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Geewunling at 14:27, 7 December 2009

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199.94.74.239 at 22:51, 26 September 2009

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	It is called the Darkside in the episode blurbs for Equal Measures and Spider's Game in the episode guide for the season 1 Box set. I don't know how much weight that carries, but it is there.[[User:Tantrum\|Tantrum]]		It is called the Darkside in the episode blurbs for Equal Measures and Spider's Game in the episode guide for the season 1 Box set. I don't know how much weight that carries, but it is there.[[User:Tantrum\|Tantrum]]
	: Why... so it does. Huzzah! Man. Why wasn't the toy called that? Lame Hasbro! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)		: Why... so it does. Huzzah! Man. Why wasn't the toy called that? Lame Hasbro! --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 03:56, 16 May 2006 (UTC)

			Random thought: given that Megatron's rubber ducky is more-or-less given a personality of it's own on it's page, should it be listed as a crew member? Possibly as "Advisor to Megatron" or "The One"? Feel free to completely ignore this, it's just a thought. --[[Special:Contributions/199.94.74.239\|199.94.74.239]] 18:51, 26 September 2009 (EDT)

	==Darkside/Darksyde==		==Darkside/Darksyde==

ItsWalky: /* Excelsior */

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Excelsior

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	::I was thinking Star Trek reference. It certainly shouldn't be a Trivia note on ''this'' page, as the question has nothing to do with the Predacon ship. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:46, 9 May 2009 (EDT)		::I was thinking Star Trek reference. It certainly shouldn't be a Trivia note on ''this'' page, as the question has nothing to do with the Predacon ship. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:46, 9 May 2009 (EDT)
			:::The only reason this trivia note would be notable at all is if the fourth ship name, the Excelsior, were an unused name for the Predacon ship. Since it's just a filler-answer that's a Star Trek reference, it doesn't belong on any page. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 15:53, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

KilMichaelMcC: /* Excelsior */

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	:I suspect it's a Marvel reference-- the Kree are another filler answer later on-- but it's interesting enough to be worth a trivia note I think. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:58, 9 May 2009 (EDT)		:I suspect it's a Marvel reference-- the Kree are another filler answer later on-- but it's interesting enough to be worth a trivia note I think. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:58, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

			::I was thinking Star Trek reference. It certainly shouldn't be a Trivia note on ''this'' page, as the question has nothing to do with the Predacon ship. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 15:46, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Derik: /* Excelsior */

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	There used to be a trivia quiz on the official Beast Wars website, viewable [http://web.archive.org/web/20010817132347/beastwars.com/default.asp?x=bw_trivia here]. Question 5 lists four ship names, one of these being "Excelsior". As there were only 4 major ships in the Beast Wars cartoon, is it possible that 'Excelsior' was the original intended name for the ship? [[User:Megatronacepticon\|Megatronacepticon]] 09:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)		There used to be a trivia quiz on the official Beast Wars website, viewable [http://web.archive.org/web/20010817132347/beastwars.com/default.asp?x=bw_trivia here]. Question 5 lists four ship names, one of these being "Excelsior". As there were only 4 major ships in the Beast Wars cartoon, is it possible that 'Excelsior' was the original intended name for the ship? [[User:Megatronacepticon\|Megatronacepticon]] 09:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
			:4.What is the name of the Maximal ship?
			::A. The Axalon
			::B. The Ark
			::C. Nemesis
			::D. Excelsior

			:I suspect it's a Marvel reference-- the Kree are another filler answer later on-- but it's interesting enough to be worth a trivia note I think. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:58, 9 May 2009 (EDT)

Megatronacepticon: /* Excelsior */ new section

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	I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.		I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.
	I guess we can wait and see what the BW MtMtE uses.-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)		I guess we can wait and see what the BW MtMtE uses.-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

			== Excelsior ==

			There used to be a trivia quiz on the official Beast Wars website, viewable [http://web.archive.org/web/20010817132347/beastwars.com/default.asp?x=bw_trivia here]. Question 5 lists four ship names, one of these being "Excelsior". As there were only 4 major ships in the Beast Wars cartoon, is it possible that 'Excelsior' was the original intended name for the ship? [[User:Megatronacepticon\|Megatronacepticon]] 09:54, 27 November 2008 (UTC)

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	I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.		I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.
	I guess we can wait and see what the BW MtMtE uses.-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		I guess we can wait and see what the BW MtMtE uses.-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

ItsWalky: Talk:Darkside moved to Talk:Darksyde: I think the convention comic wins out over the spelling used in the DVD sets.

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Talk:Darkside moved to Talk:Darksyde: I think the convention comic wins out over the spelling used in the DVD sets.

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	I'm kind of confused as to why some people are considering Botcon material more weighty than an equally-officially-licensed video game. In both cases it's simply a matter of "some guy" writing the name the way he felt like writing it and then having Hasbro stamp it because they don't care. If it were a toy directly from Hasbro rather than a convention exclusive, I could see it holding more weight, but... it's not. I see no reason at all to move the article to the new spelling, although a redirect should definitely be there. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)		I'm kind of confused as to why some people are considering Botcon material more weighty than an equally-officially-licensed video game. In both cases it's simply a matter of "some guy" writing the name the way he felt like writing it and then having Hasbro stamp it because they don't care. If it were a toy directly from Hasbro rather than a convention exclusive, I could see it holding more weight, but... it's not. I see no reason at all to move the article to the new spelling, although a redirect should definitely be there. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
			:Although no one else has used ''quite'' the same reasoning as I have, I think what I alluded to earlier (i.e., the Botcon toys are ''toys'' as opposed to other kinds of merchandise. In case of conflict, toys should be given primacy, since Transformers are, after all, toys.) should carry some weight.--[[User:71.109.91.2\|71.109.91.2]] 03:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

	I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.		I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.
	I guess we can wait and see what the BW MtMtE uses.-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		I guess we can wait and see what the BW MtMtE uses.-[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 02:06, 11 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:I'm with Kil.		:I'm with Kil.

