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	::::: There's about to be, with G1 Goldbug likely being a separate dude in Spotlight: Metroplex. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::: There's about to be, with G1 Goldbug likely being a separate dude in Spotlight: Metroplex. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::: There are also two [[Bombshell (G1)\|Bombshell]]s in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::: There are also two [[Bombshell (G1)\|Bombshell]]s in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (~~Scorponok~~)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (G1)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

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	It really is that simple. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 11:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		It really is that simple. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 11:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	:Xaaron's right. [[T-Wrecks]]'s tech specs intend him to be Grimlock, but fiction says otherwise. [[Dropshot (Universe)]] it is. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:Xaaron's right. [[T-Wrecks]]'s tech specs intend him to be Grimlock, but fiction says otherwise. Dropshot (Universe) it is. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

	=Talk:Dropshot (Universe)=		=Talk:Dropshot (Universe)=

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	::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell (G1)\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell (G1)\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::If he is moved, I nominate Dropshot (Classic series) and re-nominate Bombshell (All Hail Megatron). - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:::If he is moved, I nominate Dropshot (Classic series) and re-nominate Bombshell (All Hail Megatron). - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to [[Dropshot (Universe)]]. Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to Dropshot (Universe). Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

	The Dreamwave profiles had similar clashes with the Marvel ones (most Noticable on the Targetmaster partners.)		The Dreamwave profiles had similar clashes with the Marvel ones (most Noticable on the Targetmaster partners.)

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	It really is that simple. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 11:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		It really is that simple. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 11:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	:Xaaron's right. [[T-Wrecks]]'s tech specs intend him to be Grimlock, but fiction says otherwise. [[Dropshot (Universe)]] it is. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:Xaaron's right. [[T-Wrecks]]'s tech specs intend him to be Grimlock, but fiction says otherwise. [[Dropshot (Universe)]] it is. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

			=Talk:Dropshot (Universe)=
			"Classics"? I don't think that's appropriate here. "Classics" rather specifically refers to the FP continuity that uses the "Classics" toys, doesn't it? G1-esque Universe 2.0 figures that show up in IDW G1-esque comics aren't "Classics."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:07, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:Wasn't he marked "Classics Series" on the packaging?--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:08, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			::Yes, he was. His packaging specifically said he was Classics. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:19, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:::You mean "Classic Series." There's no S. I tend to think of that component of the Universe line as separate from Classics-proper. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:33, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			::::You're right. Classic Series Prowl isn't part of the rest of Classics-which-is-G1-characters-reimagined-with-new-toys because there's no S. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:43, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:::::Classic Series Prowl ''isn't'' part of Classics-the-franchise-which-ended-before-his-toy-was-released-in-a-different-franchise. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			::::::....so, should we take the "Armada Series" Mini-Cons out of the "Armada characters" category? --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:54, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:::::::Heh. I had, in fact, just thought of that one myself. And no, that would be stupid. Still, it never would have occurred to me that Dropshot was be viewed as a "Classics character." But, for the sake of consistency, this article should probably remain in that category. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:57, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

			== Variation or factory error? ==

			[http://www.bwtf.com/toyreview-images/universe2/dropshot/rm5.jpg Ben Yee reviewed a Dropshot without paint on his face.] --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)
			: Might just not be the final production version. I think Ben gets samples from Hasbro. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:21, 6 February 2010 (EST)

			== Universe Dropshot = G1 Dropshot? ==

			Given that we have both the Micromaster and Cybertronian versions of IDW Blackjack on the same page despite their contradictory everything, and would probably do the same for Tailwind if Windrim didn't exist, should this page be merged with Dropshot (G1)? Even if not, I think the Universe Dropshot toy should probably go on G1 Dropshot's page as well as this one. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 11:31, 24 July 2015 (EDT)
			:I've noticed this too. And I've thought of a potential solution. We reclassified the Gorlamite Tailwind as his Japanese counterpart Windrim. Why don't we do the same for the Gorlamite Dropshot since there is also a separate Japanese Dropshot? And then merge ''Universe'' 2008 Dropshot with G1 Dropshot. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 01:16, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
			::I feel like we should avoid being clever for the sake of being clever. --[[User:Giggidy\|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy\|talk]]) 02:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
			:::I think we started with cleverness-for-the-sake-of-cleverness when we moved Gorlamite Tailwind to Windrim, but I do kind of agree that moving Gorlamite Dropshot to ROC Dropshot would be a little obtuse. I wouldn't object to it, as long as there was a note in G1 Dropshot's IDW G1 continuity entry, but if you're doing that then you might as well just leave them on the same page. In any case, though, this page should probably be Blackjacked. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 05:05, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

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			Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
	Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

	:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)		:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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	::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

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	Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud ~~(G1)~~\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)		Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

	:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)		:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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	::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[~~Storm Cloud (G1)\|~~Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

Tigerpaw28: /* Dropshot personalities */ Removing dead links.

