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	::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.		::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.

			==Variant Key==
			Could there be some discussion of the alternate keys, like the Sector Seven or Golden Disk variations?[[User:KrytenKoro\|KrytenKoro]] 06:08, 1 August 2008 (UTC)

			==Toy Cyber Keys==
			I think more of a distinction can be made between "Cyber Planet Keys" and the keys that came with the toys. They aren't the same thing, right? There are only four "Cyber Planet Keys" but every toy had a key. The toy's keys just represent the power-up that came out of the sky in the cartoon, or something. Most of the character pages on this wiki use the term "Cyber Key" to describe the toy key, leading a Cybertron n00b like myself to think that "Cyber Keys" and "Cyber ''Planet'' Keys" are different. This article doesn't really clear things up.

			Also, I'm guessing there isn't any actual fiction to go along with keys included in some Movie and Universe (2008) redecos. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:36, 23 January 2009 (EST)
			:Adorably, ''force chips'' (The Japanese name for the Cyber Key) are actually in-fiction, a 3rd type of related artifact, all 3 represented by the same chunks of plastic. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:42, 23 January 2009 (EST)

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	:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)		:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

	::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.

Dark T Zeratul: Once again, we don't clear talk pages. We leave them in place because having an archive of discussions tends to shed insight on why certain things were done a certain way.

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Once again, we don't clear talk pages. We leave them in place because having an archive of discussions tends to shed insight on why certain things were done a certain way.

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	<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		I am not sure why so much of this page seems to be discussing the planets, not the keys. The title of the page seems a misnomer. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			Discussing the traits and differences of the planets is there to define what makes the keys unique from one another. The Keys essentially are the worlds they inhabit.

			: But... they're NOT unique from one another. They all do the exact same fucking damn vague BURNING HEART-O I MUST SUCCEED GIVE ME POWER-UP to whatever clot happens to be nearby at the time. What all this "different planet" hoo-ha boils down to is unrelated stuff or fanon, and either way, has no place on this page. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			::Pretty much. The keys themselves are identical other than design. They have nothing to do with the history of each planet. No unique powers, no nothing. This page needs the irrelevant info gone. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			I'm still wondering about how fanon some of these are, like the Planet X keys being Unicron's power (I mean, that's what I figure it is, but where's the canon that backs it up?). Also... I thought Planet X was IN that other dimension that Gigantion entered. Which is how Sideways and Soundwave can GET to Gigantion, aside from Plot Convenience. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			::Planet X traveled to this universe and attacked Gigalonia. There is some confusion concerning this. Gigalonia fell into a wormhole afterwards, which is why the Planet X agents don't know where it's at until they scan Jolt's memory. -BC


