Talk:Jazz (G1)/toys - Revision history

Skrollex: /* Takara History Collection PVC figure */ new section

2020-08-17T00:45:53Z

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	What's the normal period for labeling a toy a shelfwarmer? Because the Power of the Primes Deluxe Class Jazz seems to be headed that way: I checked a lot of the local stores in my area an Jazz is piling up on the shelves in all of them while his wave-mates are disappearing. [[User:Battlemaster\|Battlemaster]] ([[User talk:Battlemaster\|talk]]) 00:10, 22 February 2018 (EST)		What's the normal period for labeling a toy a shelfwarmer? Because the Power of the Primes Deluxe Class Jazz seems to be headed that way: I checked a lot of the local stores in my area an Jazz is piling up on the shelves in all of them while his wave-mates are disappearing. [[User:Battlemaster\|Battlemaster]] ([[User talk:Battlemaster\|talk]]) 00:10, 22 February 2018 (EST)
	:More than ONE WAVE on shelves, that's for damn sure. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 01:16, 22 February 2018 (EST)		:More than ONE WAVE on shelves, that's for damn sure. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 01:16, 22 February 2018 (EST)

			== Takara History Collection PVC figure ==

			The merchandise section is missing the Takara History Collection figure. I have one I could photograph. Anyone want to draft the copy? --[[User:Skrollex\|Skrollex]] ([[User talk:Skrollex\|talk]]) 20:45, 16 August 2020 (EDT)

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	What's the normal period for labeling a toy a shelfwarmer? Because the Power of the Primes Deluxe Class Jazz seems to be headed that way: I checked a lot of the local stores in my area an Jazz is piling up on the shelves in all of them while his wave-mates are disappearing. [[User:Battlemaster\|Battlemaster]] ([[User talk:Battlemaster\|talk]]) 00:10, 22 February 2018 (EST)		What's the normal period for labeling a toy a shelfwarmer? Because the Power of the Primes Deluxe Class Jazz seems to be headed that way: I checked a lot of the local stores in my area an Jazz is piling up on the shelves in all of them while his wave-mates are disappearing. [[User:Battlemaster\|Battlemaster]] ([[User talk:Battlemaster\|talk]]) 00:10, 22 February 2018 (EST)
			:More than ONE WAVE on shelves, that's for damn sure. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 01:16, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Battlemaster at 05:10, 22 February 2018

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	::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)		::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)
	:::::Unjustified (or at least unexplained) reverts ''do'' hurt my feelings, but your point about ''potential terrible feelings'' is a good one. Thank you for pointing that out. --[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (EST)		:::::Unjustified (or at least unexplained) reverts ''do'' hurt my feelings, but your point about ''potential terrible feelings'' is a good one. Thank you for pointing that out. --[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (EST)

			== Shelfwarmer status ==

			What's the normal period for labeling a toy a shelfwarmer? Because the Power of the Primes Deluxe Class Jazz seems to be headed that way: I checked a lot of the local stores in my area an Jazz is piling up on the shelves in all of them while his wave-mates are disappearing. [[User:Battlemaster\|Battlemaster]] ([[User talk:Battlemaster\|talk]]) 00:10, 22 February 2018 (EST)

Rhymus: /* reverted caption */

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	:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)		:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)
	::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)		::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)
			:::::Unjustified (or at least unexplained) reverts ''do'' hurt my feelings, but your point about ''potential terrible feelings'' is a good one. Thank you for pointing that out. --[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (EST)

ItsWalky: /* reverted caption */

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	:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)		:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)
			::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)

ItsWalky: /* reverted caption */

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	::Saix, it's not just about the caption, it's about making the wiki better. Isn't being kind and helping each other learn the best way to do that?		::Saix, it's not just about the caption, it's about making the wiki better. Isn't being kind and helping each other learn the best way to do that?
	::--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 03:58, 14 January 2018 (EST)		::--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 03:58, 14 January 2018 (EST)
			:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)

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	:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)		:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)
	:The "easter egg" linking, particularly since half of them went off-site, was way over the top. But, really, just move on. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 07:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)		:The "easter egg" linking, particularly since half of them went off-site, was way over the top. But, really, just move on. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 07:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)
			::So the objection is the overuse of linking? Good to know, thanks for explaining. i'll try to cut back on that.
			::Saix, it's not just about the caption, it's about making the wiki better. Isn't being kind and helping each other learn the best way to do that?
			::--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 03:58, 14 January 2018 (EST)

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	:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)		:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)
			:The "easter egg" linking, particularly since half of them went off-site, was way over the top. But, really, just move on. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 07:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)

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			:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)

Rhymus: /* reverted caption */ new section

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	Didn't Hasbro already have the license for Porsche? If Jazz was already a Porsche then keep it that way! Right?{{unsigned\|CheeseMan}}		Didn't Hasbro already have the license for Porsche? If Jazz was already a Porsche then keep it that way! Right?{{unsigned\|CheeseMan}}
	:I'm not entirely sure what you are asking about. If you are referring to the original Jazz mold being a Porsche, there was no license from Porsche for that. Laws were different back then, none of the original Autobot car molds was a licensed replica. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:34, 3 January 2014 (EST)		:I'm not entirely sure what you are asking about. If you are referring to the original Jazz mold being a Porsche, there was no license from Porsche for that. Laws were different back then, none of the original Autobot car molds was a licensed replica. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:34, 3 January 2014 (EST)

			== reverted caption ==

			If i make an edit [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith\|in good faith]], i think wanting to know why [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jazz_(G1)/toys&diff=1228595&oldid=1228562 someone] [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jazz_(G1)/toys&diff=1228640&oldid=1228628 reverted] it is a reasonable request. If i say "1 + 1 = 10", telling me i'm wrong does not teach me that 1 + 1 = 2. It also denies me the opportunity to teach you what i know about binary.

