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Saix: /* Fisitronisms */

2023-08-16T22:07:12Z

Fisitronisms

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	Is it worth mentioning the obvious reference to Furmanisms, both within the Wreckers: Declassified excerpt at the start and the one at the end? It feels like a piece of trivia worth nothing but, since it hasn't been so far, I don't want to be presumptuous and just add it myself. [[User:ALEXAN2507\|ALEXAN2507]] ([[User talk:ALEXAN2507\|talk]]) 17:24, 16 August 2023 (EDT)		Is it worth mentioning the obvious reference to Furmanisms, both within the Wreckers: Declassified excerpt at the start and the one at the end? It feels like a piece of trivia worth nothing but, since it hasn't been so far, I don't want to be presumptuous and just add it myself. [[User:ALEXAN2507\|ALEXAN2507]] ([[User talk:ALEXAN2507\|talk]]) 17:24, 16 August 2023 (EDT)
			:[[Fisitronism]] mentions it already, although it wouldn't hurt to have it noted here too. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 18:07, 16 August 2023 (EDT)

ALEXAN2507: /* Fisitronisms */

2023-08-16T21:24:36Z

Fisitronisms

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	== Fisitronisms ==		== Fisitronisms ==

	Is it worth mentioning the obvious reference to Furmanisms, both within the Wreckers: Declassified excerpt at the start and the one at the end? It feels like a piece of trivia worth nothing but, since it hasn't been so far, I don't want to be presumptuous and just add it myself		Is it worth mentioning the obvious reference to Furmanisms, both within the Wreckers: Declassified excerpt at the start and the one at the end? It feels like a piece of trivia worth nothing but, since it hasn't been so far, I don't want to be presumptuous and just add it myself. [[User:ALEXAN2507\|ALEXAN2507]] ([[User talk:ALEXAN2507\|talk]]) 17:24, 16 August 2023 (EDT)

ALEXAN2507: /* Fisitronisms */ new section

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Fisitronisms: new section

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	It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? [[User:Shafau\|Shafau]] 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)		It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? [[User:Shafau\|Shafau]] 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)
	: Yep. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:39, 2 March 2012 (EST)		: Yep. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:39, 2 March 2012 (EST)

			== Fisitronisms ==

			Is it worth mentioning the obvious reference to Furmanisms, both within the Wreckers: Declassified excerpt at the start and the one at the end? It feels like a piece of trivia worth nothing but, since it hasn't been so far, I don't want to be presumptuous and just add it myself

Saix: /* Roulette (G1) */clean up, replaced: [[Fasttrack (Scorponok) → [[Fasttrack (G1)

2020-06-19T22:38:59Z

Roulette (G1): clean up, replaced: [[Fasttrack (Scorponok) → [[Fasttrack (G1)

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	==Roulette (G1)==		==Roulette (G1)==
	If we're creating a page on the new Roulette, we create it at [[Roulette (G1)]], not Roulette (IDW). Why? Because we disambiguate by Franchise-of-Origin. There are no conflicts between the two Roulettes, franchise-of-origin-wise, so there's absolutely no reason to disambiguate the new Roulette by publisher. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		If we're creating a page on the new Roulette, we create it at [[Roulette (G1)]], not Roulette (IDW). Why? Because we disambiguate by Franchise-of-Origin. There are no conflicts between the two Roulettes, franchise-of-origin-wise, so there's absolutely no reason to disambiguate the new Roulette by publisher. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:I guess I'm confused how this works. I thought we wouldn't use (G1) as an identifier if both characters are from Generation 1 continuity. We differentiated ''[[Fasttrack (IDW)]]'' and ''[[Fasttrack (Scorponok)]]'', for instance. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:08, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:I guess I'm confused how this works. I thought we wouldn't use (G1) as an identifier if both characters are from Generation 1 continuity. We differentiated ''[[Fasttrack (IDW)]]'' and ''[[Fasttrack (G1)\|Fasttrack (Scorponok)]]'', for instance. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:08, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

Saix: /* Roulette */clean up, replaced: IDW Generation 1 continuity → 2005 IDW continuity

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Roulette: clean up, replaced: IDW Generation 1 continuity → 2005 IDW continuity

