Talk:Bob Budiansky - Revision history

Charles RB at 00:16, 5 August 2009

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	::Well, this isn't something I care enough about to make a big deal about. Just thought it worth asking. Frankly, when I first read US issue #76, and saw Prime name Grimlock the leader, I thought "you idiots! Have you forgotten what happened last time?" When I realized that it was a different author doing this, I figured (at the time) that he just wasn't paying attention to what had happened before. Now, years later, that I know that Furman was the UK editor and writer through that whole period, I don't suspect ignorance. Still, I'm not sure I see Furman's and Budiansky's Grimlocks as all that similar, ''other'' than the fact that they're both "anti-heroes."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		::Well, this isn't something I care enough about to make a big deal about. Just thought it worth asking. Frankly, when I first read US issue #76, and saw Prime name Grimlock the leader, I thought "you idiots! Have you forgotten what happened last time?" When I realized that it was a different author doing this, I figured (at the time) that he just wasn't paying attention to what had happened before. Now, years later, that I know that Furman was the UK editor and writer through that whole period, I don't suspect ignorance. Still, I'm not sure I see Furman's and Budiansky's Grimlocks as all that similar, ''other'' than the fact that they're both "anti-heroes."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)


			=="First known interview"==
			Having just added that link, I'm now wondering: ''is'' that the first fandom interview done with him? He mentions "occasional interviews" in it, so are there older ones that I just don't know about? (Declaration of interest: I did that interview when I was years younger and as far as ''I'' knew nobody had done it before, but then at the time I didn't check that thoroughly.) -- [[User:Charles RB\|Charles RB]] 01:15, 5 Auugust 2009 (GMT)

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	:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course that Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course that Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

	::Well, this isn't something I care enough about to make a big deal about. Just thought it worth asking. Frankly, when I first read US issue #76, and saw Prime name Grimlock the leader, I thought "you idiots! Have you forgotten what happened last time?" When I realized that it was a different author doing this, I figured (at the time) that he just wasn't paying attention to what had happened before. Now, years later, that I know that Furman was the UK editor and writer through that whole period, I don't suspect ignorance. Still, I'm not sure I see Furman's and Budiansky's Grimlocks as all that similar, ''other'' than the fact that they're both "anti-heroes."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		::Well, this isn't something I care enough about to make a big deal about. Just thought it worth asking. Frankly, when I first read US issue #76, and saw Prime name Grimlock the leader, I thought "you idiots! Have you forgotten what happened last time?" When I realized that it was a different author doing this, I figured (at the time) that he just wasn't paying attention to what had happened before. Now, years later, that I know that Furman was the UK editor and writer through that whole period, I don't suspect ignorance. Still, I'm not sure I see Furman's and Budiansky's Grimlocks as all that similar, ''other'' than the fact that they're both "anti-heroes."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

Salt-Man Z: /* Transformers Comics Credits */ timestamp

2006-11-09T03:45:29Z

Transformers Comics Credits: timestamp

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	:I've started a small section for Bob's cover art credits. I know he did the covers for issue #s 47 & 55, but he may have done some more that I'm forgetting. --[[User:Salt-Man Z\|Salt-Man Z]] 21:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)		:I've started a small section for Bob's cover art credits. I know he did the covers for issue #s 47 & 55, but he may have done some more that I'm forgetting. --[[User:Salt-Man Z\|Salt-Man Z]] 21:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

	::Do your own research, Chris! Okay. Looks like issues 14, 29, 31, 45, 47. (I was wrong about #55.) Article updated.		::Do your own research, Chris! Okay. Looks like issues 14, 29, 31, 45, 47. (I was wrong about #55.) Article updated. --[[User:Salt-Man Z\|Salt-Man Z]] 03:45, 9 November 2006 (UTC)

	==Grimlock==		==Grimlock==

Salt-Man Z: answering my own question

2006-11-09T03:44:48Z

answering my own question

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	I've taken the liberty of adding a sub-section called "Transformers Comics Credits." The main reason for this is to enable us to provide information on artists, letterers, etc., when further biographical data will no doubt prove difficult or impossible to provide. At least we can provide a full accounting of which issues they were responsible for! Please feel free to suggest changes to the template. I won't be doing any other entries with this for a little bit, at least.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		I've taken the liberty of adding a sub-section called "Transformers Comics Credits." The main reason for this is to enable us to provide information on artists, letterers, etc., when further biographical data will no doubt prove difficult or impossible to provide. At least we can provide a full accounting of which issues they were responsible for! Please feel free to suggest changes to the template. I won't be doing any other entries with this for a little bit, at least.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

	:I've started a small section for Bob's cover art credits. I know he did the covers for issue #s 47 & 55, but he may have done some more that I'm forgetting. --[[User:Salt-Man Z\|Salt-Man Z]] 21:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)		:I've started a small section for Bob's cover art credits. I know he did the covers for issue #s 47 & 55, but he may have done some more that I'm forgetting. --[[User:Salt-Man Z\|Salt-Man Z]] 21:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

			::Do your own research, Chris! Okay. Looks like issues 14, 29, 31, 45, 47. (I was wrong about #55.) Article updated.

