Talk:Fortress Sinister - Revision history

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	:::Ahhh, okay. I was wondering why we were giving the admins the work of deleting something at all, but the preservation of the DF page history makes sense. So, uh, never mind then. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)		:::Ahhh, okay. I was wondering why we were giving the admins the work of deleting something at all, but the preservation of the DF page history makes sense. So, uh, never mind then. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

			== Plight of the Bumblebee ==

			Is it safe to assume that the "makeshift fortress" featured in [[Plight of the Bumblebee!]] is Fortress Sinister? Fortress Sinister hadn't been seen for quite a while in the US but in the UK they were using it during that period. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 11:38, 27 February 2010 (EST)

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	::Agreed. (Wikipedia has a wider ranger of merge templates to reflect specific types of changes, this would be 'move into' I think, but we so seldome have to deal with it...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)		::Agreed. (Wikipedia has a wider ranger of merge templates to reflect specific types of changes, this would be 'move into' I think, but we so seldome have to deal with it...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

	:::Ahhh, okay. I was wondering why we were giving the admins the work of deleting something at all, but the preservation of the DF page history makes sense. So, uh, never mind then. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		:::Ahhh, okay. I was wondering why we were giving the admins the work of deleting something at all, but the preservation of the DF page history makes sense. So, uh, never mind then. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Jackpot: /* Which one do we delete? */

2007-09-13T23:56:22Z

Which one do we delete?

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	:I suppose there's still the question of whether we'd want to keep the redirect, but having the content of [[Decepticon Fortress]] at this namespace seems like a no-brainer for me.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]] 22:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)		:I suppose there's still the question of whether we'd want to keep the redirect, but having the content of [[Decepticon Fortress]] at this namespace seems like a no-brainer for me.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]] 22:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

	::Agreed. (Wikipedia has a wider ranger of merge templates to reflect specific types of changes, this would be 'move into' I think, but we so seldome have to deal with it...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::Agreed. (Wikipedia has a wider ranger of merge templates to reflect specific types of changes, this would be 'move into' I think, but we so seldome have to deal with it...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

			:::Ahhh, okay. I was wondering why we were giving the admins the work of deleting something at all, but the preservation of the DF page history makes sense. So, uh, never mind then. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Derik at 22:40, 13 September 2007

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	:In this case, the current text of [[Decepticon Fortress]] affirmatively identifies the same location as Fortress Sinister, with no ambiguity. The page move is because in the interests of wikiwhatever we really should preserve the edit history of the larger, more complete article.		:In this case, the current text of [[Decepticon Fortress]] affirmatively identifies the same location as Fortress Sinister, with no ambiguity. The page move is because in the interests of wikiwhatever we really should preserve the edit history of the larger, more complete article.

	:I suppose there's still the question of whether we'd want to keep the redirect, but having the content of [[Decepticon Fortress]] at this namespace seems like a no-brainer for me.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]] 22:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:I suppose there's still the question of whether we'd want to keep the redirect, but having the content of [[Decepticon Fortress]] at this namespace seems like a no-brainer for me.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]] 22:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

			::Agreed. (Wikipedia has a wider ranger of merge templates to reflect specific types of changes, this would be 'move into' I think, but we so seldome have to deal with it...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Rosicrucian: /* Which one do we delete? */

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Which one do we delete?

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	==Which one do we delete?==		==Which one do we delete?==
	I'm in favor of keeping "Fortress Sinister" and moving the "Decepticon Fortress" text into it. I know that FS is more dubious as its proper name, but DF is (as Walky pointed out on its talk page) generic to the point of serious ambiguity. There've been a ''lot'' of Decepticon fortresses. Only one was ever called "Fortress Sinister." - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 21:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		I'm in favor of keeping "Fortress Sinister" and moving the "Decepticon Fortress" text into it. I know that FS is more dubious as its proper name, but DF is (as Walky pointed out on its talk page) generic to the point of serious ambiguity. There've been a ''lot'' of Decepticon fortresses. Only one was ever called "Fortress Sinister." - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 21:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
			:In this case, the current text of [[Decepticon Fortress]] affirmatively identifies the same location as Fortress Sinister, with no ambiguity. The page move is because in the interests of wikiwhatever we really should preserve the edit history of the larger, more complete article.