			I have a lot of misgivings about the changes Bodycount has made here. I freely admit that I only watched most Cybertron episodes once, so I'm sure I missed some pieces of the story, but like Siph says most this sounds really fanon-ish to me. I think it needs a lot of citations. Otherwise, I'm inclined to recommend reverting most of the changes. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 05:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::You guys are just biased against Cybertron. If you actually paid attention to the show, then you'd know this and don't fire back with "I dont pay attention because it sucks" crap, because that means you have no business being IN THIS ENTRY in the first place. The four keys are unique in what traits they granted to the four planets in question. There's a reason the jungle key makes a JUNGLE world and reformats guys into animals. Is this too hard for you to understand?
			::::Source the episode in which it is stated that the reason the Jungle Planet has animal TFs is because of the key itself, and we'll change it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			:::::That's what the whole planet thing was about! I'm sure its also a coincidence that when the keys were merged back into Cybertron's essense, the planet contained elements from each of the seperate keys and the planets they influenced? Oh, I also want to point out that Leobreaker says "The power to remake a planet, the power to remake a man..." this insists that they keys reformat the planet into the new traits. This is followed up by Leobreaker becoming an ANIMAL based Transformer, on an ANIMAL-based planet containing an ANIMAL-based key... That's evidence enough, but you apparenly want several repeats in the plot before you believe what the story is. Otherwise, why aren't there animal Transformers on Gigalonia? why aren't there giant builder robots on Jungle Planet? The keys containing Primus' influence directly evolved the life on those planets based upon the key's protocol, therefore each key is unique in what it influences. Just because some of you guys don't like the plot device of the key doesn't mean you have the right to discredit it's presense in the story.
			::::::Correlation does not equal causation. Each planet has a theme, and until we have anything to suggest otherwise, there's nothing more to it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.
			:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			::::::::: Also, Starscream grew huge using the powers of the three NON-Gigantion Keys, and didn't turn into an animal. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::::::::Starscream absorbed Primus' spark personally, You and I both know that is why he grew to super-size. Galvatron stole power from the giant key, but that's it. I want to point out that Galvatron is an anomoly in the story. His power can turn a key to his specific logo, then it can bend a key to his own power levels. He wouldn't grow because its not more power than he can contain. Oh, and Landmine grew when the giant key influenced him. I also want to point out that if all the keys were the same, Hot Shot could just use his normal key for a power boost. Why would he need to summon a red power key from the speed planet to increase his personal speed and racing abilities? Why couldn't Overhaul just use Cybertron's planet force to upgrade himself into Leobreaker? come on guys, stop ignoring the obvious and stop picking fights with me just because I'm able to rival your authority. --Bodycount.

			::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			:::::Please stop talking.
			::::::Okay, now you're just being an asshole, Bodycount. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			::::::You are certainly entitled to your opinions on other users, but the wiki is not the place for airing personal grievances. I'm going to have to ask you to please stick to discussing the article in question, not personally attacking other editors. --[[User:Suki Brits\|Suki Brits]] 22:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

			::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	~~I am not sure why so much of this page seems to be discussing the planets, not the keys. The title of the page seems a misnomer. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)~~		<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

	~~Discussing the traits and differences of the planets is there to define what makes the keys unique from one another. The Keys essentially are the worlds they inhabit.~~

	: But... they're NOT unique from one another. They all do the exact same fucking damn vague BURNING HEART-O I MUST SUCCEED GIVE ME POWER-UP to whatever clot happens to be nearby at the time. What all this "different planet" hoo-ha boils down to is unrelated stuff or fanon, and either way, has no place on this page. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	::Pretty much. The keys themselves are identical other than design. They have nothing to do with the history of each planet. No unique powers, no nothing. This page needs the irrelevant info gone. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	I'm still wondering about how fanon some of these are, like the Planet X keys being Unicron's power (I mean, that's what I figure it is, but where's the canon that backs it up?). Also... I thought Planet X was IN that other dimension that Gigantion entered. Which is how Sideways and Soundwave can GET to Gigantion, aside from Plot Convenience. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	::Planet X traveled to this universe and attacked Gigalonia. There is some confusion concerning this. Gigalonia fell into a wormhole afterwards, which is why the Planet X agents don't know where it's at until they scan Jolt's memory. -BC