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	::Well, I sincerely doubt the presence of the head would deter a doctor from being able to tell the robot's "gender". --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 20:59, 15 September 2010 (EDT)		::Well, I sincerely doubt the presence of the head would deter a doctor from being able to tell the robot's "gender". --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 20:59, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::Considering you had to put it in quotations...--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 21:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)		:::Considering you had to put it in quotations...--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 21:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::I also think a doctor would know. Besides, she is from the Beast Era. The [[IDW ~~Generation 1~~ continuity]] doesn't have a Beast Era, as far as we know. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 01:04, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		::::I also think a doctor would know. Besides, she is from the Beast Era. The [[2005 IDW continuity]] doesn't have a Beast Era, as far as we know. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 01:04, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::Her character is retroactively from the Great War/G1. rethinks-previous-statementYou know, this version of Roulette could easily be a dude, if Jhiaxus or whoever hadn't made him into a her. I forgot about that little detail about IDW continuity's females. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:11, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::Her character is retroactively from the Great War/G1. rethinks-previous-statementYou know, this version of Roulette could easily be a dude, if Jhiaxus or whoever hadn't made him into a her. I forgot about that little detail about IDW continuity's females. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:11, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::::Heh heh, yeah. It depends on how the "female genome" is spread, I guess. Maybe later Roulette realizes he was meant to be a she all along. (There's probably a weird but interesting story in there somewhere.) [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 06:35, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		::::::Heh heh, yeah. It depends on how the "female genome" is spread, I guess. Maybe later Roulette realizes he was meant to be a she all along. (There's probably a weird but interesting story in there somewhere.) [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 06:35, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Saix: clean up, replaced: → (29), * → *, Ambulon (G1) → Ambulon

2016-03-12T19:42:32Z

clean up, replaced: → (29), * → *, Ambulon (G1) → Ambulon

Saix at 01:32, 8 February 2016

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	:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::So Fasttrack is like that because both IDW comics and 1987 toys are released under the G1 franchise. ''Universe'' is in the G1 continuity, but is a separate franchise label, and therefore "not G1". Like ''[[Dropshot (G1)]]'' and ''[[Dropshot (Universe)]]''. Okay...I think i get it. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::So Fasttrack is like that because both IDW comics and 1987 toys are released under the G1 franchise. ''Universe'' is in the G1 continuity, but is a separate franchise label, and therefore "not G1". Like ''[[Dropshot (G1)]]'' and ''Dropshot (Universe)''. Okay...I think i get it. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	::::Exactly. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:54, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		::::Exactly. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:54, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

Abates: /* Related pages */

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	Bunch of new pages need to be made for this story. The list on ''[[Talk:Withered Hope\|Withered Hope]]'' helped me out, so...		Bunch of new pages need to be made for this story. The list on ''[[Talk:Withered Hope\|Withered Hope]]'' helped me out, so...

	Characters: [[Pharma]], [[Roulette (G1)]], [[Ambulon]], [[Schema]], [[Dodger]], [[Animus]], [[Gideon]], [[Tripwire (G1)\|Tripwire]], [[Tremorcon]] ([[Seizor]], [[Aftershock (G1)]], [[Fracture (G1)]], [[Tectonix]]), [[Agent 113]], [[Crest]], [[Hyperion (G1)]], [[Kaput]], [[Jetstream]], [[Atomizer]], [[Calculus]], [[Violator]], [[Heliobot]]		Characters: [[Pharma (G1)]], [[Roulette (G1)]], [[Ambulon (G1)]], [[Schema]], [[Dodger]], [[Animus]], [[Gideon]], [[Tripwire (G1)\|Tripwire]], [[Tremorcon]] ([[Seizor]], [[Aftershock (G1)]], [[Fracture (G1)]], [[Tectonix]]), [[Agent 113]], [[Crest]], [[Hyperion (G1)]], [[Kaput]], [[Jetstream]], [[Atomizer]], [[Calculus]], [[Violator]], [[Heliobot]]

	Locations: [[Delphi]] on [[Messatine]], [[Babu Yar]], [[Hydrus 5]], [[Debris]] in orbit of Klo, [[Igue-Moor Fuel Depot]], The [[Exit Rooms]], [[Grindcore (prison)]], [[Karashi Delta]], [[Morobishi Canyons]]		Locations: [[Delphi]] on [[Messatine]], [[Babu Yar]], [[Hydrus 5]], [[Debris]] in orbit of Klo, [[Igue-Moor Fuel Depot]], The [[Exit Rooms]], [[Grindcore (prison)]], [[Karashi-Delta]], [[Morobishi Canyons]]

