Talk:Chris Killah - Revision history

https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AChris_Killah Talk:Chris Killah - Revision history 2026-09-17T21:22:00Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=1900068&oldid=prev AzimuthAcolyte: Tigatron -> Tigatron (BW) update 2026-03-09T03:48:26Z

<p>Tigatron -> Tigatron (BW) update</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 03:48, 9 March 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l17">Line 17:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 17:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The Joseph Bergstrom article was ''so'' well-served by breaking the characters out too! Now we have no idea who his staff is, but the radio operator who does nothing (but has a name) has a page to himself, and an empty fiction section because the person breaking him out did so out of reflex... but didn't bother to go back and ''read'' the story to do a proper job of it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The Joseph Bergstrom article was ''so'' well-served by breaking the characters out too! Now we have no idea who his staff is, but the radio operator who does nothing (but has a name) has a page to himself, and an empty fiction section because the person breaking him out did so out of reflex... but didn't bother to go back and ''read'' the story to do a proper job of it.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The resulting quintet of pages is '''measurably worse off''' and '''less informative''' than the original single article was. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The resulting quintet of pages is '''measurably worse off''' and '''less informative''' than the original single article was. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Again, I am sorry I cannot make fiction sections for characters in fiction I do not have access to in order to meet your personal and arbitrary expectations of articles! You still haven't explained why those characters warrant this treatment when nothing else with the same level of obscurity, or nonexistence outside the "context" of other things, does. What makes [[New Jersey (Ganzvort)]] special, but not Iolus Monk? [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]]? Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[Tigatron]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Again, I am sorry I cannot make fiction sections for characters in fiction I do not have access to in order to meet your personal and arbitrary expectations of articles! You still haven't explained why those characters warrant this treatment when nothing else with the same level of obscurity, or nonexistence outside the "context" of other things, does. What makes [[New Jersey (Ganzvort)]] special, but not Iolus Monk? [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]]? Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tigatron (BW)|</ins>Tigatron]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I have to say that, I think that if you don't have access to the fiction for a character, that's probably a strong sign you should let someone who does have access make the article instead of you.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I have to say that, I think that if you don't have access to the fiction for a character, that's probably a strong sign you should let someone who does have access make the article instead of you.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::As for the topic at hand, I actually wish we ''would'' consolidate far more minor characters of the type who have no real personality of their own into either the pages of their "primary characters" or into lists of minor characters related to the continuity. I've always been bugged by having pages that are basically just skeleton pages that say nothing about the character because there ''is'' nothing to say. We can always split them out later if we ever get enough info on them to warrant an actual page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::As for the topic at hand, I actually wish we ''would'' consolidate far more minor characters of the type who have no real personality of their own into either the pages of their "primary characters" or into lists of minor characters related to the continuity. I've always been bugged by having pages that are basically just skeleton pages that say nothing about the character because there ''is'' nothing to say. We can always split them out later if we ever get enough info on them to warrant an actual page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::[[Koji Onishi]]'s mother is an ideal example of an "associated character." She never did anything. I think she had exactly one line of dialogue ever. She doesn't even have a name, her only monicker being a reference to her relationship with a better-known character. If she had an entire page to herself, it would probably consist of two sentences: "KOJI'S MOTHER is Koji's mother. FICTION: She watched some shit on TV." Honestly, that's better off right where it is on Koji's page. Now, I didn't read Hardwired so I don't know anything about Chris Killah or his colleagues and rivals; however, if any of them are just names mentioned in passing in a single sentence, I very much agree that they too should just be "associated characters." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::[[Koji Onishi]]'s mother is an ideal example of an "associated character." She never did anything. I think she had exactly one line of dialogue ever. She doesn't even have a name, her only monicker being a reference to her relationship with a better-known character. If she had an entire page to herself, it would probably consist of two sentences: "KOJI'S MOTHER is Koji's mother. FICTION: She watched some shit on TV." Honestly, that's better off right where it is on Koji's page. Now, I didn't read Hardwired so I don't know anything about Chris Killah or his colleagues and rivals; however, if any of them are just names mentioned in passing in a single sentence, I very much agree that they too should just be "associated characters." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::''Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[Tigatron]]?''</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::''Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Tigatron (BW)|</ins>Tigatron]]?''</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::We don't have a written policy relating to this... but I follow the same ''principle'' we use for redirects.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::We don't have a written policy relating to this... but I follow the same ''principle'' we use for redirects.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::#We do not favor one fiction over another, so "Blurr" redirects to "Blurr (disambiguation)" not "Blurr (G1)." (G1 is not automatically 'senior' when compared to the more-or-less equally-prominent Armada blurr and Animated Blurr.)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::#We do not favor one fiction over another, so "Blurr" redirects to "Blurr (disambiguation)" not "Blurr (G1)." (G1 is not automatically 'senior' when compared to the more-or-less equally-prominent Armada blurr and Animated Blurr.)</div></td></tr> </table>

