylink\|Hunted!}}

	When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]] realized the machinations of an [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|unknown party]], he ordered a retreat from a battle with [[Scorponok (G1)~~/Marvel Comics continuity~~\|Scorponok]]'s [[Decepticon]]s. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Hot Rod]] sarcastically noted that the Decepticons didn't look like they were there to collect for the Red Cross. {{storylink\|All the Familiar Faces!}}		When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]] realized the machinations of an [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|unknown party]], he ordered a retreat from a battle with [[Scorponok (G1)\|Scorponok]]'s [[Decepticon]]s. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Hot Rod]] sarcastically noted that the Decepticons didn't look like they were there to collect for the Red Cross. {{storylink\|All the Familiar Faces!}}

	==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==		==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==

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	==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==		==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==
	[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]		[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]
	Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.		Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

	In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.		In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

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	Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.		Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

	In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|~~Pacman~~-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.		In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

	Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.		Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.

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	When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]] realized the machinations of an [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|unknown party]], he ordered a retreat from a battle with [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Scorponok]]'s [[Decepticon]]s. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Hot Rod]] sarcastically noted that the Decepticons didn't look like they were there to collect for the Red Cross. {{storylink\|All the Familiar Faces!}}		When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]] realized the machinations of an [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|unknown party]], he ordered a retreat from a battle with [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Scorponok]]'s [[Decepticon]]s. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Hot Rod]] sarcastically noted that the Decepticons didn't look like they were there to collect for the Red Cross. {{storylink\|All the Familiar Faces!}}

	==Red Cross and ''Transformers'' ~~history~~==		==The history of Red Cross and ''Transformers''==
	[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]		[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]
	Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.		Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

	In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pacman-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all. Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.		In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pacman-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

	Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.		Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.

			==References==
			{{Reflist}}

	==External links==		==External links==

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Notes

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	When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]] realized the machinations of an [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|unknown party]], he ordered a retreat from a battle with [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Scorponok]]'s [[Decepticon]]s. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Hot Rod]] sarcastically noted that the Decepticons didn't look like they were there to collect for the Red Cross. {{storylink\|All the Familiar Faces!}}		When [[Optimus Prime (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Optimus Prime]] realized the machinations of an [[Megatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|unknown party]], he ordered a retreat from a battle with [[Scorponok (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Scorponok]]'s [[Decepticon]]s. [[Hot Rod (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity\|Hot Rod]] sarcastically noted that the Decepticons didn't look like they were there to collect for the Red Cross. {{storylink\|All the Familiar Faces!}}

	==~~Notes~~==		==Red Cross and ''Transformers'' history==
	*The ~~original~~ [[Ratchet (G1)\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen]] toys all ~~sport~~ the "red cross on white backdrop" logo that ~~belong to~~ the ~~Red Cross organizations. This~~ logo is [[trademark]]ed by the organizations, ~~who enforce the use of their marks heavily these days. Modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as~~ it ~~could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning. The red cross symbol~~ was ~~in fact~~ incorrectly ~~used on all of the aforementioned toys to begin with~~, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. ~~During~~ the ~~Dreamwave days~~, ~~Ratchet was~~ at ~~first drawn with~~ the red cross logo, ~~but~~ subsequent issues gave him a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pacman-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored ~~version or~~ no logo at all. ~~Currently~~, [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction. ~~The~~ occasional flub still ~~slips~~ through, ~~though~~.		[[File:TLK BlueHound vs RedHound.jpg\|thumb\|upright=1.2]]
			Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

			In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pacman-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all. Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

			Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.

	==External links==		==External links==

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	==Notes==		==Notes==
	*The original [[Ratchet (G1)\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (~~Masterforce~~ human)\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen]] toys all sport the "red cross on white backdrop" logo that belong to the Red Cross organizations. This logo is [[trademark]]ed by the organizations, who enforce the use of their marks heavily these days. Modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning. The red cross symbol was in fact incorrectly used on all of the aforementioned toys to begin with, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. During the Dreamwave days, Ratchet was at first drawn with the red cross logo, but subsequent issues gave him a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pacman-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version or no logo at all. Currently, [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction. The occasional flub still slips through, though.		*The original [[Ratchet (G1)\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen]] toys all sport the "red cross on white backdrop" logo that belong to the Red Cross organizations. This logo is [[trademark]]ed by the organizations, who enforce the use of their marks heavily these days. Modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning. The red cross symbol was in fact incorrectly used on all of the aforementioned toys to begin with, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. During the Dreamwave days, Ratchet was at first drawn with the red cross logo, but subsequent issues gave him a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pacman-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version or no logo at all. Currently, [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction. The occasional flub still slips through, though.

