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Sabrblade: /* Generations sublines */

2020-09-25T00:56:52Z

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	::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listed with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listed with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
			::::Oh, yes, Thrilling 30 absolutely shouldn't be listed as its own separate thing. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

Chris McFeely: /* Generations sublines */

2020-09-24T19:32:08Z

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	:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is ~~listing~~ with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listed with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

Chris McFeely: /* Generations sublines */

2020-09-24T19:31:41Z

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	:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
			:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listing with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* Generations sublines */

2020-09-24T17:23:32Z

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	Why are we listing the Generations sublines separately here? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 08:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		Why are we listing the Generations sublines separately here? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 08:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
			::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

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2020-09-24T14:26:33Z

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	Why are we listing the Generations sublines separately here? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 08:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		Why are we listing the Generations sublines separately here? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 08:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
			:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* Generations sublines */ new section

2020-09-24T12:28:29Z

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	[[User:ShootingStar7X\|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X\|talk]]) 15:20, 4 August 2018 (EDT)		[[User:ShootingStar7X\|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X\|talk]]) 15:20, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

			== Generations sublines ==

			Why are we listing the Generations sublines separately here? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 08:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

ShootingStar7X: /* Authentics section */ new section

2018-08-04T19:20:22Z

Authentics section: new section

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	:*Jazz - not explicitly a member of a combiner team, compare to RTS jazz		:*Jazz - not explicitly a member of a combiner team, compare to RTS jazz
	:I debated how many Decepticons, if any, to include, but settled on just Starscream. Anyway, that was my reasoning. I definitely feel like sticking to one figure per line is the way to go, but as to what figure that is there's probably room for improvement here. [[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 12:43, 14 February 2018 (EST)		:I debated how many Decepticons, if any, to include, but settled on just Starscream. Anyway, that was my reasoning. I definitely feel like sticking to one figure per line is the way to go, but as to what figure that is there's probably room for improvement here. [[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 12:43, 14 February 2018 (EST)

			== Authentics section ==

			"''Evergreen'' is a generic brand of sorts made for merchandise and budget markets, featuring designs strongly influenced by the original Generation 1 versions of the most prominent Transformers characters. Its compatibility with CHUG is often debated, as most toys do have relatively rudimentary engineering in comparison to the more intricate figures released under the Generations label, but the G1-based designs of characters like [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Authentics\|Megatron]] and [[Shockwave (G1)/toys#Cyber Series\|Shockwave]], coupled with the fact that they generally scale well enough with regular CHUG figures and might provide a solid basis for [[Customizing\|customization]], has resulted in some of them being surprisingly desirable for collectors. The [[Starscream (G1)/toys#Power of the Primes\|Power of the Primes version of Starscream]] is also directly based on his ''Evergreen'' design."

			This sentence doesn't make much sense, and I think it should be rewritten.

			*Why is the Evergreen brand considered a toyline even though it's just a term for the current aesthetic of franchise-less Transformers merchandise?

			*It seems like this sentence is claiming that the [[Transformers: Generations#Cyber Battalion Series\|Cyber Series]] is part of the Evergreen brand, when it's not.

			*Outside of possibly the small Bumblebee and large Optimus Prime and Grimlock, Authentics figures don't really "scale well enough with regular CHUG figures". The small Optimus, Megatron, and Starscream figures ''would'' fit decently into a Legends-scale CHUG collection. If this part is talking about the Cyber Series, then only Bumblebee, Prowl, and Sideswipe wouldn't fit into a CHUG collection scale-wise, since most car-bots in CHUG are Deluxe Class.

			*About the "solid basis for customization" part, I have yet to see a customized Authentics figure, and if it is talking about the Cyber Series, most customs I've seen for that line are just knee articulation mods for Starscream and Shockwave.

