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	== 2007 movie was set in the Generation 1 continuity or not ==		== 2007 movie was set in the Generation 1 continuity or not ==

	''On the other hand, a [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/table.html timeline posted on TakaraTomy's website] in 2007 suggested that the [[~~Movie~~ (franchise)\|2007 movie]] was set in the Generation 1 continuity, thus effectively making movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] the same character as G1 Optimus Prime.''		''On the other hand, a [http://www.takaratomy.co.jp/products/TF/table.html timeline posted on TakaraTomy's website] in 2007 suggested that the [[Transformers (2007 franchise)\|2007 movie]] was set in the Generation 1 continuity, thus effectively making movie [[Optimus Prime (Movie)\|Optimus Prime]] the same character as G1 Optimus Prime.''

	It simply looks more like:		It simply looks more like:

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	::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)		::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::Quick, Hasbro, release SOMETHING with Bluestreak on it! --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:45, 17 October 2010 (EDT)		:::Quick, Hasbro, release SOMETHING with Bluestreak on it! --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:45, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
			::::[http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS19631&mode=retail Done].--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 10:32, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* ROTF/Universe Airazor shows... */

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	:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)		:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
	::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)		::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
			:::Quick, Hasbro, release SOMETHING with Bluestreak on it! --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:45, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

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	To them, if it has the same name it's the same character, regardless of differences in portrayal; if it has a different name, it's a different character, regardless of whether the name change was simply due to trademark issues. So they may not even view Silverstreak as the same guy as Bluestreak.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 11:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)		To them, if it has the same name it's the same character, regardless of differences in portrayal; if it has a different name, it's a different character, regardless of whether the name change was simply due to trademark issues. So they may not even view Silverstreak as the same guy as Bluestreak.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 11:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
	:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)		:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
			::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

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	To them, if it has the same name it's the same character, regardless of differences in portrayal; if it has a different name, it's a different character, regardless of whether the name change was simply due to trademark issues. So they may not even view Silverstreak as the same guy as Bluestreak.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 11:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)		To them, if it has the same name it's the same character, regardless of differences in portrayal; if it has a different name, it's a different character, regardless of whether the name change was simply due to trademark issues. So they may not even view Silverstreak as the same guy as Bluestreak.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 11:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
			:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)

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	==BW Inferno ~ Universe Lamborghini Inferno==		==BW Inferno ~ Universe Lamborghini Inferno==
	This page says that this relationship is specifically asserted by Hasbro; but the [[Inferno (BW)]] page says that all materials linking the ant to the lambo are "not entirely official" and were either never vetted by Hasbro or never published. If that's the case, I don't think it's a good example. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 19:17, 29 August 2009 (EDT)		This page says that this relationship is specifically asserted by Hasbro; but the [[Inferno (BW)]] page says that all materials linking the ant to the lambo are "not entirely official" and were either never vetted by Hasbro or never published. If that's the case, I don't think it's a good example. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 19:17, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

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			That Hasbro really thinks differently about the matter than we do.

			To them, if it has the same name it's the same character, regardless of differences in portrayal; if it has a different name, it's a different character, regardless of whether the name change was simply due to trademark issues. So they may not even view Silverstreak as the same guy as Bluestreak.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 11:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)

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	It simply looks more like:		It simply looks more like:
	# The writer of the table simply didn't know 2007 film is in another continuity. ~~{{m-}}~~ That is, An Error/Mistake.		# The writer of the table simply didn't know 2007 film is in another continuity. — That is, An Error/Mistake.
	# More like a tie-in promotional ad says "Hey, do you know in the [[wikipedia:Real life (reality)\|real world]] in 2007, there will be a whole new ''Transformers'' movie?" <small>(Though somebody may ask "Why put it in Chronicle #1 instead of #2?")</small>		# More like a tie-in promotional ad says "Hey, do you know in the [[wikipedia:Real life (reality)\|real world]] in 2007, there will be a whole new ''Transformers'' movie?" <small>(Though somebody may ask "Why put it in Chronicle #1 instead of #2?")</small>