AzimuthAcolyte https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=356164&oldid=prev Derik at 18:20, 24 August 2009 2009-08-24T18:20:45Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:20, 24 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l30">Line 30:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 30:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I refuse to feel like a no-good-shit for arguing with you about this; that you ''admit'' your stance is that consistent format should trump clear presentation of the information. '''Quote:''' <tt>"You are looking at the ten or so orange trees and completely ignoring the thousands of green trees."</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I refuse to feel like a no-good-shit for arguing with you about this; that you ''admit'' your stance is that consistent format should trump clear presentation of the information. '''Quote:''' <tt>"You are looking at the ten or so orange trees and completely ignoring the thousands of green trees."</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::Snowstalker actually mattered in a story. An entire episode's worth of dramatic tension and character growth happened entirely because of her. I think any supporting character who is shown to be driving the behavior of one of the main characters, or in some way has an important role to play in some medium or another, deserves their own article; someone who is just a name listed next to other names in a sentence and who never does anything can be "associated." If the article would be all of one sentence long and there would be nothing to ''actually'' read in it, "associate" it.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:00, 24 August 2009 (EDT) </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::Snowstalker actually mattered in a story. An entire episode's worth of dramatic tension and character growth happened entirely because of her. I think any supporting character who is shown to be driving the behavior of one of the main characters, or in some way has an important role to play in some medium or another, deserves their own article; someone who is just a name listed next to other names in a sentence and who never does anything can be "associated." If the article would be all of one sentence long and there would be nothing to ''actually'' read in it, "associate" it.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:00, 24 August 2009 (EDT) </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::When possible. Fortunately such nobodies tend to cluster together... -14:20, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td></tr> </table>

Derik https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=356163&oldid=prev Thylacine 2000 at 18:00, 24 August 2009 2009-08-24T18:00:37Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:00, 24 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l29">Line 29:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 29:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::So while you're right and we don't ''have'' a clearly articulated policy about Associated characters... our treatment of them is consistent enough with underlying principles the site uses in other circumstances.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::So while you're right and we don't ''have'' a clearly articulated policy about Associated characters... our treatment of them is consistent enough with underlying principles the site uses in other circumstances.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I refuse to feel like a no-good-shit for arguing with you about this; that you ''admit'' your stance is that consistent format should trump clear presentation of the information. '''Quote:''' <tt>"You are looking at the ten or so orange trees and completely ignoring the thousands of green trees."</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I refuse to feel like a no-good-shit for arguing with you about this; that you ''admit'' your stance is that consistent format should trump clear presentation of the information. '''Quote:''' <tt>"You are looking at the ten or so orange trees and completely ignoring the thousands of green trees."</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::Snowstalker actually mattered in a story. An entire episode's worth of dramatic tension and character growth happened entirely because of her. I think any supporting character who is shown to be driving the behavior of one of the main characters, or in some way has an important role to play in some medium or another, deserves their own article; someone who is just a name listed next to other names in a sentence and who never does anything can be "associated." If the article would be all of one sentence long and there would be nothing to ''actually'' read in it, "associate" it.--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 14:00, 24 August 2009 (EDT) </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> </table>

Thylacine 2000 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=356136&oldid=prev Derik at 17:08, 24 August 2009 2009-08-24T17:08:13Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:08, 24 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l28">Line 28:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 28:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I admit to being ambivalent about Koji's mom being part of his article... but she is at least always his mom. (And arguably the including her there serves to highlight how she plays virtually no part of her son's life; when his father is kidnapped the show treats Koji like an orphan waif.) But while Snowstalker is important to Tigatron very early on, she is a null-factor later, so it's probably not appropriate to make her part of Tigatron's article.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I admit to being ambivalent about Koji's mom being part of his article... but she is at least always his mom. (And arguably the including her there serves to highlight how she plays virtually no part of her son's life; when his father is kidnapped the show treats Koji like an orphan waif.) But while Snowstalker is important to Tigatron very early on, she is a null-factor later, so it's probably not appropriate to make her part of Tigatron's article.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::So while you're right and we don't ''have'' a clearly articulated policy about Associated characters... our treatment of them is consistent enough with underlying principles the site uses in other circumstances.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::So while you're right and we don't ''have'' a clearly articulated policy about Associated characters... our treatment of them is consistent enough with underlying principles the site uses in other circumstances.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I refuse to feel like a no-good-shit for arguing with you about this; that you ''admit'' your stance is <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">''admittedly'' </del>that consistent format should trump clear presentation of the information. '''Quote:''' <tt>"You are looking at the ten or so orange trees and completely ignoring the thousands of green trees."</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I refuse to feel like a no-good-shit for arguing with you about this; that you ''admit'' your stance is that consistent format should trump clear presentation of the information. '''Quote:''' <tt>"You are looking at the ten or so orange trees and completely ignoring the thousands of green trees."</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> </table>

