Talk:Elder God - Revision history

https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AElder_God Talk:Elder God - Revision history 2026-09-13T12:33:40Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=681550&oldid=prev Derik at 07:54, 26 January 2012 2012-01-26T07:54:24Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 07:54, 26 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l20">Line 20:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 20:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::Alternity Today was directly linked to by a canon source. IT is ''still'' apocrypha but I argue that, like Alignment (which IIRC is documented in character sections with a caveat in some cases) it's apocrypha of the '''highest order'''. It should certainly be documentable, where appropriate, provided it is flagged and caveat'd. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:58, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::Alternity Today was directly linked to by a canon source. IT is ''still'' apocrypha but I argue that, like Alignment (which IIRC is documented in character sections with a caveat in some cases) it's apocrypha of the '''highest order'''. It should certainly be documentable, where appropriate, provided it is flagged and caveat'd. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:58, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Just picking up on one thing you said, in jest, about authorial intent. I'm not commenting on the content in the work, I'm just clarifying how official (or not, as the case may be) the work is. In terms of the content, I believe in letting the work stand (or fall) on its own.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:14, 24 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::Just picking up on one thing you said, in jest, about authorial intent. I'm not commenting on the content in the work, I'm just clarifying how official (or not, as the case may be) the work is. In terms of the content, I believe in letting the work stand (or fall) on its own.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:14, 24 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::::No no, I'm quite serious about authorial intent... if you ''hadn't'' meant them to be the Ancient Gods but the canon favored them being the same I would happily ignore your intentions on the matter. Doesn't mean it's not nice ot know sometimes.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::::Regardless, they're Elder Gods now, which is the position favored in the canon. I'll probably add a note about Alternity Today... someday. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 02:54, 26 January 2012 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Derik https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=681272&oldid=prev Interrobang: Talk:Ancient gods moved to Talk:Elder God 2012-01-24T22:20:14Z

<p><a href="/index.php?title=Talk:Ancient_gods&action=edit&redlink=1" class="new" title="Talk:Ancient gods (page does not exist)">Talk:Ancient gods</a> moved to <a href="/index.php/Talk:Elder_God" title="Talk:Elder God">Talk:Elder God</a></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="1" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:20, 24 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-notice" lang="en"><div class="mw-diff-empty">(No difference)</div> </td></tr></table>

Interrobang https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=681256&oldid=prev Jimsorenson at 21:14, 24 January 2012 2012-01-24T21:14:47Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:14, 24 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l19">Line 19:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 19:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::I was never saying Alternity today was canon-- I was saying it was apocrypha, some of which we ''do'' consider relevant enough to document. (Alignment being the core example, particularly having some in-canon indicator its content is valid, even if that statement comes via an unreliable narrator. Vector Prime's statements about Killzone OTOH...)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::I was never saying Alternity today was canon-- I was saying it was apocrypha, some of which we ''do'' consider relevant enough to document. (Alignment being the core example, particularly having some in-canon indicator its content is valid, even if that statement comes via an unreliable narrator. Vector Prime's statements about Killzone OTOH...)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::Alternity Today was directly linked to by a canon source. IT is ''still'' apocrypha but I argue that, like Alignment (which IIRC is documented in character sections with a caveat in some cases) it's apocrypha of the '''highest order'''. It should certainly be documentable, where appropriate, provided it is flagged and caveat'd. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:58, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::Alternity Today was directly linked to by a canon source. IT is ''still'' apocrypha but I argue that, like Alignment (which IIRC is documented in character sections with a caveat in some cases) it's apocrypha of the '''highest order'''. It should certainly be documentable, where appropriate, provided it is flagged and caveat'd. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:58, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::::Just picking up on one thing you said, in jest, about authorial intent. I'm not commenting on the content in the work, I'm just clarifying how official (or not, as the case may be) the work is. In terms of the content, I believe in letting the work stand (or fall) on its own.