Talk:Female Transformer - Revision history

https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AFemale_Transformer Talk:Female Transformer - Revision history 2026-10-22T21:28:39Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=1888810&oldid=prev BerylRoll at 22:45, 1 February 2026 2026-02-01T22:45:52Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 22:45, 1 February 2026</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l260">Line 260:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 260:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Oh my FUCKING GOD, are you fucking serious? It's not that hard to understand what they're are saying. They did not mean it like that. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Oh my FUCKING GOD, are you fucking serious? It's not that hard to understand what they're are saying. They did not mean it like that. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Narrative formatting ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>==Narrative formatting==</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-added"></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Since discussion of the formatting of the [[List of female Transformers]] page has been brought up, I’ve been thinking about this one since it’s the sister page, and I have a proposal to put forth: Rework the main page to read more as a narrative.</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Since discussion of the formatting of the [[List of female Transformers]] page has been brought up, I’ve been thinking about this one since it’s the sister page, and I have a proposal to put forth: Rework the main page to read more as a narrative.</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l268">Line 268:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 267:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>(* ‘‘Mostly.’’ I think it’s probably best to keep each sub-section separate, again so as not to interrupt the flow of say, the IDW1 section, even though it lasts over a dozen years, during which other media and toylines came and went.)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>(* ‘‘Mostly.’’ I think it’s probably best to keep each sub-section separate, again so as not to interrupt the flow of say, the IDW1 section, even though it lasts over a dozen years, during which other media and toylines came and went.)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Along with this, I would suggest formatting the list page to follow the structure of the main page; the talk regarding the list page has been whether to keep G1 (and/with BW) all together, separate it by chunks of time, or to follow the main <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">page’s </del>structure. I think the last one is the strongest option, allowing for cross-page synergy — however, the way it exists currently is not as conducive to that format as I’d hoped it would be — toy-only bots don’t quite have a place, nor do micro-continuities, and there’s still the whole thing of if BW should be lumped in with G1 or stay separate (and if separate, what about stuff like BWU or WFC: Kingdom?).</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Along with this, I would suggest formatting the list page to follow the structure of the main page; the talk regarding the list page has been whether to keep G1 (and/with BW) all together, separate it by chunks of time, or to follow the main <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">page's </ins>structure. I think the last one is the strongest option, allowing for cross-page synergy — however, the way it exists currently is not as conducive to that format as I’d hoped it would be — toy-only bots don’t quite have a place, nor do micro-continuities, and there’s still the whole thing of if BW should be lumped in with G1 or stay separate (and if separate, what about stuff like BWU or WFC: Kingdom?).</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Lastly, I've written up another point regarding the criteria for female Transformers on the list page since it's more relevant to that one, but figured it (as well as the discussion mentioned at the top) was also worth noting here. [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 23:31, 1 October 2024 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Lastly, I've written up another point regarding the criteria for female Transformers on the list page since it's more relevant to that one, but figured it (as well as the discussion mentioned at the top) was also worth noting here. [[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 23:31, 1 October 2024 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">==Timeline page==</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:My intent is to write a real-life chronological timeline page for the (quantitative and qualitative) inclusion of female Transformers (along with any other gender inclusion not (presumed to be) cis male). I believe it fits the structure of the wiki, that it would give a hub to various factoids around the wiki that at best otherwise would end up in the Notes section here, and that it thereby could help give direction to the current Female Transformer page (which is, and I apologize if this is rude, not in a great state). Stuff for such a timeline would/could include any character gender changes pre-final product, certain gender changes mid-fiction, meaningful times the Bechdel Test got passed, notable toys, notable merch, those fan polls, (first?) elderly female TF, Solus Prime, terminology, notable trans inclusion (at present, this might be all of them), controversies (at least those listed on the wiki already), etc. Since the Female Transformer page already is opinionated and scattered around the wiki are lines such as "The origins of Solus's gender situation as the "first female Transformer" are explicated at length in a somewhat ill-advised attempt to provide an in-universe explanation for why there are so many fewer girl robots than boy ones", I am looking to make the timeline opinionated (within reason) too.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Are there objections or concerns? [[User:BerylRoll|BerylRoll]] ([[User talk:BerylRoll|talk]]) 17:45, 1 February 2026 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

