Talk:Galvatron (G1) - Revision history

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	I feel like the bit that links to Galvatron II should have an image from the Marvel comic,rather than the stuff added after-the-fact to him. Anyone got any good ideas? The last page of issue 71, perhaps? [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 17:56, 24 February 2019 (EST)		I feel like the bit that links to Galvatron II should have an image from the Marvel comic,rather than the stuff added after-the-fact to him. Anyone got any good ideas? The last page of issue 71, perhaps? [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 17:56, 24 February 2019 (EST)

	~~== Galvatron == Megatron, or Unicron likes to waste time ==~~

	Unicron can create new life from the dead we must assume: that or he can modify the life essences of the living/dying, giving them not only new personalities but also setting different levels of intellect.

	~~Taking the characters seen to be reformatted:~~

	~~Shrapnel -- slightly demented, verbal tic, cynical, loyal only to Insecticon cause.~~
	~~Kickback -- suave blackmailer. Cynical, loyal only to Insecticon cause.~~
	~~Bombshell -- sadistic mind controller, some scientific skill shown in cartoon universe, e.g. Enter the Nightbird. Cynical, loyal only to Insecticon cause.~~
	~~Skywarp -- unbelievably dumb, cruel, violent.~~
	Thundercracker -- not too bright, but has some objectivity. Arrogant, contemptuous of those that cannot fly but cynical about how the cause should be fought, pities as well as looks down upon "the inferior". Insecure.

	~~They become:~~

	Cyclonus -- extremely loyal to Galvatron specifically, fairly intelligent, fearless, leadership skills, supposedly emotionless but the cartoon version is a bit highly strung at times and is even shown to have a sense of humour.
	~~Scourge -- not brave but a thinker, strong enough will to resist Starscream, ambitious (Burden Hardest to Bear), some leadership skills but Sweeps don't respect him.~~
	~~Sweeps -- generally whiny, occasionally disobedient, fearful of Cyclonus.~~

	No comparisons there. But Galvatron is Megatron, and that's that. Why would Unicron waste time negotiating with him if he could just reprogram him? Unicron wanted Megatron because he was a natural leader, cunning, hated the Autobots and had a wealth of knowledge about his enemies. He could have programmed out the ambition, treacherousness etc but didn't because he needed Megatron's mind whole. The whole "Megatron wouldn't have killed Starscream" argument has merit given the long history of forgiving even worse treachery (Countdown to Extinction, for example). But Galvatron is more powerful, it seems, and he now has Cyclonus and Scourge. Starscream had additionally thrown him out when he was dying, which is more obvious in the older scripts (e.g. the "Enshrine me!" line) and that's different to betraying him while he was at full fitness -- there would be a new leader anyway, but Starscream wasn't even going to give him a dignified end, perhaps that was the last straw.

	~~But one way or another, he's still Megatron. [[User:PaMat1000\|PaMat1000]] ([[User talk:PaMat1000\|talk]]) 17:15, 18 July 2021 (EDT)~~

PaMat1000: /* Galvatron == Megatron, or Unicron likes to waste time */ new section

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Galvatron == Megatron, or Unicron likes to waste time: new section

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	I feel like the bit that links to Galvatron II should have an image from the Marvel comic,rather than the stuff added after-the-fact to him. Anyone got any good ideas? The last page of issue 71, perhaps? [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 17:56, 24 February 2019 (EST)		I feel like the bit that links to Galvatron II should have an image from the Marvel comic,rather than the stuff added after-the-fact to him. Anyone got any good ideas? The last page of issue 71, perhaps? [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 17:56, 24 February 2019 (EST)

			== Galvatron == Megatron, or Unicron likes to waste time ==

			Unicron can create new life from the dead we must assume: that or he can modify the life essences of the living/dying, giving them not only new personalities but also setting different levels of intellect.