Derik https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=356135&oldid=prev Derik at 17:07, 24 August 2009 2009-08-24T17:07:20Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 17:07, 24 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l21">Line 21:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 21:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::As for the topic at hand, I actually wish we ''would'' consolidate far more minor characters of the type who have no real personality of their own into either the pages of their "primary characters" or into lists of minor characters related to the continuity. I've always been bugged by having pages that are basically just skeleton pages that say nothing about the character because there ''is'' nothing to say. We can always split them out later if we ever get enough info on them to warrant an actual page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::As for the topic at hand, I actually wish we ''would'' consolidate far more minor characters of the type who have no real personality of their own into either the pages of their "primary characters" or into lists of minor characters related to the continuity. I've always been bugged by having pages that are basically just skeleton pages that say nothing about the character because there ''is'' nothing to say. We can always split them out later if we ever get enough info on them to warrant an actual page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::[[Koji Onishi]]'s mother is an ideal example of an "associated character." She never did anything. I think she had exactly one line of dialogue ever. She doesn't even have a name, her only monicker being a reference to her relationship with a better-known character. If she had an entire page to herself, it would probably consist of two sentences: "KOJI'S MOTHER is Koji's mother. FICTION: She watched some shit on TV." Honestly, that's better off right where it is on Koji's page. Now, I didn't read Hardwired so I don't know anything about Chris Killah or his colleagues and rivals; however, if any of them are just names mentioned in passing in a single sentence, I very much agree that they too should just be "associated characters." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::[[Koji Onishi]]'s mother is an ideal example of an "associated character." She never did anything. I think she had exactly one line of dialogue ever. She doesn't even have a name, her only monicker being a reference to her relationship with a better-known character. If she had an entire page to herself, it would probably consist of two sentences: "KOJI'S MOTHER is Koji's mother. FICTION: She watched some shit on TV." Honestly, that's better off right where it is on Koji's page. Now, I didn't read Hardwired so I don't know anything about Chris Killah or his colleagues and rivals; however, if any of them are just names mentioned in passing in a single sentence, I very much agree that they too should just be "associated characters." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::''Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[Tigatron]]?''</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::We don't have a written policy relating to this... but I follow the same ''principle'' we use for redirects.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::#We do not favor one fiction over another, so "Blurr" redirects to "Blurr (disambiguation)" not "Blurr (G1)." (G1 is not automatically 'senior' when compared to the more-or-less equally-prominent Armada blurr and Animated Blurr.)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::#In cases when one individual is demonstrably prominent and all other claimants on the name are demonstrably obscure, the primary redirect can go to the preeminent one. "Nightbeat" redirects to "Nightbeat (G1)," since all other claimants on the name are Mini-cons who may-or-may-not have appeared anywhere, and a bunch of toy-only guys. (If Shattered Glass Nightbeat continues to get screentime he might end up kicking the whole thing back to "Nightbeat (disambiguation)" though.)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::So it's a balance of the 'Associated Character' being obscure enough that they don't really ''need'' their own article while also being ''strongly'' associated with another character. If Chris Killah had dozens of appearances and this news crew was only in 1 or 2 of 'em, it wouldn't be appropriate to include them here because it would be creating a false connection to those dozens of appearances. But they ''still'' wouldn't be prominent enough for individual articles; you'd move them to something like "MNT News crew" and treat them like the [[Uberhogs]]. (Always remembering to include the proper character 'cats in the redirect so they list.)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::I admit to being ambivalent about Koji's mom being part of his article... but she is at least always his mom. (And arguably the including her there serves to highlight how she plays virtually no part of her son's life; when his father is kidnapped the show treats Koji like an orphan waif.) But while Snowstalker is important to Tigatron very early on, she is a null-factor later, so it's probably not appropriate to make her part of Tigatron's article.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::So while you're right and we don't ''have'' a clearly articulated policy about Associated characters... our treatment of them is consistent enough with underlying principles the site uses in other circumstances.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::I refuse to feel like a no-good-shit for arguing with you about this; that you ''admit'' your stance is ''admittedly'' that consistent format should trump clear presentation of the information. '''Quote:''' <tt>"You are looking at the ten or so orange trees and completely ignoring the thousands of green trees."</tt> -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:07, 24 August 2009 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td></tr> </table>

