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Xaaron: /* Power Master Ironhide */

2014-12-21T23:17:55Z

Power Master Ironhide

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	::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	:::::I'm not huge fan of all this assumption stuff. Transformers also sometimes come back to life after being dead. Or end up being parallel versions of themselves from a different timeline/universe. Ironhide's appearance could be explained by any number of sci-fi tropes, really. I think we should just note on the original Ironhide page that AN Ironhide showed up at this time and place, but we have no way of knowing WHICH Ironhide this is. We can offer explanations, by saying he might be one of the clones, but we shouldn't presume he is. To say this is defenitely the clone is going too far in my opinion. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 15:22, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:::::I'm not huge fan of all this assumption stuff. Transformers also sometimes come back to life after being dead. Or end up being parallel versions of themselves from a different timeline/universe. Ironhide's appearance could be explained by any number of sci-fi tropes, really. I think we should just note on the original Ironhide page that AN Ironhide showed up at this time and place, but we have no way of knowing WHICH Ironhide this is. We can offer explanations, by saying he might be one of the clones, but we shouldn't presume he is. To say this is defenitely the clone is going too far in my opinion. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 15:22, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			::::::Obviously, we can't put Power Master Ironhide's appearance ''anywhere'' without a note detailing we don't know precisely who this Ironhide is. But no matter which page we put it on, it comes with an assumption. Either we're assuming the original Ironhide came back to life through circumstances unexplained, that the clone was reformatted through circumstances unexplained, or that a third Ironhide was introduced through circumstances unexplained. So which is the least presumptuous place to put it: the page for the dead guy, the living guy, or a guy we only assume might exist? I say number two, because he's the only Ironhide we KNOW was alive in ''Wings'' last we checked. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 18:17, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Ascendron: /* Power Master Ironhide */

2014-12-21T20:22:41Z

Power Master Ironhide

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	:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			:::::I'm not huge fan of all this assumption stuff. Transformers also sometimes come back to life after being dead. Or end up being parallel versions of themselves from a different timeline/universe. Ironhide's appearance could be explained by any number of sci-fi tropes, really. I think we should just note on the original Ironhide page that AN Ironhide showed up at this time and place, but we have no way of knowing WHICH Ironhide this is. We can offer explanations, by saying he might be one of the clones, but we shouldn't presume he is. To say this is defenitely the clone is going too far in my opinion. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 15:22, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Xaaron: /* Power Master Ironhide */

2014-12-21T19:11:22Z

Power Master Ironhide

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	::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)

SanityOrMadness: /* Power Master Ironhide */

2014-12-21T17:31:16Z

Power Master Ironhide

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	:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Jalaguy: /* Power Master Ironhide */

2014-12-21T17:12:17Z

Power Master Ironhide

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	In the Wings universe, [[Ironhide (G1)]] still died in TFTM. We know there's at least one [[Ironhide (G2)]] clone in the Wings universe, so the Power Master could be an upgraded version of that guy. Or, since Jhiaxus had multiple clones of characters like [[Soundwave (G2)]] and [[Soundwave (MW)]], he could've been ANOTHER Ironhide clone released from Jhiaxus's clone depot at the end of ''[[A Common Foe]]''. So should there be separate pages for Ironhide (G2 Gobot) and Ironhide (G2 Power Master), or should this guy be added to the Ironhide (G2) page? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)		In the Wings universe, [[Ironhide (G1)]] still died in TFTM. We know there's at least one [[Ironhide (G2)]] clone in the Wings universe, so the Power Master could be an upgraded version of that guy. Or, since Jhiaxus had multiple clones of characters like [[Soundwave (G2)]] and [[Soundwave (MW)]], he could've been ANOTHER Ironhide clone released from Jhiaxus's clone depot at the end of ''[[A Common Foe]]''. So should there be separate pages for Ironhide (G2 Gobot) and Ironhide (G2 Power Master), or should this guy be added to the Ironhide (G2) page? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Escargon: /* Power Master Ironhide */