	Other: ''[[Pale Fire]]'', [[Decepticon Justice Division]], [[Survivor (Babu Yar)]], [[Room 113]], [[Ethics Committee]], [[Surge (event)]], [[Gideon's Glue]], [[Magnus Inquiry]], [[Non-Conventional Weapons Act]], [[Unmentionable]], [[Malevolent Counterintuitive Pathogen]], [[Operation: Retrieval]], <strike>Black phosphex</strike> (redirect to [[glass gas]]), [[Novic Medal for Outstanding Valor]], ''[[Fatal Consequence]]''		Other: ''[[Pale Fire]]'', [[Decepticon Justice Division]], [[Survivor (Babu Yar)]], [[Room 113]], [[Ethics Committee]], [[Surge (event)]], [[Gideon's Glue]], [[Magnus Inquiry]], [[Non-Conventional Weapons Act]], [[Unmentionable]], [[Malevolent Counterintuitive Pathogen]], [[Operation: Retrieval]], <strike>Black phosphex</strike> (redirect to [[glass gas]]), [[Novic Medal for Outstanding Valor]], ''[[Fatal Consequence]]''

ItsWalky: /* Minor changes in hardcover edition */

2012-03-02T17:39:21Z

Minor changes in hardcover edition

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	==Minor changes in hardcover edition==		==Minor changes in hardcover edition==
	It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? [[User:Shafau\|Shafau]] 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)		It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? [[User:Shafau\|Shafau]] 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)
			: Yep. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:39, 2 March 2012 (EST)

Shafau at 17:34, 2 March 2012

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	==The Number 113==		==The Number 113==
	In the UKTF issues, it's part one of "Wanted: Galvatron, Dead or Alive" - the first TF appearance of Death's Head, yes? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 07:02, 3 January 2011 (EST)		In the UKTF issues, it's part one of "Wanted: Galvatron, Dead or Alive" - the first TF appearance of Death's Head, yes? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 07:02, 3 January 2011 (EST)

			==Minor changes in hardcover edition==
			It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? [[User:Shafau\|Shafau]] 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)

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	==Roulette (G1)==		==Roulette (G1)==
	If we're creating a page on the new Roulette, we create it at [[Roulette (G1)]], not Roulette (IDW). Why? Because we disambiguate by Franchise-of-Origin. There are no conflicts between the two Roulettes, franchise-of-origin-wise, so there's absolutely no reason to disambiguate the new Roulette by publisher. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		If we're creating a page on the new Roulette, we create it at [[Roulette (G1)]], not Roulette (IDW). Why? Because we disambiguate by Franchise-of-Origin. There are no conflicts between the two Roulettes, franchise-of-origin-wise, so there's absolutely no reason to disambiguate the new Roulette by publisher. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:I guess I'm confused how this works. I thought we wouldn't use (G1) as an identifier if both characters are from Generation 1 continuity. We differentiated ''[[Fasttrack (IDW)]]'' and ''[[Fasttrack (Scorponok)]]'', for instance. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:08, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:I guess I'm confused how this works. I thought we wouldn't use (G1) as an identifier if both characters are from Generation 1 continuity. We differentiated ''[[Fasttrack (IDW)]]'' and ''[[Fasttrack (G1)\|Fasttrack (Scorponok)]]'', for instance. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:08, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

