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	:[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+grief Come to Grief] and idiom meaning to suffer bad luck- I believe it evolved from the idea that one would simply stumble into (come upon) a situation that'd bite you in the ass. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)		:[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+grief Come to Grief] and idiom meaning to suffer bad luck- I believe it evolved from the idea that one would simply stumble into (come upon) a situation that'd bite you in the ass. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

	::Ah. Good to know. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		::Ah. Good to know. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

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	:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)		:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

	:[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+grief Come to Grief] and idiom meaning to suffer bad luck- I believe it evolved from the idea that one would simply stumble into (come upon) a situation that'd bite you in the ass. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+grief Come to Grief] and idiom meaning to suffer bad luck- I believe it evolved from the idea that one would simply stumble into (come upon) a situation that'd bite you in the ass. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

			::Ah. Good to know. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:I have to say, "coming to grief" sounds really awkward. I've never heard the phrase before, and it just sounds like bad English. Second, Getaway was hardly singled out for these incidents. Dirge's propensity for dying is mentioned because of (A) His knack for morbid "Death comes..." lines and (B) his tendency to die alone or in pairs, sometimes multiple times in a single continuity. This is hardly what happened to Getaway. His deaths don't "belong to him": yeah, he died in #67 and #80, but you know what? ''So did every other Autobot.'' He also was not a "major casualty" in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing -- [[Fallen Star!]] was five pages of filler that had no effect on anything, and in #66, Getaway appeared at the bottom of two panels getting hit, and was perfectly fine the next time we saw the Ark in #69. A "major casualty" would be someone like Landmine or Chromedome, whose injuries were focused on in the story.		:I have to say, "coming to grief" sounds really awkward. I've never heard the phrase before, and it just sounds like bad English. Second, Getaway was hardly singled out for these incidents. Dirge's propensity for dying is mentioned because of (A) His knack for morbid "Death comes..." lines and (B) his tendency to die alone or in pairs, sometimes multiple times in a single continuity. This is hardly what happened to Getaway. His deaths don't "belong to him": yeah, he died in #67 and #80, but you know what? ''So did every other Autobot.'' He also was not a "major casualty" in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing -- [[Fallen Star!]] was five pages of filler that had no effect on anything, and in #66, Getaway appeared at the bottom of two panels getting hit, and was perfectly fine the next time we saw the Ark in #69. A "major casualty" would be someone like Landmine or Chromedome, whose injuries were focused on in the story.

	:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

			:[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+grief Come to Grief] and idiom meaning to suffer bad luck- I believe it evolved from the idea that one would simply stumble into (come upon) a situation that'd bite you in the ass. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	It's similar to [[Dirge (G1)\|Dirge]] whose article notes he has a propensity to dies a lot, although to get the death count up it does involve rummaging through some micro continuities. Getaway gets killed at least three times at the hands of Furman, is also a major casualty in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing and this even pops up on his Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaway_%28Transformers%29 "After this [ [[People Power!]] ] Getaway wouldn't have many appearances - and those he did usually ended badly." Certainly three deaths and two other vicious beatings, all in the space of less than two years publication time, is coming to grief a lot. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 00:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)		It's similar to [[Dirge (G1)\|Dirge]] whose article notes he has a propensity to dies a lot, although to get the death count up it does involve rummaging through some micro continuities. Getaway gets killed at least three times at the hands of Furman, is also a major casualty in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing and this even pops up on his Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaway_%28Transformers%29 "After this [ [[People Power!]] ] Getaway wouldn't have many appearances - and those he did usually ended badly." Certainly three deaths and two other vicious beatings, all in the space of less than two years publication time, is coming to grief a lot. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 00:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

	:I have to say, "coming to grief" sounds really awkward. I've never heard the phrase before, and it just sounds like bad English. Second, Getaway was hardly singled out for these incidents. Dirge's propensity for dying is mentioned because of (A) His knack for morbid "Death comes..." lines and (B) his tendency to die alone or in pairs, sometimes multiple times in a single continuity. This is hardly what happened to Getaway. His deaths don't "belong to him": yeah, he died in #67 and #80, but you know what? ''So did every other Autobot.'' He also was not a "major casualty" in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing -- [[Fallen Star!]] was five ~~issues~~ of filler that had no effect on anything, and in #66, Getaway appeared at the bottom of two panels getting hit, and was perfectly fine the next time we saw the Ark in #69. A "major casualty" would be someone like Landmine or Chromedome, whose injuries were focused on in the story.		:I have to say, "coming to grief" sounds really awkward. I've never heard the phrase before, and it just sounds like bad English. Second, Getaway was hardly singled out for these incidents. Dirge's propensity for dying is mentioned because of (A) His knack for morbid "Death comes..." lines and (B) his tendency to die alone or in pairs, sometimes multiple times in a single continuity. This is hardly what happened to Getaway. His deaths don't "belong to him": yeah, he died in #67 and #80, but you know what? ''So did every other Autobot.'' He also was not a "major casualty" in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing -- [[Fallen Star!]] was five pages of filler that had no effect on anything, and in #66, Getaway appeared at the bottom of two panels getting hit, and was perfectly fine the next time we saw the Ark in #69. A "major casualty" would be someone like Landmine or Chromedome, whose injuries were focused on in the story.

	:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)		:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

	It's similar to [[Dirge (G1)\|Dirge]] whose article notes he has a propensity to dies a lot, although to get the death count up it does involve rummaging through some micro continuities. Getaway gets killed at least three times at the hands of Furman, is also a major casualty in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing and this even pops up on his Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaway_%28Transformers%29 "After this [ [[People Power!]] ] Getaway wouldn't have many appearances - and those he did usually ended badly." Certainly three deaths and two other vicious beatings, all in the space of less than two years publication time, is coming to grief a lot. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 00:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		It's similar to [[Dirge (G1)\|Dirge]] whose article notes he has a propensity to dies a lot, although to get the death count up it does involve rummaging through some micro continuities. Getaway gets killed at least three times at the hands of Furman, is also a major casualty in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing and this even pops up on his Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaway_%28Transformers%29 "After this [ [[People Power!]] ] Getaway wouldn't have many appearances - and those he did usually ended badly." Certainly three deaths and two other vicious beatings, all in the space of less than two years publication time, is coming to grief a lot. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 00:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

			:I have to say, "coming to grief" sounds really awkward. I've never heard the phrase before, and it just sounds like bad English. Second, Getaway was hardly singled out for these incidents. Dirge's propensity for dying is mentioned because of (A) His knack for morbid "Death comes..." lines and (B) his tendency to die alone or in pairs, sometimes multiple times in a single continuity. This is hardly what happened to Getaway. His deaths don't "belong to him": yeah, he died in #67 and #80, but you know what? ''So did every other Autobot.'' He also was not a "major casualty" in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing -- [[Fallen Star!]] was five issues of filler that had no effect on anything, and in #66, Getaway appeared at the bottom of two panels getting hit, and was perfectly fine the next time we saw the Ark in #69. A "major casualty" would be someone like Landmine or Chromedome, whose injuries were focused on in the story.

			:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix		I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix
	:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

			It's similar to [[Dirge (G1)\|Dirge]] whose article notes he has a propensity to dies a lot, although to get the death count up it does involve rummaging through some micro continuities. Getaway gets killed at least three times at the hands of Furman, is also a major casualty in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing and this even pops up on his Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaway_%28Transformers%29 "After this [ [[People Power!]] ] Getaway wouldn't have many appearances - and those he did usually ended badly." Certainly three deaths and two other vicious beatings, all in the space of less than two years publication time, is coming to grief a lot. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 00:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)		:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

	I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix
			:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix		The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix

	:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

			I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	Where does this come from? Is it really necessary to the article? [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix		Where does this come from? Is it really necessary to the article? [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix
	:He's an escape artist who, in the actual fiction, is primarily notable getting killed a lot. Thus- he failed to 'get away.' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)		:He's an escape artist who, in the actual fiction, is primarily notable getting killed a lot. Thus- he failed to 'get away.' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
	The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix

			:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	Where does this come from? Is it really necessary to the article?~~{{unsigned~~\|Proconix}}		Where does this come from? Is it really necessary to the article? [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix
	:He's an escape artist who, in the actual fiction, is primarily notable getting killed a lot. Thus- he failed to 'get away.' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:He's an escape artist who, in the actual fiction, is primarily notable getting killed a lot. Thus- he failed to 'get away.' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
			The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)		:Getaway hardly suffered anymore than the rest of the Autobot "cannon fodder". Since its under contention, and hardly adds anything to the article, I'm going to remove the note. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:30, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

	:[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+grief Come to Grief] and idiom meaning to suffer bad luck- I believe it evolved from the idea that one would simply stumble into (come upon) a situation that'd bite you in the ass. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:[http://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/come+to+grief Come to Grief] and idiom meaning to suffer bad luck- I believe it evolved from the idea that one would simply stumble into (come upon) a situation that'd bite you in the ass. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 01:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

			::Ah. Good to know. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] 01:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix		I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix
	:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

			It's similar to [[Dirge (G1)\|Dirge]] whose article notes he has a propensity to dies a lot, although to get the death count up it does involve rummaging through some micro continuities. Getaway gets killed at least three times at the hands of Furman, is also a major casualty in battles with Starscream and Thunderwing and this even pops up on his Wikipedia article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Getaway_%28Transformers%29 "After this [ [[People Power!]] ] Getaway wouldn't have many appearances - and those he did usually ended badly." Certainly three deaths and two other vicious beatings, all in the space of less than two years publication time, is coming to grief a lot. [[User:Timrollpickering\|Timrollpickering]] 00:59, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)		:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

	I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix
			:He ''only'' died three times? That seems like a lot to me. - [[User:Semysane\|Semysane]] 00:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix		The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix

	:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

			I understand that, but he doesn't come to grief "often". Its only 3 times, one of which he was resurected.[[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:21, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	Where does this come from? Is it really necessary to the article? [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix		Where does this come from? Is it really necessary to the article? [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix
	:He's an escape artist who, in the actual fiction, is primarily notable getting killed a lot. Thus- he failed to 'get away.' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)		:He's an escape artist who, in the actual fiction, is primarily notable getting killed a lot. Thus- he failed to 'get away.' -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:12, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
	The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		The only deaths I see are the alternate future stories and the the one where he is ressurected by the Last Autobot. If I am wrong, then we should add that he has gotten killed more than is let on. [[User:Proconix\|Proconix]] 23:15, 7 June 2008 (UTC)Proconix

			:...then he still failed to get away in all those alternate futures, and from bludgeon's forces. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 23:19, 7 June 2008 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>