			"Don't be racist. Be like the panda. They're black, white, and Asian." i think [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Keep_in_mind.2C_however...\|we can all agree]] racism is bad, and the people i meet in person tend to agree with me both that racism is bad and that this quote is an [[Talk:Main_Page\|amusing]] way of saying so.

			While i recognize that [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Keep_in_mind.2C_however...\|It is okay for an image to have gasp ''no caption at all'']], i think the disputed caption is exceptionally appropriate to associate with G1 Jazz. He's a race car, but not a racist (he appreciates the music, arts, and culture of organic creatures from a different planet, many of whom he counts as friends and allies). His deco is largely black and white, his voice actor is black, his altmode was designed by a German company (Germans ironically also being famous for white, racist Nazis), and his toy was designed by an Asian company.

			Some people say "It's not funny if you have to explain it." But then, it's not funny and it's not kind to [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Removing_joke_captions\|revert it]] without (stated) justification for doing so--and it doesn't help me help the wiki.

			i'll check here for comments, and unless there are a huge number of objections (or at least one reasonable objection with a civil explanation of why you object) within a week, i'm putting my caption back up.

			--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 21:48, 13 December 2017 (EST)

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	:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)		:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)
	::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)		::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)
			:::::Unjustified (or at least unexplained) reverts ''do'' hurt my feelings, but your point about ''potential terrible feelings'' is a good one. Thank you for pointing that out. --[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 04:35, 14 January 2018 (EST)

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	:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)		:::If we're going to mention Nazis -- and not just mention Nazis, but ardently argue in favor of mentioning Nazis -- I feel there had better be a good contextual reason, and not flippantly in favor of a caption we don't honestly require for understanding. So I would drop it, please, please, please drop it, and maybe save your arguing in favor of a caption for a different caption that doesn't bring up potential terrible feelings. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:06, 14 January 2018 (EST)
			::::Stupid game of telephone with the original, actual caption that didn't directly mention Nazis, and the long explanation for it which did. Regardless, racism is still a weird topic to be fighting for a jokey mention of, and I'm sure SOME folks on this Wiki (hi, Nevermore) might take exception to automatically linking being German with being Nazi. Again, for time 30 billion, find something else to do. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] ([[User talk:ItsWalky\|talk]]) 04:12, 14 January 2018 (EST)

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	:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)		:Stop obsessing over a caption and do actual editing. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 01:21, 14 December 2017 (EST)
			:The "easter egg" linking, particularly since half of them went off-site, was way over the top. But, really, just move on. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 07:49, 14 December 2017 (EST)

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	Didn't Hasbro already have the license for Porsche? If Jazz was already a Porsche then keep it that way! Right?{{unsigned\|CheeseMan}}		Didn't Hasbro already have the license for Porsche? If Jazz was already a Porsche then keep it that way! Right?{{unsigned\|CheeseMan}}
	:I'm not entirely sure what you are asking about. If you are referring to the original Jazz mold being a Porsche, there was no license from Porsche for that. Laws were different back then, none of the original Autobot car molds was a licensed replica. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:34, 3 January 2014 (EST)		:I'm not entirely sure what you are asking about. If you are referring to the original Jazz mold being a Porsche, there was no license from Porsche for that. Laws were different back then, none of the original Autobot car molds was a licensed replica. --[[User:Khajidha\|Khajidha]] ([[User talk:Khajidha\|talk]]) 13:34, 3 January 2014 (EST)

			== reverted caption ==

			If i make an edit [[wikipedia:Wikipedia:Assume_good_faith\|in good faith]], i think wanting to know why [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jazz_(G1)/toys&diff=1228595&oldid=1228562 someone] [http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Jazz_(G1)/toys&diff=1228640&oldid=1228628 reverted] it is a reasonable request. If i say "1 + 1 = 10", telling me i'm wrong does not teach me that 1 + 1 = 2. It also denies me the opportunity to teach you what i know about binary.

			"Don't be racist. Be like the panda. They're black, white, and Asian." i think [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Keep_in_mind.2C_however...\|we can all agree]] racism is bad, and the people i meet in person tend to agree with me both that racism is bad and that this quote is an [[Talk:Main_Page\|amusing]] way of saying so.

			While i recognize that [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Keep_in_mind.2C_however...\|It is okay for an image to have gasp ''no caption at all'']], i think the disputed caption is exceptionally appropriate to associate with G1 Jazz. He's a race car, but not a racist (he appreciates the music, arts, and culture of organic creatures from a different planet, many of whom he counts as friends and allies). His deco is largely black and white, his voice actor is black, his altmode was designed by a German company (Germans ironically also being famous for white, racist Nazis), and his toy was designed by an Asian company.

			Some people say "It's not funny if you have to explain it." But then, it's not funny and it's not kind to [[Transformers_Wiki:Captions#Removing_joke_captions\|revert it]] without (stated) justification for doing so--and it doesn't help me help the wiki.

			i'll check here for comments, and unless there are a huge number of objections (or at least one reasonable objection with a civil explanation of why you object) within a week, i'm putting my caption back up.

			--[[User:Rhymus\|Rhymus]] ([[User talk:Rhymus\|talk]]) 21:48, 13 December 2017 (EST)