	*This is not a new, changed name, we are to understand that this had always been the name, it's just having its official spelling ~~declaeed~~ now, much as was the case witht he Elita 1 model kit years after the fact, or Paradron.		*This is not a new, changed name, we are to understand that this had always been the name, it's just having its official spelling declared now, much as was the case witht he Elita One model kit years after the fact, or Paradron.

	*Other sources are 'we sounded out the spelling from the TV show,~~a nd~~ this is ~~hwo~~ we think it's spelled.' Legitimacy for their spelling comes from the show, not the author of the DVD summaries. This spelling does not come from the show- the spelling comes from viewers of the show.		*Other sources are 'we sounded out the spelling from the TV show, and this is how we think it's spelled.' Legitimacy for their spelling comes from the show, not the author of the DVD summaries. This spelling does not come from the show- the spelling comes from viewers of the show.

	*This toy packaging is the first source to declare a spelling on the basis of its own authority to do so.		*This toy packaging is the first source to declare a spelling on the basis of its own authority to do so.

	*Fundamentally, the LACK of a name on the Predacon Ship with BW10 Megatron, followed months later by the first OFFICIAL name boosts Darksyde's legitimacy considerably. Darkside, despite having been in ~~rottion sicne~~ 1999 in Game booklets and such was not, in Hasbro's opinion, official enough to make it onto the toy. (or at least nto Copywritten ~~renough~~, whatever.)		*Fundamentally, the LACK of a name on the Predacon Ship with BW10 Megatron, followed months later by the first OFFICIAL name boosts Darksyde's legitimacy considerably. Darkside, despite having been in rotation since 1999 in Game booklets and such was not, in Hasbro's opinion, official enough to make it onto the toy. (or at least nto Copywritten enough, whatever.)

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	* We've never gotten ANYTHING from Hasbro with 'Darkside' as a spelling.		* We've never gotten ANYTHING from Hasbro with 'Darkside' as a spelling.

	It's ~~nto elevatign~~ a new spelling over the old so much as- I dont' think it ever HAD an old official spelling. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)		It's not elevating a new spelling over the old so much as- I dont' think it ever HAD an old official spelling. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:08, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

	:Well, we've got the "Equal Measures" script itself on Ben Yee's website.		:Well, we've got the "Equal Measures" script itself on Ben Yee's website.
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	:According to Pete Sinclair, he submitted the name as "Darksyde" to avoid possible trademark infringement with George Lucas, without even trying for "Darkside"; granted, so far as I know trademarks, if they couldn't get "Darkside", there's no way they could have gotten "Darksyde" either - for the same reason we don't have knockoff "Spyder-Man" toys floating around. Still, this is a digression on my part.		:According to Pete Sinclair, he submitted the name as "Darksyde" to avoid possible trademark infringement with George Lucas, without even trying for "Darkside"; granted, so far as I know trademarks, if they couldn't get "Darkside", there's no way they could have gotten "Darksyde" either - for the same reason we don't have knockoff "Spyder-Man" toys floating around. Still, this is a digression on my part.

	:I would call this situation fundamentally different from the Elita-1/Paradron situation because people made up spellings for those two without having access to the scripts. We HAVE access to the Equal Measures script - it's just that "Darkside" was never supposed to be the ship's name in the FIRST PLACE. But it is ''now'', so I can only complain so much.		:I would call this situation fundamentally different from the Elita One/Paradron situation because people made up spellings for those two without having access to the scripts. We HAVE access to the Equal Measures script - it's just that "Darkside" was never supposed to be the ship's name in the FIRST PLACE. But it is ''now'', so I can only complain so much.

	:As to the actual matter of what to call the article... I'm not sure. I'll have to think about it some more. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] 01:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)		:As to the actual matter of what to call the article... I'm not sure. I'll have to think about it some more. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] 01:23, 9 July 2006 (UTC)

	I'm kind of confused as to why some people are considering ~~Botcon~~ material more weighty than an equally-officially-licensed video game. In both cases it's simply a matter of "some guy" writing the name the way he felt like writing it and then having Hasbro stamp it because they don't care. If it were a toy directly from Hasbro rather than a convention exclusive, I could see it holding more weight, but... it's not. I see no reason at all to move the article to the new spelling, although a redirect should definitely be there. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)		I'm kind of confused as to why some people are considering BotCon material more weighty than an equally-officially-licensed video game. In both cases it's simply a matter of "some guy" writing the name the way he felt like writing it and then having Hasbro stamp it because they don't care. If it were a toy directly from Hasbro rather than a convention exclusive, I could see it holding more weight, but... it's not. I see no reason at all to move the article to the new spelling, although a redirect should definitely be there. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 16:53, 10 July 2006 (UTC)
	:Although no one else has used ''quite'' the same reasoning as I have, I think what I alluded to earlier (i.e., the ~~Botcon~~ toys are ''toys'' as opposed to other kinds of merchandise. In case of conflict, toys should be given primacy, since Transformers are, after all, toys.) should carry some weight.--[[User:71.109.91.2\|71.109.91.2]] 03:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)		:Although no one else has used ''quite'' the same reasoning as I have, I think what I alluded to earlier (i.e., the BotCon toys are ''toys'' as opposed to other kinds of merchandise. In case of conflict, toys should be given primacy, since Transformers are, after all, toys.) should carry some weight.--[[User:71.109.91.2\|71.109.91.2]] 03:57, 11 July 2006 (UTC)

	I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.		I think it holds more weight because this is the spelling likely to dominate in any future releases/references.