			[[User:ShootingStar7X\|ShootingStar7X]] ([[User talk:ShootingStar7X\|talk]]) 15:20, 4 August 2018 (EDT)

The Wadapan: /* Representative toy gallery */

2018-02-14T17:43:11Z

Representative toy gallery

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	Is the repetition of characters here intentional? Is it meant to show some aspect of the concept? Or should we use a different character for each toyline? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 12:25, 14 February 2018 (EST)		Is the repetition of characters here intentional? Is it meant to show some aspect of the concept? Or should we use a different character for each toyline? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 12:25, 14 February 2018 (EST)
			:When I put the gallery together, my intention was to use different versions of the same character to better illustrate differences between the lines. This seemed most relevant between the Hasbro/Takara versions but I felt like including PotP Jazz too for a comparison. My logic went something like this:
			:*Starscream - probably the most iconic CHUG mold
			:*Sunstreaker - yellow colour is a bit different, seemed like a "solid figure" from the line
			:*Drift - references the increasing importance placed on IDW and that characters from outside of G1 are occasionally included
			:*Jazz - I think widely considered the best CHUG Autobot Cars mold?
			:*Springer - not a deluxe like all the others, has a third mode, best-received figure of his line
			:*Defensor - a combiner that isn't made up of just cars or planes that also neatly shows the different design methodology between CW and UW (re: Groove)
			:*Hardhead - wave 1 autobot that was always a headmaster
			:*Jazz - not explicitly a member of a combiner team, compare to RTS jazz
			:I debated how many Decepticons, if any, to include, but settled on just Starscream. Anyway, that was my reasoning. I definitely feel like sticking to one figure per line is the way to go, but as to what figure that is there's probably room for improvement here. [[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 12:43, 14 February 2018 (EST)

Khajidha: /* Representative toy gallery */ new section

2018-02-14T17:25:48Z

Representative toy gallery: new section

New page

== Representative toy gallery ==

Is the repetition of characters here intentional? Is it meant to show some aspect of the concept? Or should we use a different character for each toyline? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha|talk]]) 12:25, 14 February 2018 (EST)

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	::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listed with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listed with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
			::::Oh, yes, Thrilling 30 absolutely shouldn't be listed as its own separate thing. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 20:56, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

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	:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is ~~listing~~ with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listed with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

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	:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
			:::Even if we take the line that the Prime Wars and WFC Trilogies are "separate" from Generations, we could still ask why "Thrilling 30" is listing with its own separate sub-header here, and why we couldn't just group CW, TR, POTP under one "Prime Wars Trilogy" heading, and the same for WFC, purely to reduce unnecessary clutter on a page that doesn't require this level of specificity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:31, 24 September 2020 (EDT)

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	Why are we listing the Generations sublines separately here? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 08:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		Why are we listing the Generations sublines separately here? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 08:28, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
	:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)		:Generations pretty much ceased to be its own line following its Thrilling 30 subline and has, beginning with Combiner Wars, instead switched to being a category that refers to a certain type of figures that use a particular level of engineering and are divided into the traditional size class system (as in, what have been taken for granted as "normal" Transformers toys since Beast Wars). This was first seen when all of the "normal" TF toys in the Age of Extinction line were labeled "Generations" while all of the simpler "non-normal" toys were labeled "Robots in Disguise". Then, the entire Prime Wars Trilogy dropped the "Transformers: Generations" logo in favor of new individualized logos that emphasized the name of each part of the trilogy while relegating the "Generations" name to a new tiny logo hidden away in the corner of the packaging, downplaying its own emphasis since it was no longer a part of the line's title. It wasn't "Transformers: Generations - Combiner Wars" as we initially believed, but with hindsight we now see that it was just "Transformers: Combiner Wars". This trend continued into Titans Return and Power of the Primes, and continues further into the War For Cybertron Trilogy with Siege, Earthrise, and Kingdom. Likewise, Studio Series is also under the same Generations label, with its figures being of the same engineering quality and size class system, while Robots in Disguise 2015 and Cyberverse are not since both mainly had simpler toys and/or non-traditional systems of size classes. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 10:26, 24 September 2020 (EDT)
			::I guess I just see it as Generations is still the toyline and the War For Cybertron or whatever is just the current storyline promotion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:23, 24 September 2020 (EDT)