Derik https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=355855&oldid=prev Thylacine 2000 at 03:31, 24 August 2009 2009-08-24T03:31:22Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 03:31, 24 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l20">Line 20:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 20:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I have to say that, I think that if you don't have access to the fiction for a character, that's probably a strong sign you should let someone who does have access make the article instead of you.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I have to say that, I think that if you don't have access to the fiction for a character, that's probably a strong sign you should let someone who does have access make the article instead of you.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::As for the topic at hand, I actually wish we ''would'' consolidate far more minor characters of the type who have no real personality of their own into either the pages of their "primary characters" or into lists of minor characters related to the continuity. I've always been bugged by having pages that are basically just skeleton pages that say nothing about the character because there ''is'' nothing to say. We can always split them out later if we ever get enough info on them to warrant an actual page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::As for the topic at hand, I actually wish we ''would'' consolidate far more minor characters of the type who have no real personality of their own into either the pages of their "primary characters" or into lists of minor characters related to the continuity. I've always been bugged by having pages that are basically just skeleton pages that say nothing about the character because there ''is'' nothing to say. We can always split them out later if we ever get enough info on them to warrant an actual page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::[[Koji Onishi]]'s mother is an ideal example of an "associated character." She never did anything. I think she had exactly one line of dialogue ever. She doesn't even have a name, her only monicker being a reference to her relationship with a better-known character. If she had an entire page to herself, it would probably consist of two sentences: "KOJI'S MOTHER is Koji's mother. FICTION: She watched some shit on TV." Honestly, that's better off right where it is on Koji's page. Now, I didn't read Hardwired so I don't know anything about Chris Killah or his colleagues and rivals; however, if any of them are just names mentioned in passing in a single sentence, I very much agree that they too should just be "associated characters." --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 23:31, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td></tr> </table>

Thylacine 2000 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=355853&oldid=prev Jeysie at 03:22, 24 August 2009 2009-08-24T03:22:22Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 03:22, 24 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l18">Line 18:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 18:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The resulting quintet of pages is '''measurably worse off''' and '''less informative''' than the original single article was. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The resulting quintet of pages is '''measurably worse off''' and '''less informative''' than the original single article was. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Again, I am sorry I cannot make fiction sections for characters in fiction I do not have access to in order to meet your personal and arbitrary expectations of articles! You still haven't explained why those characters warrant this treatment when nothing else with the same level of obscurity, or nonexistence outside the "context" of other things, does. What makes [[New Jersey (Ganzvort)]] special, but not Iolus Monk? [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]]? Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[Tigatron]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Again, I am sorry I cannot make fiction sections for characters in fiction I do not have access to in order to meet your personal and arbitrary expectations of articles! You still haven't explained why those characters warrant this treatment when nothing else with the same level of obscurity, or nonexistence outside the "context" of other things, does. What makes [[New Jersey (Ganzvort)]] special, but not Iolus Monk? [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]]? Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[Tigatron]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::I have to say that, I think that if you don't have access to the fiction for a character, that's probably a strong sign you should let someone who does have access make the article instead of you.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::As for the topic at hand, I actually wish we ''would'' consolidate far more minor characters of the type who have no real personality of their own into either the pages of their "primary characters" or into lists of minor characters related to the continuity. I've always been bugged by having pages that are basically just skeleton pages that say nothing about the character because there ''is'' nothing to say. We can always split them out later if we ever get enough info on them to warrant an actual page. --[[User:Jeysie|Jeysie]] 23:22, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td></tr> </table>

