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	We're kind of being up our own assess about the whole meta-commentary thing. While I do think it's kind of funny that there is a Godzilla from the comics and a Hojoni in the cartoon, the fact that they're two separate continuities means that they're most likely unrelated. I think a single trivia note saying that Hojoni isn't the only big green snorting fire-lizard is plenty.--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 09:41, 27 February 2010 (EST)		We're kind of being up our own assess about the whole meta-commentary thing. While I do think it's kind of funny that there is a Godzilla from the comics and a Hojoni in the cartoon, the fact that they're two separate continuities means that they're most likely unrelated. I think a single trivia note saying that Hojoni isn't the only big green snorting fire-lizard is plenty. If some anon were to come along today and write something like this on any new article, we'd immediately and rightly quash it as a bunch of silly fan-speculation. We shouldn't lower our standards for this just because it's grandfathered in. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 09:41, 27 February 2010 (EST)

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	:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)		:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

	Subtext to Nury grousing to Dugan- I think he was poing fun of Dum-Dum, as Dum-Dum became rather attached and protective of Godzilla by the end of his 1976 series. Dugan was the offider in charge of apprehending or killing Godzilla. Fury never MET Godzilla. Thus Fury bring him up with Dum-dum there means he's busting his chiops a little. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)		Subtext to Nury grousing to Dugan- I think he was poing fun of Dum-Dum, as Dum-Dum became rather attached and protective of Godzilla by the end of his 1976 series. Dugan was the offider in charge of apprehending or killing Godzilla. Fury never MET Godzilla. Thus Fury bring him up with Dum-dum there means he's busting his chiops a little. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC

			==Meta-Commentary==
			We're kind of being up our own assess about the whole meta-commentary thing. While I do think it's kind of funny that there is a Godzilla from the comics and a Hojoni in the cartoon, the fact that they're two separate continuities means that they're most likely unrelated. I think a single trivia note saying that Hojoni isn't the only big green snorting fire-lizard is plenty.--[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 09:41, 27 February 2010 (EST)

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	:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)		:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

	Subtext to Nury grousing to Dugan- I think he was poing fun of Dum-Dum, as Dum-Dum became rather attached and protective of Godzilla by the end of his 1976 series. Dugan was the offider in charge of apprehending or killing Godzilla. Fury never MET Godzilla. Thus Fury bring him up with Dum-dum there means he's busting his chiops a little. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		Subtext to Nury grousing to Dugan- I think he was poing fun of Dum-Dum, as Dum-Dum became rather attached and protective of Godzilla by the end of his 1976 series. Dugan was the offider in charge of apprehending or killing Godzilla. Fury never MET Godzilla. Thus Fury bring him up with Dum-dum there means he's busting his chiops a little. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)

Derik at 21:47, 5 August 2006

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	::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)		::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

	:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

			Subtext to Nury grousing to Dugan- I think he was poing fun of Dum-Dum, as Dum-Dum became rather attached and protective of Godzilla by the end of his 1976 series. Dugan was the offider in charge of apprehending or killing Godzilla. Fury never MET Godzilla. Thus Fury bring him up with Dum-dum there means he's busting his chiops a little. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Chris McFeely at 20:40, 31 July 2006

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	::::: (The Marvel TFU has mutants, for isntance, but does nto appear to have an X-Men.) -[[User:69.88.91.218\|69.88.91.218]] 17:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)		::::: (The Marvel TFU has mutants, for isntance, but does nto appear to have an X-Men.) -[[User:69.88.91.218\|69.88.91.218]] 17:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

	::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

			:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

M Sipher at 20:02, 31 July 2006

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	:::::It's a running gag on this wiki to (for the most part) pretend ignorance about MU characters in TF comics beyond their appearance in the TF comics themselves.		:::::It's a running gag on this wiki to (for the most part) pretend ignorance about MU characters in TF comics beyond their appearance in the TF comics themselves.
	:::::This is not entirely withotu merit- the TF comcis are nto set in Earth 616. They're set in some other Earth that has some characters from 616, and some universe elements, but it not 616.		:::::This is not entirely withotu merit- the TF comcis are nto set in Earth 616. They're set in some other Earth that has some characters from 616, and some universe elements, but it not 616.
	::::: (The Marvel TFU has mutants, for isntance, but does nto appear to have an X-Men.) -[[User:69.88.91.218\|69.88.91.218]] 17:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::::: (The Marvel TFU has mutants, for isntance, but does nto appear to have an X-Men.) -[[User:69.88.91.218\|69.88.91.218]] 17:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

			::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

69.88.91.218 at 17:29, 31 July 2006

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	:::"Category: Transformers" --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)		:::"Category: Transformers" --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

	:::I think it's clear that "Nicholas" was meant to be Nick Fury, and that the lizard he was referring to was meant to at least be a refrence to Godzilla, if not literally. Connecting the comment by Nicholas to Hojoni would be pure speculation. [[User:Crockalley\|Crockalley]] 15:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::I think it's clear that "Nicholas" was meant to be Nick Fury, and that the lizard he was referring to was meant to at least be a refrence to Godzilla, if not literally. Connecting the comment by Nicholas to Hojoni would be pure speculation. [[User:Crockalley\|Crockalley]] 15:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