BerylRoll https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=1788671&oldid=prev Ashendawn: /* Narrative formatting */ 2024-10-02T03:31:03Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Narrative formatting</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 03:31, 2 October 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l270">Line 270:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 270:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Along with this, I would suggest formatting the list page to follow the structure of the main page; the talk regarding the list page has been whether to keep G1 (and/with BW) all together, separate it by chunks of time, or to follow the main page’s structure. I think the last one is the strongest option, allowing for cross-page synergy — however, the way it exists currently is not as conducive to that format as I’d hoped it would be — toy-only bots don’t quite have a place, nor do micro-continuities, and there’s still the whole thing of if BW should be lumped in with G1 or stay separate (and if separate, what about stuff like BWU or WFC: Kingdom?).</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Along with this, I would suggest formatting the list page to follow the structure of the main page; the talk regarding the list page has been whether to keep G1 (and/with BW) all together, separate it by chunks of time, or to follow the main page’s structure. I think the last one is the strongest option, allowing for cross-page synergy — however, the way it exists currently is not as conducive to that format as I’d hoped it would be — toy-only bots don’t quite have a place, nor do micro-continuities, and there’s still the whole thing of if BW should be lumped in with G1 or stay separate (and if separate, what about stuff like BWU or WFC: Kingdom?).</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Lastly, I've written up another point regarding the criteria for female Transformers on the list page since it's more relevant to that one, but figured it (as well as the discussion mentioned at the top) was also worth noting here.</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Lastly, I've written up another point regarding the criteria for female Transformers on the list page since it's more relevant to that one, but figured it (as well as the discussion mentioned at the top) was also worth noting here. <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">[[User:Ashendawn|Ashendawn]] ([[User talk:Ashendawn|talk]]) 23:31, 1 October 2024 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Ashendawn https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=1788670&oldid=prev Ashendawn: /* Narrative formatting */ new section 2024-10-02T03:30:39Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Narrative formatting: </span> new section</p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 03:30, 2 October 2024</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l259">Line 259:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 259:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Oh my FUCKING GOD, are you fucking serious? It's not that hard to understand what they're are saying. They did not mean it like that. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Oh my FUCKING GOD, are you fucking serious? It's not that hard to understand what they're are saying. They did not mean it like that. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">== Narrative formatting ==</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Since discussion of the formatting of the [[List of female Transformers]] page has been brought up, I’ve been thinking about this one since it’s the sister page, and I have a proposal to put forth: Rework the main page to read more as a narrative.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">This would likely involve straying a bit from the wiki standard, namely regarding the delineation between Fiction and Toys and the separation by continuity family. Because the subject of female Transformers not only has in-fiction significance, but (arguably more) out-of-fiction significance as well, I think following the path of the franchise in chronological order* — covering fiction and toys simultaneously regardless of continuity — would show the shift in perspective regarding female Transformers more clearly, especially to someone curious about the role they have played in the brand’s history. The G1 section shows this narrative somewhat already, given the amount of media it includes — but the way it reads now feels a little awkward; it goes from the 80s-90s to Dreamwave to IDW, hops back to BW and its extensions, then fills in the gaps between G1 & BW with all the other continuities. That’s not a wrong way of doing it — standard is standard for a reason — but I feel like it could be stronger if it tells that story in a more straightforward fashion.</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">(* ‘‘Mostly.’’ I think it’s probably best to keep each sub-section separate, again so as not to interrupt the flow of say, the IDW1 section, even though it lasts over a dozen years, during which other media and toylines came and went.)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Along with this, I would suggest formatting the list page to follow the structure of the main page; the talk regarding the list page has been whether to keep G1 (and/with BW) all together, separate it by chunks of time, or to follow the main page’s structure. I think the last one is the strongest option, allowing for cross-page synergy — however, the way it exists currently is not as conducive to that format as I’d hoped it would be — toy-only bots don’t quite have a place, nor do micro-continuities, and there’s still the whole thing of if BW should be lumped in with G1 or stay separate (and if separate, what about stuff like BWU or WFC: Kingdom?).</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Lastly, I've written up another point regarding the criteria for female Transformers on the list page since it's more relevant to that one, but figured it (as well as the discussion mentioned at the top) was also worth noting here.</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Ashendawn https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=827574&oldid=prev Escargon: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ 2013-09-18T20:38:08Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:38, 18 September 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l258">Line 258:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 258:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Oh my FUCKING GOD, <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">it</del>'s not that hard to understand what they're are saying. They did not mean it like that. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::Oh my FUCKING GOD, <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">are you fucking serious? It</ins>'s not that hard to understand what they're are saying. They did not mean it like that. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Escargon https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=827567&oldid=prev Escargon: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ 2013-09-18T20:33:35Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:33, 18 September 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l258">Line 258:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 258:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>Oh my FUCKING GOD, it's not that hard to understand what they're are saying. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::</ins>Oh my FUCKING GOD, it's not that hard to understand what they're are saying<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">. They did not mean it like that</ins>. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Escargon https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=827566&oldid=prev Escargon: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ 2013-09-18T20:32:52Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:32, 18 September 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l258">Line 258:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 258:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">Oh my FUCKING GOD, it's not that hard to understand what they're are saying. Quit being an idiot. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 16:32, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Escargon https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=827565&oldid=prev Starfield: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ 2013-09-18T20:26:08Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:26, 18 September 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l257">Line 257:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 257:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::Please explain why it would be better for women if there were more female Bayformers. If you ask me, women are ''lucky'' there aren't more female Bayformers. The world didn't have to watch a female Bumblebee squatting to pee on [[Charlotte Mearing]]'s head, or a female Devastator with wrecking ball boobs, or female Transformers vomiting lubricant, stealing people's faces, farting flames, etc. Live-action movie Transformers are even further away from resembling real people than the average TF cartoon or comic. They are alien monsters who hatch from pods. They aren't analogous to any kind of human society at all. I completely fail to see why having more female of them would be less substandard. I understand the point you are trying to make even less now that you and ItsWalky have made it a point to emphasize the live-action films. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 16:26, 18 September 2013 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