	I have a lot of misgivings about the changes Bodycount has made here. I freely admit that I only watched most Cybertron episodes once, so I'm sure I missed some pieces of the story, but like Siph says most this sounds really fanon-ish to me. I think it needs a lot of citations. Otherwise, I'm inclined to recommend reverting most of the changes. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 05:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	:::You guys are just biased against Cybertron. If you actually paid attention to the show, then you'd know this and don't fire back with "I dont pay attention because it sucks" crap, because that means you have no business being IN THIS ENTRY in the first place. The four keys are unique in what traits they granted to the four planets in question. There's a reason the jungle key makes a JUNGLE world and reformats guys into animals. Is this too hard for you to understand?
	::::Source the episode in which it is stated that the reason the Jungle Planet has animal TFs is because of the key itself, and we'll change it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::::That's what the whole planet thing was about! I'm sure its also a coincidence that when the keys were merged back into Cybertron's essense, the planet contained elements from each of the seperate keys and the planets they influenced? Oh, I also want to point out that Leobreaker says "The power to remake a planet, the power to remake a man..." this insists that they keys reformat the planet into the new traits. This is followed up by Leobreaker becoming an ANIMAL based Transformer, on an ANIMAL-based planet containing an ANIMAL-based key... That's evidence enough, but you apparenly want several repeats in the plot before you believe what the story is. Otherwise, why aren't there animal Transformers on Gigalonia? why aren't there giant builder robots on Jungle Planet? The keys containing Primus' influence directly evolved the life on those planets based upon the key's protocol, therefore each key is unique in what it influences. Just because some of you guys don't like the plot device of the key doesn't mean you have the right to discredit it's presense in the story.
	::::::Correlation does not equal causation. Each planet has a theme, and until we have anything to suggest otherwise, there's nothing more to it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	~~:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.~~
	:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	~~::::::::: Also, Starscream grew huge using the powers of the three NON-Gigantion Keys, and didn't turn into an animal. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)~~

	:::::::::Starscream absorbed Primus' spark personally, You and I both know that is why he grew to super-size. Galvatron stole power from the giant key, but that's it. I want to point out that Galvatron is an anomoly in the story. His power can turn a key to his specific logo, then it can bend a key to his own power levels. He wouldn't grow because its not more power than he can contain. Oh, and Landmine grew when the giant key influenced him. I also want to point out that if all the keys were the same, Hot Shot could just use his normal key for a power boost. Why would he need to summon a red power key from the speed planet to increase his personal speed and racing abilities? Why couldn't Overhaul just use Cybertron's planet force to upgrade himself into Leobreaker? come on guys, stop ignoring the obvious and stop picking fights with me just because I'm able to rival your authority. --Bodycount.

	::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	~~:::::Please stop talking.~~
	~~::::::Okay, now you're just being an asshole, Bodycount. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)~~
	::::::You are certainly entitled to your opinions on other users, but the wiki is not the place for airing personal grievances. I'm going to have to ask you to please stick to discussing the article in question, not personally attacking other editors. --[[User:Suki Brits\|Suki Brits]] 22:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

	~~::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Dark T Zeratul: We don't clear out long talk pages here.

2007-03-30T05:29:22Z

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	<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		I am not sure why so much of this page seems to be discussing the planets, not the keys. The title of the page seems a misnomer. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			Discussing the traits and differences of the planets is there to define what makes the keys unique from one another. The Keys essentially are the worlds they inhabit.

			: But... they're NOT unique from one another. They all do the exact same fucking damn vague BURNING HEART-O I MUST SUCCEED GIVE ME POWER-UP to whatever clot happens to be nearby at the time. What all this "different planet" hoo-ha boils down to is unrelated stuff or fanon, and either way, has no place on this page. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			::Pretty much. The keys themselves are identical other than design. They have nothing to do with the history of each planet. No unique powers, no nothing. This page needs the irrelevant info gone. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			I'm still wondering about how fanon some of these are, like the Planet X keys being Unicron's power (I mean, that's what I figure it is, but where's the canon that backs it up?). Also... I thought Planet X was IN that other dimension that Gigantion entered. Which is how Sideways and Soundwave can GET to Gigantion, aside from Plot Convenience. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			::Planet X traveled to this universe and attacked Gigalonia. There is some confusion concerning this. Gigalonia fell into a wormhole afterwards, which is why the Planet X agents don't know where it's at until they scan Jolt's memory. -BC


