Talk:Abbreviations - Revision history

BerylRoll at 14:46, 18 January 2026

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	Just a couple of things I want to comment on.		Just a couple of things I want to comment on.
	*Do you think it is necessary to include things that don't actually stand for anything, like [[BB]], EZ Collection, KB Toys, 3H, and various Arms Microns?		*Do you think it is necessary to include things that don't actually stand for anything, like [[BB (BW)\|BB]], EZ Collection, KB Toys, 3H, and various Arms Microns?
	*I don't think "FARTS" is an actual acronym.		*I don't think "FARTS" is an actual acronym.
	*What is a GoBox? - [[User:Gimmick\|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick\|talk]]) 11:06, 23 November 2013 (EST)		*What is a GoBox? - [[User:Gimmick\|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick\|talk]]) 11:06, 23 November 2013 (EST)

AzimuthAcolyte: pointing to franchise page

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pointing to franchise page

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	i was mainly thinking of acronyms when i created this page, but i've also seen (and occasionally misunderstood) abbreviations which are not acronyms. Should this page include non-acronym abbreviations? Such as:		i was mainly thinking of acronyms when i created this page, but i've also seen (and occasionally misunderstood) abbreviations which are not acronyms. Should this page include non-acronym abbreviations? Such as:
	*Alt (which i've seen refer to [[Alternators]] or [[altmodes]], but not [[Alternity]])		*Alt (which i've seen refer to [[Alternators]] or [[altmodes]], but not [[Transformers: Alternity\|Alternity]])
	*Arm (which i've seen refer to [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)]] but not [[Cyclonus%27s Armada]])		*Arm (which i've seen refer to [[Transformers: Armada (franchise)]] but not [[Cyclonus%27s Armada]])
	*Cyb (which i've seen refer to [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)]] but not planet or the faction)		*Cyb (which i've seen refer to [[Transformers: Cybertron (franchise)]] but not planet or the faction)

Waverod: /* GTS */ new section

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GTS: new section

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	*Slightly more on-topic: ''If'' the decision is to move the page from [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], how is that done?		*Slightly more on-topic: ''If'' the decision is to move the page from [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], how is that done?
	*--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2013 (EST)		*--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2013 (EST)

			== GTS ==

			While I don't have anything to back up its use as such in Transformers, GTS in the auto industry is generally taken to mean "grand tourer sport", referring to a car that has the comfort of a grand touring car for long drives and the performance expected out of a sports car. This seems at least plausible for its use here, too, but without any sources I wanted to mention it here first. [[User:Cosmos1\|Waverod ✈️]] ([[User talk:Cosmos1\|talk]]) 18:00, 3 September 2018 (EDT)

Bluestreak7: /* Thanks! / Help! */

2016-01-07T20:24:11Z

Thanks! / Help!

