Talk:Double Punch (G1) - Revision history

CyclonustheWarrior: Undo revision 1792424 by CyclonustheWarrior (talk) Moved it myself

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Undo revision 1792424 by CyclonustheWarrior (talk) Moved it myself

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	~~== Move ==~~
	Since we have ROTB Double Punch now, can we move this page to '''Double Punch (G1)'''?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior\|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior\|talk]]) 12:44, 20 October 2024 (EDT)

CyclonustheWarrior: CyclonustheWarrior moved page Talk:Double Punch to Talk:Double Punch (G1): Studio Series has introduced a ROTB version of Double Punch.

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CyclonustheWarrior moved page Talk:Double Punch to Talk:Double Punch (G1): Studio Series has introduced a ROTB version of Double Punch.

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			== Move ==
			Since we have ROTB Double Punch now, can we move this page to '''Double Punch (G1)'''?--[[User:CyclonustheWarrior\|CyclonustheWarrior]] ([[User talk:CyclonustheWarrior\|talk]]) 12:44, 20 October 2024 (EDT)

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	Why should it be merged with the BW character page? Are they supposed to be the same character or something? --[[User:Might Gaine\|Might Gaine]] 16:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)		Why should it be merged with the BW character page? Are they supposed to be the same character or something? --[[User:Might Gaine\|Might Gaine]] 16:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
	:Evidently, though it's not been discussed for months, apparently. --[[User:FFN\|FFN]] 16:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)		:Evidently, though it's not been discussed for months, apparently. --[[User:FFN\|FFN]] 16:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

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	::::::Thanks, Doug. Given that these characters are in the same continuity family and have the same name, same altmode, and large chunks of the same text in their bio profiles, I'd say we are on very safe ground and are operating under clear wiki precedent to merge them. For those into author intent, we've only found material for sameness, and none against. It also helps that it's a total non-character who never actually did anything until last week--there is no risk of overwriting or erasing another history. So, uh, merge? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 12:09, 6 July 2010 (EDT)		::::::Thanks, Doug. Given that these characters are in the same continuity family and have the same name, same altmode, and large chunks of the same text in their bio profiles, I'd say we are on very safe ground and are operating under clear wiki precedent to merge them. For those into author intent, we've only found material for sameness, and none against. It also helps that it's a total non-character who never actually did anything until last week--there is no risk of overwriting or erasing another history. So, uh, merge? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 12:09, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
	:::::::Merge. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] 12:57, 6 July 2010 (EDT)		:::::::Merge. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] 12:57, 6 July 2010 (EDT)

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Thylacine 2000: New page: Why should it be merged with the BW character page? Are they supposed to be the same character or something? --Might Gaine 16:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC) :Evidently, thou...

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New page: Why should it be merged with the BW character page? Are they supposed to be the same character or something? --Might Gaine 16:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC) :Evidently, thou...

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Why should it be merged with the BW character page? Are they supposed to be the same character or something? --[[User:Might Gaine|Might Gaine]] 16:45, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
:Evidently, though it's not been discussed for months, apparently. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 16:47, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

{{see|Talk:Double Punch (BW)}}

== Australasia ==

I didn't know that was a word. That isn't a typo is it? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 20:28, 19 October 2009 (EDT)
: No, it's a term for the Australia, New Zealand, and the nearby bits of SE Asia. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 20:52, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

==Transplanted from Talk:Double Punch (BW)==

Wait... this is the same character as G1 Double Punch. This needs to not be a separate entry. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 05:57, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
:I vaguely recall hearing something like that, but we're gonna need a citation. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 05:34, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:: Fumihiko's BC book says nothing about them being the same character, only that BW Double's name was an homage to G1 Double, what with the altmodes. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 05:38, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::: The BW Sourcebook gives BW Double Punch the function of "Killer Elite," which may be a nod towards G1 Double Punch's subgroup, but their bios are nothing alike. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:43, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
:::: IIRC, G1 Double Punch and BW Double Punch are different persons unless this factor is changed/reconned someday --[[User:TX55|TX55]] 05:47, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

In addition to the homage-function, the tech-spec repreats a couple key phrases; '''Usually aligns with both sides in an argument just to advance his own position in Decepticon/Destron ranks.''' and '''Cunning and cynical'''.

