Talk:Frank Milkovich - Revision history

Jimsorenson: /* pedBoydayowew */

2011-08-27T21:56:51Z

pedBoydayowew

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:56, 27 August 2011
Line 75:		Line 75:

	That said... Milkovich himself in that thread is ''unreasonably'' polite and articulate in the face of artistic criticism, which makes me seriously question if our annoying, flaming, grammatically-challenged anon is actually him. (though anon DID pop up right after FM's own user account did some editing. Maybe anon is his boyfriend or something.) -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 11:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		That said... Milkovich himself in that thread is ''unreasonably'' polite and articulate in the face of artistic criticism, which makes me seriously question if our annoying, flaming, grammatically-challenged anon is actually him. (though anon DID pop up right after FM's own user account did some editing. Maybe anon is his boyfriend or something.) -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 11:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

	~~== pedBoydayowew ==~~

	~~enfodeJeore <a href=kuygkyudu.com>jufufduy</a> adeklyAdalock~~

91.207.8.46: /* pedBoydayowew */ new section

2011-08-27T21:54:53Z

pedBoydayowew: new section

← Older revision		Revision as of 21:54, 27 August 2011
Line 75:		Line 75:

	That said... Milkovich himself in that thread is ''unreasonably'' polite and articulate in the face of artistic criticism, which makes me seriously question if our annoying, flaming, grammatically-challenged anon is actually him. (though anon DID pop up right after FM's own user account did some editing. Maybe anon is his boyfriend or something.) -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 11:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		That said... Milkovich himself in that thread is ''unreasonably'' polite and articulate in the face of artistic criticism, which makes me seriously question if our annoying, flaming, grammatically-challenged anon is actually him. (though anon DID pop up right after FM's own user account did some editing. Maybe anon is his boyfriend or something.) -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 11:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

			== pedBoydayowew ==

			enfodeJeore <a href=kuygkyudu.com>jufufduy</a> adeklyAdalock

Nevermore: /* All this being said... */

2009-08-08T10:15:43Z

All this being said...

← Older revision		Revision as of 10:15, 8 August 2009
Line 69:		Line 69:
	:AND here we go again [[User:Eire]] 10.59 Aug 6 09 (UTC)		:AND here we go again [[User:Eire]] 10.59 Aug 6 09 (UTC)
	::Though he's been a shmuck here, as a broader resource we shouldn't be basing our coverage so much on the fact that he's been a shmuck here. I tried my hand at a compromise version of the article, removing his shmucky quote and shortening the fan criticism down to a more basic level. I don't think we have to bend over backwards trying to find specific citations of complaints about his Erector-set style because, I mean, ''it's true.'' This effort represents the totality of my patience with Mr. Milkovich. He's not yet at Floro Dery's level of cross-fandom forum-poisoning and self-worship, hence why I tried toning things down; however, it's sure starting to look like he views that approach as a good idea. If he keeps going down that path, the gloves come off. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 10:55, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		::Though he's been a shmuck here, as a broader resource we shouldn't be basing our coverage so much on the fact that he's been a shmuck here. I tried my hand at a compromise version of the article, removing his shmucky quote and shortening the fan criticism down to a more basic level. I don't think we have to bend over backwards trying to find specific citations of complaints about his Erector-set style because, I mean, ''it's true.'' This effort represents the totality of my patience with Mr. Milkovich. He's not yet at Floro Dery's level of cross-fandom forum-poisoning and self-worship, hence why I tried toning things down; however, it's sure starting to look like he views that approach as a good idea. If he keeps going down that path, the gloves come off. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 10:55, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
			:::And the Floro Dery issue started out as a partial misunderstanding and got eventually blown way out of proportion.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 06:15, 8 August 2009 (EDT)

	==Cite request==		==Cite request==

Repowers: /* Cite request */

2009-08-06T15:11:25Z

Cite request

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:11, 6 August 2009
Line 73:		Line 73:
	Which fans? How 'bout [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41310&hl=milkovich these fans]? Or[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/comic-books-graphic-novels/161845-beast-wars-sourcebook-3-discussion-3.html these fans]? (both groups include some regular editors here, in the interest of disclosure.) I'm sure other boards would yield other results, but I rarely venture beyond AllSpark, so I dunno where to look.		Which fans? How 'bout [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41310&hl=milkovich these fans]? Or[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/comic-books-graphic-novels/161845-beast-wars-sourcebook-3-discussion-3.html these fans]? (both groups include some regular editors here, in the interest of disclosure.) I'm sure other boards would yield other results, but I rarely venture beyond AllSpark, so I dunno where to look.