			I have a lot of misgivings about the changes Bodycount has made here. I freely admit that I only watched most Cybertron episodes once, so I'm sure I missed some pieces of the story, but like Siph says most this sounds really fanon-ish to me. I think it needs a lot of citations. Otherwise, I'm inclined to recommend reverting most of the changes. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 05:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::You guys are just biased against Cybertron. If you actually paid attention to the show, then you'd know this and don't fire back with "I dont pay attention because it sucks" crap, because that means you have no business being IN THIS ENTRY in the first place. The four keys are unique in what traits they granted to the four planets in question. There's a reason the jungle key makes a JUNGLE world and reformats guys into animals. Is this too hard for you to understand?
			::::Source the episode in which it is stated that the reason the Jungle Planet has animal TFs is because of the key itself, and we'll change it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			:::::That's what the whole planet thing was about! I'm sure its also a coincidence that when the keys were merged back into Cybertron's essense, the planet contained elements from each of the seperate keys and the planets they influenced? Oh, I also want to point out that Leobreaker says "The power to remake a planet, the power to remake a man..." this insists that they keys reformat the planet into the new traits. This is followed up by Leobreaker becoming an ANIMAL based Transformer, on an ANIMAL-based planet containing an ANIMAL-based key... That's evidence enough, but you apparenly want several repeats in the plot before you believe what the story is. Otherwise, why aren't there animal Transformers on Gigalonia? why aren't there giant builder robots on Jungle Planet? The keys containing Primus' influence directly evolved the life on those planets based upon the key's protocol, therefore each key is unique in what it influences. Just because some of you guys don't like the plot device of the key doesn't mean you have the right to discredit it's presense in the story.
			::::::Correlation does not equal causation. Each planet has a theme, and until we have anything to suggest otherwise, there's nothing more to it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.
			:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			::::::::: Also, Starscream grew huge using the powers of the three NON-Gigantion Keys, and didn't turn into an animal. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::::::::Starscream absorbed Primus' spark personally, You and I both know that is why he grew to super-size. Galvatron stole power from the giant key, but that's it. I want to point out that Galvatron is an anomoly in the story. His power can turn a key to his specific logo, then it can bend a key to his own power levels. He wouldn't grow because its not more power than he can contain. Oh, and Landmine grew when the giant key influenced him. I also want to point out that if all the keys were the same, Hot Shot could just use his normal key for a power boost. Why would he need to summon a red power key from the speed planet to increase his personal speed and racing abilities? Why couldn't Overhaul just use Cybertron's planet force to upgrade himself into Leobreaker? come on guys, stop ignoring the obvious and stop picking fights with me just because I'm able to rival your authority. --Bodycount.

			::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			:::::Please stop talking.
			::::::Okay, now you're just being an asshole, Bodycount. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			::::::You are certainly entitled to your opinions on other users, but the wiki is not the place for airing personal grievances. I'm going to have to ask you to please stick to discussing the article in question, not personally attacking other editors. --[[User:Suki Brits\|Suki Brits]] 22:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

			::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	~~I am not sure why so much of this page seems to be discussing the planets, not the keys. The title of the page seems a misnomer. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 01:40, 18 December 2006 (UTC)~~		<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

	~~Discussing the traits and differences of the planets is there to define what makes the keys unique from one another. The Keys essentially are the worlds they inhabit.~~

	: But... they're NOT unique from one another. They all do the exact same fucking damn vague BURNING HEART-O I MUST SUCCEED GIVE ME POWER-UP to whatever clot happens to be nearby at the time. What all this "different planet" hoo-ha boils down to is unrelated stuff or fanon, and either way, has no place on this page. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:09, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	::Pretty much. The keys themselves are identical other than design. They have nothing to do with the history of each planet. No unique powers, no nothing. This page needs the irrelevant info gone. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:27, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	I'm still wondering about how fanon some of these are, like the Planet X keys being Unicron's power (I mean, that's what I figure it is, but where's the canon that backs it up?). Also... I thought Planet X was IN that other dimension that Gigantion entered. Which is how Sideways and Soundwave can GET to Gigantion, aside from Plot Convenience. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 05:51, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	::Planet X traveled to this universe and attacked Gigalonia. There is some confusion concerning this. Gigalonia fell into a wormhole afterwards, which is why the Planet X agents don't know where it's at until they scan Jolt's memory. -BC