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:14, 24 January 2012 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Jimsorenson https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=681004&oldid=prev Derik at 21:58, 23 January 2012 2012-01-23T21:58:48Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:58, 23 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l15">Line 15:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 15:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::For what it's worth, in my opinion, Alt2day.com is non-canon, or perhaps pseudo-canon. It wasn't done through Hasbro at all, but rather was a bit of viral marketing to support the Almanac. Not that I put anything there that I wouldn't have put in the book, or that I treated it any less seriously. But I don't think that I (or anyone, really) can unilaterally create canon. If it hasn't been published, it's non-canon. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::For what it's worth, in my opinion, Alt2day.com is non-canon, or perhaps pseudo-canon. It wasn't done through Hasbro at all, but rather was a bit of viral marketing to support the Almanac. Not that I put anything there that I wouldn't have put in the book, or that I treated it any less seriously. But I don't think that I (or anyone, really) can unilaterally create canon. If it hasn't been published, it's non-canon. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::(You can make occasional exceptions, like unpublished production material that informed the material we did see. The [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/extended-bios.html unused extended TF Universe style bios], for example, are canon in any meaningful sense of the word.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:05, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::(You can make occasional exceptions, like unpublished production material that informed the material we did see. The [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/extended-bios.html unused extended TF Universe style bios], for example, are canon in any meaningful sense of the word.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:05, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::Pfft. Keep your authorial intent out of here Jim! ;)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::(Unless you want to say whether or not the x-dimension was supposed to be the same as Ramjet's ancient gods or merely an 8unrelated lovecraftian riff.)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::I was never saying Alternity today was canon-- I was saying it was apocrypha, some of which we ''do'' consider relevant enough to document. (Alignment being the core example, particularly having some in-canon indicator its content is valid, even if that statement comes via an unreliable narrator. Vector Prime's statements about Killzone OTOH...)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::Alternity Today was directly linked to by a canon source. IT is ''still'' apocrypha but I argue that, like Alignment (which IIRC is documented in character sections with a caveat in some cases) it's apocrypha of the '''highest order'''. It should certainly be documentable, where appropriate, provided it is flagged and caveat'd. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:58, 23 January 2012 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Derik https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=680991&oldid=prev Jimsorenson at 21:05, 23 January 2012 2012-01-23T21:05:00Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 21:05, 23 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l13">Line 13:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 13:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate. I should add that when I wrote material for Alt2Day, I didn't personally consider it canon, but kept in mind that someone else might consider it to be canon, and kept my additions respectful. I didn't want to accidentally break anything if my intentions were overruled. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate. I should add that when I wrote material for Alt2Day, I didn't personally consider it canon, but kept in mind that someone else might consider it to be canon, and kept my additions respectful. I didn't want to accidentally break anything if my intentions were overruled. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I wasn't using "vetting" in the strict sense. If something has the Hasbro/Takara label on it (or an associated company like Paramount), then I consider that approved and official, regardless of whether somebody's actually paying attention. The alt2day site, as much as I like it, wasn't something that went through Hasbro or its license. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:33, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::I wasn't using "vetting" in the strict sense. If something has the Hasbro/Takara label on it (or an associated company like Paramount), then I consider that approved and official, regardless of whether somebody's actually paying attention. The alt2day site, as much as I like it, wasn't something that went through Hasbro or its license. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:33, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::For what it's worth, in my opinion, Alt2day.com is non-canon, or perhaps pseudo-canon. It wasn't done through Hasbro at all, but rather was a bit of viral marketing to support the Almanac. Not that I put anything there that I wouldn't have put in the book, or that I treated it any less seriously. But I don't think that I (or anyone, really) can unilaterally create canon. If it hasn't been published, it's non-canon. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::(You can make occasional exceptions, like unpublished production material that informed the material we did see. The [http://boltax.blogspot.com/2010/12/extended-bios.html unused extended TF Universe style bios], for example, are canon in any meaningful sense of the word.)