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Khajidha: /* Is this a Homage? */

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Is this a Homage?

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	Is the new JP93 a Homage to G1 Skids or UT Red Alert? [[User:GenericName\|GenericName]] ([[User talk:GenericName\|talk]]) 18:42, 18 July 2021 (EDT)		Is the new JP93 a Homage to G1 Skids or UT Red Alert? [[User:GenericName\|GenericName]] ([[User talk:GenericName\|talk]]) 18:42, 18 July 2021 (EDT)
			:Ummmm..... neither. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 19:06, 18 July 2021 (EDT)

GenericName: /* Is this a Homage? */ new section

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Is this a Homage?: new section

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	"In some countries, such as Japan and Taiwan, the term "homage" refers to "references" within fiction." So a French-derived English term is used in Japanese and Chinese? Or do they use a term in their own languages that is often (mis)translated to "homage"? Or what?--[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 07:29, 17 August 2017 (EDT)		"In some countries, such as Japan and Taiwan, the term "homage" refers to "references" within fiction." So a French-derived English term is used in Japanese and Chinese? Or do they use a term in their own languages that is often (mis)translated to "homage"? Or what?--[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 07:29, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

			== Is this a Homage? ==

			Is the new JP93 a Homage to G1 Skids or UT Red Alert? [[User:GenericName\|GenericName]] ([[User talk:GenericName\|talk]]) 18:42, 18 July 2021 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* About that note... */ new section

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About that note...: new section

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	<br>- [[User:Queso\|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:56 PM, 11 April 2011 A.D.		<br>- [[User:Queso\|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:56 PM, 11 April 2011 A.D.
	:Well, we had a fiction section some time ago, but it was never fleshed out very well. If you want to take a stab at it in a sandbox (like <nowiki>[[User:Queso/sandbox]]</nowiki>), I don't think anyone would mind. But real work would need to be done before putting it on the homage page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 23:51, 11 April 2011 (EDT)		:Well, we had a fiction section some time ago, but it was never fleshed out very well. If you want to take a stab at it in a sandbox (like <nowiki>[[User:Queso/sandbox]]</nowiki>), I don't think anyone would mind. But real work would need to be done before putting it on the homage page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 23:51, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

			== About that note... ==

			"In some countries, such as Japan and Taiwan, the term "homage" refers to "references" within fiction." So a French-derived English term is used in Japanese and Chinese? Or do they use a term in their own languages that is often (mis)translated to "homage"? Or what?--[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 07:29, 17 August 2017 (EDT)

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	:::Before any rework of the section, I want to ask if "Homage" has been used in English-spoken region to represent any in-fiction reference {{m-}} since we usually called it a "reference".		:::Before any rework of the section, I want to ask if "Homage" has been used in English-spoken region to represent any in-fiction reference {{m-}} since we usually called it a "reference".
	:::As far as I known, take 2007 film ''[[Transformers (~~2007~~)#~~Transformer_References~~\|Transformers]]'' for example, we say "Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is a reference to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film. While in Japan or Taiwan (and maybe some other country or region), it will be "''Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is an '''homage''' to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film.''". In short, the term "homage" could sometimes mean "reference" in some non-English-spoken countries, such as Japan.		:::As far as I known, take 2007 film ''[[Transformers (film)#Transformer References\|Transformers]]'' for example, we say "Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is a reference to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film. While in Japan or Taiwan (and maybe some other country or region), it will be "''Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is an '''homage''' to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film.''". In short, the term "homage" could sometimes mean "reference" in some non-English-spoken countries, such as Japan.
	:::Um, I'm not sure if I've explain well. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:02, 12 November 2010 (EST)		:::Um, I'm not sure if I've explain well. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:02, 12 November 2010 (EST)
	::::Yeah, that's part of my problem with the section. "Homage" just isn't usually used when discussing fiction, it's a visual term. That being said, comic book covers and panels that visually reference previous covers and panels ARE called homages. A discussion of such visuals would not be out of line, but should probably be worked up in somebody's sandbox before putting it here. I've removed the horrible skeleton of stub templates that was the fiction section of this article. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 12:24, 12 November 2010 (EST)		::::Yeah, that's part of my problem with the section. "Homage" just isn't usually used when discussing fiction, it's a visual term. That being said, comic book covers and panels that visually reference previous covers and panels ARE called homages. A discussion of such visuals would not be out of line, but should probably be worked up in somebody's sandbox before putting it here. I've removed the horrible skeleton of stub templates that was the fiction section of this article. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 12:24, 12 November 2010 (EST)

