Talk:Liege Maximo's tomb - Revision history

https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?action=history&feed=atom&title=Talk%3ALiege_Maximo%27s_tomb Talk:Liege Maximo's tomb - Revision history 2026-09-12T23:35:39Z Revision history for this page on the wiki MediaWiki 1.45.3 https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=844429&oldid=prev SanityOrMadness at 18:55, 2 January 2014 2014-01-02T18:55:42Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 18:55, 2 January 2014</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l10">Line 10:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 10:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which CoP buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which CoP buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::But that's irrelevant for Sentinel, who never earned the Matrix. Whether Primes are born or made, he was neither. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 04:04, 2 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::But that's irrelevant for Sentinel, who never earned the Matrix. Whether Primes are born or made, he was neither. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 04:04, 2 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::You're right. I got my Sentinel Primes mixed up. [Still don't like the Covenant's take on it, but still...] - 13:55, 2 January 2014 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td></tr> </table>

SanityOrMadness https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=844384&oldid=prev Chris McFeely at 09:04, 2 January 2014 2014-01-02T09:04:14Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 09:04, 2 January 2014</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l9">Line 9:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 9:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which CoP buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which CoP buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::But that's irrelevant for Sentinel, who never earned the Matrix. Whether Primes are born or made, he was neither. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 04:04, 2 January 2014 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td></tr> </table>

Chris McFeely https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=844339&oldid=prev ZacWilliam at 01:57, 2 January 2014 2014-01-02T01:57:04Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 01:57, 2 January 2014</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l6">Line 6:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 6:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Thing that strikes me about this one is that the Covenant is an in-universe book, that has a character actually identify the tomb as Maximo's. The Art of Prime is an out-of-universe book that only identifies the Prime as Sentinel in a small text caption that's a call-out on a piece of art. Plus as Zac says, Sentinel isn't a real Prime and his arm shouldn't actually convey any power. I'm sure we can get Jim to weigh in on this, but it does feel like it ought to go to Maximo's page with a note. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:36, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Thing that strikes me about this one is that the Covenant is an in-universe book, that has a character actually identify the tomb as Maximo's. The Art of Prime is an out-of-universe book that only identifies the Prime as Sentinel in a small text caption that's a call-out on a piece of art. Plus as Zac says, Sentinel isn't a real Prime and his arm shouldn't actually convey any power. I'm sure we can get Jim to weigh in on this, but it does feel like it ought to go to Maximo's page with a note. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:36, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::I would take the exact opposite route - Art of Prime is an objective thing, CoP subjectively comes from a character. I'm with Abates on what should happen. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::::I would take the exact opposite route - Art of Prime is an objective thing, CoP subjectively comes from a character. I'm with Abates on what should happen. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::::I disagree. Isn't our rule on the Wiki that Fiction is king. We do our articles "in fiction" and what is actually in fiction trumps "Authorial Intent." Yes? The CoP IS the in fiction bit here and the Art Book picture label is Authoral intent at best. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 20:57, 1 January 2014 (EST) </ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which CoP buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which CoP buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> </table>

ZacWilliam https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=844338&oldid=prev SanityOrMadness at 01:48, 2 January 2014 2014-01-02T01:48:26Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 01:48, 2 January 2014</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l8">Line 8:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 8:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which <del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">this </del>buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</ins>:Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which <ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">CoP </ins>buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> </table>