--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 16:05, 23 January 2012 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Jimsorenson https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=680988&oldid=prev Interrobang at 20:33, 23 January 2012 2012-01-23T20:33:40Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:33, 23 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l12">Line 12:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 12:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::For example, at last BotCon, Jesse Wittenrich gave me a stack of self-published profiles for various "Around Cybertron" characters. He felt they were official. I said, "Well, did Hasbro okay them?" He said they don't precisely okay everything they do for the Club magazine, and he felt they passed as much muster as any of the other stuff they did. Now, I don't think that stuff he handed me should be in the wiki, really, because even if they weren't okayed the same as some of the Club's other stuff, I still feel like being ''published'' via an otherwise official outlet is equally important. An artist's alley table is not one of those things. I don't think my Recordicons poster that I sell at cons is official, for example. It'd have to show up in a club magazine first. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::For example, at last BotCon, Jesse Wittenrich gave me a stack of self-published profiles for various "Around Cybertron" characters. He felt they were official. I said, "Well, did Hasbro okay them?" He said they don't precisely okay everything they do for the Club magazine, and he felt they passed as much muster as any of the other stuff they did. Now, I don't think that stuff he handed me should be in the wiki, really, because even if they weren't okayed the same as some of the Club's other stuff, I still feel like being ''published'' via an otherwise official outlet is equally important. An artist's alley table is not one of those things. I don't think my Recordicons poster that I sell at cons is official, for example. It'd have to show up in a club magazine first. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate. I should add that when I wrote material for Alt2Day, I didn't personally consider it canon, but kept in mind that someone else might consider it to be canon, and kept my additions respectful. I didn't want to accidentally break anything if my intentions were overruled. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate. I should add that when I wrote material for Alt2Day, I didn't personally consider it canon, but kept in mind that someone else might consider it to be canon, and kept my additions respectful. I didn't want to accidentally break anything if my intentions were overruled. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::I wasn't using "vetting" in the strict sense. If something has the Hasbro/Takara label on it (or an associated company like Paramount), then I consider that approved and official, regardless of whether somebody's actually paying attention. The alt2day site, as much as I like it, wasn't something that went through Hasbro or its license. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 15:33, 23 January 2012 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Interrobang https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=680987&oldid=prev ItsWalky at 20:11, 23 January 2012 2012-01-23T20:11:50Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:11, 23 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l11">Line 11:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 11:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Not all things we consider official on this wiki ARE "vetted by Hasbro." Sometimes they get published in official Transformers things because they're done through an entity they trust/work with often. The publishing is an equally-important factor, I think. If we found out that something in particular on this wiki wasn't precisely okayed by somebody in Hasbro, would we remove it? We have reason to believe that Hasbro's approval was on autopilot during the Furman days. Are we gonna have to start removing Marvel Comics issues? </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Not all things we consider official on this wiki ARE "vetted by Hasbro." Sometimes they get published in official Transformers things because they're done through an entity they trust/work with often. The publishing is an equally-important factor, I think. If we found out that something in particular on this wiki wasn't precisely okayed by somebody in Hasbro, would we remove it? We have reason to believe that Hasbro's approval was on autopilot during the Furman days. Are we gonna have to start removing Marvel Comics issues? </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::For example, at last BotCon, Jesse Wittenrich gave me a stack of self-published profiles for various "Around Cybertron" characters. He felt they were official. I said, "Well, did Hasbro okay them?" He said they don't precisely okay everything they do for the Club magazine, and he felt they passed as much muster as any of the other stuff they did. Now, I don't think that stuff he handed me should be in the wiki, really, because even if they weren't okayed the same as some of the Club's other stuff, I still feel like being ''published'' via an otherwise official outlet is equally important. An artist's alley table is not one of those things. I don't think my Recordicons poster that I sell at cons is official, for example. It'd have to show up in a club magazine first. </div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::For example, at last BotCon, Jesse Wittenrich gave me a stack of self-published profiles for various "Around Cybertron" characters. He felt they were official. I said, "Well, did Hasbro okay them?" He said they don't precisely okay everything they do for the Club magazine, and he felt they passed as much muster as any of the other stuff they did. Now, I don't think that stuff he handed me should be in the wiki, really, because even if they weren't okayed the same as some of the Club's other stuff, I still feel like being ''published'' via an otherwise official outlet is equally important. An artist's alley table is not one of those things. I don't think my Recordicons poster that I sell at cons is official, for example. It'd have to show up in a club magazine first. </div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. I should add that when I wrote material for Alt2Day, I didn't personally consider it canon, but kept in mind that someone else might consider it to be canon, and kept my additions respectful. I didn't want to accidentally break anything if my intentions were overruled</ins>. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

