Talk:Ironworks (Micromaster) - Revision history

S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 at 06:52, 3 July 2020

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	:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (~~base~~)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)		Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (facility)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)
	:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)		:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)
	::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)		::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)
	:::I disagree on the assertion that he looks "nothing" like the original. The share the same color scheme, at least in relation to his character art. The Modulator has a similar design on its chest, being split down the middle with one half red. The head seems similar, though definitely not identical. It's not perfect, since the bottom half of the left pectoral isn't red like the original, but it seems like the intention was to merge the Micromaster and the base into a single toy. By the logic of "They don't look close enough," we could argue that every Generation 2 toy that used the same name as a Generation 1 character must be separate. --[[User:King Starscream\|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream\|talk]]) 14:41, 22 March 2020 (EDT)		:::I disagree on the assertion that he looks "nothing" like the original. The share the same color scheme, at least in relation to his character art. The Modulator has a similar design on its chest, being split down the middle with one half red. The head seems similar, though definitely not identical. It's not perfect, since the bottom half of the left pectoral isn't red like the original, but it seems like the intention was to merge the Micromaster and the base into a single toy. By the logic of "They don't look close enough," we could argue that every Generation 2 toy that used the same name as a Generation 1 character must be separate. --[[User:King Starscream\|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream\|talk]]) 14:41, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

King Starscream at 18:41, 22 March 2020

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	:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)		:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)
	::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)		::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)
			:::I disagree on the assertion that he looks "nothing" like the original. The share the same color scheme, at least in relation to his character art. The Modulator has a similar design on its chest, being split down the middle with one half red. The head seems similar, though definitely not identical. It's not perfect, since the bottom half of the left pectoral isn't red like the original, but it seems like the intention was to merge the Micromaster and the base into a single toy. By the logic of "They don't look close enough," we could argue that every Generation 2 toy that used the same name as a Generation 1 character must be separate. --[[User:King Starscream\|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream\|talk]]) 14:41, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

Broadside at 02:02, 19 December 2019

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	Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)		Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)
	:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)		:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)
			::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)

Khajidha at 15:51, 18 December 2019

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	::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)		Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)
			:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)

Khajidha at 13:28, 6 October 2019

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	:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
			Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)

M Sipher at 22:14, 3 October 2019

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	Given the upcoming Earthrise Ironworks toy, and the fact that Irontread was both renamed and has a non-Ironworks head and chest (specifically based off of yet another character), I question the assumption that Irontread is the same character as G1 Ironworks.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock\|talk]]) 13:05, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		Given the upcoming Earthrise Ironworks toy, and the fact that Irontread was both renamed and has a non-Ironworks head and chest (specifically based off of yet another character), I question the assumption that Irontread is the same character as G1 Ironworks.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock\|talk]]) 13:05, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
			::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Broadside: Riptide moved page Talk:Ironworks to Talk:Ironworks (Micromaster): Moving Construction station to Ironworks (base) because of new toy

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Riptide moved page Talk:Ironworks to Talk:Ironworks (Micromaster): Moving Construction station to Ironworks (base) because of new toy

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Khajidha at 17:38, 3 October 2019

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	Given the upcoming Earthrise Ironworks toy, and the fact that Irontread was both renamed and has a non-Ironworks head and chest (specifically based off of yet another character), I question the assumption that Irontread is the same character as G1 Ironworks.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock\|talk]]) 13:05, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		Given the upcoming Earthrise Ironworks toy, and the fact that Irontread was both renamed and has a non-Ironworks head and chest (specifically based off of yet another character), I question the assumption that Irontread is the same character as G1 Ironworks.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock\|talk]]) 13:05, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
			:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

G.B. Blackrock: Should Irontread be on the G1 Ironworks page?

2019-10-03T17:05:56Z

Should Irontread be on the G1 Ironworks page?

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	This page says that Ironworks was not shown in "Invasion", but the page for that issue lists him amongst the characters. Which is correct? --[[User:Flicky1991\|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991\|1991]] 04:41, 25 July 2013 (EDT)		This page says that Ironworks was not shown in "Invasion", but the page for that issue lists him amongst the characters. Which is correct? --[[User:Flicky1991\|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991\|1991]] 04:41, 25 July 2013 (EDT)
	:The page for Invasion. Really, it's because Invasion is such a halfassed story that no one bothers to edit the character articles for them. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] 06:10, 25 July 2013 (EDT)		:The page for Invasion. Really, it's because Invasion is such a halfassed story that no one bothers to edit the character articles for them. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] 06:10, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