			:I suppose there's still the question of whether we'd want to keep the redirect, but having the content of [[Decepticon Fortress]] at this namespace seems like a no-brainer for me.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]] 22:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Jackpot: Whoa, whoa, hold up there, son.

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Whoa, whoa, hold up there, son.

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	: anyone that would like to [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/crisisofcommand.rar read the original story] for context, feel free. (I don't think Titan ever collected this.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)		: anyone that would like to [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/crisisofcommand.rar read the original story] for context, feel free. (I don't think Titan ever collected this.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

	:Steve-o, judging by its use in the scan, it sounds like its name to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Steve-o, judging by its use in the scan, it sounds like its name to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

			==Which one do we delete?==
			I'm in favor of keeping "Fortress Sinister" and moving the "Decepticon Fortress" text into it. I know that FS is more dubious as its proper name, but DF is (as Walky pointed out on its talk page) generic to the point of serious ambiguity. There've been a ''lot'' of Decepticon fortresses. Only one was ever called "Fortress Sinister." - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 21:51, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

ItsWalky at 02:18, 30 May 2007

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	:While I think Collins ''did intend'' to establish this as the place's name- it ultimately doesn't matter. Because, as you say, like Darkside, it's the best convenient 'handle' by which to refer to a base that appears a ''lot''. I have no qualms if the final article includes a note 'It is referred to as such in UK #44, this may not represent a proper name but for the sake of this article etc etc etc...', but this is clearly the best name for this article, barring some sort of retroactive naming in the Fun Pub material that does not appear to be in the offing -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)		:While I think Collins ''did intend'' to establish this as the place's name- it ultimately doesn't matter. Because, as you say, like Darkside, it's the best convenient 'handle' by which to refer to a base that appears a ''lot''. I have no qualms if the final article includes a note 'It is referred to as such in UK #44, this may not represent a proper name but for the sake of this article etc etc etc...', but this is clearly the best name for this article, barring some sort of retroactive naming in the Fun Pub material that does not appear to be in the offing -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

	: anyone that would like to [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/crisisofcommand.rar read the original story] for context, feel free. (I don't think Titan ever collected this.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		: anyone that would like to [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/crisisofcommand.rar read the original story] for context, feel free. (I don't think Titan ever collected this.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

			:Steve-o, judging by its use in the scan, it sounds like its name to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Derik at 01:45, 30 May 2007

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	Derik, are you sure that's a name and not merely a description with a dramatic adjective/noun inversion? I ''really'' doubt the Decepticons would have named their base "Fortress Sinister". Granted, the pre-BW G1 Decepticons apparently named their ship ''Nemesis'', but that is cut and dried -- it is clearly the name of the ship. This... this is very weak ground, sort of like ''Darkside'' if there had never been any later canonical sources that said yeah, the ship's called ''Darkside''. Admittedly, I'm not saying the title needs to be changed... maybe decapitalize "Sinister" at most. But unless the name appears again, I don't think we should assume it is actually a name. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 01:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		Derik, are you sure that's a name and not merely a description with a dramatic adjective/noun inversion? I ''really'' doubt the Decepticons would have named their base "Fortress Sinister". Granted, the pre-BW G1 Decepticons apparently named their ship ''Nemesis'', but that is cut and dried -- it is clearly the name of the ship. This... this is very weak ground, sort of like ''Darkside'' if there had never been any later canonical sources that said yeah, the ship's called ''Darkside''. Admittedly, I'm not saying the title needs to be changed... maybe decapitalize "Sinister" at most. But unless the name appears again, I don't think we should assume it is actually a name. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 01:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