Khajidha: /* Not just toys? */ removing link to nonexistent page

2011-07-30T15:49:32Z

Not just toys?: removing link to nonexistent page

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	Can't a random background character in a cartoon who looks like such-and-so be a homage as well? And doesn't this wiki actually use the word "homage" in that sense DOZENS of times at the very least?		Can't a random background character in a cartoon who looks like such-and-so be a homage as well? And doesn't this wiki actually use the word "homage" in that sense DOZENS of times at the very least?
	<br>- [[User:Queso\|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:56 PM, 11 April 2011 A.D.		<br>- [[User:Queso\|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:56 PM, 11 April 2011 A.D.
	:Well, we had a fiction section some time ago, but it was never fleshed out very well. If you want to take a stab at it in a sandbox (like [[User:Queso/sandbox]]), I don't think anyone would mind. But real work would need to be done before putting it on the homage page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 23:51, 11 April 2011 (EDT)		:Well, we had a fiction section some time ago, but it was never fleshed out very well. If you want to take a stab at it in a sandbox (like <nowiki>[[User:Queso/sandbox]]</nowiki>), I don't think anyone would mind. But real work would need to be done before putting it on the homage page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 23:51, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* Not just toys? */

2011-04-12T03:51:52Z

Not just toys?

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	Can't a random background character in a cartoon who looks like such-and-so be a homage as well? And doesn't this wiki actually use the word "homage" in that sense DOZENS of times at the very least?		Can't a random background character in a cartoon who looks like such-and-so be a homage as well? And doesn't this wiki actually use the word "homage" in that sense DOZENS of times at the very least?
	<br>- [[User:Queso\|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:56 PM, 11 April 2011 A.D.		<br>- [[User:Queso\|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:56 PM, 11 April 2011 A.D.
			:Well, we had a fiction section some time ago, but it was never fleshed out very well. If you want to take a stab at it in a sandbox (like [[User:Queso/sandbox]]), I don't think anyone would mind. But real work would need to be done before putting it on the homage page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 23:51, 11 April 2011 (EDT)

Queso: /* Not just toys? */ new section

2011-04-12T02:56:09Z

Not just toys?: new section

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	:I agree. --[[User:-Blackout-\|-Blackout-]] 15:11, 5 November 2010 (EDT)		:I agree. --[[User:-Blackout-\|-Blackout-]] 15:11, 5 November 2010 (EDT)
	::I have pruned the gallery a lot. It could possibly be further trimmed, but this is at least a start. Comments, both positive and negative, would be appreciated. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:27, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		::I have pruned the gallery a lot. It could possibly be further trimmed, but this is at least a start. Comments, both positive and negative, would be appreciated. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:27, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

			== Not just toys? ==

			Can't a random background character in a cartoon who looks like such-and-so be a homage as well? And doesn't this wiki actually use the word "homage" in that sense DOZENS of times at the very least?
			<br>- [[User:Queso\|¡Usa El Queso!]] 10:56 PM, 11 April 2011 A.D.

Khajidha: /* In Fiction */

2010-11-12T17:24:16Z

In Fiction

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	:::As far as I known, take 2007 film ''[[Transformers (2007)#Transformer_References\|Transformers]]'' for example, we say "Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is a reference to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film. While in Japan or Taiwan (and maybe some other country or region), it will be "''Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is an '''homage''' to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film.''". In short, the term "homage" could sometimes mean "reference" in some non-English-spoken countries, such as Japan.		:::As far as I known, take 2007 film ''[[Transformers (2007)#Transformer_References\|Transformers]]'' for example, we say "Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is a reference to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film. While in Japan or Taiwan (and maybe some other country or region), it will be "''Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is an '''homage''' to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film.''". In short, the term "homage" could sometimes mean "reference" in some non-English-spoken countries, such as Japan.
	:::Um, I'm not sure if I've explain well. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:02, 12 November 2010 (EST)		:::Um, I'm not sure if I've explain well. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:02, 12 November 2010 (EST)
			::::Yeah, that's part of my problem with the section. "Homage" just isn't usually used when discussing fiction, it's a visual term. That being said, comic book covers and panels that visually reference previous covers and panels ARE called homages. A discussion of such visuals would not be out of line, but should probably be worked up in somebody's sandbox before putting it here. I've removed the horrible skeleton of stub templates that was the fiction section of this article. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 12:24, 12 November 2010 (EST)

	== Gallery ==		== Gallery ==

TX55: /* In Fiction */

2010-11-12T17:02:15Z

In Fiction

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	::::The whole fiction thing feels like it was just haphazardly stuck on. I'm probably going to remove it unless/until someone can provide a more integrated write up. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:09, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		::::The whole fiction thing feels like it was just haphazardly stuck on. I'm probably going to remove it unless/until someone can provide a more integrated write up. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:09, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

