Talk:Icepick (PCC) - Revision history

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	Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)		Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[~~GoBots (franchise)\|~~GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice (ROTF)\|Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)		:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice (ROTF)\|Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

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	Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)		Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[GoBots (franchise)\|GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)		:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[GoBots (franchise)\|GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice (ROTF)\|Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

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2011-07-20T11:58:19Z

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	Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)		Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
	:I think a mention in the notes or toy's description would suffice. Movie Stockade's S7 symbol certainly didn't align him with Sector 7 [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 03:03, 20 July 2011 (EDT)		:I think a mention in the notes or toy's description would suffice. Movie Stockade's S7 symbol certainly didn't align him with Sector 7 [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 03:03, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
			::In terms of "mention in a note so we're not making things up", I think it's worth mentioning the Autobot symbols on Icepick in conjunction with Sergeant Chaos being described as a "renegade". -[[User:LV\|LV]] 07:58, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

Zandergb: /* Flash freeze */

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	Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)		Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
			:I think a mention in the notes or toy's description would suffice. Movie Stockade's S7 symbol certainly didn't align him with Sector 7 [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 03:03, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

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	:They're the same [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 02:23, 10 July 2011 (EDT)		:They're the same [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 02:23, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

			== Flash freeze ==

			Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

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	Just out of curiosity does anyone have the Spec numbers of PCC Icepick and HA Icepick? I'm just curious how they match up being they're likely the same guy.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 11:58, 19 May 2011 (EDT)		Just out of curiosity does anyone have the Spec numbers of PCC Icepick and HA Icepick? I'm just curious how they match up being they're likely the same guy.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 11:58, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

			:They're the same [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 02:23, 10 July 2011 (EDT)

Khajidha: /* Merge With PCC? */

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Merge With PCC?

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	:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are Undertow (TF 2010)/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are Undertow (TF 2010)/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/Leadfoot (Speed Stars)/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

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	:::::::::::::Unless the unreleased Undertow has a bio that flatly contradicts that of the PCC Undertow, I don't see the point of separating them. Same name + same continuity family = same guy until established otherwise. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:10, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::::::Unless the unreleased Undertow has a bio that flatly contradicts that of the PCC Undertow, I don't see the point of separating them. Same name + same continuity family = same guy until established otherwise. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 17:10, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::::As far as Leadfoot goes, isn't his Speed Stars toy being rereleased in DOTM with the name "Classic Leadfoot"? I'm really not sure what to make of this "Classic" part, does it mean he's meant to be the classic G2 character in spite of being in the DOTM line, or is it just to distinguish him from the Wrecker Leadfoot? --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 16:29, 6 May 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::::As far as Leadfoot goes, isn't his Speed Stars toy being rereleased in DOTM with the name "Classic Leadfoot"? I'm really not sure what to make of this "Classic" part, does it mean he's meant to be the classic G2 character in spite of being in the DOTM line, or is it just to distinguish him from the Wrecker Leadfoot? --[[User:Detour\|Detour]] 16:29, 6 May 2011 (EDT)

			== Tech Spec comparison? ==


			Just out of curiosity does anyone have the Spec numbers of PCC Icepick and HA Icepick? I'm just curious how they match up being they're likely the same guy.--[[Special:Contributions/76.28.76.206\|76.28.76.206]] 11:58, 19 May 2011 (EDT)

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	:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are [[Undertow (TF 2010)]]/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are Undertow (TF 2010)/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

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	:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and [[Crankcase (PCC)]] should also be merged. The real brainteasers are [[Undertow (TF 2010)]]/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are [[Undertow (TF 2010)]]/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

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	Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)		Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[~~GoBots (franchise)\|~~GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice (ROTF)\|Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)		:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice (ROTF)\|Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

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	Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)		Why does a Decepticon come with a Human?--[[User:TOM\|TOM]] 14:46, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[GoBots (franchise)\|GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)		:This would hardly be the first time humans have allied themselves with the Decepticons. [[Shawn Berger]], [[Doctor Arkeville]], the [[Geddis brothers]], and [[Abdul Fakkadi (G1)\|Abdul Fakkadi]] spring to mind. And [[Thadius Braxis]] from [[GoBots (franchise)\|GoBots]] was allied with the [[Renegade]]s. Another thought, maybe this guy is actually a [[Pretender]] like [[Alice (ROTF)\|Alice]]. Either way, just be patient and all will be revealed. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 16:32, 19 February 2011 (EST)
	::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		::He has a point. Why would a Human ally themselves with creatures who want to step on them?--[[User:Primo\|Primo]] 10:32, 22 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)		:::Why doesn't matter. The fact is that humans HAVE so allied themselves in the past and probably will again in the future. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 10:53, 22 April 2011 (EDT)

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	Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)		Just picked this up this afternoon. Haven't opened it, but I can see through the bubble that Icepick has Autobot Alliance symbols on him. The same symbols that are on the Sideswipe in the same set. The blurb on the package does present it as a battle between him and Sideswipe. Any clue what this means or how to handle it? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 02:00, 17 July 2011 (EDT)
	:I think a mention in the notes or toy's description would suffice. Movie Stockade's S7 symbol certainly didn't align him with Sector 7 [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 03:03, 20 July 2011 (EDT)		:I think a mention in the notes or toy's description would suffice. Movie Stockade's S7 symbol certainly didn't align him with Sector 7 [[User:Zandergb\|Zandergb]] 03:03, 20 July 2011 (EDT)
			::In terms of "mention in a note so we're not making things up", I think it's worth mentioning the Autobot symbols on Icepick in conjunction with Sergeant Chaos being described as a "renegade". -[[User:LV\|LV]] 07:58, 20 July 2011 (EDT)

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	:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are Undertow (TF 2010)/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are Undertow (TF 2010)/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/Leadfoot (Speed Stars)/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)

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	:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::PCC Icepick believed himself better than other Transformers because he was a combiner. And the whole point of PCC toys were that you could mix and match. Of course PCC Icepick had guys he combined with, we just don't know who specifically they were. Otherwise, his PCC bio doesn't make much sense. (Plus I find it much easier to believe that Hasbro would casually kill off some PCC drones than the entire G1 Monstructor team in a simple toy bio.) --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 11:20, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::Well, they wouldn't be the G1 Monstructor team, they'd be movieverse versions thereof. But eh. My eyes have been opened to the true villain in all of this: Crankcase (PCC), who destroys any semblance of consistency! Nitpickman, away! --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:26, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are [[Undertow (TF 2010)]]/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::I think this moves Crankcase to the tipping point where [[Crankcase (Movie)]] and Crankcase (PCC) should also be merged. The real brainteasers are Undertow (TF 2010)/[[Undertow (PCC)]] and [[Leadfoot (PCC)]]/[[Leadfoot (Speed Stars)]]/[[Leadfoot (DOTM)]]. My gut is saying merge the Undertows and the first two Leadfoots, but leave the DOTM guy separate. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:29, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		::::::::::Leadfoot (DOTM) is definitely separate--see precedent set by Jetfire, Mudflap, and Jolt. Speed Stars is iffy, being a multi-continuity brand. Undertow I think should stay separate, based on the Reverb precedent. --[[User:Andrusi\|Andrusi]] 11:41, 25 April 2011 (EDT)
	:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)		:::::::::::I'd like to reexamine the Reverb precedent. [[Reverb (Movie)]] and [[Reverb (ROTF)]] are in the same continuity family, have the same name and have similar personalities. For me, that adds up to "same guy" and the differences in altmodes and color schemes are trivial. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] 11:50, 25 April 2011 (EDT)