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	::Well, I sincerely doubt the presence of the head would deter a doctor from being able to tell the robot's "gender". --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 20:59, 15 September 2010 (EDT)		::Well, I sincerely doubt the presence of the head would deter a doctor from being able to tell the robot's "gender". --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 20:59, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::Considering you had to put it in quotations...--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 21:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)		:::Considering you had to put it in quotations...--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 21:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::I also think a doctor would know. Besides, she is from the Beast Era. The [[IDW ~~Generation 1~~ continuity]] doesn't have a Beast Era, as far as we know. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 01:04, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		::::I also think a doctor would know. Besides, she is from the Beast Era. The [[2005 IDW continuity]] doesn't have a Beast Era, as far as we know. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 01:04, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::Her character is retroactively from the Great War/G1. rethinks-previous-statementYou know, this version of Roulette could easily be a dude, if Jhiaxus or whoever hadn't made him into a her. I forgot about that little detail about IDW continuity's females. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:11, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::Her character is retroactively from the Great War/G1. rethinks-previous-statementYou know, this version of Roulette could easily be a dude, if Jhiaxus or whoever hadn't made him into a her. I forgot about that little detail about IDW continuity's females. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:11, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::::Heh heh, yeah. It depends on how the "female genome" is spread, I guess. Maybe later Roulette realizes he was meant to be a she all along. (There's probably a weird but interesting story in there somewhere.) [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 06:35, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		::::::Heh heh, yeah. It depends on how the "female genome" is spread, I guess. Maybe later Roulette realizes he was meant to be a she all along. (There's probably a weird but interesting story in there somewhere.) [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 06:35, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

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	:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::So Fasttrack is like that because both IDW comics and 1987 toys are released under the G1 franchise. ''Universe'' is in the G1 continuity, but is a separate franchise label, and therefore "not G1". Like ''[[Dropshot (G1)]]'' and ''[[Dropshot (Universe)]]''. Okay...I think i get it. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::So Fasttrack is like that because both IDW comics and 1987 toys are released under the G1 franchise. ''Universe'' is in the G1 continuity, but is a separate franchise label, and therefore "not G1". Like ''[[Dropshot (G1)]]'' and ''Dropshot (Universe)''. Okay...I think i get it. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	::::Exactly. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:54, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		::::Exactly. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:54, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