	I have a lot of misgivings about the changes Bodycount has made here. I freely admit that I only watched most Cybertron episodes once, so I'm sure I missed some pieces of the story, but like Siph says most this sounds really fanon-ish to me. I think it needs a lot of citations. Otherwise, I'm inclined to recommend reverting most of the changes. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 05:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	:::You guys are just biased against Cybertron. If you actually paid attention to the show, then you'd know this and don't fire back with "I dont pay attention because it sucks" crap, because that means you have no business being IN THIS ENTRY in the first place. The four keys are unique in what traits they granted to the four planets in question. There's a reason the jungle key makes a JUNGLE world and reformats guys into animals. Is this too hard for you to understand?
	::::Source the episode in which it is stated that the reason the Jungle Planet has animal TFs is because of the key itself, and we'll change it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 20:41, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::::That's what the whole planet thing was about! I'm sure its also a coincidence that when the keys were merged back into Cybertron's essense, the planet contained elements from each of the seperate keys and the planets they influenced? Oh, I also want to point out that Leobreaker says "The power to remake a planet, the power to remake a man..." this insists that they keys reformat the planet into the new traits. This is followed up by Leobreaker becoming an ANIMAL based Transformer, on an ANIMAL-based planet containing an ANIMAL-based key... That's evidence enough, but you apparenly want several repeats in the plot before you believe what the story is. Otherwise, why aren't there animal Transformers on Gigalonia? why aren't there giant builder robots on Jungle Planet? The keys containing Primus' influence directly evolved the life on those planets based upon the key's protocol, therefore each key is unique in what it influences. Just because some of you guys don't like the plot device of the key doesn't mean you have the right to discredit it's presense in the story.
	::::::Correlation does not equal causation. Each planet has a theme, and until we have anything to suggest otherwise, there's nothing more to it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	~~:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.~~
	:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	~~::::::::: Also, Starscream grew huge using the powers of the three NON-Gigantion Keys, and didn't turn into an animal. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)~~

	:::::::::Starscream absorbed Primus' spark personally, You and I both know that is why he grew to super-size. Galvatron stole power from the giant key, but that's it. I want to point out that Galvatron is an anomoly in the story. His power can turn a key to his specific logo, then it can bend a key to his own power levels. He wouldn't grow because its not more power than he can contain. Oh, and Landmine grew when the giant key influenced him. I also want to point out that if all the keys were the same, Hot Shot could just use his normal key for a power boost. Why would he need to summon a red power key from the speed planet to increase his personal speed and racing abilities? Why couldn't Overhaul just use Cybertron's planet force to upgrade himself into Leobreaker? come on guys, stop ignoring the obvious and stop picking fights with me just because I'm able to rival your authority. --Bodycount.

	::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	~~:::::Please stop talking.~~
	~~::::::Okay, now you're just being an asshole, Bodycount. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:23, 18 December 2006 (UTC)~~
	::::::You are certainly entitled to your opinions on other users, but the wiki is not the place for airing personal grievances. I'm going to have to ask you to please stick to discussing the article in question, not personally attacking other editors. --[[User:Suki Brits\|Suki Brits]] 22:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

	~~::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

64.250.216.102 at 00:44, 26 December 2006

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	:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::::::: Also, Starscream grew huge using the powers of the three NON-Gigantion Keys, and didn't turn into an animal. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)		::::::::: Also, Starscream grew huge using the powers of the three NON-Gigantion Keys, and didn't turn into an animal. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::::::::Starscream absorbed Primus' spark personally, You and I both know that is why he grew to super-size. Galvatron stole power from the giant key, but that's it. I want to point out that Galvatron is an anomoly in the story. His power can turn a key to his specific logo, then it can bend a key to his own power levels. He wouldn't grow because its not more power than he can contain. Oh, and Landmine grew when the giant key influenced him. I also want to point out that if all the keys were the same, Hot Shot could just use his normal key for a power boost. Why would he need to summon a red power key from the speed planet to increase his personal speed and racing abilities? Why couldn't Overhaul just use Cybertron's planet force to upgrade himself into Leobreaker? come on guys, stop ignoring the obvious and stop picking fights with me just because I'm able to rival your authority. --Bodycount.

