https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3AHasbro_Q%26A%2FJuly_2009%3A_AnswersTalk:Hasbro Q&A/July 2009: Answers - Revision history2026-09-16T16:11:36ZRevision history for this page on the wikiMediaWiki 1.45.3https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hasbro_Q%26A/July_2009:_Answers&diff=699504&oldid=prevAbates at 02:02, 23 March 20122012-03-23T02:02:24Z<p></p>
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</table>Jackpothttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hasbro_Q%26A/July_2009:_Answers&diff=349946&oldid=prevRosicrucian at 01:58, 11 August 20092009-08-11T01:58:52Z<p></p>
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</table>Rosicrucianhttps://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Hasbro_Q%26A/July_2009:_Answers&diff=349944&oldid=prevAbates at 01:56, 11 August 20092009-08-11T01:56:07Z<p></p>
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<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::Agreed. Also, Lee's answer comes really close to actually nailing the most objectionable thing about the "multiversal singularity" idea: New timelines are being formed all the time by quantum uncertainty, so therefore the singularities must be ''disappearing'' from universes left and right in the middle of battles or whatever. Lee's answer begins to address that by saying that The Fallen actually DOES exist in all those different timelines, but he just perceives them all from some elevated point of view. But then Lee backpedals in order to preserve the "singularity" part by saying that basically only one timeline will really "count" in the end, which is kind of anathema to how the TF multiverse works. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:38, 10 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::::::::Agreed. Also, Lee's answer comes really close to actually nailing the most objectionable thing about the "multiversal singularity" idea: New timelines are being formed all the time by quantum uncertainty, so therefore the singularities must be ''disappearing'' from universes left and right in the middle of battles or whatever. Lee's answer begins to address that by saying that The Fallen actually DOES exist in all those different timelines, but he just perceives them all from some elevated point of view. But then Lee backpedals in order to preserve the "singularity" part by saying that basically only one timeline will really "count" in the end, which is kind of anathema to how the TF multiverse works. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 21:38, 10 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::I took that as meaning that when there's a vicariance event and one quantum universal possibility branches off from another, if the Fallen was in the adjacent one he'd sorta bleed into the new one.... like an amoeba spreading around an obstacle in two streams at two different speeds, which eventually reunite. With pseudopods in both at once, his all-seeing woowoo would let him figure out everything that would happen in both and he'd end up in whichever universe was going to exist longer and/or had more time (if time existed) until his as-always-inevitable defeat. (And seriously, dude. At least Unicron was established in some Transtech story as having successfully devoured like 11% of all the universes.) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:47, 10 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::::::::I took that as meaning that when there's a vicariance event and one quantum universal possibility branches off from another, if the Fallen was in the adjacent one he'd sorta bleed into the new one.... like an amoeba spreading around an obstacle in two streams at two different speeds, which eventually reunite. With pseudopods in both at once, his all-seeing woowoo would let him figure out everything that would happen in both and he'd end up in whichever universe was going to exist longer and/or had more time (if time existed) until his as-always-inevitable defeat. (And seriously, dude. At least Unicron was established in some Transtech story as having successfully devoured like 11% of all the universes.) --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 21:47, 10 August 2009 (EDT)</div></td></tr>
<tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::::::::Really? I took it more like a dude playing a video game who hits Quick-Save every five seconds. If he fucks up, he goes across to the timeline where he DIDN'T fuck up. He's basically save-scumming, and because he exists in multiple dimensions, he can save-scum a LONG LONG TIME. It's just that TF fiction is the equivalent of [http://poetv.com/video.php?vid=22207 Kaizo Mario World.] Except for him, it looks like [http://poetv.com/video.php?vid=31555 THIS]. [[User:Hooper X|Hooper_X]] 21:52, 10 August 2009 (EDT)</ins></div></td></tr>
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