Talk:Black Roritchi - Revision history

Saix at 15:32, 22 November 2024

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	:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)		:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
	::Presumably because it's a note that makes more sense than "we don't know what it means, maybe it's a reference to an American baseball player for some reason?" Pretty sure it wouldn't be the first time that we had notes about translation speculation on pages with difficult-to-translate names. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul\|talk]]) 05:50, 22 November 2024 (EST)		::Presumably because it's a note that makes more sense than "we don't know what it means, maybe it's a reference to an American baseball player for some reason?" Pretty sure it wouldn't be the first time that we had notes about translation speculation on pages with difficult-to-translate names. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul\|talk]]) 05:50, 22 November 2024 (EST)
			:::Those usually have better basis than whatever this Pepe Silvia thing is. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:32, 22 November 2024 (EST)

Dark T Zeratul: /* Mentioning the Navokov in the Room */

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	So... ''Wicked Fasttrack''? The prefix and suffix in ロリッチ can both mean cute-or-diminuitive as applied to snacks or cakes. Is he [[Rad White\|Wicked Sweet]]?-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] ([[User talk:Derik\|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2024 (EDT)		So... ''Wicked Fasttrack''? The prefix and suffix in ロリッチ can both mean cute-or-diminuitive as applied to snacks or cakes. Is he [[Rad White\|Wicked Sweet]]?-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] ([[User talk:Derik\|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
	:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)		:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
			::Presumably because it's a note that makes more sense than "we don't know what it means, maybe it's a reference to an American baseball player for some reason?" Pretty sure it wouldn't be the first time that we had notes about translation speculation on pages with difficult-to-translate names. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul\|talk]]) 05:50, 22 November 2024 (EST)

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	==~~Black Roritchi~~==		==Moved discussion from "Talk:Fasttrack (G1)"==
	Would anyone know what "roritchi / ロリッチ" means? I'd guess something like "low ridge" but I'm not sure if that could be right without a prolonged "o"-sound. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 13:48, 12 December 2010 (EST)		Would anyone know what "roritchi / ロリッチ" means? I'd guess something like "low ridge" but I'm not sure if that could be right without a prolonged "o"-sound. [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 13:48, 12 December 2010 (EST)
	:On a related note, wouldn't it make more sense for his name to be rendered as "Roricchi" given that the small ッ has the effect of doubling the next normal-sized character's consonant sound? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 00:25, 21 February 2020 (EST)		:On a related note, wouldn't it make more sense for his name to be rendered as "Roricchi" given that the small ッ has the effect of doubling the next normal-sized character's consonant sound? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 00:25, 21 February 2020 (EST)
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	Definition of lorica		Definition of lorica
	1: a Roman cuirass of leather or metal		1: a Roman cuirass of leather or metal
	2[New Latin, from Latin] : a hard protective case or shell (as of a rotifer)		2[New Latin, from Latin] : a hard protective case or shell (as of a rotifer) {{unsigned\|Cyriljackal}}
	:ロリカ is not ロリッチ and that makes no sense for this character. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 00:31, 22 August 2020 (EDT)		:ロリカ is not ロリッチ and that makes no sense for this character. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 00:31, 22 August 2020 (EDT)

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	So... ''Wicked Fasttrack''? The prefix and suffix in ロリッチ can both mean cute-or-diminuitive as applied to snacks or cakes. Is he [[Rad White\|Wicked Sweet]]?-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] ([[User talk:Derik\|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2024 (EDT)		So... ''Wicked Fasttrack''? The prefix and suffix in ロリッチ can both mean cute-or-diminuitive as applied to snacks or cakes. Is he [[Rad White\|Wicked Sweet]]?-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] ([[User talk:Derik\|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
			:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)

Derik: /* Mentioning the Navokov in the Room */ new section

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	So is he the Guardminder's Leader or is this just speculation? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801\|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801\|talk]]) 22:01, 3 January 2022 (EST))		So is he the Guardminder's Leader or is this just speculation? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801\|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801\|talk]]) 22:01, 3 January 2022 (EST))
	:Read the note. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 22:53, 3 January 2022 (EST)		:Read the note. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 22:53, 3 January 2022 (EST)