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	I seem to remember First Aid pegging Roulette as a male in this story, which might mean it's a different Roulette than the female one, obviously.{{unsigned\|Nu-Priest\|18:25, September 15, 2010 (EDT)}}		I seem to remember First Aid pegging Roulette as a male in this story, which might mean it's a different Roulette than the female one, obviously.{{unsigned\|Nu-Priest\|18:25, September 15, 2010 (EDT)}}
	:Might be presumptuous, but Roulette is a repaint of a male character, and all that's changed to make her a her is her head, which was missing from this Roulette. It's possible First Aid just didn't know/couldn't tell.--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 18:33, 15 September 2010 (EDT)		:Might be presumptuous, but Roulette is a repaint of a male character, and all that's changed to make her a her is her head, which was missing from this Roulette. It's possible First Aid just didn't know/couldn't tell.--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 18:33, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
	::Well, I sincerely doubt the presence of the head would deter a doctor from being able to tell the robot's "gender". --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 20:59, 15 September 2010 (EDT)		::Well, I sincerely doubt the presence of the head would deter a doctor from being able to tell the robot's "gender". --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 20:59, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::Considering you had to put it in quotations...--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 21:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)		:::Considering you had to put it in quotations...--[[User:Carrion\|Carrion]] 21:11, 15 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::I also think a doctor would know. Besides, she is from the Beast Era. The [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] doesn't have a Beast Era, as far as we know. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 01:04, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		::::I also think a doctor would know. Besides, she is from the Beast Era. The [[IDW Generation 1 continuity]] doesn't have a Beast Era, as far as we know. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 01:04, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::Her character is retroactively from the Great War/G1. rethinks-previous-statement You know, this version of Roulette could easily be a dude, if Jhiaxus or whoever hadn't made him into a her. I forgot about that little detail about IDW continuity's females. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:11, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::Her character is retroactively from the Great War/G1. rethinks-previous-statementYou know, this version of Roulette could easily be a dude, if Jhiaxus or whoever hadn't made him into a her. I forgot about that little detail about IDW continuity's females. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:11, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::::Heh heh, yeah. It depends on how the "female genome" is spread, I guess. Maybe later Roulette realizes he was meant to be a she all along. (There's probably a weird but interesting story in there somewhere.) [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 06:35, 16 September 2010 (EDT)		::::::Heh heh, yeah. It depends on how the "female genome" is spread, I guess. Maybe later Roulette realizes he was meant to be a she all along. (There's probably a weird but interesting story in there somewhere.) [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 06:35, 16 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::::If we're going to acknowledge Roulette exists in IDW continuity, I think the femmebot with the blatently copied color scheme from AHM #14 should get recognized. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 18:41, 17 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::::If we're going to acknowledge Roulette exists in IDW continuity, I think the femmebot with the blatently copied color scheme from AHM #14 should get recognized. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 18:41, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::::::...yeah, um, I don't think you've seen the two characters side-by-side. It's not the same color scheme. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:22, 17 September 2010 (EDT)		::::::::...yeah, um, I don't think you've seen the two characters side-by-side. It's not the same color scheme. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:22, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::::::I accept your challenge! I am now holding Universe #1 and AHM #14 side-by-side. Gold helmet, gray face, blue eyes, gold and gray chestplate, purple and gold on the legs, vehicle kibble on the thighs...uh, yeah. It's not an absolutely slavish recreation, but for comparing a Cybertronian mode to an Earth mode, I'd say it's a damn near perfect match. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 17 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::::::I accept your challenge! I am now holding Universe #1 and AHM #14 side-by-side. Gold helmet, gray face, blue eyes, gold and gray chestplate, purple and gold on the legs, vehicle kibble on the thighs...uh, yeah. It's not an absolutely slavish recreation, but for comparing a Cybertronian mode to an Earth mode, I'd say it's a damn near perfect match. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::::::::We've seen Roulette's Cybertronian mode! And the colors are all totally jumbled and in the wrong proportions. I would say the generic's color scheme is reminiscent of Roulette, but is absolutely not in any way Roulette-enough to be considered her. Much in the same way that the dude she's with is so totally not Side Burn, despite folks' claims. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 17 September 2010 (EDT)		::::::::::We've seen Roulette's Cybertronian mode! And the colors are all totally jumbled and in the wrong proportions. I would say the generic's color scheme is reminiscent of Roulette, but is absolutely not in any way Roulette-enough to be considered her. Much in the same way that the dude she's with is so totally not Side Burn, despite folks' claims. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:47, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::::::::We saw two modes for Roulette, before and after the Cauldron. Both had your standard Earth-like tires, and none of the Cybertronian sleekness or hover-stylings we've seen on other characters. Even if we had previously seen A Cybertronian mode for her, though, IDW has created numerous NEW Cybertronians designs for characters (Megatron, Ratbat, Blaster, Arcee, etc.). It's a female Cybertronian, in Roulette's ''basic'' color scheme, in a role close to Sunstreaker, whom she was connected with at her introduction. We've made positive IDs on far less than that before. Not acknowledging that femmebot as Roulette is one thing, but ignoring her AND saying this unseen, undescribed male Transformer IS her IDW counterpart just seems bizarre. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 22:41, 17 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::::::::We saw two modes for Roulette, before and after the Cauldron. Both had your standard Earth-like tires, and none of the Cybertronian sleekness or hover-stylings we've seen on other characters. Even if we had previously seen A Cybertronian mode for her, though, IDW has created numerous NEW Cybertronians designs for characters (Megatron, Ratbat, Blaster, Arcee, etc.). It's a female Cybertronian, in Roulette's ''basic'' color scheme, in a role close to Sunstreaker, whom she was connected with at her introduction. We've made positive IDs on far less than that before. Not acknowledging that femmebot as Roulette is one thing, but ignoring her AND saying this unseen, undescribed male Transformer IS her IDW counterpart just seems bizarre. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 22:41, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
	::::::::::::Maybe if the AHM female had Roulette's head... I mean, if we color a random guy <strike>like Wheeljack</strike> approximately sort of in Wheeljack's colors, does it make him Wheeljack? --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:44, 17 September 2010 (EDT)		::::::::::::Maybe if the AHM female had Roulette's head... I mean, if we color a random guy <strike>like Wheeljack</strike> approximately sort of in Wheeljack's colors, does it make him Wheeljack? --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:44, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::::::::::Wheeljack has possibly the most distinctive head in the history of Transformers, so that comparison doesn't really work -- Roulette is just another face-in-helmet variation. And again, the femmebot's helmet is ''approximately'' the same as Roulette's: length-wise cheek panels, "chin-strap", sloped ridge on the forehead, two points on top. Is every detail an artistically perfect recreation? No. But neither were IDW's Cybertronian mode Skram, or Road Rocket, or Primus-knows how many other redesigns. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 10:49, 18 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::::::::::Wheeljack has possibly the most distinctive head in the history of Transformers, so that comparison doesn't really work -- Roulette is just another face-in-helmet variation. And again, the femmebot's helmet is ''approximately'' the same as Roulette's: length-wise cheek panels, "chin-strap", sloped ridge on the forehead, two points on top. Is every detail an artistically perfect recreation? No. But neither were IDW's Cybertronian mode Skram, or Road Rocket, or Primus-knows how many other redesigns. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 10:49, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::::::::::Maybe someone should just flat-out ask James on the IDW board, he frequents it enough. I just think it's a case similar to "Wing" in Drift # 1. Cool name, randomly chosen. --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 22:33, 17 September 2010 (EDT)		:::::::::::Maybe someone should just flat-out ask James on the IDW board, he frequents it enough. I just think it's a case similar to "Wing" in Drift # 1. Cool name, randomly chosen. --[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 22:33, 17 September 2010 (EDT)