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	*What is a GoBox? - [[User:Gimmick\|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick\|talk]]) 11:06, 23 November 2013 (EST)		*What is a GoBox? - [[User:Gimmick\|Gimmick]] ([[User talk:Gimmick\|talk]]) 11:06, 23 November 2013 (EST)
	:FARTS wasn't used in-universe, was it? Does it count? (Mind you, lots of things on this page aren't acronyms. NEST, HOPE, and NAIL are acronyms, CNA, GTS, and RPM are not. Also has anyone ever used FuP for Fun Pub? This is the first time I've seen it anywhere.) GoBoxes are the boxes on the left hand side of TFWiki pages with "Go!" in them, though the only place I've seen them abbreviated GB is in image file names. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 19:06, 24 November 2013 (EST)		:FARTS wasn't used in-universe, was it? Does it count? (Mind you, lots of things on this page aren't acronyms. NEST, HOPE, and NAIL are acronyms, CNA, GTS, and RPM are not. Also has anyone ever used FuP for Fun Pub? This is the first time I've seen it anywhere.) GoBoxes are the boxes on the left hand side of TFWiki pages with "Go!" in them, though the only place I've seen them abbreviated GB is in image file names. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates\|talk]]) 19:06, 24 November 2013 (EST)
	::My intention for this page was a "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" kind of thing. Sometimes i see an acronym or abbreviation, think "What the heck does that mean?" ...Sometimes i can puzzle it out, or track down the answer, but sometimes not. Sometimes i forget even ones that i know. (See RTS, above--despite my having already defined CHUGGERTS.) Sometimes i find out that it isn't actually an abbreviation, even though it looks like one. So i hoped this page would be like a master answer key, so yes, i'm inclined to include BB, EZC, etc. Also abbreviations like Alt, Arm, Cyb, and such, but the page is called [[Acronyms]]... How do people feel about changing it to [[Abbreviations]]? (And how does one go about changing a page name anyway?) How do people feel about [[Acronym]], [[Abbreviation]], and [[Abbreviations]] redirecting to [[Acronyms]]?		::My intention for this page was a "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" kind of thing. Sometimes i see an acronym or abbreviation, think "What the heck does that mean?" ...Sometimes i can puzzle it out, or track down the answer, but sometimes not. Sometimes i forget even ones that i know. (See RTS, above--despite my having already defined CHUGGERTS.) Sometimes i find out that it isn't actually an abbreviation, even though it looks like one. So i hoped this page would be like a master answer key, so yes, i'm inclined to include BB, EZC, etc. Also abbreviations like Alt, Arm, Cyb, and such, but the page is called [[Acronyms]]... How do people feel about changing it to [[Abbreviations]]? (And how does one go about changing a page name anyway?) How do people feel about "Acronym", "Abbreviation", and [[Abbreviations]] redirecting to [[Acronyms]]?
	::How are CNA and RPM not acronyms? (i still don't know what GT or GTS means.)		::How are CNA and RPM not acronyms? (i still don't know what GT or GTS means.)
	::If i remember correctly, i once saw a GoBox showing some [[Super deformed]] Transformers, and i wanted more information on the comic strip that used that artwork, but the GoBox itself actually linked to the [[character]] shown in the picture. i thought GB was an abbreviation for the name of the comic, but--surprise surprise--none of my searches for anything related to GB got me the results i wanted. Eventually i figured out that the GB in the file name actually referred to the GoBox and had nothing to do with the comic. That's why i put GoBox on the list, to save others from similar fruitless searches.		::If i remember correctly, i once saw a GoBox showing some [[Super deformed]] Transformers, and i wanted more information on the comic strip that used that artwork, but the GoBox itself actually linked to the [[character]] shown in the picture. i thought GB was an abbreviation for the name of the comic, but--surprise surprise--none of my searches for anything related to GB got me the results i wanted. Eventually i figured out that the GB in the file name actually referred to the GoBox and had nothing to do with the comic. That's why i put GoBox on the list, to save others from similar fruitless searches.

Ironhold at 00:32, 13 July 2015

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	::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)
	*i want to thank Emvee for adding [[PARD]], which i only know about because of its presence on the mis-named (sorry) [[Acronyms]] page. The notion of a [[Shattered Glass]] [[PARD]] amuses me.		*i want to thank Emvee for adding [[PARD]], which i only know about because of its presence on the mis-named (sorry) [[Acronyms]] page. The notion of a [[Shattered Glass]] [[PARD]] amuses me.
	*That said, i think i agree with Khajidha. It seems counterintuitive to me to deliberately ''leave out'' any "Initialisms" or "Alphabetisms" or acronyms, and i ''was'' leaning towards expanding the list to include other types of abbreviations like the aforementioned Alt, Arm, Cyb, Quint, etc., but maybe redirects would be more effective... in most cases. Some abbreviations may call for multiple redirect pages (such as [[MTMTE]] and [[MtMtE]], or [[B.A.T.]], [[BAT]], [[b.a.t.]], etc.). Some abbreviations might warrant their own disambiguation pages, such as [[Acronyms#A\|AM]]. However, what about abbreviations which might confuse TFWiki readers, but do not have TFWiki pages because the terms are not exclusive to Transformers? Examples that come to mind are [[Acronyms#O\|OAV/OVA]], [[Acronyms#R\|RPG]], [[STD Convoy\|STD]], and [[Acronyms#T\|TPB]]. Also A.R.T.S., which i just discovered tonight on the pages for [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]].		*That said, i think i agree with Khajidha. It seems counterintuitive to me to deliberately ''leave out'' any "Initialisms" or "Alphabetisms" or acronyms, and i ''was'' leaning towards expanding the list to include other types of abbreviations like the aforementioned Alt, Arm, Cyb, Quint, etc., but maybe redirects would be more effective... in most cases. Some abbreviations may call for multiple redirect pages (such as [[MTMTE]] and "MtMtE", or [[B.A.T.]], "BAT", "b.a.t.", etc.). Some abbreviations might warrant their own disambiguation pages, such as [[Acronyms#A\|AM]]. However, what about abbreviations which might confuse TFWiki readers, but do not have TFWiki pages because the terms are not exclusive to Transformers? Examples that come to mind are [[Acronyms#O\|OAV/OVA]], [[Acronyms#R\|RPG]], [[STD Convoy\|STD]], and [[Acronyms#T\|TPB]]. Also A.R.T.S., which i just discovered tonight on the pages for [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]].
	*Slightly on-topic: Is there a reason why, for example, [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] is preferable to [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] or [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] ? Originally i preferred the third option for items on this page, but then i thought the second option might be better, but the consensus seems to be for the first option, and i'm curious why. Does linking to a redirect increase wear and tear on computers or something? [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] is easier to type than [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] and seems to yield the same results, while [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] is in between as far as difficulty to type but comes out ahead in terms of informing the user where the link will go.		*Slightly on-topic: Is there a reason why, for example, [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] is preferable to [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] or [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] ? Originally i preferred the third option for items on this page, but then i thought the second option might be better, but the consensus seems to be for the first option, and i'm curious why. Does linking to a redirect increase wear and tear on computers or something? [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] is easier to type than [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] and seems to yield the same results, while [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] is in between as far as difficulty to type but comes out ahead in terms of informing the user where the link will go.
	*Slightly more on-topic: ''If'' the decision is to move the page from [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], how is that done?		*Slightly more on-topic: ''If'' the decision is to move the page from [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], how is that done?
	*--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2013 (EST)		*--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2013 (EST)