			Taking the characters seen to be reformatted:

			Shrapnel -- slightly demented, verbal tic, cynical, loyal only to Insecticon cause.
			Kickback -- suave blackmailer. Cynical, loyal only to Insecticon cause.
			Bombshell -- sadistic mind controller, some scientific skill shown in cartoon universe, e.g. Enter the Nightbird. Cynical, loyal only to Insecticon cause.
			Skywarp -- unbelievably dumb, cruel, violent.
			Thundercracker -- not too bright, but has some objectivity. Arrogant, contemptuous of those that cannot fly but cynical about how the cause should be fought, pities as well as looks down upon "the inferior". Insecure.

			They become:

			Cyclonus -- extremely loyal to Galvatron specifically, fairly intelligent, fearless, leadership skills, supposedly emotionless but the cartoon version is a bit highly strung at times and is even shown to have a sense of humour.
			Scourge -- not brave but a thinker, strong enough will to resist Starscream, ambitious (Burden Hardest to Bear), some leadership skills but Sweeps don't respect him.
			Sweeps -- generally whiny, occasionally disobedient, fearful of Cyclonus.

			No comparisons there. But Galvatron is Megatron, and that's that. Why would Unicron waste time negotiating with him if he could just reprogram him? Unicron wanted Megatron because he was a natural leader, cunning, hated the Autobots and had a wealth of knowledge about his enemies. He could have programmed out the ambition, treacherousness etc but didn't because he needed Megatron's mind whole. The whole "Megatron wouldn't have killed Starscream" argument has merit given the long history of forgiving even worse treachery (Countdown to Extinction, for example). But Galvatron is more powerful, it seems, and he now has Cyclonus and Scourge. Starscream had additionally thrown him out when he was dying, which is more obvious in the older scripts (e.g. the "Enshrine me!" line) and that's different to betraying him while he was at full fitness -- there would be a new leader anyway, but Starscream wasn't even going to give him a dignified end, perhaps that was the last straw.

			But one way or another, he's still Megatron. [[User:PaMat1000\|PaMat1000]] ([[User talk:PaMat1000\|talk]]) 17:15, 18 July 2021 (EDT)

Escargon: /* Galvatron II linkout */ new section

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Galvatron II linkout: new section

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	Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)		Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)
	:[[Devastation issue 6]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)		:[[Devastation issue 6]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)

			== Galvatron II linkout ==

			I feel like the bit that links to Galvatron II should have an image from the Marvel comic,rather than the stuff added after-the-fact to him. Anyone got any good ideas? The last page of issue 71, perhaps? [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 17:56, 24 February 2019 (EST)

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	[[~~Image~~:~~GalvatronTVMag1~~.jpg\|right\|200px\|thumb\|He has a weird tendency to aim at his own troops.]]		[[File:GalvatronOhiraOX.jpg\|right\|200px\|thumb\|He has a weird tendency to aim at his own troops.]]

	==Galvatron 2==		==Galvatron 2==

Takeshi357: /* Marvel page? */

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	Since Galvatron had a big role in the Marvel universe, shouldn't we split it into [[Galvatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]]?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.163.24\|71.255.163.24]] 13:59, 25 August 2012 (EDT)		Since Galvatron had a big role in the Marvel universe, shouldn't we split it into [[Galvatron (G1)/Marvel Comics continuity]]?[[Special:Contributions/71.255.163.24\|71.255.163.24]] 13:59, 25 August 2012 (EDT)
	:IMHO the article isn't big enough to warrant splitting more of it off. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 18:54, 25 August 2012 (EDT)		:IMHO the article isn't big enough to warrant splitting more of it off. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 18:54, 25 August 2012 (EDT)
			:I couldn't help but to notice that the section header says events taking place in the UK comics are in italics...and then the ''entire section is in italics''. Wouldn't it be better to just have the section renamed "Marvel UK"? The single US comic is already under it's own subsection anyway. [[User:Takeshi357\|Takeshi357]] ([[User talk:Takeshi357\|talk]]) 20:41, 27 July 2015 (EDT)