	Guys... are you seriously having an argument about bending over backwards to explain why a one-note male character should be the same character as a female from another universe? - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 11:10, 18 September 2010 (EDT)		Guys... are you seriously having an argument about bending over backwards to explain why a one-note male character should be the same character as a female from another universe? - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 11:10, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
	: I think we stopped talking about the Dude Roulette ages ago. Now we're talking about the girl-who-sorta-looks-like-Roulette-because-she-has-similarish-colors-but-a-different-head-which-we-will-ignore. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:25, 18 September 2010 (EDT)		: I think we stopped talking about the Dude Roulette ages ago. Now we're talking about the girl-who-sorta-looks-like-Roulette-because-she-has-similarish-colors-but-a-different-head-which-we-will-ignore. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:25, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
	::Basically, I'm arguing that if a femmebot clearly based on Roulette colors/appearance ISN'T her IDW counterpart, then a description-less text-only male TF who happens to share the same name shouldn't be Roulette's counterpart either. Ignoring the AHM femmebot is one thing; recognizing a character even LESS like Roulette in lieu of her is another. There should be a separate page for the dude-bot under Roulette (IDW) or Roulette (male) or something. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 12:03, 18 September 2010 (EDT)		::Basically, I'm arguing that if a femmebot clearly based on Roulette colors/appearance ISN'T her IDW counterpart, then a description-less text-only male TF who happens to share the same name shouldn't be Roulette's counterpart either. Ignoring the AHM femmebot is one thing; recognizing a character even LESS like Roulette in lieu of her is another. There should be a separate page for the dude-bot under Roulette (IDW) or Roulette (male) or something. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 12:03, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
	:::Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at from the get-go.--[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 13:15, 18 September 2010 (EDT)		:::Yeah, that's basically what I was getting at from the get-go.--[[User:Nu-Priest\|Nu-Priest]] 13:15, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
	:I'm confused-- is this the female from Sunstreaker's story? Because I assumed that was Airrazor. She's standing in front of Sideburn, we see someone I assume is Bulkhead in the same panel, and I assume the orange fellow behind her shoulder on the next page is Survive. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:13, 19 September 2010 (EDT)		:I'm confused-- is this the female from Sunstreaker's story? Because I assumed that was Airrazor. She's standing in front of Sideburn, we see someone I assume is Bulkhead in the same panel, and I assume the orange fellow behind her shoulder on the next page is Survive. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:13, 19 September 2010 (EDT)