2014-12-21T17:07:29Z

Power Master Ironhide

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	In the Wings universe, [[Ironhide (G1)]] still died in TFTM. We know there's at least one [[Ironhide (G2)]] clone in the Wings universe, so the Power Master could be an upgraded version of that guy. Or, since Jhiaxus had multiple clones of characters like [[Soundwave (G2)]] and [[Soundwave (MW)]], he could've been ANOTHER Ironhide clone released from Jhiaxus's clone depot at the end of ''[[A Common Foe]]''. So should there be separate pages for Ironhide (G2 Gobot) and Ironhide (G2 Power Master), or should this guy be added to the Ironhide (G2) page? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)		In the Wings universe, [[Ironhide (G1)]] still died in TFTM. We know there's at least one [[Ironhide (G2)]] clone in the Wings universe, so the Power Master could be an upgraded version of that guy. Or, since Jhiaxus had multiple clones of characters like [[Soundwave (G2)]] and [[Soundwave (MW)]], he could've been ANOTHER Ironhide clone released from Jhiaxus's clone depot at the end of ''[[A Common Foe]]''. So should there be separate pages for Ironhide (G2 Gobot) and Ironhide (G2 Power Master), or should this guy be added to the Ironhide (G2) page? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Xaaron at 16:44, 21 December 2014

2014-12-21T16:44:28Z

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	Roulette is there! And a bunch of identifiable silhouettes in the all-green bomb blast itself. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 02:20, 10 July 2014 (EDT)		Roulette is there! And a bunch of identifiable silhouettes in the all-green bomb blast itself. --[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo\|talk]]) 02:20, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

			==Power Master Ironhide==

			In the Wings universe, [[Ironhide (G1)]] still died in TFTM. We know there's at least one [[Ironhide (G2)]] clone in the Wings universe, so the Power Master could be an upgraded version of that guy. Or, since Jhiaxus had multiple clones of characters like [[Soundwave (G2)]] and [[Soundwave (MW)]], he could've been ANOTHER Ironhide clone released from Jhiaxus's clone depot at the end of ''[[A Common Foe]]''. So should there be separate pages for Ironhide (G2 Gobot) and Ironhide (G2 Power Master), or should this guy be added to the Ironhide (G2) page? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)

Monzo: Created page with "==Bombing Group== Big scan of the Autobot group being bombed for diagnostic purposes. [http://obscuretf.com/HoistTheFlagAutoBombs.jpg Image] Roulette is there! And a bunch ..."

2014-07-10T06:20:52Z

Created page with "==Bombing Group== Big scan of the Autobot group being bombed for diagnostic purposes. [http://obscuretf.com/HoistTheFlagAutoBombs.jpg Image] Roulette is there! And a bunch ..."

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==Bombing Group==

Big scan of the Autobot group being bombed for diagnostic purposes.

[http://obscuretf.com/HoistTheFlagAutoBombs.jpg Image]

Roulette is there! And a bunch of identifiable silhouettes in the all-green bomb blast itself. --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 02:20, 10 July 2014 (EDT)