			:::Before any rework of the section, I want to ask if "Homage" has been used in English-spoken region to represent any in-fiction reference {{m-}} since we usually called it a "reference".
			:::As far as I known, take 2007 film ''[[Transformers (2007)#Transformer_References\|Transformers]]'' for example, we say "Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is a reference to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film. While in Japan or Taiwan (and maybe some other country or region), it will be "''Prime's line ''...one shall stand; one shall fall''" is an '''homage''' to ''G1'' Optimus Prime's line in the 1986 film.''". In short, the term "homage" could sometimes mean "reference" in some non-English-spoken countries, such as Japan.
			:::Um, I'm not sure if I've explain well. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 12:02, 12 November 2010 (EST)

	== Gallery ==		== Gallery ==

TX55: /* In Fiction */

2010-11-06T15:35:00Z

In Fiction

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	I say we trash this whole line of thinking before it RUINS FOREVER this wiki. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:01, 27 October 2009 (EDT)		I say we trash this whole line of thinking before it RUINS FOREVER this wiki. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:01, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

			::"''Target: 2006'' a homage to the movie", no. "IDW Meg as a gladiator is a homage" is really controversial and a bad example.

	:We could lose the list element and just include a writeup on how homages are sometimes used in fiction. Maybe add a few notable examples to illustrate the point, but leave it at that. --[[User:Bluestreak7\|Bluestreak7]] 14:26, 27 October 2009 (EDT)		:We could lose the list element and just include a writeup on how homages are sometimes used in fiction. Maybe add a few notable examples to illustrate the point, but leave it at that. --[[User:Bluestreak7\|Bluestreak7]] 14:26, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

			:::Agreed with writing up how homages are sometimes used in fiction, it sounds nice to me. We just need notable examples, only (since many have been included in the "[[:Category:episodes\|''Transformers'' references]]" section), or the page will be filled with bunch of things. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:35, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

	::A year later, and it is still a mess. Restarting this conversation in hopes of improving the page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:59, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		::A year later, and it is still a mess. Restarting this conversation in hopes of improving the page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:59, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

	:::The examples given aren't really homages since they are essentially the same character. In my opinion, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge can't homage themselves. An homage in G1 fiction might be appearances of Cy-Kill and Hot Shot. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 10:01, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		:::The examples given aren't really homages since they are essentially the same character. In my opinion, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge can't homage themselves. An homage in G1 fiction might be appearances of Cy-Kill and Hot Shot. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 10:01, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

	::::The whole fiction thing feels like it was just haphazardly stuck on. I'm probably going to remove it unless/until someone can provide a more integrated write up. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:09, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		::::The whole fiction thing feels like it was just haphazardly stuck on. I'm probably going to remove it unless/until someone can provide a more integrated write up. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:09, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

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	I say we trash this whole line of thinking before it RUINS FOREVER this wiki. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:01, 27 October 2009 (EDT)		I say we trash this whole line of thinking before it RUINS FOREVER this wiki. --[[User:Jimsorenson\|Jimsorenson]] 14:01, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

			::"''Target: 2006'' a homage to the movie", no. "IDW Meg as a gladiator is a homage" is really controversial and a bad example.

	:We could lose the list element and just include a writeup on how homages are sometimes used in fiction. Maybe add a few notable examples to illustrate the point, but leave it at that. --[[User:Bluestreak7\|Bluestreak7]] 14:26, 27 October 2009 (EDT)		:We could lose the list element and just include a writeup on how homages are sometimes used in fiction. Maybe add a few notable examples to illustrate the point, but leave it at that. --[[User:Bluestreak7\|Bluestreak7]] 14:26, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

			:::Agreed with writing up how homages are sometimes used in fiction, it sounds nice to me. We just need notable examples, only (since many have been included in the "[[:Category:episodes\|''Transformers'' references]]" section), or the page will be filled with bunch of things. --'''[[User:TX55\|<span style= "color:#00FA9A">TX55</span>]]'''<small><SUP>''[[User talk:TX55\|<span style= "color:#0000CD">TALK</span>]]''</SUP></small> 11:35, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

	::A year later, and it is still a mess. Restarting this conversation in hopes of improving the page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:59, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		::A year later, and it is still a mess. Restarting this conversation in hopes of improving the page. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 08:59, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

	:::The examples given aren't really homages since they are essentially the same character. In my opinion, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge can't homage themselves. An homage in G1 fiction might be appearances of Cy-Kill and Hot Shot. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 10:01, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		:::The examples given aren't really homages since they are essentially the same character. In my opinion, Galvatron, Cyclonus, and Scourge can't homage themselves. An homage in G1 fiction might be appearances of Cy-Kill and Hot Shot. - [[User:Starfield\|Starfield]] 10:01, 6 November 2010 (EDT)

	::::The whole fiction thing feels like it was just haphazardly stuck on. I'm probably going to remove it unless/until someone can provide a more integrated write up. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:09, 6 November 2010 (EDT)		::::The whole fiction thing feels like it was just haphazardly stuck on. I'm probably going to remove it unless/until someone can provide a more integrated write up. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:09, 6 November 2010 (EDT)