Jeysie https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=355841&oldid=prev Interrobang at 02:54, 24 August 2009 2009-08-24T02:54:28Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 02:54, 24 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l17">Line 17:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 17:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The Joseph Bergstrom article was ''so'' well-served by breaking the characters out too! Now we have no idea who his staff is, but the radio operator who does nothing (but has a name) has a page to himself, and an empty fiction section because the person breaking him out did so out of reflex... but didn't bother to go back and ''read'' the story to do a proper job of it.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The Joseph Bergstrom article was ''so'' well-served by breaking the characters out too! Now we have no idea who his staff is, but the radio operator who does nothing (but has a name) has a page to himself, and an empty fiction section because the person breaking him out did so out of reflex... but didn't bother to go back and ''read'' the story to do a proper job of it.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The resulting quintet of pages is '''measurably worse off''' and '''less informative''' than the original single article was. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::The resulting quintet of pages is '''measurably worse off''' and '''less informative''' than the original single article was. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::Again, I am sorry I cannot make fiction sections for characters in fiction I do not have access to in order to meet your personal and arbitrary expectations of articles! You still haven't explained why those characters warrant this treatment when nothing else with the same level of obscurity, or nonexistence outside the "context" of other things, does. What makes [[New Jersey (Ganzvort)]] special, but not Iolus Monk? [[Neutro-Fusion Tank]]? Why isn't [[Snowstalker]] merged with [[Tigatron]]? [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 22:54, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td></tr> </table>

Interrobang https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=355760&oldid=prev Derik at 22:45, 23 August 2009 2009-08-23T22:45:30Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:45, 23 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l15">Line 15:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 15:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::So you ''really'' think that Joe Chuckry, Tom Hyroon and Rhona Jay would be better served by being on their own pages? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:09, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::So you ''really'' think that Joe Chuckry, Tom Hyroon and Rhona Jay would be better served by being on their own pages? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:09, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::I've also made some associated character sections on articles I've created. [[Joseph Bergstrum]] had several, which I see have now been separated out. [[Connie]] still has her cameraman Craig on her page as associated, which I think is a perfectly reasonable thing. I think in some cases, it is appropriate. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:21, 23 August 2009 (EDT) </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::I've also made some associated character sections on articles I've created. [[Joseph Bergstrum]] had several, which I see have now been separated out. [[Connie]] still has her cameraman Craig on her page as associated, which I think is a perfectly reasonable thing. I think in some cases, it is appropriate. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:21, 23 August 2009 (EDT) </div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::The Joseph Bergstrom article was ''so'' well-served by breaking the characters out too! Now we have no idea who his staff is, but the radio operator who does nothing (but has a name) has a page to himself, and an empty fiction section because the person breaking him out did so out of reflex... but didn't bother to go back and ''read'' the story to do a proper job of it.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::The resulting quintet of pages is '''measurably worse off''' and '''less informative''' than the original single article was. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 18:45, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td></tr> </table>

Derik https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Chris_Killah&diff=355741&oldid=prev KilMichaelMcC at 21:21, 23 August 2009 2009-08-23T21:21:13Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:21, 23 August 2009</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l14">Line 14:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 14:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::I think you're the only person who's ever created Associated Characters sections. The only reason they still exist is due to our negligence in removing them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::I think you're the only person who's ever created Associated Characters sections. The only reason they still exist is due to our negligence in removing them. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 10:42, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::So you ''really'' think that Joe Chuckry, Tom Hyroon and Rhona Jay would be better served by being on their own pages? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:09, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::So you ''really'' think that Joe Chuckry, Tom Hyroon and Rhona Jay would be better served by being on their own pages? -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:09, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::I've also made some associated character sections on articles I've created. [[Joseph Bergstrum]] had several, which I see have now been separated out. [[Connie]] still has her cameraman Craig on her page as associated, which I think is a perfectly reasonable thing. I think in some cases, it is appropriate. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC|KilMichaelMcC]] 17:21, 23 August 2009 (EDT) </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Chris Killah is a tool==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The one piece of exposition I couldn't figure out how to work into this bio was Killah's appearance; he's got sandy hair, piercing greene yes that eh hides behind Raybans (the same little black ones Neo wore in ''The Matrix'') and has cultivated his signature on-air look of blue jeans, a gray turtleneck and a black duster.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>The one piece of exposition I couldn't figure out how to work into this bio was Killah's appearance; he's got sandy hair, piercing greene yes that eh hides behind Raybans (the same little black ones Neo wore in ''The Matrix'') and has cultivated his signature on-air look of blue jeans, a gray turtleneck and a black duster.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In other words... he's a total tool. (But you already knew that.) If anyone can figure out how to wedge that into his bio, feel free. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:09, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>In other words... he's a total tool. (But you already knew that.) If anyone can figure out how to wedge that into his bio, feel free. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 13:09, 23 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

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