			:I considered that. However- the title is bolded relative the rest of the text, which would seem to imply some proper title. This story is written by Mike Collins, not Furman (who probably simply never named it in case the US material ever did) and Collins doesnt' seem particularly shy around the material. I think it was intended to be a name.
			:I understand where you're coming from vis-a-vis 'it could just be a dramatic captionbox,' but that would really only make sense if it were the ''continuation'' of some heavily-voiced piece of narration; "And now we turn our eyes to... the Decepticons' '''Fortress Sinister!'''" But- it's not. It's a simple change-of location label, like "Skeletor's '''Snake Mountain!'''"
			:While I think Collins ''did intend'' to establish this as the place's name- it ultimately doesn't matter. Because, as you say, like Darkside, it's the best convenient 'handle' by which to refer to a base that appears a ''lot''. I have no qualms if the final article includes a note 'It is referred to as such in UK #44, this may not represent a proper name but for the sake of this article etc etc etc...', but this is clearly the best name for this article, barring some sort of retroactive naming in the Fun Pub material that does not appear to be in the offing -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

			: anyone that would like to [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/crisisofcommand.rar read the original story] for context, feel free. (I don't think Titan ever collected this.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Steve-o: New page: Derik, are you sure that's a name and not merely a description with a dramatic adjective/noun inversion? I ''really'' doubt the Decepticons would have named their base "Fortress Sinister"...

2007-05-30T01:03:59Z

New page: Derik, are you sure that's a name and not merely a description with a dramatic adjective/noun inversion? I ''really'' doubt the Decepticons would have named their base "Fortress Sinister"...

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Derik, are you sure that's a name and not merely a description with a dramatic adjective/noun inversion? I ''really'' doubt the Decepticons would have named their base "Fortress Sinister". Granted, the pre-BW G1 Decepticons apparently named their ship ''Nemesis'', but that is cut and dried -- it is clearly the name of the ship. This... this is very weak ground, sort of like ''Darkside'' if there had never been any later canonical sources that said yeah, the ship's called ''Darkside''. Admittedly, I'm not saying the title needs to be changed... maybe decapitalize "Sinister" at most. But unless the name appears again, I don't think we should assume it is actually a name. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:03, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:I suppose there's still the question of whether we'd want to keep the redirect, but having the content of [[Decepticon Fortress]] at this namespace seems like a no-brainer for me.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]] 22:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)		:I suppose there's still the question of whether we'd want to keep the redirect, but having the content of [[Decepticon Fortress]] at this namespace seems like a no-brainer for me.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]] 22:06, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

	::Agreed. (Wikipedia has a wider ranger of merge templates to reflect specific types of changes, this would be 'move into' I think, but we so seldome have to deal with it...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::Agreed. (Wikipedia has a wider ranger of merge templates to reflect specific types of changes, this would be 'move into' I think, but we so seldome have to deal with it...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 22:40, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

			:::Ahhh, okay. I was wondering why we were giving the admins the work of deleting something at all, but the preservation of the DF page history makes sense. So, uh, never mind then. - [[User:Jackpot\|Jackpot]] 23:56, 13 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:While I think Collins ''did intend'' to establish this as the place's name- it ultimately doesn't matter. Because, as you say, like Darkside, it's the best convenient 'handle' by which to refer to a base that appears a ''lot''. I have no qualms if the final article includes a note 'It is referred to as such in UK #44, this may not represent a proper name but for the sake of this article etc etc etc...', but this is clearly the best name for this article, barring some sort of retroactive naming in the Fun Pub material that does not appear to be in the offing -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)		:While I think Collins ''did intend'' to establish this as the place's name- it ultimately doesn't matter. Because, as you say, like Darkside, it's the best convenient 'handle' by which to refer to a base that appears a ''lot''. I have no qualms if the final article includes a note 'It is referred to as such in UK #44, this may not represent a proper name but for the sake of this article etc etc etc...', but this is clearly the best name for this article, barring some sort of retroactive naming in the Fun Pub material that does not appear to be in the offing -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

	: anyone that would like to [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/crisisofcommand.rar read the original story] for context, feel free. (I don't think Titan ever collected this.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		: anyone that would like to [http://www.emopanda.com/tmp/crisisofcommand.rar read the original story] for context, feel free. (I don't think Titan ever collected this.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:45, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

			:Steve-o, judging by its use in the scan, it sounds like its name to me. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 02:18, 30 May 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>