	That said... Milkovich himself in that thread is ''unreasonably'' polite and articulate in the face of artistic criticism, which makes me seriously question if our annoying, flaming, grammatically-challenged anon is actually him. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 11:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		That said... Milkovich himself in that thread is ''unreasonably'' polite and articulate in the face of artistic criticism, which makes me seriously question if our annoying, flaming, grammatically-challenged anon is actually him. (though anon DID pop up right after FM's own user account did some editing. Maybe anon is his boyfriend or something.) -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 11:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Repowers: /* All this being said... */

2009-08-06T15:09:19Z

All this being said...

← Older revision		Revision as of 15:09, 6 August 2009
Line 69:		Line 69:
	:AND here we go again [[User:Eire]] 10.59 Aug 6 09 (UTC)		:AND here we go again [[User:Eire]] 10.59 Aug 6 09 (UTC)
	::Though he's been a shmuck here, as a broader resource we shouldn't be basing our coverage so much on the fact that he's been a shmuck here. I tried my hand at a compromise version of the article, removing his shmucky quote and shortening the fan criticism down to a more basic level. I don't think we have to bend over backwards trying to find specific citations of complaints about his Erector-set style because, I mean, ''it's true.'' This effort represents the totality of my patience with Mr. Milkovich. He's not yet at Floro Dery's level of cross-fandom forum-poisoning and self-worship, hence why I tried toning things down; however, it's sure starting to look like he views that approach as a good idea. If he keeps going down that path, the gloves come off. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 10:55, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		::Though he's been a shmuck here, as a broader resource we shouldn't be basing our coverage so much on the fact that he's been a shmuck here. I tried my hand at a compromise version of the article, removing his shmucky quote and shortening the fan criticism down to a more basic level. I don't think we have to bend over backwards trying to find specific citations of complaints about his Erector-set style because, I mean, ''it's true.'' This effort represents the totality of my patience with Mr. Milkovich. He's not yet at Floro Dery's level of cross-fandom forum-poisoning and self-worship, hence why I tried toning things down; however, it's sure starting to look like he views that approach as a good idea. If he keeps going down that path, the gloves come off. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 10:55, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

			==Cite request==
			Which fans? How 'bout [http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=41310&hl=milkovich these fans]? Or[http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/comic-books-graphic-novels/161845-beast-wars-sourcebook-3-discussion-3.html these fans]? (both groups include some regular editors here, in the interest of disclosure.) I'm sure other boards would yield other results, but I rarely venture beyond AllSpark, so I dunno where to look.

			That said... Milkovich himself in that thread is ''unreasonably'' polite and articulate in the face of artistic criticism, which makes me seriously question if our annoying, flaming, grammatically-challenged anon is actually him. -- [[User:Repowers\|Repowers]] 11:09, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Thylacine 2000: /* All this being said... */

2009-08-06T14:55:40Z

All this being said...

← Older revision		Revision as of 14:55, 6 August 2009
Line 68:		Line 68:
	...The article sucks. The "criticism" section is a long rant that's basically citing opinion as fact. The quote following it is lacking context. I don't mind a critical article, but the way it's done right now comes across as a huge "Take THAT!" I mean, the art DOES suck, and Milkovich does come across as a dick, but that doesn't mean we should have a huge "This dude sucks" article.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 05:53, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		...The article sucks. The "criticism" section is a long rant that's basically citing opinion as fact. The quote following it is lacking context. I don't mind a critical article, but the way it's done right now comes across as a huge "Take THAT!" I mean, the art DOES suck, and Milkovich does come across as a dick, but that doesn't mean we should have a huge "This dude sucks" article.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 05:53, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
	:AND here we go again [[User:Eire]] 10.59 Aug 6 09 (UTC)		:AND here we go again [[User:Eire]] 10.59 Aug 6 09 (UTC)
			::Though he's been a shmuck here, as a broader resource we shouldn't be basing our coverage so much on the fact that he's been a shmuck here. I tried my hand at a compromise version of the article, removing his shmucky quote and shortening the fan criticism down to a more basic level. I don't think we have to bend over backwards trying to find specific citations of complaints about his Erector-set style because, I mean, ''it's true.'' This effort represents the totality of my patience with Mr. Milkovich. He's not yet at Floro Dery's level of cross-fandom forum-poisoning and self-worship, hence why I tried toning things down; however, it's sure starting to look like he views that approach as a good idea. If he keeps going down that path, the gloves come off. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] 10:55, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Eire: /* All this being said... */

2009-08-06T10:00:21Z

All this being said...