	::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Please stop talking.		:::::Please stop talking.
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	::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

			::::::I am banned because of bias against me personally. I was not the intial aggressor in this discussion, so don't act like I'm here just to start trouble.<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	::::::You are certainly entitled to your opinions on other users, but the wiki is not the place for airing personal grievances. I'm going to have to ask you to please stick to discussing the article in question, not personally attacking other editors. --[[User:Suki Brits\|Suki Brits]] 22:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		::::::You are certainly entitled to your opinions on other users, but the wiki is not the place for airing personal grievances. I'm going to have to ask you to please stick to discussing the article in question, not personally attacking other editors. --[[User:Suki Brits\|Suki Brits]] 22:28, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

	::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::::Why would you think I'm biased against Cybertron? I thought it was a great series. There's almost nothing about it that I disliked. It seems like maybe the disagreement going on here is that you are speculating a bit more than the rest of us are comfortable with, at least based on the way you've initially written things. You are making inferences based on fragmentary evidence, which is okay, but it needs to be stated that way when you write it up. The stuff you contributed yesterday was written very authoritatively, as if there was no ambiguity, and that's overstepping our bounds. Again, if you can cite specific statements from the series, that's one thing, but you haven't really done that. "The power to remake a planet" does not necessarily mean that the key was predisposed to making whatever planet it ended up on turn into a jungle/beast world. It could easily just mean that the key is really powerful. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 22:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

			:::::Steve-o has it. There is a certain logic to what Bodycount is saying. There are certain things said and done that suggest the keys shape the nature of the planet. But it's not clearly stated, and it's not presented consistently. It's fragmentary. But this is the problem - Bodycount decides upon a certain way to see a thing, and then will absolutely not entertain the notion that any way other than his way is correct. I recall the time on TFArchive.net that he said "My opinion is fact to me." There is, after all, a reason this guy is pretty much universally banned everywhere. - 00:10, 19 December 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

M Sipher at 00:03, 19 December 2006

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	:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.		:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.
	:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
			::::::::: Also, Starscream grew huge using the powers of the three NON-Gigantion Keys, and didn't turn into an animal. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 00:03, 19 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Please stop talking.		:::::Please stop talking.

ItsWalky at 23:53, 18 December 2006

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	::::::Correlation does not equal causation. Each planet has a theme, and until we have anything to suggest otherwise, there's nothing more to it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		::::::Correlation does not equal causation. Each planet has a theme, and until we have anything to suggest otherwise, there's nothing more to it. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.		:::::::The Leobreaker qoute confirms exactly what I'm saying. Put your bias somewhere else.
			:::::::: The powers of the Cyber Planet Keys are more inconsistent than you are claiming. Overhaul is reborn as Leobreaker, but when Galvatron calls on the power of the Gigantion Planet Key, it merely changes his colors and makes him stronger. If your idea were correct, it would have made him grow large and transform into a construction vehicle. Clearly the Cyber Planet Keys can do whatever they want arbitrarily as the plot requires. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 23:53, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)		::::OH, THAT'S why I've been rewatching the Cybertron episodes and making pages for the episodes! I'm obviously biased AGAINST Cybertron and hate it! And Steve-o CLEARLY said he thought Cybertron sucks! Oh wait, you're just spewing untrue shit. Again. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 21:14, 18 December 2006 (UTC)
	:::::Please stop talking.		:::::Please stop talking.