Talk:Jan Minakaze - Revision history

AzimuthAcolyte: updating links

2022-01-25T06:19:14Z

updating links

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	:--[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] 08:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)		:--[[User:Monzo\|Monzo]] 08:36, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

	:: IIRC, though pronounce "Jan", ジャン is usually refer to "Jean" in Japanese usage... errrr, [[romanization]] again. By the way, the picture of Patty, Minerva and another girl(Illumina?) is awesome, do you know where I can find the original? Thanks a lot! ;D --[[User:TX55\|TX55]] 08:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)		:: IIRC, though pronounce "Jan", ジャン is usually refer to "Jean" in Japanese usage... errrr, [[Japanese language\|romanization]] again. By the way, the picture of Patty, Minerva and another girl(Illumina?) is awesome, do you know where I can find the original? Thanks a lot! ;D --[[User:TX55\|TX55]] 08:41, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

	:::Thank you for the romanization insight, TX.		:::Thank you for the romanization insight, TX.

Saix: Saix moved page Talk:Jean Minakaze to Talk:Jan Minakaze

2016-02-26T20:20:53Z

Saix moved page Talk:Jean Minakaze to Talk:Jan Minakaze

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Saix: /* Name origin */

2016-02-26T15:13:52Z

Name origin

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	::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)
	:::I guess "Jan" is more orthographically sensible where Japanese is concerned, but I also feel that "Jean" the French spelling makes more sense as a name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2016 (EST)		:::I guess "Jan" is more orthographically sensible where Japanese is concerned, but I also feel that "Jean" the French spelling makes more sense as a name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2016 (EST)
			::::Read what Sabrblade said. "Jean" was not the intention of the name and it's not our place to push personal interpretations of names. (''[[Transformers: The Ark II\|The Ark II]]'' uses "Jan", if you need another official English document.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)

S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 at 01:26, 26 February 2016

2016-02-26T01:26:44Z

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	::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)
	::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)
			:::I guess "Jan" is more orthographically sensible where Japanese is concerned, but I also feel that "Jean" the French spelling makes more sense as a name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Saix: /* Name origin */

2016-02-26T00:34:15Z

Name origin

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	:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)		:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)
	::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)
			::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Saix: /* Name origin */

2016-02-26T00:31:59Z

Name origin

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	I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these, like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)		I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these, like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)
	:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)		:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)
			::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)

Sabrblade: /* Name origin */ proofreading

2016-02-20T01:51:11Z

Name origin: proofreading

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	Sooooo, in spite of all of the above justification from years ago given towards his name being "Jean" instead of "Jan", along comes issue #67 of the TCC magazine with an article about the development of the Victory franchise, which includes newly-arisen information on the origins of the kid's name, which peg him as having been "Jan" all along:		Sooooo, in spite of all of the above justification from years ago given towards his name being "Jean" instead of "Jan", along comes issue #67 of the TCC magazine with an article about the development of the Victory franchise, which includes newly-arisen information on the origins of the kid's name, which peg him as having been "Jan" all along:
	:''Several origins are given for Jan's name: it was derived from "Japan," "jump," "join," junior," "justice," and "jumbo."''		:''Several origins are given for Jan's name: it was derived from "Japan," "jump," "join," junior," "justice," and "jumbo."''
	Though Jan's mother being half-French is also mentioned, there is a special note attached to ~~the~~ mentioning ~~of her background~~ that refers to the fandom's using ~~it info~~ to render the boy's name as "Jean", and how the fandom's having done so is technically a misnomer:		Though Jan's mother being half-French is also mentioned, there is a special note attached to this mentioning that refers to the fandom's using her background to render the boy's name as "Jean", and how the fandom's having done so is technically a misnomer:
	:''*Jan's name is often interpreted as "Jean" due to his half-French lineage, but this idea was not present in the development of his character.''		:''*Jan's name is often interpreted as "Jean" due to his half-French lineage, but this idea was not present in the development of his character.''
	Furthermore, included in the article are two images of production documents that contain early design sketches and concept notes pertaining to Jan that denote the aforementioned origins of his name, ~~as well as~~ spell his name as "JAN" in English three times (the first of which is written in huge bold letters as the page title of the ~~first pic~~) and include the English words "JR" (twice), "JAPAN", "JOIN", and "Justice". There's also an arrow pointing the second "JAN" to "JAPAN" like "JAN →JAPAN".		Furthermore, included in the article are two images of production documents that contain early design sketches and concept notes pertaining to Jan that denote the aforementioned origins of his name, and which spell his name as "JAN" in English three times (the first of which is written in huge bold letters as the page title in one of the pics) and include the English words "JR" (twice), "JAPAN", "JOIN", and "Justice". There's also an arrow pointing the second "JAN" to "JAPAN" like "JAN →JAPAN".