Rhymus: Rhymus moved page Talk:Acronyms to Talk:Abbreviations: the title Acronyms is inaccurate in most cases

2013-12-30T11:40:22Z

Rhymus moved page Talk:Acronyms to Talk:Abbreviations: the title Acronyms is inaccurate in most cases

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Rhymus: dismantle Acronyms into a fleet of redirect pages?

2013-12-18T10:46:18Z

dismantle Acronyms into a fleet of redirect pages?

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	:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)
	::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)
			*i want to thank Emvee for adding [[PARD]], which i only know about because of its presence on the mis-named (sorry) [[Acronyms]] page. The notion of a [[Shattered Glass]] [[PARD]] amuses me.
			*That said, i think i agree with Khajidha. It seems counterintuitive to me to deliberately ''leave out'' any "Initialisms" or "Alphabetisms" or acronyms, and i ''was'' leaning towards expanding the list to include other types of abbreviations like the aforementioned Alt, Arm, Cyb, Quint, etc., but maybe redirects would be more effective... in most cases. Some abbreviations may call for multiple redirect pages (such as [[MTMTE]] and [[MtMtE]], or [[B.A.T.]], [[BAT]], [[b.a.t.]], etc.). Some abbreviations might warrant their own disambiguation pages, such as [[Acronyms#A\|AM]]. However, what about abbreviations which might confuse TFWiki readers, but do not have TFWiki pages because the terms are not exclusive to Transformers? Examples that come to mind are [[Acronyms#O\|OAV/OVA]], [[Acronyms#R\|RPG]], [[STD Convoy\|STD]], and [[Acronyms#T\|TPB]]. Also A.R.T.S., which i just discovered tonight on the pages for [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]].
			*Slightly on-topic: Is there a reason why, for example, [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] is preferable to [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] or [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] ? Originally i preferred the third option for items on this page, but then i thought the second option might be better, but the consensus seems to be for the first option, and i'm curious why. Does linking to a redirect increase wear and tear on computers or something? [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] is easier to type than [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] and seems to yield the same results, while [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] is in between as far as difficulty to type but comes out ahead in terms of informing the user where the link will go.
			*Slightly more on-topic: ''If'' the decision is to move the page from [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], how is that done?
			*--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2013 (EST)

Khajidha: /* Thanks! / Help! */

2013-12-10T16:02:53Z

Thanks! / Help!

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	::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)
	:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)
	::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)

Khajidha: /* Thanks! / Help! */

2013-12-10T16:01:35Z

Thanks! / Help!

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	::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)
	:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)
			::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)

Emvee at 15:33, 10 December 2013

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	:::::::::With relation to the page title, Wikipedia lists "Initialisms" and "Alphabetisms" as terms for things like AHM or ATT where it's not an acronym because the letters don't make a new word. Personally I find both of them kind of obnoxious and unwieldy as opposed to simply "Abbreviations" --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::With relation to the page title, Wikipedia lists "Initialisms" and "Alphabetisms" as terms for things like AHM or ATT where it's not an acronym because the letters don't make a new word. Personally I find both of them kind of obnoxious and unwieldy as opposed to simply "Abbreviations" --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)
	::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)
			:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)