			Given the upcoming Earthrise Ironworks toy, and the fact that Irontread was both renamed and has a non-Ironworks head and chest (specifically based off of yet another character), I question the assumption that Irontread is the same character as G1 Ironworks.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] ([[User talk:G.B. Blackrock\|talk]]) 13:05, 3 October 2019 (EDT)

Escargon at 10:10, 25 July 2013

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	This page says that Ironworks was not shown in "Invasion", but the page for that issue lists him amongst the characters. Which is correct? --[[User:Flicky1991\|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991\|1991]] 04:41, 25 July 2013 (EDT)		This page says that Ironworks was not shown in "Invasion", but the page for that issue lists him amongst the characters. Which is correct? --[[User:Flicky1991\|flicky]][[User talk:Flicky1991\|1991]] 04:41, 25 July 2013 (EDT)
			:The page for Invasion. Really, it's because Invasion is such a halfassed story that no one bothers to edit the character articles for them. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] 06:10, 25 July 2013 (EDT)

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	:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (~~base~~)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)		Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (facility)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)
	:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)		:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)
	::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)		::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)
	:::I disagree on the assertion that he looks "nothing" like the original. The share the same color scheme, at least in relation to his character art. The Modulator has a similar design on its chest, being split down the middle with one half red. The head seems similar, though definitely not identical. It's not perfect, since the bottom half of the left pectoral isn't red like the original, but it seems like the intention was to merge the Micromaster and the base into a single toy. By the logic of "They don't look close enough," we could argue that every Generation 2 toy that used the same name as a Generation 1 character must be separate. --[[User:King Starscream\|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream\|talk]]) 14:41, 22 March 2020 (EDT)		:::I disagree on the assertion that he looks "nothing" like the original. The share the same color scheme, at least in relation to his character art. The Modulator has a similar design on its chest, being split down the middle with one half red. The head seems similar, though definitely not identical. It's not perfect, since the bottom half of the left pectoral isn't red like the original, but it seems like the intention was to merge the Micromaster and the base into a single toy. By the logic of "They don't look close enough," we could argue that every Generation 2 toy that used the same name as a Generation 1 character must be separate. --[[User:King Starscream\|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream\|talk]]) 14:41, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

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	:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)		:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)
	::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)		::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)
			:::I disagree on the assertion that he looks "nothing" like the original. The share the same color scheme, at least in relation to his character art. The Modulator has a similar design on its chest, being split down the middle with one half red. The head seems similar, though definitely not identical. It's not perfect, since the bottom half of the left pectoral isn't red like the original, but it seems like the intention was to merge the Micromaster and the base into a single toy. By the logic of "They don't look close enough," we could argue that every Generation 2 toy that used the same name as a Generation 1 character must be separate. --[[User:King Starscream\|King Starscream]] ([[User talk:King Starscream\|talk]]) 14:41, 22 March 2020 (EDT)

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	Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)		Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)
	:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)		:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)
			::Absolutely not. Earthrise Ironworks looks nothing like Micromaster Ironworks, and the only conceivable reason for Irontread's new name is to not clash with the Earthrise toy. He was likely renamed because ALL the Micromaster Station commanders have names better suited for their bases - Hot House, Flattop, etc. There's no reason to put the Modulator on the Micromaster's page. --[[User:Riptide\|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide\|talk]]) 21:02, 18 December 2019 (EST)

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	::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)		Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)
			:Anybody? Anybody? Bueller? --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 10:51, 18 December 2019 (EST)

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	:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		:The deco and name are too close to the G1 original for me to dismiss, while the head and chest seem like a way to potentially get another redeco out of this base mold. As for the upcoming Ironworks toy, that just makes me think that Hasbro was able to get the trademark back in between releases. Think of how long we went having only "Shockblast"s and "Silverstreak"s before Hasbro sorted out those trademarks. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:38, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
	::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)		::Yeah, no, I'm not about to pagesplit this. The intent is aggressively obvious. And there's zero chance the new tooling was done specifically for this release. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 18:14, 3 October 2019 (EDT)
			Okay, so Saix recently moved the Earthrise figure to the page for the [[Ironworks (base)\|construction station]], with the rationale that "It's the construction station, not the Micromaster". It seems more likely to me that the new toy represents the same character as the original Micromaster, but in a new body that homages the construction station. The fact that the Micromaster just had a toy (with a new name) in Siege doesn't really hold much weight for me. Characters get new toys in successive toy lines all the time. The idea that the station would be converted into a new character who shares a name with the original character seems odd to me. Yes, it should be mentioned on the construction station page as an homage, but I still feel its main location should be here. Opening the topic for discussion. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 09:28, 6 October 2019 (EDT)