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Dropshot personalities: Removing dead links.

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	:Strength 10, Intelligence 7, Speed 9, Endurace 6, Teamwork/Rank 7, Courage 9, Firepower 7, Skill 9. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:17, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:Strength 10, Intelligence 7, Speed 9, Endurace 6, Teamwork/Rank 7, Courage 9, Firepower 7, Skill 9. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:17, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell (G1)\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell (G1)\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::If he is moved, I nominate [[Dropshot (Classic series)]] and re-nominate [[Bombshell (All Hail Megatron)]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:::If he is moved, I nominate Dropshot (Classic series) and re-nominate Bombshell (All Hail Megatron). - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to [[Dropshot (Universe)]]. Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to [[Dropshot (Universe)]]. Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

Deceptitran: BOT: replacing (2) links to "Bombshell" with "Bombshell (G1)"

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BOT: replacing (2) links to "Bombshell" with "Bombshell (G1)"

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	::::: What are you basing that on? One turns into an armored car with a turret gun, the other into a missile trailer. Micromaster Dropshot's MTMTE bio marks him as a masochist, Universe Dropshot's bio as simply hostile. The Micromaster Patrol members don't HAVE separate Tech Specs, they have different color schemes, so really...what evidence is there of "same character intent"? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::: What are you basing that on? One turns into an armored car with a turret gun, the other into a missile trailer. Micromaster Dropshot's MTMTE bio marks him as a masochist, Universe Dropshot's bio as simply hostile. The Micromaster Patrol members don't HAVE separate Tech Specs, they have different color schemes, so really...what evidence is there of "same character intent"? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::: There's about to be, with G1 Goldbug likely being a separate dude in Spotlight: Metroplex. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::: There's about to be, with G1 Goldbug likely being a separate dude in Spotlight: Metroplex. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::: There are also two [[Bombshell]]s in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::: There are also two [[Bombshell (G1)\|Bombshell]]s in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
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	:Strength 10, Intelligence 7, Speed 9, Endurace 6, Teamwork/Rank 7, Courage 9, Firepower 7, Skill 9. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:17, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:Strength 10, Intelligence 7, Speed 9, Endurace 6, Teamwork/Rank 7, Courage 9, Firepower 7, Skill 9. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:17, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell (G1)\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::If he is moved, I nominate [[Dropshot (Classic series)]] and re-nominate [[Bombshell (All Hail Megatron)]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:::If he is moved, I nominate [[Dropshot (Classic series)]] and re-nominate [[Bombshell (All Hail Megatron)]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to [[Dropshot (Universe)]]. Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to [[Dropshot (Universe)]]. Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

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	It really is that simple. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 11:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		It really is that simple. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 11:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
			:Xaaron's right. [[T-Wrecks]]'s tech specs intend him to be Grimlock, but fiction says otherwise. [[Dropshot (Universe)]] it is. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

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Dropshot personalities

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	::<small><small>(This train of thought makes my face crunch up, because there's some weird timeline stuff and racial mysteries in Movie story, and I really hope it's not a result of world-cloning and the need to create an artificial substitute for Primus that needs to be renewed by draining power instead of being self-renewing.)</small></small>		::<small><small>(This train of thought makes my face crunch up, because there's some weird timeline stuff and racial mysteries in Movie story, and I really hope it's not a result of world-cloning and the need to create an artificial substitute for Primus that needs to be renewed by draining power instead of being self-renewing.)</small></small>
	::Anyway-- MM Dropshot has hundreds or thousands of years of missing time where he was involved with dimension-jumpers. His own origins are a mystery. I think there's enough ambiguity there to simply note- "How odd, he's in two places at once," and move on. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:15, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::Anyway-- MM Dropshot has hundreds or thousands of years of missing time where he was involved with dimension-jumpers. His own origins are a mystery. I think there's enough ambiguity there to simply note- "How odd, he's in two places at once," and move on. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:15, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