	==Grimlock==		==Grimlock==

Salt-Man Z: Bob's cover art credits

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Bob's cover art credits

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	==Transformers Comics Credits==		==Transformers Comics Credits==
	I've taken the liberty of adding a sub-section called "Transformers Comics Credits." The main reason for this is to enable us to provide information on artists, letterers, etc., when further biographical data will no doubt prove difficult or impossible to provide. At least we can provide a full accounting of which issues they were responsible for! Please feel free to suggest changes to the template. I won't be doing any other entries with this for a little bit, at least.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		I've taken the liberty of adding a sub-section called "Transformers Comics Credits." The main reason for this is to enable us to provide information on artists, letterers, etc., when further biographical data will no doubt prove difficult or impossible to provide. At least we can provide a full accounting of which issues they were responsible for! Please feel free to suggest changes to the template. I won't be doing any other entries with this for a little bit, at least.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 03:58, 18 April 2006 (UTC)
			:I've started a small section for Bob's cover art credits. I know he did the covers for issue #s 47 & 55, but he may have done some more that I'm forgetting. --[[User:Salt-Man Z\|Salt-Man Z]] 21:42, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

	==Grimlock==		==Grimlock==

G.B. Blackrock: /* Grimlock */

2006-04-18T20:21:15Z

Grimlock

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	: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

	:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course that Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course that Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

			::Well, this isn't something I care enough about to make a big deal about. Just thought it worth asking. Frankly, when I first read US issue #76, and saw Prime name Grimlock the leader, I thought "you idiots! Have you forgotten what happened last time?" When I realized that it was a different author doing this, I figured (at the time) that he just wasn't paying attention to what had happened before. Now, years later, that I know that Furman was the UK editor and writer through that whole period, I don't suspect ignorance. Still, I'm not sure I see Furman's and Budiansky's Grimlocks as all that similar, ''other'' than the fact that they're both "anti-heroes."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Tribimat: typo

2006-04-18T17:13:13Z

typo

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	: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

	:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course ~~in as far as~~ Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course that Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Tribimat: Early Furman Grimlock

2006-04-18T17:12:30Z

Early Furman Grimlock

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	How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent than the cartoon version, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent than the cartoon version, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

	: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

			:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course in as far as Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

ItsWalky at 16:42, 18 April 2006

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	How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent than the cartoon version, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent than the cartoon version, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

			: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

G.B. Blackrock at 14:14, 18 April 2006

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	How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent than the cartoon version, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

	:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course that Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course that Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

			::Well, this isn't something I care enough about to make a big deal about. Just thought it worth asking. Frankly, when I first read US issue #76, and saw Prime name Grimlock the leader, I thought "you idiots! Have you forgotten what happened last time?" When I realized that it was a different author doing this, I figured (at the time) that he just wasn't paying attention to what had happened before. Now, years later, that I know that Furman was the UK editor and writer through that whole period, I don't suspect ignorance. Still, I'm not sure I see Furman's and Budiansky's Grimlocks as all that similar, ''other'' than the fact that they're both "anti-heroes."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 20:21, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent than the cartoon version, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)		How much can we say that Budiansky made Grimlock "into the (role he's) famous for today"? Budiansky used none of the speech pattern Grimlock's famous for, and didn't use him anything like as much as Furman. It is true, of course, that Budiansky's Grimlock was far more intelligent than the cartoon version, and Grimlock's first (failed?) tenure as Autobot leader was all Budiansky. Anyway, I just thought I'd throw the question out there.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 14:13, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

	: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		: Other than the lack of a speech impediment, Budiansky's Grimlock is pretty much Furman's Grimlock, I maintain. He hates Autobots, he hates Optimus Prime, and he's big and powerful, but not really liked by his peers. He was the first Autobot anti-hero, and Budiansky put him there. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 16:42, 18 April 2006 (UTC)

			:: Furman's interest in Grimlock dates back to the 'Wrath of Guardian / Wrath of Grimlock' story in UK #31-32, which precedes all but the first of Budiansky's Dinobots stories (ie US #8). He's recognisably the Furmanian Grimlock in these stories, though he speaks normally. I'd say that Budiansky and Furman were inspired by the character in a similar way, rather than one influencing the other (except of course in as far as Furman was obliged to take Budiansky's characterisation into account). But Furman would never have had all that nonsense with crowns.--[[User:Tribimat\|Tribimat]] 17:12, 18 April 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>