			== Mentioning the Navokov in the Room ==

			"Black ロリッチ" is a pain in the ass to translate:
			*Basically "ロリ" means loli, short for Lolita, either denoting 'young girl', or simply 'young person', or even just 'something which is cute' in the chibbi sense; an infantalizing prefix.
			* The suffix "ッチ" can be a suffix which indicates endearment or as a diminuitive.
			* "ッチ" can also mean "immediately, at once, post-haste, done in an express manner"
			* Meanwhile "itchi" can mean "group/collective/swarm/chorus", and while the Guardminders are definately such a group that doesn't seem to be a correct reading. (Unless it's a pun while also primarily meaning something else.)
			* "っち", pronounced, 'tch' is also sometimes used for the word 'touch'. Fortunately this seems to be limited to contexts like "touch screens," and so "dark child-toucher" is not a possible translation.
			* And of course "rori" could also be read as "Lori", which is a kind of truck.
			"Black" means black, though it is also used to mean 'unethical' or 'wicked', in the sense of the phrase "Black Pirate band."

			So we are left with possible translations like "Black Cute-Speedy", or "Black speed-truck." Which... the American version of the mold is called "Fasttrack." ...what if someone in Japan misread that as *"Fast-truck" when they were coming up with the name?

			The only other alternative translation I see is... Gothic Lolita? If it's a reference to that type of fashion it would be awfully early... Gothic Lolita didn't really spread until the 1990s, OTOH Masterforce was pretty tuned into gothic stylings via Mega and Giga.

			I honestly think it means "Black Fastruck." Which makes the 'black' utterly insane. That at least made semi-sense with 'Gothic Lolita,' since it was part of a phrase. (I suppose that he is "Black" in relation to serving under Black Zarak.)

			So... ''Wicked Fasttrack''? The prefix and suffix in ロリッチ can both mean cute-or-diminuitive as applied to snacks or cakes. Is he [[Rad White\|Wicked Sweet]]?-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] ([[User talk:Derik\|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2024 (EDT)

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Guardminders

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	So is he the Guardminder's Leader or is this just speculation? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801\|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801\|talk]]) 22:01, 3 January 2022 (EST))		So is he the Guardminder's Leader or is this just speculation? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801\|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801\|talk]]) 22:01, 3 January 2022 (EST))
			:Read the note. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 22:53, 3 January 2022 (EST)

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	[[User:Greboguru\|Greboguru]] ([[User talk:Greboguru\|talk]]) 18:09, 1 July 2021 (EDT)		[[User:Greboguru\|Greboguru]] ([[User talk:Greboguru\|talk]]) 18:09, 1 July 2021 (EDT)

			== Guardminders ==

			So is he the Guardminder's Leader or is this just speculation? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801\|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801\|talk]]) 22:01, 3 January 2022 (EST))

Sabrblade: /* Black Roritchi */

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Black Roritchi

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	:ロリカ is not ロリッチ and that makes no sense for this character. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 00:31, 22 August 2020 (EDT)		:ロリカ is not ロリッチ and that makes no sense for this character. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 00:31, 22 August 2020 (EDT)