ItsWalky https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=680985&oldid=prev ItsWalky at 20:00, 23 January 2012 2012-01-23T20:00:17Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:00, 23 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l9">Line 9:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::How apocrphal ''is'' Alternity Today? The Almanac itself ''links'' to it, that was the joke, the 'Alt2day.com' URL in the book sent you to the site for even more bonus content. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::How apocrphal ''is'' Alternity Today? The Almanac itself ''links'' to it, that was the joke, the 'Alt2day.com' URL in the book sent you to the site for even more bonus content. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::It still wasn't vetted by Hasbro. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:29, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::It still wasn't vetted by Hasbro. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:29, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::Not all things we consider official on this wiki ARE "vetted by Hasbro." Sometimes they get published in official Transformers things because they're done through an entity they trust/work with often. The publishing is an equally-important factor, I think. If we found out that something in particular on this wiki wasn't precisely okayed by somebody in Hasbro, would we remove it? We have reason to believe that Hasbro's approval was on autopilot during the Furman days. Are we gonna have to start removing Marvel Comics issues? </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::For example, at last BotCon, Jesse Wittenrich gave me a stack of self-published profiles for various "Around Cybertron" characters. He felt they were official. I said, "Well, did Hasbro okay them?" He said they don't precisely okay everything they do for the Club magazine, and he felt they passed as much muster as any of the other stuff they did. Now, I don't think that stuff he handed me should be in the wiki, really, because even if they weren't okayed the same as some of the Club's other stuff, I still feel like being ''published'' via an otherwise official outlet is equally important. An artist's alley table is not one of those things. I don't think my Recordicons poster that I sell at cons is official, for example. It'd have to show up in a club magazine first. </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::Now, where the Alt2day website falls in that argument is up for debate. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:00, 23 January 2012 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

ItsWalky https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=680980&oldid=prev Interrobang at 19:29, 23 January 2012 2012-01-23T19:29:00Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:29, 23 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l8">Line 8:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 8:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::<nowiki>*checks the annotations*</nowiki> Ah, she's given a last name for the first time for the second time. Well phrased McFeely, well phrased...</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::<nowiki>*checks the annotations*</nowiki> Ah, she's given a last name for the first time for the second time. Well phrased McFeely, well phrased...</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::How apocrphal ''is'' Alternity Today? The Almanac itself ''links'' to it, that was the joke, the 'Alt2day.com' URL in the book sent you to the site for even more bonus content. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::How apocrphal ''is'' Alternity Today? The Almanac itself ''links'' to it, that was the joke, the 'Alt2day.com' URL in the book sent you to the site for even more bonus content. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::It still wasn't vetted by Hasbro. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 14:29, 23 January 2012 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Interrobang https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Elder_God&diff=680978&oldid=prev Derik at 19:27, 23 January 2012 2012-01-23T19:27:22Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:27, 23 January 2012</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::It's also, IIRC, where we get Alexis's name from. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:11, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::It's also, IIRC, where we get Alexis's name from. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 04:11, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Alexis's name is in the Almanac. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:18, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Alexis's name is in the Almanac. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 04:18, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::<nowiki>*checks the annotations*</nowiki> Ah, she's given a last name for the first time for the second time. Well phrased McFeely, well phrased...</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>::::<nowiki>*checks the annotations*</nowiki> Ah, she's given a last name for the first time for the second time. Well phrased McFeely, well phrased...</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::How apocrphal ''is'' Alternity Today? The Almanac itself ''links'' to it, that was the joke, the 'Alt2day.com' URL in the book sent you to the site for even more bonus content. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>::::How apocrphal ''is'' Alternity Today? The Almanac itself ''links'' to it, that was the joke, the 'Alt2day.com' URL in the book sent you to the site for even more bonus content. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 14:27, 23 January 2012 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

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