Talk:Flamewar (G1) - Revision history

ItsWalky at 21:00, 16 September 2020

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	Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

ItsWalky: /* Vote on mainpic */

2020-09-16T21:00:13Z

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	:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	::::: ...Right, okay, I guess the parts that I think of as her forearms have been interpreted as shoulder-wings. I think it misrepresents both the toy and her previous appearances but I guess it's not as big a divergence as I thought. (I'm still going to say that it's both uglier and less characterful than the current image, though, and doesn't convey the design elements that informed her later incarnations as well.) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::::: ...Right, okay, I guess the parts that I think of as her forearms have been interpreted as shoulder-wings. I think it misrepresents both the toy and her previous appearances but I guess it's not as big a divergence as I thought. (I'm still going to say that it's both uglier and less characterful than the current image, though, and doesn't convey the design elements that informed her later incarnations as well.) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			:::::: Yeah, if you're not familiar with the original Energon Arcee toy, she has separate, tiny forearms that balljoint out from the motorcycle kibble. It's a little more visible in white: [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/view/energon/arcee/50/1/28/] The Energon cartoon CGI model made them a little larger and longer: [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3Wz9QzSDL08/hqdefault.jpg] But that's why this Earth Wars iteration has extrapolated arms with the motorcycle halves on the backs of them. It's basically like that on the original toy, but it's just that the original toy was very very awkward. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 17:00, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

Broadside: /* Vote on mainpic */

2020-09-16T20:49:51Z

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	::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			::::: ...Right, okay, I guess the parts that I think of as her forearms have been interpreted as shoulder-wings. I think it misrepresents both the toy and her previous appearances but I guess it's not as big a divergence as I thought. (I'm still going to say that it's both uglier and less characterful than the current image, though, and doesn't convey the design elements that informed her later incarnations as well.) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

ItsWalky at 20:45, 16 September 2020

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	::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

Broadside at 20:38, 16 September 2020

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	:: It's the same kibble chunks the original toy has and the current main pic has. And it shows flames in the exact same places the current mainpic has them: Thighs, kibble chunks. It's just the original toy expressed in a different way. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:09, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		:: It's the same kibble chunks the original toy has and the current main pic has. And it shows flames in the exact same places the current mainpic has them: Thighs, kibble chunks. It's just the original toy expressed in a different way. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:09, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

Broadside: /* Vote on mainpic */

2020-09-16T20:37:05Z

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	: That one's hideous and has much of the same problem as the original mainpic in terms of lacking the flame details that carry through onto all her other appearances... and also I don't know what the hell those massive kibble chunks on her shoulders are from. What's wrong with the current one? --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		: That one's hideous and has much of the same problem as the original mainpic in terms of lacking the flame details that carry through onto all her other appearances... and also I don't know what the hell those massive kibble chunks on her shoulders are from. What's wrong with the current one? --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	:: It's the same kibble chunks the original toy has and the current main pic has. And it shows flames in the exact same places the current mainpic has them: Thighs, kibble chunks. It's just the original toy expressed in a different way. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:09, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		:: It's the same kibble chunks the original toy has and the current main pic has. And it shows flames in the exact same places the current mainpic has them: Thighs, kibble chunks. It's just the original toy expressed in a different way. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:09, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

ItsWalky at 20:09, 16 September 2020

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	Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	: That one's hideous and has much of the same problem as the original mainpic in terms of lacking the flame details that carry through onto all her other appearances... and also I don't know what the hell those massive kibble chunks on her shoulders are from. What's wrong with the current one? --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		: That one's hideous and has much of the same problem as the original mainpic in terms of lacking the flame details that carry through onto all her other appearances... and also I don't know what the hell those massive kibble chunks on her shoulders are from. What's wrong with the current one? --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			:: It's the same kibble chunks the original toy has and the current main pic has. And it shows flames in the exact same places the current mainpic has them: Thighs, kibble chunks. It's just the original toy expressed in a different way. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:09, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

Broadside: /* Vote on mainpic */

2020-09-16T19:57:48Z

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	Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			: That one's hideous and has much of the same problem as the original mainpic in terms of lacking the flame details that carry through onto all her other appearances... and also I don't know what the hell those massive kibble chunks on her shoulders are from. What's wrong with the current one? --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

ItsWalky at 19:25, 16 September 2020

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	:All of this was worth it just for that caption. Bless you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:51, 10 September 2020 (EDT)		:All of this was worth it just for that caption. Bless you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:51, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
	::You're welcome! -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 20:39, 10 September 2020 (EDT)		::You're welcome! -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 20:39, 10 September 2020 (EDT)