	==Roulette (G1)==		==Roulette (G1)==
	If we're creating a page on the new Roulette, we create it at [[Roulette (G1)]], not Roulette (IDW). Why? Because we disambiguate by Franchise-of-Origin. There are no conflicts between the two Roulettes, franchise-of-origin-wise, so there's absolutely no reason to disambiguate the new Roulette by publisher. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		If we're creating a page on the new Roulette, we create it at [[Roulette (G1)]], not Roulette (IDW). Why? Because we disambiguate by Franchise-of-Origin. There are no conflicts between the two Roulettes, franchise-of-origin-wise, so there's absolutely no reason to disambiguate the new Roulette by publisher. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 13:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:I guess I'm confused how this works. I thought we wouldn't use (G1) as an identifier if both characters are from Generation 1 continuity. We differentiated ''[[Fasttrack (IDW)]]'' and ''[[Fasttrack (Scorponok)]]'', for instance. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:08, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:I guess I'm confused how this works. I thought we wouldn't use (G1) as an identifier if both characters are from Generation 1 continuity. We differentiated ''[[Fasttrack (IDW)]]'' and ''[[Fasttrack (Scorponok)]]'', for instance. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:08, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::"... from Generation 1 '''continuity'''" is where you make mistakes. We don't disambiguate by continuity. We disambiguate by franchise. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:49, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		::This is the sort of problem you get because G1 is both a franchise and a continuity family. Both characters are from the G1 confam, but only the new guy is from the G1 franchise. Personally, I would avoid using G1 in situations like this one. I'd limit G1 to those characters that truly are "G1", the ones that existed before there was anything else. But, policy is against me (and you). --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 14:27, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::So Fasttrack is like that because both IDW comics and 1987 toys are released under the G1 franchise. ''Universe'' is in the G1 continuity, but is a separate franchise label, and therefore "not G1". Like ''[[Dropshot (G1)]]'' and ''Dropshot (Universe)''. Okay...I think i get it. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)		:::So Fasttrack is like that because both IDW comics and 1987 toys are released under the G1 franchise. ''Universe'' is in the G1 continuity, but is a separate franchise label, and therefore "not G1". Like ''[[Dropshot (G1)]]'' and ''Dropshot (Universe)''. Okay...I think i get it. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 14:40, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
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	Bunch of new pages need to be made for this story. The list on ''[[Talk:Withered Hope\|Withered Hope]]'' helped me out, so...		Bunch of new pages need to be made for this story. The list on ''[[Talk:Withered Hope\|Withered Hope]]'' helped me out, so...

	Characters: [[Pharma (G1)]], [[Roulette (G1)]], [[Ambulon ~~(G1)~~]], [[Schema]], [[Dodger]], [[Animus]], [[Gideon]], [[Tripwire (G1)\|Tripwire]], [[Tremorcon]] ([[Seizor]], [[Aftershock (G1)]], [[Fracture (G1)]], [[Tectonix]]), [[Agent 113]], [[Crest]], [[Hyperion (G1)]], [[Kaput]], [[Jetstream]], [[Atomizer]], [[Calculus]], [[Violator]], [[Heliobot]]		Characters: [[Pharma (G1)]], [[Roulette (G1)]], [[Ambulon]], [[Schema]], [[Dodger]], [[Animus]], [[Gideon]], [[Tripwire (G1)\|Tripwire]], [[Tremorcon]] ([[Seizor]], [[Aftershock (G1)]], [[Fracture (G1)]], [[Tectonix]]), [[Agent 113]], [[Crest]], [[Hyperion (G1)]], [[Kaput]], [[Jetstream]], [[Atomizer]], [[Calculus]], [[Violator]], [[Heliobot]]

	Locations: [[Delphi]] on [[Messatine]], [[Babu Yar]], [[Hydrus 5]], [[Debris]] in orbit of Klo, [[Igue-Moor Fuel Depot]], The [[Exit Rooms]], [[Grindcore (prison)]], [[Karashi-Delta]], [[Morobishi Canyons]]		Locations: [[Delphi]] on [[Messatine]], [[Babu Yar]], [[Hydrus 5]], [[Debris]] in orbit of Klo, [[Igue-Moor Fuel Depot]], The [[Exit Rooms]], [[Grindcore (prison)]], [[Karashi-Delta]], [[Morobishi Canyons]]
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	==The Number 113==		==The Number 113==
	In the UKTF issues, it's part one of "Wanted: Galvatron, Dead or Alive" - the first TF appearance of Death's Head, yes? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 07:02, 3 January 2011 (EST)		In the UKTF issues, it's part one of "Wanted: Galvatron, Dead or Alive" - the first TF appearance of Death's Head, yes? [[User:Hooper X\|-hx]] 07:02, 3 January 2011 (EST)

	==Minor changes in hardcover edition==		==Minor changes in hardcover edition==
	It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? [[User:Shafau\|Shafau]] 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)		It looks like the story's had some minor rework in the new hardcover edition of Wreckers - is it worth adding this to the notes section? [[User:Shafau\|Shafau]] 12:34, 2 March 2012 (EST)
	: Yep. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:39, 2 March 2012 (EST)		: Yep. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:39, 2 March 2012 (EST)