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ItsWalky: /* Starscream did fail to take his shell with him. */

2012-01-05T17:41:38Z

Starscream did fail to take his shell with him.

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	: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)		: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)
	:: OK, I see. I got my issues confused. In Primal Scream, Starscream decides to leave and we don't see then anything about his shell. It is a few issues later (All Fall Down) that we actually see Starscream leave through a round portal without his shell. So we don't find out until then that he doesn't take his shell. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:59, 5 January 2012 (EST)		:: OK, I see. I got my issues confused. In Primal Scream, Starscream decides to leave and we don't see then anything about his shell. It is a few issues later (All Fall Down) that we actually see Starscream leave through a round portal without his shell. So we don't find out until then that he doesn't take his shell. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:59, 5 January 2012 (EST)
			::: That is not the problem. The problem is we don't know he left his shell behind at all. '''We don't know.''' It is more likely that it was just forgotten about or not cared about by the writer, and so to state that the character "left it behind" creates canon where there is none. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:41, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Starfield: /* Starscream did fail to take his shell with him. */

2012-01-05T16:59:09Z

Starscream did fail to take his shell with him.

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	What's the problem with saying Starscream failed to take his shell with him? - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)		What's the problem with saying Starscream failed to take his shell with him? - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)
	: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)		: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)
			:: OK, I see. I got my issues confused. In Primal Scream, Starscream decides to leave and we don't see then anything about his shell. It is a few issues later (All Fall Down) that we actually see Starscream leave through a round portal without his shell. So we don't find out until then that he doesn't take his shell. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:59, 5 January 2012 (EST)

ItsWalky: /* Starscream did fail to take his shell with him. */

2012-01-05T16:50:17Z

Starscream did fail to take his shell with him.

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	What's the problem with saying Starscream failed to take his shell with him? - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)		What's the problem with saying Starscream failed to take his shell with him? - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)
			: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Starfield: /* Starscream did fail to take his shell with him. */ new section

2012-01-05T16:43:25Z

Starscream did fail to take his shell with him.: new section

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	:::::::You got extremely close, to my untrained eye. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:46, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::::You got extremely close, to my untrained eye. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:46, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

			== Starscream ''did'' fail to take his shell with him. ==

			What's the problem with saying Starscream failed to take his shell with him? - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Starfield: /* Bumblebee and Jazz character models */

2009-04-24T01:46:39Z

Bumblebee and Jazz character models

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	::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:::::: I once tried to [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/332355.html recreate this character model myself.] --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 21:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::: I once tried to [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/332355.html recreate this character model myself.] --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 21:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			:::::::You got extremely close, to my untrained eye. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:46, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

ItsWalky at 01:30, 24 April 2009

2009-04-24T01:30:47Z

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	::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			:::::: I once tried to [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/332355.html recreate this character model myself.] --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 21:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

FortMax: /* Bumblebee and Jazz character models */

2009-04-24T01:23:25Z

Bumblebee and Jazz character models

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	::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Protoman at 01:00, 24 April 2009

2009-04-24T01:00:27Z

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	::: They MUST go somewhere. The WORLD must SEE them! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::: They MUST go somewhere. The WORLD must SEE them! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

Detour at 00:54, 24 April 2009

2009-04-24T00:54:20Z

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	:: still hyperventilating --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:29, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:: still hyperventilating --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:29, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	::: They MUST go somewhere. The WORLD must SEE them! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::: They MUST go somewhere. The WORLD must SEE them! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

ItsWalky at 00:30, 24 April 2009

2009-04-24T00:30:01Z

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	: HOLY SHIT I LOVE YOU WHERE ARE THOSE FROM I LOVE YOU --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:27, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		: HOLY SHIT I LOVE YOU WHERE ARE THOSE FROM I LOVE YOU --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:27, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:: still hyperventilating --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:29, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:: still hyperventilating --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:29, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			::: They MUST go somewhere. The WORLD must SEE them! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

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	: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)		: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)
	:: OK, I see. I got my issues confused. In Primal Scream, Starscream decides to leave and we don't see then anything about his shell. It is a few issues later (All Fall Down) that we actually see Starscream leave through a round portal without his shell. So we don't find out until then that he doesn't take his shell. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:59, 5 January 2012 (EST)		:: OK, I see. I got my issues confused. In Primal Scream, Starscream decides to leave and we don't see then anything about his shell. It is a few issues later (All Fall Down) that we actually see Starscream leave through a round portal without his shell. So we don't find out until then that he doesn't take his shell. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:59, 5 January 2012 (EST)
			::: That is not the problem. The problem is we don't know he left his shell behind at all. '''We don't know.''' It is more likely that it was just forgotten about or not cared about by the writer, and so to state that the character "left it behind" creates canon where there is none. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:41, 5 January 2012 (EST)

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	What's the problem with saying Starscream failed to take his shell with him? - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)		What's the problem with saying Starscream failed to take his shell with him? - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)
	: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)		: We don't know he didn't take his shell with him. Maybe he took it with him and just didn't use it later. You're asserting something that we don't know. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:50, 5 January 2012 (EST)
			:: OK, I see. I got my issues confused. In Primal Scream, Starscream decides to leave and we don't see then anything about his shell. It is a few issues later (All Fall Down) that we actually see Starscream leave through a round portal without his shell. So we don't find out until then that he doesn't take his shell. - [[User:Starfield\|Starﬁeld]] 11:59, 5 January 2012 (EST)

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	::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:::::: I once tried to [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/332355.html recreate this character model myself.] --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 21:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::: I once tried to [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/332355.html recreate this character model myself.] --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 21:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			:::::::You got extremely close, to my untrained eye. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:46, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

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	::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			:::::: I once tried to [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/332355.html recreate this character model myself.] --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 21:30, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)

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	::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::Well there is a section about the model on Bumblebee's trivia section, where the accompanying image is just a collage of fuzzy commercial clips... Jazz has no mention of it at all, but it could again go in the Trivia section. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 20:54, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
	::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)		::::: Well well well, looks like someone decided to share some of his hidden collection. Ho ho ho, Willis, I didn't think you flip this much. [[User:Protoman\|Protoman]] 21:00, 23 April 2009 (EDT)
			:::::Do you happen to have any vehicle mode models? --[[User:FortMax\|FortMax]] 21:23, 23 April 2009 (EDT)