	== IDW Apperances ==		== IDW Apperances ==

Ascendron at 20:51, 20 July 2015

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	:It is canon (not "cannon", there's a difference) with itself and would qualify as a [[micro-continuity]] just like the various Big Looker storybooks and other ridiculous oddities that fill Generation 1. The fact that segments of it are stop-motion (while just as much is animated) does not mean it should be disqualified from inclusion. The fact that it marks the first appearance of Galvatron in Japan is most certainly notable. ''Also'', if you spent a little time perusing this wiki you might notice that we actually ''do'' include the story tidbits [[Nightbeat (G1)\|revealed]] [[Horrorcon\|in]] [[Gutcruncher (G1)\|television]] [[Stratotronic Jet\|commercials]]. The fact that the Scramble City (toys) OVA was actually ''sold in stores'' and lasted a half hour makes it even ''more'' notable than television commercials. ''Imagine that''. Furthermore, combining clips of various episodes to make new stories is something done routinely in Japanese Transformer animation, once again making the Scramble City (toys) OVA more than just a "half hour toy commercial" (though I feel like laughing every time I hear that).		:It is canon (not "cannon", there's a difference) with itself and would qualify as a [[micro-continuity]] just like the various Big Looker storybooks and other ridiculous oddities that fill Generation 1. The fact that segments of it are stop-motion (while just as much is animated) does not mean it should be disqualified from inclusion. The fact that it marks the first appearance of Galvatron in Japan is most certainly notable. ''Also'', if you spent a little time perusing this wiki you might notice that we actually ''do'' include the story tidbits [[Nightbeat (G1)\|revealed]] [[Horrorcon\|in]] [[Gutcruncher (G1)\|television]] [[Stratotronic Jet\|commercials]]. The fact that the Scramble City (toys) OVA was actually ''sold in stores'' and lasted a half hour makes it even ''more'' notable than television commercials. ''Imagine that''. Furthermore, combining clips of various episodes to make new stories is something done routinely in Japanese Transformer animation, once again making the Scramble City (toys) OVA more than just a "half hour toy commercial" (though I feel like laughing every time I hear that).
	The fact of the matter is, at this wiki we strive to be as comprehensive as possible, including all different continuities, large or small, whether they're canon with any primary fiction or not. That includes [[Action Master\|toy packaging blurbs]], [[Rad\|television commercials]], [[Decoy\|pack-in comics]] and, yes, the bizarre stop-motion OVA such as "Scramble City (toys)". --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 05:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)		The fact of the matter is, at this wiki we strive to be as comprehensive as possible, including all different continuities, large or small, whether they're canon with any primary fiction or not. That includes [[Action Master\|toy packaging blurbs]], [[Rad (G1)\|television commercials]], [[Decoy\|pack-in comics]] and, yes, the bizarre stop-motion OVA such as "Scramble City (toys)". --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 05:24, 28 July 2007 (UTC)

	Wow.		Wow.

Starfield: /* IDW Apperances */

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	: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)		: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)
	Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)		Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)
	:[[Devastation issue 5]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)		:[[Devastation issue 6]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)

Starfield: /* IDW Apperances */

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	: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)		: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)
	Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)		Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)
			:[[Devastation issue 5]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)

Transfan 1992: /* IDW Apperances */

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	Have Galvatron and Megatron ever appeared in the same story in IDW?[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 18:31, 2 December 2012 (EST)		Have Galvatron and Megatron ever appeared in the same story in IDW?[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 18:31, 2 December 2012 (EST)
	: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)		: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)
			Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)

ItsWalky: /* IDW Apperances */

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	Have Galvatron and Megatron ever appeared in the same story in IDW?[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 18:31, 2 December 2012 (EST)		Have Galvatron and Megatron ever appeared in the same story in IDW?[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 18:31, 2 December 2012 (EST)
			: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)

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	: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)		: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)
	Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)		Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)
	:[[Devastation issue 5]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)		:[[Devastation issue 6]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)

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	: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)		: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)
	Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)		Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)
			:[[Devastation issue 5]]. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 16:00, 10 December 2012 (EST)

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	Have Galvatron and Megatron ever appeared in the same story in IDW?[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 18:31, 2 December 2012 (EST)		Have Galvatron and Megatron ever appeared in the same story in IDW?[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 18:31, 2 December 2012 (EST)
	: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)		: Yes. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 18:52, 2 December 2012 (EST)
			Name one, because I can't find one.[[User:Transfan 1992\|Transfan 1992]] 15:49, 10 December 2012 (EST)