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	:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)
	::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)
			*i want to thank Emvee for adding [[PARD]], which i only know about because of its presence on the mis-named (sorry) [[Acronyms]] page. The notion of a [[Shattered Glass]] [[PARD]] amuses me.
			*That said, i think i agree with Khajidha. It seems counterintuitive to me to deliberately ''leave out'' any "Initialisms" or "Alphabetisms" or acronyms, and i ''was'' leaning towards expanding the list to include other types of abbreviations like the aforementioned Alt, Arm, Cyb, Quint, etc., but maybe redirects would be more effective... in most cases. Some abbreviations may call for multiple redirect pages (such as [[MTMTE]] and [[MtMtE]], or [[B.A.T.]], [[BAT]], [[b.a.t.]], etc.). Some abbreviations might warrant their own disambiguation pages, such as [[Acronyms#A\|AM]]. However, what about abbreviations which might confuse TFWiki readers, but do not have TFWiki pages because the terms are not exclusive to Transformers? Examples that come to mind are [[Acronyms#O\|OAV/OVA]], [[Acronyms#R\|RPG]], [[STD Convoy\|STD]], and [[Acronyms#T\|TPB]]. Also A.R.T.S., which i just discovered tonight on the pages for [[Blackarachnia (Animated)]] and [[Bumblebee (Animated)]].
			*Slightly on-topic: Is there a reason why, for example, [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] is preferable to [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] or [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] ? Originally i preferred the third option for items on this page, but then i thought the second option might be better, but the consensus seems to be for the first option, and i'm curious why. Does linking to a redirect increase wear and tear on computers or something? [ [ Optimus Prime ] ] is easier to type than [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) \| Optimus Prime ] ] and seems to yield the same results, while [ [ Optimus Prime (disambiguation) ] ] is in between as far as difficulty to type but comes out ahead in terms of informing the user where the link will go.
			*Slightly more on-topic: ''If'' the decision is to move the page from [[Acronyms]] to [[Abbreviations]], how is that done?
			*--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 05:46, 18 December 2013 (EST)

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	::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)
	:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)
	::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S.]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)

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	::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)
	:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)
			::::::::::::You have completely misunderstood my point about disambig pages. My point was that a naive user looking for this "Optimus Prime" or "Abominus" they have heard of cannot simply type in Optimus Prime or Abominus and go directly to the page that tells them about the exact version of that character that they are looking for. They must go to the disambiguation page and pick through the list as you describe. The disambig page is thus not bloat. Typing in [[B.A.T.]], [[3H]], [[A3]], [[AT-AT]], [[D.O.L.T.S]] and many, many others on this list takes you to the article about that subject. How or why would anyone come to this particular page looking for the explanation of those things? A glossary of abbreviations that are used in the fandom but do not have/need full pages could be useful but right now the few useful entries (such as CHUG) on this page are hidden amongst things that are already fully explained elsewhere. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 11:01, 10 December 2013 (EST)

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	:::::::::With relation to the page title, Wikipedia lists "Initialisms" and "Alphabetisms" as terms for things like AHM or ATT where it's not an acronym because the letters don't make a new word. Personally I find both of them kind of obnoxious and unwieldy as opposed to simply "Abbreviations" --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)		:::::::::With relation to the page title, Wikipedia lists "Initialisms" and "Alphabetisms" as terms for things like AHM or ATT where it's not an acronym because the letters don't make a new word. Personally I find both of them kind of obnoxious and unwieldy as opposed to simply "Abbreviations" --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 11:48, 9 December 2013 (EST)
	::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)		::::::::::Items on a disambiguation page cannot be individually searched for by a naive user who does not already know our disambiguation system. Therefor, having all possible Optimus Primes linked to from a page is, in itself, useful as that lets the user know that the term itself is ambiguous. How does having all of these abbreviations listed here, on a page no one is likely to think to look for, help our users more than simply making the appropriate redirects? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:27, 9 December 2013 (EST)
			:::::::::::To pick a disambig page at more or less random (Abominus came up first alphabetically) that's just not true. You can type "Abominus" into the search box and it brings up every single version of Abominus in the suggested links underneath. What's the point of the disambiguation page? It's just unnecessary bloat by your reasoning. Besides, if you start deleting acronyms and abbreviations from this page you're guaranteeing yourself a lifetime of constant patrols as other and newer users add them back in. Which is fine if you want to spend your time doing that, but there are probably more important things to worry about. --[[User:Emvee\|Emvee]] ([[User talk:Emvee\|talk]]) 10:33, 10 December 2013 (EST)