			:::::It's a running gag on this wiki to (for the most part) pretend ignorance about MU characters in TF comics beyond their appearance in the TF comics themselves.
			:::::This is not entirely withotu merit- the TF comcis are nto set in Earth 616. They're set in some other Earth that has some characters from 616, and some universe elements, but it not 616.
			::::: (The Marvel TFU has mutants, for isntance, but does nto appear to have an X-Men.) -[[User:69.88.91.218\|69.88.91.218]] 17:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	::Neither do I. Where's the category for naked people? :) --[[User:Ratbat\|Ratbat]] 04:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)		::Neither do I. Where's the category for naked people? :) --[[User:Ratbat\|Ratbat]] 04:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
	:::"Category: Transformers" --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::"Category: Transformers" --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

			:::I think it's clear that "Nicholas" was meant to be Nick Fury, and that the lizard he was referring to was meant to at least be a refrence to Godzilla, if not literally. Connecting the comment by Nicholas to Hojoni would be pure speculation. [[User:Crockalley\|Crockalley]] 15:01, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

ItsWalky at 05:07, 7 July 2006

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I vote that all links for Godzilla on this wiki actually go to Hojoni. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 06:13, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

Seconded. Further, I suggest merging the Big Green Fire-Snortin' Lizard article into this one, while of course maintaining the notes that it's only supposition that Hojoni is the lizard being referred to by Nicolas. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 16:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

:Nick maystill eb referign to Godzilla, and Hojoni is a fictional movie based on Godzilla's real-world rampages. (But I don't remember that naked woman in the Godzilla series...) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 21:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

::Right, but, the point -- partially in jest, and partially from a strict reading of the stories -- is that there is no evidence for a Godzilla within the universe of the Marvel Transformers series, just as there is no evidence that Nicholas is the head of this organization called SHIELD or that Spider-Man got his powers from a spider bite. Supposing the subject of Nicholas' comment to be Godzilla requires applying metatextual elements from ''outside'' the Transformers multiverse. Supposing it to be Hojoni is a much more common metatextual statement ''within'' the TF multiverse. Now, yes, because we read other comic books we know that Nicholas' last name is Fury and blah blah blah. But we could surmise the existence of all sorts of Marvel Earth-616 entities in the comics universe at the slightest hint that they might exist --like, hey, the Neo Nights are kind of like mutants, I guess the X-Men exist in that universe. I can say without a hint of joking around that I think that is a bad trend to start. It is both "safer" and IMO way funnier to treat Hojoni as the only known giant green fire-breating lizard in Transformers. --[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 05:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

::Neither do I. Where's the category for naked people? :) --[[User:Ratbat|Ratbat]] 04:24, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:::"Category: Transformers" --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:07, 7 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

Steve-o at 05:02, 30 May 2006

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	Seconded. Further, I suggest merging the Big Green Fire-Snortin' Lizard article into this one, while of course maintaining the notes that it's only supposition that Hojoni is the lizard being referred to by Nicolas. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 16:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)		Seconded. Further, I suggest merging the Big Green Fire-Snortin' Lizard article into this one, while of course maintaining the notes that it's only supposition that Hojoni is the lizard being referred to by Nicolas. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 16:31, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

	:Nick maystill eb referign to Godzilla, and Hojoni is a fictional movie based on Godzilla's real-world rampages. (But I don't remember that naked woman in the Godzilla series...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Nick maystill eb referign to Godzilla, and Hojoni is a fictional movie based on Godzilla's real-world rampages. (But I don't remember that naked woman in the Godzilla series...) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:43, 29 May 2006 (UTC)

			::Right, but, the point -- partially in jest, and partially from a strict reading of the stories -- is that there is no evidence for a Godzilla within the universe of the Marvel Transformers series, just as there is no evidence that Nicholas is the head of this organization called SHIELD or that Spider-Man got his powers from a spider bite. Supposing the subject of Nicholas' comment to be Godzilla requires applying metatextual elements from ''outside'' the Transformers multiverse. Supposing it to be Hojoni is a much more common metatextual statement ''within'' the TF multiverse. Now, yes, because we read other comic books we know that Nicholas' last name is Fury and blah blah blah. But we could surmise the existence of all sorts of Marvel Earth-616 entities in the comics universe at the slightest hint that they might exist --like, hey, the Neo Nights are kind of like mutants, I guess the X-Men exist in that universe. I can say without a hint of joking around that I think that is a bad trend to start. It is both "safer" and IMO way funnier to treat Hojoni as the only known giant green fire-breating lizard in Transformers. --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 05:02, 30 May 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)		::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

	:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

			Subtext to Nury grousing to Dugan- I think he was poing fun of Dum-Dum, as Dum-Dum became rather attached and protective of Godzilla by the end of his 1976 series. Dugan was the offider in charge of apprehending or killing Godzilla. Fury never MET Godzilla. Thus Fury bring him up with Dum-dum there means he's busting his chiops a little. -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 21:47, 5 August 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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	::::: (The Marvel TFU has mutants, for isntance, but does nto appear to have an X-Men.) -[[User:69.88.91.218\|69.88.91.218]] 17:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)		::::: (The Marvel TFU has mutants, for isntance, but does nto appear to have an X-Men.) -[[User:69.88.91.218\|69.88.91.218]] 17:29, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

	::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		::::::This reminds me. Didn't they give the Marvel TF comics universe a number in one of the recent guidebooks? Maybe we should have an artcile on that or something. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] 20:02, 31 July 2006 (UTC)

			:::::::Yes, but it was specifically for the UK comics universe, as it was part of Death's Head's entry. It was Earth-120185, for the 12th of January 1985, the publication date of "Man of Iron," Part 1, that being the first UK-exclusive story. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] 20:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>