I'm fairly sure there was an explicit statement fro someone that they were supposed to be the same character- but it's pretty clear even without that. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:00, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

:''"According to [Ichikawa], the only direct contributions Fumihiko's had to any of the specs Ichikawa-san's done is to request that Barbearian/Grizzly-1 be a berserker and that Double Punch be the same character as the Action Master."''

:[http://groups.google.com/group/alt.toys.transformers/msg/0f5f554efa5334ad Quoth the Doug].

:So... yeah. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 06:22, 5 November 2007 (UTC)
::It's way less explicit than Laserbeak/Lazorbeak, and those aren't the same guy. I don't think we can combine these. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 06:28, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
:::The characters have the same name, have the same schtick, and a function intended to reference the other, and actually are ''intended'' to be the same character.
:::...whyever not?
:::worth nting that the IDW profile book says he's been an assasain for jsut the last few centuries-- which means he took that profession ~ when G1 ended. So the IDW version's backstory doesn't even conflict with them being the same guy.-[[User:Derik|Derik]] 08:57, 12 November 2007 (UTC)

:::Based on what I've read on this talk page, I would be slightly in favor of a page merge, but, a more conservative solution would be like on [[Lazorbeak]]'s page (since Chip brought him up): a notice near the top that says "he might very well be the same guy, but we aren't totally sure". --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 22:01, 12 November 2007 (UTC)
::::To add weight to ''why'' I think the IDW Guidebook's "hundreds of stellar cycles as an assassin" is significant...
::::The [http://www.botcon.com/archive/story/2001/page1.jpg 3H timeline] explicitly states what BW takes place 300 years (plus change) after TF:TM. I think the phrasing of Double Punch's IDW BW profile was ''deliberate'' on Ben Yee's part to specifically to accommodate Double Punchs's different status during G1-- thus the profile goes out of its way to say BW Double Punch's long history as an assassin specifically began ''after'' the period his (non-assassin) Action Master Elite toy represents. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 17:26, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

==So is he the same or not?==
I had never heard of this before, but don't we usually consider BW characters to "be" their G1 analogues if the bios include the same phrasing? It worked for Shadow Panther, didn't it? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 00:31, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
: Apparently the creators of BW Double Punch specifically declared him an homage and not the same dude as the G1 guy. Which is kind of silly, since they're practically identical and from the same universe, but... --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 00:40, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::Do you remember where they declared that? The Doug Dlin thread linked above only mentions authorial intent for same-character status, not against. Also, do we have any Japanese-readers who own [[Beast Wars Universe]]? DP has a writeup in there that mentions "G1 Action Master Elite" but, of course, everything else is in Japanese. It just seems--as you noted--stupidly close for it to not be meant to be him. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 22:49, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I'd love to merge the two, but I keep thinking there's something out there that proves otherwise. If we can't find that thing, then I guess we should merge. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:04, 5 July 2010 (EDT)
::::The ''Sourcebook'' doesn't have any relevant information. Just the same general personality trait of being a double-faced politician. Considering its fanwank-happy approach, I'm surprised the book didn't make a definitive connection. I'd just go ahead and merge, anyway, unless ''Beast Wars Universe'' says otherwise. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 00:09, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::''Also, do we have any Japanese-readers who own [[Beast Wars Universe]]?''
:::::''DING!''
:::::Sorry to disappoint, but all ''BWU'' says is that 1) Double Punch is a Predacon scorpion, a repaint of Scorponok molded in transparent red plastic, and 2) another scorpion TF of the same name was sold in Europe under the "Action Master Elite" category during the G1 era. Nothing more explicit (or implicit) than that.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 01:16, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Thanks, Doug. Given that these characters are in the same continuity family and have the same name, same altmode, and large chunks of the same text in their bio profiles, I'd say we are on very safe ground and are operating under clear wiki precedent to merge them. For those into author intent, we've only found material for sameness, and none against. It also helps that it's a total non-character who never actually did anything until last week--there is no risk of overwriting or erasing another history. So, uh, merge? --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 12:09, 6 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Merge. --[[User:Ascendron|Ascendron]] 12:57, 6 July 2010 (EDT)