Starfield https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=827385&oldid=prev M Sipher: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ 2013-09-16T20:08:07Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:08, 16 September 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l256">Line 256:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 256:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::I'm sorry, but if you're going to actually try and claim a multi-million dollar global toyline that's been going for 30 years, has four huge-budget record-breaking live-action movies, and a major theme park ride in multiple points of the globe, and is splattered across tee shirts and car labels available at every mall is "niche" and therefore somehow not subject in any way to societal/cultural influences so just sit back and accept the substandard... no, you don't get respect. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 16:08, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

M Sipher https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=827382&oldid=prev Escargon: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ 2013-09-16T19:18:24Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:18, 16 September 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l252">Line 252:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 252:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::no but seriously go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::no but seriously go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 23:42, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::Okay, you ''are actually incapable'' of ''not'' being obtuse and stupid. Got it. Because holy fuck, that was some impressively stupid drivel. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::Okay, you ''are actually incapable'' of ''not'' being obtuse and stupid. Got it. Because holy fuck, that was some impressively stupid drivel. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 23:53, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::::::Starfield, do us all a favor and just shut up. [[User:Escargon|Escargon]] 15:18, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> </table>

Escargon https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Female_Transformer&diff=827311&oldid=prev KrytenKoro: /* Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves */ 2013-09-16T11:42:49Z

<p><span class="autocomment">Since we were invited to talk amongst ourselves</span></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 11:42, 16 September 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l254">Line 254:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 254:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>starfield go away --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:18, 12 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>I didn't think there was anything wrong with the old version. -[[User:LV|LV]] 19:57, 15 September 2013 (EDT)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::I know M Sipher and ItsWalky are hot stuff on this wiki, but could we possibly keep the discussion polite? I mean, I get what the "beyond the scope" thing is saying and think it should stay, but just being rude seems to be pointlessly offputting.[[User:KrytenKoro|KrytenKoro]] 07:42, 16 September 2013 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr> </table>

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