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	:::Arguably, you could move this whole thing in-universe. Cartoon Prime and Comics Prime are the same guy-- from the perspective of the TF Multiverse, but Armada Prime in his various incarnations is a separate guy. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:21, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		:::Arguably, you could move this whole thing in-universe. Cartoon Prime and Comics Prime are the same guy-- from the perspective of the TF Multiverse, but Armada Prime in his various incarnations is a separate guy. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:21, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	:::The toys. Cartoon G1 Prime and Marvel Comics G1 Prime derive from the same toy. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:45, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		:::The toys. Cartoon G1 Prime and Marvel Comics G1 Prime derive from the same toy. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:45, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	::::So do [[Storm Surge]] and [[Seaspray (SG)\|''Shattered Glass'' Seaspray]]. Do you see my point? All of these distinctions are so shades-of-grey, case-by-case, matter-of-degree that I really don't get how they apply outside of our particular wiki-tastic rabbit hole. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 22:49, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		::::So do [[Storm Surge (Movie)\|live-action movie Storm Surge]] and [[Seaspray (SG)\|''Shattered Glass'' Seaspray]]. Do you see my point? All of these distinctions are so shades-of-grey, case-by-case, matter-of-degree that I really don't get how they apply outside of our particular wiki-tastic rabbit hole. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 22:49, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	:::::That's called [[repurposing]], which you may argue is another artificial construct of the wiki, but there is more to a toy than just the toy. Does SG Seaspray have anything to do with Storm Surge's bio, tech spec, and packaging and whatnot? - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:55, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		:::::That's called [[repurposing]], which you may argue is another artificial construct of the wiki, but there is more to a toy than just the toy. Does SG Seaspray have anything to do with Storm Surge's bio, tech spec, and packaging and whatnot? - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:55, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	::::::No, but all of that isn't really the end of the story either. For instance, I would argue that ''Animated'' Grimlock is closer in portayal to G1 cartoon Grimlock than G1 comic Grimlock is, despite the latter two starting from the exact same metafictional source material. Likewise with Shockwave. Where does the "same character" line get drawn with them? ''Animated'' is actually a great example of how this whole question looks from Hasbro's point of view. They decided to make a series that was heavily G1-influenced but still creatively free, and the result was a cast that went from slavishly G1-ish (Starscream, Omega Supreme, Swindle) to wildly different (Prowl, Jetfire, the Constructicons) with lots of grey areas in-between (Wreck-Gar, Soundwave, Jazz). How and why would Hasbro make a distinction between which of those are "archetypically" the same as their predecessors and which are "new guys"? It's just a big spectrum. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 00:07, 16 July 2009 (EDT)		::::::No, but all of that isn't really the end of the story either. For instance, I would argue that ''Animated'' Grimlock is closer in portayal to G1 cartoon Grimlock than G1 comic Grimlock is, despite the latter two starting from the exact same metafictional source material. Likewise with Shockwave. Where does the "same character" line get drawn with them? ''Animated'' is actually a great example of how this whole question looks from Hasbro's point of view. They decided to make a series that was heavily G1-influenced but still creatively free, and the result was a cast that went from slavishly G1-ish (Starscream, Omega Supreme, Swindle) to wildly different (Prowl, Jetfire, the Constructicons) with lots of grey areas in-between (Wreck-Gar, Soundwave, Jazz). How and why would Hasbro make a distinction between which of those are "archetypically" the same as their predecessors and which are "new guys"? It's just a big spectrum. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 00:07, 16 July 2009 (EDT)

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	==BW Inferno ~ Universe Lamborghini Inferno==		==BW Inferno ~ Universe Lamborghini Inferno==
	This page says that this relationship is specifically asserted by Hasbro; but the [[Inferno (BW)]] page says that all materials linking the ant to the lambo are "not entirely official" and were either never vetted by Hasbro or never published. If that's the case, I don't think it's a good example.		This page says that this relationship is specifically asserted by Hasbro; but the [[Inferno (BW)]] page says that all materials linking the ant to the lambo are "not entirely official" and were either never vetted by Hasbro or never published. If that's the case, I don't think it's a good example. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 19:17, 29 August 2009 (EDT)

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	:And, even if they '''did''' intend to make them the same continuity, Movie Optimus is still "Optimus Prime" in Japan, where G1 Optimus was "Convoy", ja? Ergo, even if it was the same continuity, that wouldn't automatically make them the same character. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 12:23, 29 August 2009 (EDT)		:And, even if they '''did''' intend to make them the same continuity, Movie Optimus is still "Optimus Prime" in Japan, where G1 Optimus was "Convoy", ja? Ergo, even if it was the same continuity, that wouldn't automatically make them the same character. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] 12:23, 29 August 2009 (EDT)


			==BW Inferno ~ Universe Lamborghini Inferno==
			This page says that this relationship is specifically asserted by Hasbro; but the [[Inferno (BW)]] page says that all materials linking the ant to the lambo are "not entirely official" and were either never vetted by Hasbro or never published. If that's the case, I don't think it's a good example.