			[[File:Flamewar Earth Wars.jpg\|left\|thumb\|]]

			Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

Cyberlink420: /* Vote on mainpic */

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	Okay, after reviewing, I've put up the Descent image Monzo uploaded, which actually shows the distinguishing features she shares with later Flamewars. I'm happy enough with the page as it stands now, but if anyone has any more comments, I'd love to hear them. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:24, 10 September 2020 (EDT)		Okay, after reviewing, I've put up the Descent image Monzo uploaded, which actually shows the distinguishing features she shares with later Flamewars. I'm happy enough with the page as it stands now, but if anyone has any more comments, I'd love to hear them. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 15:24, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
	:All of this was worth it just for that caption. Bless you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:51, 10 September 2020 (EDT)		:All of this was worth it just for that caption. Bless you. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:51, 10 September 2020 (EDT)
			::You're welcome! -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 20:39, 10 September 2020 (EDT)

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	::You're welcome! -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 20:39, 10 September 2020 (EDT)		::You're welcome! -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 20:39, 10 September 2020 (EDT)

	[[File:Flamewar Earth Wars.jpg\|~~left~~\|thumb\|]]		[[File:Flamewar Earth Wars.jpg\|right\|thumb\|]]

	Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		Ahem. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 15:25, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

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	:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	::::: ...Right, okay, I guess the parts that I think of as her forearms have been interpreted as shoulder-wings. I think it misrepresents both the toy and her previous appearances but I guess it's not as big a divergence as I thought. (I'm still going to say that it's both uglier and less characterful than the current image, though, and doesn't convey the design elements that informed her later incarnations as well.) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::::: ...Right, okay, I guess the parts that I think of as her forearms have been interpreted as shoulder-wings. I think it misrepresents both the toy and her previous appearances but I guess it's not as big a divergence as I thought. (I'm still going to say that it's both uglier and less characterful than the current image, though, and doesn't convey the design elements that informed her later incarnations as well.) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			:::::: Yeah, if you're not familiar with the original Energon Arcee toy, she has separate, tiny forearms that balljoint out from the motorcycle kibble. It's a little more visible in white: [https://www.seibertron.com/transformers-toys/view/energon/arcee/50/1/28/] The Energon cartoon CGI model made them a little larger and longer: [https://i.ytimg.com/vi/3Wz9QzSDL08/hqdefault.jpg] But that's why this Earth Wars iteration has extrapolated arms with the motorcycle halves on the backs of them. It's basically like that on the original toy, but it's just that the original toy was very very awkward. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 17:00, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

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	::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			::::: ...Right, okay, I guess the parts that I think of as her forearms have been interpreted as shoulder-wings. I think it misrepresents both the toy and her previous appearances but I guess it's not as big a divergence as I thought. (I'm still going to say that it's both uglier and less characterful than the current image, though, and doesn't convey the design elements that informed her later incarnations as well.) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:49, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

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	::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			:::: I agree that it's ugly -- it's Earth Wars, after all. However, those shoulder kibble things are literally from the toy. They're split halves from the back end of the motorcycle, they match the details from the back end of the motorcycle on the actual toy, and they're placed where they are on the original toy. I'm okay striking down the image as mainpic for ugliness, but "it's not the original toy" can't be one of the reasons because it's absolutely not correct. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:45, 16 September 2020 (EDT)

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	:: It's the same kibble chunks the original toy has and the current main pic has. And it shows flames in the exact same places the current mainpic has them: Thighs, kibble chunks. It's just the original toy expressed in a different way. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:09, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		:: It's the same kibble chunks the original toy has and the current main pic has. And it shows flames in the exact same places the current mainpic has them: Thighs, kibble chunks. It's just the original toy expressed in a different way. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 16:09, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
	::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)		::: Not the forearms and forehead crest, which is what was missing from the previous mainpic. And, though I admit that I don't own it, from every image I can find the Energon Arcee toy doesn't have big floating kibblebergs behind its shoulders, so I'm not sure what you're talking about there. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:37, 16 September 2020 (EDT)
			::: (also, wasn't part of the issue that we wanted a mainpic from a botcon/club source?) (also, all that aside, it's still an ugly low-polygon phone game model and i don't see how it's better than the current one in any way) --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 16:38, 16 September 2020 (EDT)