← Older revision		Revision as of 10:00, 6 August 2009
Line 67:		Line 67:

	...The article sucks. The "criticism" section is a long rant that's basically citing opinion as fact. The quote following it is lacking context. I don't mind a critical article, but the way it's done right now comes across as a huge "Take THAT!" I mean, the art DOES suck, and Milkovich does come across as a dick, but that doesn't mean we should have a huge "This dude sucks" article.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 05:53, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		...The article sucks. The "criticism" section is a long rant that's basically citing opinion as fact. The quote following it is lacking context. I don't mind a critical article, but the way it's done right now comes across as a huge "Take THAT!" I mean, the art DOES suck, and Milkovich does come across as a dick, but that doesn't mean we should have a huge "This dude sucks" article.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 05:53, 6 August 2009 (EDT)
			:AND here we go again [[User:Eire]] 10.59 Aug 6 09 (UTC)

Nevermore: /* All this being said... */

2009-08-06T09:54:49Z

All this being said...

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:54, 6 August 2009
Line 66:		Line 66:
	== All this being said... ==		== All this being said... ==

	...The article sucks. The "criticism" section is a long rant that's basically citing opinion as fact. The quote following it is lacking context. I don't mind a critical article, but the way it's done right now comes across as a huge "Take THAT!"--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 05:53, 6 August 2009 (EDT)		...The article sucks. The "criticism" section is a long rant that's basically citing opinion as fact. The quote following it is lacking context. I don't mind a critical article, but the way it's done right now comes across as a huge "Take THAT!" I mean, the art DOES suck, and Milkovich does come across as a dick, but that doesn't mean we should have a huge "This dude sucks" article.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 05:53, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Nevermore: /* All this being said... */ new section

2009-08-06T09:53:21Z

All this being said...: new section

← Older revision		Revision as of 09:53, 6 August 2009
Line 63:		Line 63:
	:You then proceeded to be a colossal dick to someone who made a sarcastic suggestion in response to you editing your won page—something we take a dim view of because of the obvious conflict-of-interest issues it can present—rapidly descending into personal insults and holier-than-thou denouements.		:You then proceeded to be a colossal dick to someone who made a sarcastic suggestion in response to you editing your won page—something we take a dim view of because of the obvious conflict-of-interest issues it can present—rapidly descending into personal insults and holier-than-thou denouements.
	:It doesn't ''have'' to be a vast conspiracy or secret cabal hellbent on destroying your reputation. I haven't even been taking part in this conversation and you've ''still'' managed to make a negative impression on me. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:34, 5 August 2009 (EDT)		:It doesn't ''have'' to be a vast conspiracy or secret cabal hellbent on destroying your reputation. I haven't even been taking part in this conversation and you've ''still'' managed to make a negative impression on me. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:34, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

			== All this being said... ==

			...The article sucks. The "criticism" section is a long rant that's basically citing opinion as fact. The quote following it is lacking context. I don't mind a critical article, but the way it's done right now comes across as a huge "Take THAT!"--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] 05:53, 6 August 2009 (EDT)

Derik at 17:34, 5 August 2009

2009-08-05T17:34:39Z

← Older revision		Revision as of 17:34, 5 August 2009
Line 58:		Line 58:

	Oh wow, this is neat. Anondude is the same guy who tried to whitewash the Frank Milkovich article ''over a year ago''. And we're the obsessed ones with no lives. Right.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:34, 5 August 2009 (EDT)		Oh wow, this is neat. Anondude is the same guy who tried to whitewash the Frank Milkovich article ''over a year ago''. And we're the obsessed ones with no lives. Right.--[[User:Rosicrucian\|Rosicrucian]][[User Talk:Rosicrucian\|<sup>Talk</sup>]] 11:34, 5 August 2009 (EDT)

			:Hey Mr. Milkovich, do you have a headshot we could use for your article?
			:Also I feel compelled to point out that this talk page began with a discussion of ''softening'' this article, with several longtime users arguing that any [http://shortpacked.livejournal.com/311015.html criticism of your art style] wasn't widespread enough to be notable for this article, and contention that you'd essentially "been a dick to some guys once online" wasn't fair and probably wasn't representative of your personality.
			:You then proceeded to be a colossal dick to someone who made a sarcastic suggestion in response to you editing your won page—something we take a dim view of because of the obvious conflict-of-interest issues it can present—rapidly descending into personal insults and holier-than-thou denouements.
			:It doesn't ''have'' to be a vast conspiracy or secret cabal hellbent on destroying your reputation. I haven't even been taking part in this conversation and you've ''still'' managed to make a negative impression on me. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 13:34, 5 August 2009 (EDT)