Talk:Carnivac (AOE) - Revision history

Saix at 15:38, 24 March 2023

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	:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)		:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)
	::::My understanding is that they're not part of the AOE toyline, they're given generic ''Transformers'' branding like many similar campaign items. I think previous campaign items, such as the updated Targetmasters using PCC molds, also used totally arbitrary contemporary toys for the purposes of stock photo demonstration, and similarly were updates of older characters informed by whichever molds hadn't been used in Japan at the time. Something you see in stuff like the '' Adventure'' line as well. If someone wants to chime in and correct me, please do, I can't doublecheck this stuff for myself currently. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 20:29, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::::My understanding is that they're not part of the AOE toyline, they're given generic ''Transformers'' branding like many similar campaign items. I think previous campaign items, such as the updated Targetmasters using PCC molds, also used totally arbitrary contemporary toys for the purposes of stock photo demonstration, and similarly were updates of older characters informed by whichever molds hadn't been used in Japan at the time. Something you see in stuff like the '' Adventure'' line as well. If someone wants to chime in and correct me, please do, I can't doublecheck this stuff for myself currently. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 20:29, 12 February 2023 (EST)
			:::::The Clear Micron campaign guys were clearly just thought to be the same characters (or derivatives), but in clear plastic. Splitting them out again to make one-sentence intro articles is pointless. Carnivac here isn't related; he's a separate campaign based on the movie having Wolves/Steeljaws and a clear nameslap unrelated to the original character beyond being a wolf. Same for the Dinobot Microns who exist solely because AOE had the Dinobots and are based on those movie characters. Astrotrain is bit of a tossup, since he comes off as a nameslap too, but isn't really related to anything in the movie. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:38, 24 March 2023 (EDT)

The Wadapan at 01:29, 13 February 2023

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	::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)
	:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)		:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)
			::::My understanding is that they're not part of the AOE toyline, they're given generic ''Transformers'' branding like many similar campaign items. I think previous campaign items, such as the updated Targetmasters using PCC molds, also used totally arbitrary contemporary toys for the purposes of stock photo demonstration, and similarly were updates of older characters informed by whichever molds hadn't been used in Japan at the time. Something you see in stuff like the '' Adventure'' line as well. If someone wants to chime in and correct me, please do, I can't doublecheck this stuff for myself currently. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 20:29, 12 February 2023 (EST)

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	:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)		:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)
	::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)
	:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)		:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)

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	:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)		:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)
	::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)
			:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)

The Wadapan at 16:40, 12 February 2023

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	I would think that if TakTom intended this to be G1 Carnivac they'd have made literally any attempt whatsoever to match the G1 character's color scheme, instead of making him look like a Steeljaw from the AOE movie. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:34, 11 February 2023 (EST)		I would think that if TakTom intended this to be G1 Carnivac they'd have made literally any attempt whatsoever to match the G1 character's color scheme, instead of making him look like a Steeljaw from the AOE movie. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:34, 11 February 2023 (EST)
	:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)		:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)
			::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)

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	I would think that if TakTom intended this to be G1 Carnivac they'd have made literally any attempt whatsoever to match the G1 character's color scheme, instead of making him look like a Steeljaw from the AOE movie. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:34, 11 February 2023 (EST)		I would think that if TakTom intended this to be G1 Carnivac they'd have made literally any attempt whatsoever to match the G1 character's color scheme, instead of making him look like a Steeljaw from the AOE movie. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:34, 11 February 2023 (EST)
			:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)

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I would think that if TakTom intended this to be G1 Carnivac they'd have made literally any attempt whatsoever to match the G1 character's color scheme, instead of making him look like a Steeljaw from the AOE movie. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 18:34, 11 February 2023 (EST)

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	:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)		:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)
	::::My understanding is that they're not part of the AOE toyline, they're given generic ''Transformers'' branding like many similar campaign items. I think previous campaign items, such as the updated Targetmasters using PCC molds, also used totally arbitrary contemporary toys for the purposes of stock photo demonstration, and similarly were updates of older characters informed by whichever molds hadn't been used in Japan at the time. Something you see in stuff like the '' Adventure'' line as well. If someone wants to chime in and correct me, please do, I can't doublecheck this stuff for myself currently. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 20:29, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::::My understanding is that they're not part of the AOE toyline, they're given generic ''Transformers'' branding like many similar campaign items. I think previous campaign items, such as the updated Targetmasters using PCC molds, also used totally arbitrary contemporary toys for the purposes of stock photo demonstration, and similarly were updates of older characters informed by whichever molds hadn't been used in Japan at the time. Something you see in stuff like the '' Adventure'' line as well. If someone wants to chime in and correct me, please do, I can't doublecheck this stuff for myself currently. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 20:29, 12 February 2023 (EST)
			:::::The Clear Micron campaign guys were clearly just thought to be the same characters (or derivatives), but in clear plastic. Splitting them out again to make one-sentence intro articles is pointless. Carnivac here isn't related; he's a separate campaign based on the movie having Wolves/Steeljaws and a clear nameslap unrelated to the original character beyond being a wolf. Same for the Dinobot Microns who exist solely because AOE had the Dinobots and are based on those movie characters. Astrotrain is bit of a tossup, since he comes off as a nameslap too, but isn't really related to anything in the movie. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 11:38, 24 March 2023 (EDT)

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	::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)
	:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)		:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)
			::::My understanding is that they're not part of the AOE toyline, they're given generic ''Transformers'' branding like many similar campaign items. I think previous campaign items, such as the updated Targetmasters using PCC molds, also used totally arbitrary contemporary toys for the purposes of stock photo demonstration, and similarly were updates of older characters informed by whichever molds hadn't been used in Japan at the time. Something you see in stuff like the '' Adventure'' line as well. If someone wants to chime in and correct me, please do, I can't doublecheck this stuff for myself currently. --[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 20:29, 12 February 2023 (EST)

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	:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)		:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)
	::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)
	:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)		:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. As for Astrotrain...the stock photography has him being held by a movie guy. Not to overanalyze or anything but I feel like if TakTom had in mind that he was the G1 guy they wouldn't have done that. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)

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	:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)		:Pretty sure this was discussed back at the time when all those other AOE little promo toys (Jolt, Buzz Saw) et al and that was the conclusion that everyone reached; that it's basically just a nameslap rather than something intentionally being the G1 guy. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 19:35, 11 February 2023 (EST)
	::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)		::Yeah, the only "evidence" towards merging it with the others is that the other characters from that ''Lost Age'' batch of [[campaign item]]s are based on existing characters, and [[Sling (AOE)]] is just as much a nameslap. I'm not convinced there's anything more to tie it to [[Steeljaw (AOE)]] than [[Carnivac (G1)]]—they're both gray wolves—but particularly looking at this new photo I think it'd be a leap to merge. That said, there definitely needs to be consistency in how we're labelling the continuity families on these guys; is it unknown, per [[Beet-Chop]], or AOE, per [[Ivan]]? The argument in the latter case was that he's based on ''Age of Extinction'' Grimlock. Obviously this ties into [[Transformers Wiki talk:Community Portal#The (BWU) tag\|what I've been talking about on the community portal]]. See also [[Talk:Astrotrain (DOTM)]], that one I think is definitely in the wrong place. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 11:40, 12 February 2023 (EST)
			:::I mean, if you ask me, I think merging that stuff was always borderline questionable; they're part of the AOE toyline, the only real thing that had any grounds for merging was that Legends, the series that isn't really bound by anything, had Buzz Saw as Waspinator's son, otherwise it's just fictionless entities. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:23, 12 February 2023 (EST)