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Tito-Mosquito at 04:30, 20 January 2013

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	Just wanted to add, the PSP ROTF game also has the Fallen refering to his comrades as the ''"Ancients"''. [[User:Straxus\|Straxus]] 15:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		Just wanted to add, the PSP ROTF game also has the Fallen refering to his comrades as the ''"Ancients"''. [[User:Straxus\|Straxus]] 15:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

			I wonder if this could be their [[:Image:Ancient_Transformer_Symbol.png\|insignia]]? - [[User:Tito-Mosquito\|Tito-Mosquito]] 23:30, 19 January 2013 (EST)

	== List of Ancients vs Picture of Ancients ==		== List of Ancients vs Picture of Ancients ==

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List of Ancients vs Picture of Ancients

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	Why are Vector Prime & Logos Prime listed as Ancients when clearly the image of the ancients are the G1 incarnations of Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, & Jazz. --[[Special:Contributions/67.187.26.29\|67.187.26.29]] 11:52, 12 August 2009 (EDT)		Why are Vector Prime & Logos Prime listed as Ancients when clearly the image of the ancients are the G1 incarnations of Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, & Jazz. --[[Special:Contributions/67.187.26.29\|67.187.26.29]] 11:52, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

			:Vector Prime and Logos Prime are officially confirmed. While the main picture are just generic Ancients with ''Generation One'' Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, and Jazz's character models. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 22:22, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

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	Just wanted to add, the PSP ROTF game also has the Fallen refering to his comrades as the ''"Ancients"''. [[User:Straxus\|Straxus]] 15:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		Just wanted to add, the PSP ROTF game also has the Fallen refering to his comrades as the ''"Ancients"''. [[User:Straxus\|Straxus]] 15:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

			== List of Ancients vs Picture of Ancients ==

			Why are Vector Prime & Logos Prime listed as Ancients when clearly the image of the ancients are the G1 incarnations of Optimus Prime, Hot Rod, Ultra Magnus, & Jazz. --[[Special:Contributions/67.187.26.29\|67.187.26.29]] 11:52, 12 August 2009 (EDT)

Straxus at 19:47, 6 July 2009

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	::::I'm with Rosh on this. TF's always had alternating Council of elders/Council of ancients going on. (Often referring ot the ''same'' council.) It's a virtually generic term... ''except'' in Master of the Game where they're trying to use it to refer to the original 13.		::::I'm with Rosh on this. TF's always had alternating Council of elders/Council of ancients going on. (Often referring ot the ''same'' council.) It's a virtually generic term... ''except'' in Master of the Game where they're trying to use it to refer to the original 13.
	::::I can't really ''blame'' Japan for wanting a better term-- "13 Original Transformers" is clumsy, and "13 Prototypes" (from WOTF) is inaccurate. And the usual fallback (Greek) yields "Triskaidekasetti," which is just... no. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 12:07, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		::::I can't really ''blame'' Japan for wanting a better term-- "13 Original Transformers" is clumsy, and "13 Prototypes" (from WOTF) is inaccurate. And the usual fallback (Greek) yields "Triskaidekasetti," which is just... no. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 12:07, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

			Just wanted to add, the PSP ROTF game also has the Fallen refering to his comrades as the ''"Ancients"''. [[User:Straxus\|Straxus]] 15:47, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Derik at 16:07, 6 July 2009

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	::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
	:::"Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		:::"Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
			::::I'm with Rosh on this. TF's always had alternating Council of elders/Council of ancients going on. (Often referring ot the ''same'' council.) It's a virtually generic term... ''except'' in Master of the Game where they're trying to use it to refer to the original 13.
			::::I can't really ''blame'' Japan for wanting a better term-- "13 Original Transformers" is clumsy, and "13 Prototypes" (from WOTF) is inaccurate. And the usual fallback (Greek) yields "Triskaidekasetti," which is just... no. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 12:07, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

Rosicrucian at 15:41, 6 July 2009

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	::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
			:::"Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

ItsWalky at 15:38, 6 July 2009

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	::"In the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' book "Sound Like the Transformers" <small>(Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Voice Changer?)</small>, Jetfire mention the first 13 Transformers as the Ancients. Whether the term "Ancients" here is a description/pronoun or literally meaning the "Ancients" mentioned in ''Cybertron'' anime is still unclear due to the lack of any further information.		::"In the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' book "Sound Like the Transformers" <small>(Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Voice Changer?)</small>, Jetfire mention the first 13 Transformers as the Ancients. Whether the term "Ancients" here is a description/pronoun or literally meaning the "Ancients" mentioned in ''Cybertron'' anime is still unclear due to the lack of any further information.
	:--'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:26, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		:--'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:26, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
			::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

TX55 at 15:26, 6 July 2009

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	{{quote\|The symbols tell how we began. We were ruled by the Ancients - the first 13 Transformers. The forged the Matrix of Leadership, a key used to power a great machine. It destroys suns and collects their Energon. The Ancients agreed never to use this power on a planet with life. One of the Ancients, the Fallen, defied that rule. He destroyed the other Ancients - all but one, who saved the Matrix. ...\|Jetfire}}		{{quote\|The symbols tell how we began. We were ruled by the Ancients - the first 13 Transformers. The forged the Matrix of Leadership, a key used to power a great machine. It destroys suns and collects their Energon. The Ancients agreed never to use this power on a planet with life. One of the Ancients, the Fallen, defied that rule. He destroyed the other Ancients - all but one, who saved the Matrix. ...\|Jetfire}}
	So it's the usual ROTF adaptation story, what with the one surviving Prime, but it sure likes to use the word "Ancients." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 10:16, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		So it's the usual ROTF adaptation story, what with the one surviving Prime, but it sure likes to use the word "Ancients." --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 10:16, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

			:I think maybe we can put this in the Trivia as something like:
			::"In the ''Revenge of the Fallen'' book "Sound Like the Transformers" <small>(Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen Voice Changer?)</small>, Jetfire mention the first 13 Transformers as the Ancients. Whether the term "Ancients" here is a description/pronoun or literally meaning the "Ancients" mentioned in ''Cybertron'' anime is still unclear due to the lack of any further information.
			:--'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:26, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

ItsWalky: New page: In the ROTF book, "Sound Like the Transformers" (the one with a voice-modifying microphone), it equates the ancients with the original thirteen. So at the very least we need to disambigua...

2009-07-06T14:16:32Z

New page: In the ROTF book, "Sound Like the Transformers" (the one with a voice-modifying microphone), it equates the ancients with the original thirteen. So at the very least we need to disambigua...

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In the ROTF book, "Sound Like the Transformers" (the one with a voice-modifying microphone), it equates the ancients with the original thirteen. So at the very least we need to disambiguate. Let me quote:
{{quote|The symbols tell how we began. We were ruled by the Ancients - the first 13 Transformers. The forged the Matrix of Leadership, a key used to power a great machine. It destroys suns and collects their Energon. The Ancients agreed never to use this power on a planet with life. One of the Ancients, the Fallen, defied that rule. He destroyed the other Ancients - all but one, who saved the Matrix. ...|Jetfire}}
So it's the usual ROTF adaptation story, what with the one surviving Prime, but it sure likes to use the word "Ancients." --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:16, 6 July 2009 (EDT)

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	::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)		::I very much doubt we can or should suggest that this ''Revenge of the Fallen'' childrens book was making a reference to the ''Cybertron'' cartoon. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:38, 6 July 2009 (EDT)
			:::"Ancient" is a very non-specific term. I think Master of the Game is the only real fiction that treats it as if it were a real group and not just a descriptor.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:41, 6 July 2009 (EDT)