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	::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	:::::I'm not huge fan of all this assumption stuff. Transformers also sometimes come back to life after being dead. Or end up being parallel versions of themselves from a different timeline/universe. Ironhide's appearance could be explained by any number of sci-fi tropes, really. I think we should just note on the original Ironhide page that AN Ironhide showed up at this time and place, but we have no way of knowing WHICH Ironhide this is. We can offer explanations, by saying he might be one of the clones, but we shouldn't presume he is. To say this is defenitely the clone is going too far in my opinion. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 15:22, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:::::I'm not huge fan of all this assumption stuff. Transformers also sometimes come back to life after being dead. Or end up being parallel versions of themselves from a different timeline/universe. Ironhide's appearance could be explained by any number of sci-fi tropes, really. I think we should just note on the original Ironhide page that AN Ironhide showed up at this time and place, but we have no way of knowing WHICH Ironhide this is. We can offer explanations, by saying he might be one of the clones, but we shouldn't presume he is. To say this is defenitely the clone is going too far in my opinion. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 15:22, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			::::::Obviously, we can't put Power Master Ironhide's appearance ''anywhere'' without a note detailing we don't know precisely who this Ironhide is. But no matter which page we put it on, it comes with an assumption. Either we're assuming the original Ironhide came back to life through circumstances unexplained, that the clone was reformatted through circumstances unexplained, or that a third Ironhide was introduced through circumstances unexplained. So which is the least presumptuous place to put it: the page for the dead guy, the living guy, or a guy we only assume might exist? I say number two, because he's the only Ironhide we KNOW was alive in ''Wings'' last we checked. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 18:17, 21 December 2014 (EST)

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	:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			:::::I'm not huge fan of all this assumption stuff. Transformers also sometimes come back to life after being dead. Or end up being parallel versions of themselves from a different timeline/universe. Ironhide's appearance could be explained by any number of sci-fi tropes, really. I think we should just note on the original Ironhide page that AN Ironhide showed up at this time and place, but we have no way of knowing WHICH Ironhide this is. We can offer explanations, by saying he might be one of the clones, but we shouldn't presume he is. To say this is defenitely the clone is going too far in my opinion. --[[User:Ascendron\|Ascendron]] ([[User talk:Ascendron\|talk]]) 15:22, 21 December 2014 (EST)

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	::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			::::I am too. But, to double back a bit, shouldn't the same reasoning require the merging of Soundwave's clones from ''[[A Flash Forward]]'' and ''[[Termination]]''? Soundwave and Frenzy remained with Jhiaxus when Nightracer left with the Battlechargers, right? If assuming the Ironhide clone upgraded himself over time is the "less egregious" assumption, we should also assume the Soundwave clone did the same. --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 14:11, 21 December 2014 (EST)

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	:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)		::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			:::I'm with Jalaguy on this one. - [[User:SanityOrMadness\|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness\|talk]]) 12:31, 21 December 2014 (EST)

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	In the Wings universe, [[Ironhide (G1)]] still died in TFTM. We know there's at least one [[Ironhide (G2)]] clone in the Wings universe, so the Power Master could be an upgraded version of that guy. Or, since Jhiaxus had multiple clones of characters like [[Soundwave (G2)]] and [[Soundwave (MW)]], he could've been ANOTHER Ironhide clone released from Jhiaxus's clone depot at the end of ''[[A Common Foe]]''. So should there be separate pages for Ironhide (G2 Gobot) and Ironhide (G2 Power Master), or should this guy be added to the Ironhide (G2) page? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)		In the Wings universe, [[Ironhide (G1)]] still died in TFTM. We know there's at least one [[Ironhide (G2)]] clone in the Wings universe, so the Power Master could be an upgraded version of that guy. Or, since Jhiaxus had multiple clones of characters like [[Soundwave (G2)]] and [[Soundwave (MW)]], he could've been ANOTHER Ironhide clone released from Jhiaxus's clone depot at the end of ''[[A Common Foe]]''. So should there be separate pages for Ironhide (G2 Gobot) and Ironhide (G2 Power Master), or should this guy be added to the Ironhide (G2) page? --[[User:Xaaron\|Xaaron]] ([[User talk:Xaaron\|talk]]) 11:44, 21 December 2014 (EST)
	:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)		:I was thinking that it was the former. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 12:07, 21 December 2014 (EST)
			::Either way, we're going to be making an assumption, and IMO, assuming that the existing Ironhide clone got a makeover is the less egregious of the two? [[User:Jalaguy\|Jalaguy]] ([[User talk:Jalaguy\|talk]]) 12:12, 21 December 2014 (EST)