	I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)		I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these, like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)
	:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)		:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)

Saix: /* Name origin */

2016-02-19T04:33:10Z

Name origin

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	I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)		I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)
			:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)

Sabrblade: /* Name origin */ new section

2016-02-19T04:24:33Z

Name origin: new section

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	Where would this information come from? I don't recall it from the manga or the anime and the article doesn't have it sourced. Was it mentioned in TV Magazine? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 12:34, 29 October 2010 (EDT)		Where would this information come from? I don't recall it from the manga or the anime and the article doesn't have it sourced. Was it mentioned in TV Magazine? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 12:34, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
	:For the record (only 2 and a half years later!) a [http://web.archive.org/web/20031005055612/http://www.tfcyberbon.com/arc_vqna.html Victory Q&A in TV Magazine]. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 23:40, 29 April 2013 (EDT)		:For the record (only 2 and a half years later!) a [http://web.archive.org/web/20031005055612/http://www.tfcyberbon.com/arc_vqna.html Victory Q&A in TV Magazine]. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 23:40, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

			== Name origin ==

			Sooooo, in spite of all of the above justification from years ago given towards his name being "Jean" instead of "Jan", along comes issue #67 of the TCC magazine with an article about the development of the Victory franchise, which includes newly-arisen information on the origins of the kid's name, which peg him as having been "Jan" all along:
			:''Several origins are given for Jan's name: it was derived from "Japan," "jump," "join," junior," "justice," and "jumbo."''
			Though Jan's mother being half-French is also mentioned, there is a special note attached to the mentioning of her background that refers to the fandom's using it info to render the boy's name as "Jean", and how the fandom's having done so is technically a misnomer:
			:''*Jan's name is often interpreted as "Jean" due to his half-French lineage, but this idea was not present in the development of his character.''
			Furthermore, included in the article are two images of production documents that contain early design sketches and concept notes pertaining to Jan that denote the aforementioned origins of his name, as well as spell his name as "JAN" in English three times (the first of which is written in huge bold letters as the page title of the first pic) and include the English words "JR" (twice), "JAPAN", "JOIN", and "Justice". There's also an arrow pointing the second "JAN" to "JAPAN" like "JAN →JAPAN".

			I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)

Abates: /* Half-French? */

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Half-French?

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	==Half-French?==		==Half-French?==
	Where would this information come from? I don't recall it from the manga or the anime and the article doesn't have it sourced. Was it mentioned in TV Magazine? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 12:34, 29 October 2010 (EDT)		Where would this information come from? I don't recall it from the manga or the anime and the article doesn't have it sourced. Was it mentioned in TV Magazine? [[User:Geewunling\|Geewunling]] 12:34, 29 October 2010 (EDT)
			:For the record (only 2 and a half years later!) a [http://web.archive.org/web/20031005055612/http://www.tfcyberbon.com/arc_vqna.html Victory Q&A in TV Magazine]. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 23:40, 29 April 2013 (EDT)

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	::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)
	:::I guess "Jan" is more orthographically sensible where Japanese is concerned, but I also feel that "Jean" the French spelling makes more sense as a name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2016 (EST)		:::I guess "Jan" is more orthographically sensible where Japanese is concerned, but I also feel that "Jean" the French spelling makes more sense as a name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2016 (EST)
			::::Read what Sabrblade said. "Jean" was not the intention of the name and it's not our place to push personal interpretations of names. (''[[Transformers: The Ark II\|The Ark II]]'' uses "Jan", if you need another official English document.) [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 10:13, 26 February 2016 (EST)

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	::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)
	::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)
			:::I guess "Jan" is more orthographically sensible where Japanese is concerned, but I also feel that "Jean" the French spelling makes more sense as a name. [[User:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47]] ([[User talk:S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47\|talk]]) 20:26, 25 February 2016 (EST)

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	:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)		:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)
	::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)		::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)
			::And now I'm inspired to watch ''Victory'' just to get this dumb stub done with... maybe next week. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:34, 25 February 2016 (EST)

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	I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these, like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)		I think we can now safely say that the name was supposed to be "Jan" after all and the half-French thing was just a bonus aspect, rather than an integral aspect, of the character. Plus, since this Wiki has a history of using production info from such materials as these, like episode scripts and model sheets, the same would apply for these conceptual character sketches and notes, too, right? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 23:24, 18 February 2016 (EST)
	:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)		:I already slapped the move template on the article, so we'll see if there's any disagreement in the next few days. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 23:33, 18 February 2016 (EST)
			::<nowiki>poke</nowiki> I'll do it tomorrow if there's no objections. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 19:31, 25 February 2016 (EST)