	==External links==		==External links==

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	~~:''The Red Cross is an international humanitarian charity from the [[Marvel Comics continuity\|Marvel portion]] of the [[Generation 1 continuity family\|Generation 1]] [[continuity family]].''~~

	The '''Red Cross''' is a charitable organization.		The '''Red Cross''' is a charitable organization.

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	Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.		Back in the mid-80s and early-90s during the respective [[The Transformers (toyline)\|Generation 1]] [[Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers (toyline)\|toylines]]' run in Japan and the West, the [[Ratchet (G1)/toys#The Transformers\|Ratchet]], [[Minerva (human)#Toys\|Minerva]] and [[Sireen#Toys\|Sireen]] toys all sported the "red cross on white backdrop" logo as [[sticker]]s due to [[Hasbro]] and [[TakaraTomy\|Takara]] not knowing that the logo was [[trademark]]ed by the Red Cross organizations, and that it was being used it incorrectly, since the symbol represents humanitarian organizations that normally don't operate regular urban ambulances. While it initially didn't cause any particular issues at the time, the Hasbro team at the time seemingly caught onto this fact at some point (presumably) part way through [[1985]], which led to the removal of the red cross stickers on later releases of Ratchet's toys, and also led to a revision of Ratchet's [[character model]]s in season two of ''[[The Transformers (cartoon)\|The Transformers]]'' cartoon where the logos were removed from his vehicle mode, and his [[robot mode]] shoulders. Despite this revision to Ratchet's models being made, Ratchet's brief appearance in ''[[The Transformers: The Movie]]'' still featured these logos, presumably due to the change being implemented in the cartoon while the film was already in production.

	In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|~~Pacman~~-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.		In [[2002]], the then-current Hasbro team working on ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' [[Red Alert (Armada)#Toys\|Red Alert]] wasn't aware of the trademark, and [[tampograph]]ed the logo onto the toy, while [[Dreamwave Productions\|Dreamwave]] simultaneously also used the logo for G1 Ratchet's appearances in their ''[[Transformers: Generation 1 (Dreamwave)\|Transformers: Generation 1]]'' comics, leading to a legal battle between Hasbro and Red Cross. After this, the planned crosses for ''Armada'' Red Alert's [[Powerlinx]] repaint were dropped, and subsequent Dreamwave issues featuring Ratchet gave him various replacement logos, including a [[:File:Ratchettww.jpg\|Pac-Man-ized version of the logo]], a color-reversed version (which is the pattern of the [[Switzerland\|Swiss]] flag), an uncolored version—and sometimes, no logo at all.<ref>{{citesocial\|quote=At the time, Hasbro had recently been taken to court by the Red Cross for using the trademarked Red Cross emblem on the Armada Red Alert toy. So Hasbro had to make sure the red cross was removed from any toy or licensed product (like a comic) including G1 Ratchet. This is also why they changed the cross logo to some made-up gear logo for the Armada Red Alert repaint [...] So, starting with TFG1 Vol.2 #2 we had to start coloring Ratchet a little differently, no big deal. When it BECAME a big deal was actually the above-shown TF G1 Vol.2 #3. During production of this issue the change was forgotten and Ratchet was colored the old way with red crosses showing. This actually happened while I was on vacation, and when I came back I saw the early print samples of the issue had just come in. After a quick review I noticed the mistake, and everybody scrambled trying to figure out what to do. I remember we tried begging Hasbro to let is slide just this once, but no go (their hands were really tied after the lawsuit). So the whole print run of the issue was pulped and reprinted. Not sure what the exact number of copies was, but it would have been at least 70,000 comics destroyed. Ouch! For comparison to these days comics, that would be the full prints runs at least 4 or 5 IDW Transformers comics.\|link=https://web.archive.org/web/20120830111944/http://www.lilformers.com/blog/2012/04/05/dreamslaves-4-red-crosses/\|name=Matt Moylan\|site=Lil Formers\|title=DREAMSLAVES #4: Red Crosses\|year=2012\|month=04\|day=05}}</ref> Since then, all modern ''Transformers'' toys can no longer sport the logo, as it could be considered an abuse of the symbol's meaning, so now [[Hasbro]] typically uses [[:File:AMH16-Ratchet.jpg\|"electrocardiogram" graphics]] as a substitute, which is usually also reflected in fiction.

	Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.		Despite this, the occasional flub still manages to slip through, with one of the more notable cases being ''[[Transformers: The Last Knight (film)\|The Last Knight]]'' [[Hound (Movie)\|Hound]]s' robot mode helmet (right), which featured the logo in the film's early trailers. The final release of the film initially muted the colors of the logo, while home media releases of the film changed the red of the crosses into a bluish-purple color instead. Initial stock renders and images of Hound's toys also featured the logo, but these were dropped on the final toy as well.