			Here's the bottom line as I see it: Even if we accept as '''fact''' that Universe Dropshot was '''intended''' to be MM Dropshot, it's still just an intent, an implication. Yes, many people ''want'' them to be the same. Yes, one can certainly backtrack the Bios and Tech Specs and see a ''connection'' between Universe Dropshot and the Decepticon Military Patrol. Yes, one can craft massive [[fanon]] explanations for how the Gorlam Prime Micromaster is connected to the Decepticon on Earth in AHM. But, the facts are these.

			(1) There is no official source which expressly indicates that the two Dropshots are the same.<br>
			(2) There is an official source which expressly indicates that the two Dropshots are two different characters.

			It really is that simple. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 11:31, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

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	::::: There's about to be, with G1 Goldbug likely being a separate dude in Spotlight: Metroplex. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::: There's about to be, with G1 Goldbug likely being a separate dude in Spotlight: Metroplex. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 19:36, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::: There are also two [[Bombshell (G1)\|Bombshell]]s in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::: There are also two [[Bombshell (G1)\|Bombshell]]s in the IDW continuity and both are listed on the same page. I think that is about right. They are the same character, just duplicated. Both Dropshots could be on the same page as well, with a note like Bombshell's. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 19:43, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (~~Scorponok~~)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (G1)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

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	:Xaaron's right. [[T-Wrecks]]'s tech specs intend him to be Grimlock, but fiction says otherwise. [[Dropshot (Universe)]] it is. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:Xaaron's right. [[T-Wrecks]]'s tech specs intend him to be Grimlock, but fiction says otherwise. [[Dropshot (Universe)]] it is. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 12:53, 21 May 2009 (EDT)

			=Talk:Dropshot (Universe)=
			"Classics"? I don't think that's appropriate here. "Classics" rather specifically refers to the FP continuity that uses the "Classics" toys, doesn't it? G1-esque Universe 2.0 figures that show up in IDW G1-esque comics aren't "Classics."--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:07, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:Wasn't he marked "Classics Series" on the packaging?--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 00:08, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			::Yes, he was. His packaging specifically said he was Classics. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:19, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:::You mean "Classic Series." There's no S. I tend to think of that component of the Universe line as separate from Classics-proper. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:33, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			::::You're right. Classic Series Prowl isn't part of the rest of Classics-which-is-G1-characters-reimagined-with-new-toys because there's no S. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:43, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:::::Classic Series Prowl ''isn't'' part of Classics-the-franchise-which-ended-before-his-toy-was-released-in-a-different-franchise. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:48, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			::::::....so, should we take the "Armada Series" Mini-Cons out of the "Armada characters" category? --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:54, 20 June 2009 (EDT)
			:::::::Heh. I had, in fact, just thought of that one myself. And no, that would be stupid. Still, it never would have occurred to me that Dropshot was be viewed as a "Classics character." But, for the sake of consistency, this article should probably remain in that category. --[[User:KilMichaelMcC\|KilMichaelMcC]] 00:57, 20 June 2009 (EDT)

			== Variation or factory error? ==

			[http://www.bwtf.com/toyreview-images/universe2/dropshot/rm5.jpg Ben Yee reviewed a Dropshot without paint on his face.] --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:08, 6 February 2010 (EST)
			: Might just not be the final production version. I think Ben gets samples from Hasbro. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00:21, 6 February 2010 (EST)

			== Universe Dropshot = G1 Dropshot? ==

			Given that we have both the Micromaster and Cybertronian versions of IDW Blackjack on the same page despite their contradictory everything, and would probably do the same for Tailwind if Windrim didn't exist, should this page be merged with Dropshot (G1)? Even if not, I think the Universe Dropshot toy should probably go on G1 Dropshot's page as well as this one. [[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 11:31, 24 July 2015 (EDT)
			:I've noticed this too. And I've thought of a potential solution. We reclassified the Gorlamite Tailwind as his Japanese counterpart Windrim. Why don't we do the same for the Gorlamite Dropshot since there is also a separate Japanese Dropshot? And then merge ''Universe'' 2008 Dropshot with G1 Dropshot. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 01:16, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
			::I feel like we should avoid being clever for the sake of being clever. --[[User:Giggidy\|Giggidy]] ([[User talk:Giggidy\|talk]]) 02:50, 18 August 2015 (EDT)
			:::I think we started with cleverness-for-the-sake-of-cleverness when we moved Gorlamite Tailwind to Windrim, but I do kind of agree that moving Gorlamite Dropshot to ROC Dropshot would be a little obtuse. I wouldn't object to it, as long as there was a note in G1 Dropshot's IDW G1 continuity entry, but if you're doing that then you might as well just leave them on the same page. In any case, though, this page should probably be Blackjacked. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 05:05, 18 August 2015 (EDT)