	Could his name be a combination of ''roll'' and ''sasori''? I have no idea how the characters would work but the thought came to me because he turns into a wheeled vehicle and is associated with Black Zarak, who turns into a scorpion (sasori in Japanese). The "itchi" part I don't know maybe it's just to make it sound more sci-fi. Sounds like Arms Micron logic now that I typed it out		Could his name be a combination of ''roll'' and ''sasori''? I have no idea how the characters would work but the thought came to me because he turns into a wheeled vehicle and is associated with Black Zarak, who turns into a scorpion (sasori in Japanese). The "itchi" part I don't know maybe it's just to make it sound more sci-fi. Sounds like Arms Micron logic now that I typed it out {{unsigned\|Toadboiler\|20:35, 19 May 2021}}
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	Could his name be a combination of ''roll'' and ''sasori''? I have no idea how the characters would work but the thought came to me because he turns into a wheeled vehicle and is associated with Black Zarak, who turns into a scorpion (sasori in Japanese). The "itchi" part I don't know maybe it's just to make it sound more sci-fi. Sounds like Arms Micron logic now that I typed it out		Could his name be a combination of ''roll'' and ''sasori''? I have no idea how the characters would work but the thought came to me because he turns into a wheeled vehicle and is associated with Black Zarak, who turns into a scorpion (sasori in Japanese). The "itchi" part I don't know maybe it's just to make it sound more sci-fi. Sounds like Arms Micron logic now that I typed it out
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			'''ロリッチ = Lolich'''<br>
			The only actual instances I could find of ロリッチ in Japanese pages (outside of the Transformer) are the professional baseball players [https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%AD%E3%83%B3%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%83%E3%83%81 Ron Lolich] and
			[https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%9F%E3%83%83%E3%82%AD%E3%83%BC%E3%83%BB%E3%83%AD%E3%83%AA%E3%83%83%E3%83%81 Mickey Lolich]. The meaning of the family name Lolich is not known, as far as I can tell. Why a Decepticon would be named after a baseball player is unclear, but baseball is popular in Japan and Ron Lolich did play for two Japanese teams from 1974–1976. It also stands out to me that the katakana for 'Lolich' is structurally identical to 'Zarak': a mora, a mora, a small 'tsu', and a mora with a devoiced vowel. Romanized, it's ''ZA-RA-(tsu)-Ku'' and ''RO-RI-(tsu)-CHi''. This is an example of common Japanese wordplay.<br>
			In addition, I found this "Ask Vector Prime" tumblr post which discusses the topic:
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			[https://askvectorprime.tumblr.com/post/628424089827246080/dear-vector-prime-what-does-the-word-roritchi Ask "Vector Prime" on Tumblr]
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			but the canonicity of this story is apparently nil:
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			[https://twitter.com/AskVectorPrime2/status/1298322137816731650/photo/1 Vector Prime on Vector Prime]
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			[[User:Greboguru\|Greboguru]] ([[User talk:Greboguru\|talk]]) 18:09, 1 July 2021 (EDT)

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Black Roritchi

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	2[New Latin, from Latin] : a hard protective case or shell (as of a rotifer)		2[New Latin, from Latin] : a hard protective case or shell (as of a rotifer)
	:ロリカ is not ロリッチ and that makes no sense for this character. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 00:31, 22 August 2020 (EDT)		:ロリカ is not ロリッチ and that makes no sense for this character. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 00:31, 22 August 2020 (EDT)

			Could his name be a combination of ''roll'' and ''sasori''? I have no idea how the characters would work but the thought came to me because he turns into a wheeled vehicle and is associated with Black Zarak, who turns into a scorpion (sasori in Japanese). The "itchi" part I don't know maybe it's just to make it sound more sci-fi. Sounds like Arms Micron logic now that I typed it out

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	:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)		:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
	::Presumably because it's a note that makes more sense than "we don't know what it means, maybe it's a reference to an American baseball player for some reason?" Pretty sure it wouldn't be the first time that we had notes about translation speculation on pages with difficult-to-translate names. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul\|talk]]) 05:50, 22 November 2024 (EST)		::Presumably because it's a note that makes more sense than "we don't know what it means, maybe it's a reference to an American baseball player for some reason?" Pretty sure it wouldn't be the first time that we had notes about translation speculation on pages with difficult-to-translate names. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul\|talk]]) 05:50, 22 November 2024 (EST)
			:::Those usually have better basis than whatever this Pepe Silvia thing is. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:32, 22 November 2024 (EST)

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	So... ''Wicked Fasttrack''? The prefix and suffix in ロリッチ can both mean cute-or-diminuitive as applied to snacks or cakes. Is he [[Rad White\|Wicked Sweet]]?-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] ([[User talk:Derik\|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2024 (EDT)		So... ''Wicked Fasttrack''? The prefix and suffix in ロリッチ can both mean cute-or-diminuitive as applied to snacks or cakes. Is he [[Rad White\|Wicked Sweet]]?-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] ([[User talk:Derik\|talk]]) 07:19, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
	:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)		:What does it matter? All of this is too speculative without an official source to back it up, and we're not renaming the page anyway. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 09:05, 8 October 2024 (EDT)
			::Presumably because it's a note that makes more sense than "we don't know what it means, maybe it's a reference to an American baseball player for some reason?" Pretty sure it wouldn't be the first time that we had notes about translation speculation on pages with difficult-to-translate names. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul\|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul\|talk]]) 05:50, 22 November 2024 (EST)