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		<title>Apoc at 08:16, 24 May 2013</title>
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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;Cause that contradicts Megatron&amp;#039;s recollections of their first meeting being at [[Sherma Bridge]]. By that point they&amp;#039;re both commanding armies in open warfare - it HAS to be well after the events of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. It seems unlikely that Megatron could possibly forget allying with Orion and later turning on him, and then having him march on him with an army, then throwing down with him.... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;Cause that contradicts Megatron&amp;#039;s recollections of their first meeting being at [[Sherma Bridge]]. By that point they&amp;#039;re both commanding armies in open warfare - it HAS to be well after the events of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. It seems unlikely that Megatron could possibly forget allying with Orion and later turning on him, and then having him march on him with an army, then throwing down with him.... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Yeah, I think we probably just have to consider the notion of Sherma Bridge being their first post-Chaos Theory meeting retconned. I mean, it&amp;#039;s not the only previous fiction &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039; overwrote - it also contradicted the notion from &amp;#039;Bullets&amp;#039; and MTMTE #3 that Megatron assassinated Zeta Prime with a sniper rifle, not by sticking a fusion cannon under his chin. The MTMTE #3 flashback isn&amp;#039;t as specific, but &amp;#039;Bullets&amp;#039; outright described Zeta&amp;#039;s head being &amp;#039;comprehensively emptied by a sniper&amp;#039;s bullet&amp;#039;. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 03:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;:Yeah, I think we probably just have to consider the notion of Sherma Bridge being their first post-Chaos Theory meeting retconned. I mean, it&amp;#039;s not the only previous fiction &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039; overwrote - it also contradicted the notion from &amp;#039;Bullets&amp;#039; and MTMTE #3 that Megatron assassinated Zeta Prime with a sniper rifle, not by sticking a fusion cannon under his chin. The MTMTE #3 flashback isn&amp;#039;t as specific, but &amp;#039;Bullets&amp;#039; outright described Zeta&amp;#039;s head being &amp;#039;comprehensively emptied by a sniper&amp;#039;s bullet&amp;#039;. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 03:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;::For what it&#039;s worth, the [[Endgame]] article says the editors have claimed that the Sherma Bridge battle took place before &#039;&#039;Autocracy&#039;&#039;, though it&#039;s unsourced so I dunno where this claim was made. And yeah, it wouldn&#039;t make any sense for Orion to have an army at that point anyway. --[[User:Apoc|Apoc]] 04:16, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<author><name>Apoc</name></author>
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		<title>Jalaguy at 07:57, 24 May 2013</title>
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		<updated>2013-05-24T07:57:46Z</updated>

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&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;Cause that contradicts Megatron&amp;#039;s recollections of their first meeting being at [[Sherma Bridge]]. By that point they&amp;#039;re both commanding armies in open warfare - it HAS to be well after the events of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. It seems unlikely that Megatron could possibly forget allying with Orion and later turning on him, and then having him march on him with an army, then throwing down with him.... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&amp;#039;Cause that contradicts Megatron&amp;#039;s recollections of their first meeting being at [[Sherma Bridge]]. By that point they&amp;#039;re both commanding armies in open warfare - it HAS to be well after the events of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. It seems unlikely that Megatron could possibly forget allying with Orion and later turning on him, and then having him march on him with an army, then throwing down with him.... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
&lt;tr&gt;&lt;td colspan=&quot;2&quot; class=&quot;diff-side-deleted&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td class=&quot;diff-marker&quot; data-marker=&quot;+&quot;&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;td style=&quot;color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;&quot;&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;ins style=&quot;font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;&quot;&gt;:Yeah, I think we probably just have to consider the notion of Sherma Bridge being their first post-Chaos Theory meeting retconned. I mean, it&#039;s not the only previous fiction &#039;&#039;Autocracy&#039;&#039; overwrote - it also contradicted the notion from &#039;Bullets&#039; and MTMTE #3 that Megatron assassinated Zeta Prime with a sniper rifle, not by sticking a fusion cannon under his chin. The MTMTE #3 flashback isn&#039;t as specific, but &#039;Bullets&#039; outright described Zeta&#039;s head being &#039;comprehensively emptied by a sniper&#039;s bullet&#039;. [[User:Jalaguy|Jalaguy]] 03:57, 24 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/ins&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;/td&gt;&lt;/tr&gt;
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		<title>Repowers: Created page with &quot;So chronologically.... Optimus and Megatron first met when Megs was arrested and beaten up by Whirl (as remembered by Optimus in Chaos Theory Part 1.)  Then this meeting and …&quot;</title>
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		<summary type="html">&lt;p&gt;Created page with &amp;quot;So chronologically.... Optimus and Megatron first met when Megs was arrested and beaten up by Whirl (as remembered by Optimus in &lt;a href=&quot;/index.php/Chaos_Theory_Part_1&quot; title=&quot;Chaos Theory Part 1&quot;&gt;Chaos Theory Part 1&lt;/a&gt;.)  Then this meeting and …&amp;quot;&lt;/p&gt;
&lt;p&gt;&lt;b&gt;New page&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/p&gt;&lt;div&gt;So chronologically.... Optimus and Megatron first met when Megs was arrested and beaten up by Whirl (as remembered by Optimus in [[Chaos Theory Part 1]].)  Then this meeting and the rest of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039;, right?&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;Cause that contradicts Megatron&amp;#039;s recollections of their first meeting being at [[Sherma Bridge]]. By that point they&amp;#039;re both commanding armies in open warfare - it HAS to be well after the events of &amp;#039;&amp;#039;Autocracy&amp;#039;&amp;#039;. It seems unlikely that Megatron could possibly forget allying with Orion and later turning on him, and then having him march on him with an army, then throwing down with him.... -- [[User:Repowers|Repowers]] 22:58, 23 May 2013 (EDT)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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