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	::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)		::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
	:::Quick, Hasbro, release SOMETHING with Bluestreak on it! --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:45, 17 October 2010 (EDT)		:::Quick, Hasbro, release SOMETHING with Bluestreak on it! --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:45, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
			::::[http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/bbts/product.aspx?product=HAS19631&mode=retail Done].--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 10:32, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

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	:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)		:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
	::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)		::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)
			:::Quick, Hasbro, release SOMETHING with Bluestreak on it! --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 09:45, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

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	To them, if it has the same name it's the same character, regardless of differences in portrayal; if it has a different name, it's a different character, regardless of whether the name change was simply due to trademark issues. So they may not even view Silverstreak as the same guy as Bluestreak.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 11:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)		To them, if it has the same name it's the same character, regardless of differences in portrayal; if it has a different name, it's a different character, regardless of whether the name change was simply due to trademark issues. So they may not even view Silverstreak as the same guy as Bluestreak.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 11:37, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
	:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)		:I wonder how much Hasbro's official position on characters is because of trademarks. Are they worried it would negatively affect their trademarks if they officially said they use the same name for different characters? Or if they officially said Airazor was the same character as (the lost trademark) Slingshot? I just hope nobody ever asks if Silverstreak is Bluestreak. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 23:17, 16 October 2010 (EDT)
			::Bluestreak is available again.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 09:30, 17 October 2010 (EDT)

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	:::Arguably, you could move this whole thing in-universe. Cartoon Prime and Comics Prime are the same guy-- from the perspective of the TF Multiverse, but Armada Prime in his various incarnations is a separate guy. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:21, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		:::Arguably, you could move this whole thing in-universe. Cartoon Prime and Comics Prime are the same guy-- from the perspective of the TF Multiverse, but Armada Prime in his various incarnations is a separate guy. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:21, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	:::The toys. Cartoon G1 Prime and Marvel Comics G1 Prime derive from the same toy. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:45, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		:::The toys. Cartoon G1 Prime and Marvel Comics G1 Prime derive from the same toy. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:45, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	::::So do [[Storm Surge]] and [[Seaspray (SG)\|''Shattered Glass'' Seaspray]]. Do you see my point? All of these distinctions are so shades-of-grey, case-by-case, matter-of-degree that I really don't get how they apply outside of our particular wiki-tastic rabbit hole. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 22:49, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		::::So do [[Storm Surge (Movie)\|live-action movie Storm Surge]] and [[Seaspray (SG)\|''Shattered Glass'' Seaspray]]. Do you see my point? All of these distinctions are so shades-of-grey, case-by-case, matter-of-degree that I really don't get how they apply outside of our particular wiki-tastic rabbit hole. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 22:49, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	:::::That's called [[repurposing]], which you may argue is another artificial construct of the wiki, but there is more to a toy than just the toy. Does SG Seaspray have anything to do with Storm Surge's bio, tech spec, and packaging and whatnot? - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:55, 15 July 2009 (EDT)		:::::That's called [[repurposing]], which you may argue is another artificial construct of the wiki, but there is more to a toy than just the toy. Does SG Seaspray have anything to do with Storm Surge's bio, tech spec, and packaging and whatnot? - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 22:55, 15 July 2009 (EDT)
	::::::No, but all of that isn't really the end of the story either. For instance, I would argue that ''Animated'' Grimlock is closer in portayal to G1 cartoon Grimlock than G1 comic Grimlock is, despite the latter two starting from the exact same metafictional source material. Likewise with Shockwave. Where does the "same character" line get drawn with them? ''Animated'' is actually a great example of how this whole question looks from Hasbro's point of view. They decided to make a series that was heavily G1-influenced but still creatively free, and the result was a cast that went from slavishly G1-ish (Starscream, Omega Supreme, Swindle) to wildly different (Prowl, Jetfire, the Constructicons) with lots of grey areas in-between (Wreck-Gar, Soundwave, Jazz). How and why would Hasbro make a distinction between which of those are "archetypically" the same as their predecessors and which are "new guys"? It's just a big spectrum. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 00:07, 16 July 2009 (EDT)		::::::No, but all of that isn't really the end of the story either. For instance, I would argue that ''Animated'' Grimlock is closer in portayal to G1 cartoon Grimlock than G1 comic Grimlock is, despite the latter two starting from the exact same metafictional source material. Likewise with Shockwave. Where does the "same character" line get drawn with them? ''Animated'' is actually a great example of how this whole question looks from Hasbro's point of view. They decided to make a series that was heavily G1-influenced but still creatively free, and the result was a cast that went from slavishly G1-ish (Starscream, Omega Supreme, Swindle) to wildly different (Prowl, Jetfire, the Constructicons) with lots of grey areas in-between (Wreck-Gar, Soundwave, Jazz). How and why would Hasbro make a distinction between which of those are "archetypically" the same as their predecessors and which are "new guys"? It's just a big spectrum. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 00:07, 16 July 2009 (EDT)