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			Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
	Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

	:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)		:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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	::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud (G1)\|Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

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	Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud ~~(G1)~~\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)		Given that the new Storm Cloud toy has been officially confirmed as [[Storm Cloud\|G1 Storm Cloud]], shouldn't we consider this guy the same as [[Dropshot (G1)\|G1 Dropshot]] until something contradicts it? - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:14, 4 May 2008 (UTC)

	:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)		:I agree. [[User:IC79\|IC79]] 19:04, 3 June 2008 (UTC)
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	::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::: The Bombshells are visibly identical characters for the most part. The Dropshots seem to have nothing in common but their name. Scorponok's buddy [[Fasttrack (Scorponok)\|Fasttrack]] and the new IDW [[Fasttrack (IDW)\|Fasttrack]] from [[Spotlight: Blurr]] are on two separate pages, and so should be the Dropshots. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 20:39, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::Their names, bios, altmodes (generally), and tech specs are the same. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 21:32, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[~~Storm Cloud (G1)\|~~Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		:::::::::Like I said above, to Antimatter -- NO, they're not. They are in fact very different. Their vehicle modes are different, their color schemes are different, their personalities are different (One is a masochist who gets off on pain, the other is the aggressive type who never stops fighting), their Bios do not reuse key phrases or "nod" to each other, and the Micromaster does not HAVE Tech Specs of his own to speak of. ''They are different in every conceivable way besides name and allegience.'' [[Slag (G1)\|Slag]] and [[Charger]] are more the same than these two Dropshots. The only thing driving this insistence that they're the same seems to be that if [[Storm Cloud]] is the same, than the other Classics Decepticon named after a Micromaster must be, too. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 21:49, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Well if their personalities aren't actually the same, then it's splitsville time. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 22:08, 20 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)		::::::::::Universe Dropshot and Storm Cloud are very blatantly based on the bios for their G1 patrols. The writer either didn't have access to their individual MTMTE bios or didn't care, but there's a definite and intentional link to the characters' G1 selves. [[User:Chip\|Chip]] 23:27, 20 May 2009 (EDT)

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	:Strength 10, Intelligence 7, Speed 9, Endurace 6, Teamwork/Rank 7, Courage 9, Firepower 7, Skill 9. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:17, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:Strength 10, Intelligence 7, Speed 9, Endurace 6, Teamwork/Rank 7, Courage 9, Firepower 7, Skill 9. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:17, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell (G1)\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::Well it's not like these Universe bios were ever well-researched. Storm Cloud went from a stupid punk with dellusions of Starscream to a master hacker who scrambles all Autobot frequencies with ease. In spite of this, given Universe Dropshot's sole fictional appearance contradicts his presence on Gorlam Prime (not that [[Bombshell (G1)\|that ever stops Shane McCarthy]], though), and his color scheme does not reference G1 Dropshot's in any way, I support the move of the Universe toy to its own page. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:24, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	:::If he is moved, I nominate [[Dropshot (Classic series)]] and re-nominate [[Bombshell (All Hail Megatron)]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		:::If he is moved, I nominate Dropshot (Classic series) and re-nominate Bombshell (All Hail Megatron). - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 00:38, 21 May 2009 (EDT)
	::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to [[Dropshot (Universe)]]. Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)		::::Well, no. Dropshot is part of Universe, he'd go to [[Dropshot (Universe)]]. Not like there's another Universe Dropshot to confuse him. As for the other one... well he's every bit as clearly intended to be the ''same'' G1 Bombshell, so this falls in the realm of the fiction having to approach the discrepancy straight on, much like we did for [[Straxus (G1)\|Straxus]]. --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 00:59, 21 May 2009 (EDT)