SanityOrMadness https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=844337&oldid=prev SanityOrMadness at 01:48, 2 January 2014 2014-01-02T01:48:01Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 01:48, 2 January 2014</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l5">Line 5:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 5:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::My point is that when we have two continuities that contradict each other like we do with, say War for Cybertron and Exodus, the contradictory information goes in each section while the introduction remains neutral. What I'm suggesting is that we give this page the name "Dead Prime's tomb", and the Prime cartoon section says the dead Prime was Sentinel, and the Covenant section says it was Liege Maximo. Otherwise we're ignoring the fact that a canon source directly related to the cartoon says that the dead Prime in question is Sentinel. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:52, 1 January 2014 (EST)]</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::My point is that when we have two continuities that contradict each other like we do with, say War for Cybertron and Exodus, the contradictory information goes in each section while the introduction remains neutral. What I'm suggesting is that we give this page the name "Dead Prime's tomb", and the Prime cartoon section says the dead Prime was Sentinel, and the Covenant section says it was Liege Maximo. Otherwise we're ignoring the fact that a canon source directly related to the cartoon says that the dead Prime in question is Sentinel. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:52, 1 January 2014 (EST)]</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Thing that strikes me about this one is that the Covenant is an in-universe book, that has a character actually identify the tomb as Maximo's. The Art of Prime is an out-of-universe book that only identifies the Prime as Sentinel in a small text caption that's a call-out on a piece of art. Plus as Zac says, Sentinel isn't a real Prime and his arm shouldn't actually convey any power. I'm sure we can get Jim to weigh in on this, but it does feel like it ought to go to Maximo's page with a note. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:36, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::::Thing that strikes me about this one is that the Covenant is an in-universe book, that has a character actually identify the tomb as Maximo's. The Art of Prime is an out-of-universe book that only identifies the Prime as Sentinel in a small text caption that's a call-out on a piece of art. Plus as Zac says, Sentinel isn't a real Prime and his arm shouldn't actually convey any power. I'm sure we can get Jim to weigh in on this, but it does feel like it ought to go to Maximo's page with a note. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:36, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::::I would take the exact opposite route - Art of Prime is an objective thing, CoP subjectively comes from a character. I'm with Abates on what should happen. - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:Yeah,. but that's the *opposite* tack from the route the cartoon takes - it makes a point of saying Primes are **not** born, they earn the title ([[Prey (episode)|Prey]]/[[Rebellion (Prime)|Rebellion]] has Optimus tell Smokescreen that the Matrix can choose to make him a Prime, and [[One Shall Fall]] has Ratchet tell the kids that the title of Prime can only be earned, not inherited or born into. Which as the article notes, is the exact opposite of the "born to rule" creed Optimus gives Megatron in RotF, and which this buys into.). - [[User:SanityOrMadness|SanityOrMadness]] ([[User talk:SanityOrMadness|talk]]) 20:48, 1 January 2014 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> </table>

SanityOrMadness https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=844310&oldid=prev Chris McFeely at 23:36, 1 January 2014 2014-01-01T23:36:41Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 23:36, 1 January 2014</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::My point is that when we have two continuities that contradict each other like we do with, say War for Cybertron and Exodus, the contradictory information goes in each section while the introduction remains neutral. What I'm suggesting is that we give this page the name "Dead Prime's tomb", and the Prime cartoon section says the dead Prime was Sentinel, and the Covenant section says it was Liege Maximo. Otherwise we're ignoring the fact that a canon source directly related to the cartoon says that the dead Prime in question is Sentinel. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:52, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:::My point is that when we have two continuities that contradict each other like we do with, say War for Cybertron and Exodus, the contradictory information goes in each section while the introduction remains neutral. What I'm suggesting is that we give this page the name "Dead Prime's tomb", and the Prime cartoon section says the dead Prime was Sentinel, and the Covenant section says it was Liege Maximo. Otherwise we're ignoring the fact that a canon source directly related to the cartoon says that the dead Prime in question is Sentinel. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:52<ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">, 1 January 2014 (EST)]</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::::Thing that strikes me about this one is that the Covenant is an in-universe book, that has a character actually identify the tomb as Maximo's. The Art of Prime is an out-of-universe book that only identifies the Prime as Sentinel in a small text caption that's a call-out on a piece of art. Plus as Zac says, Sentinel isn't a real Prime and his arm shouldn't actually convey any power. I'm sure we can get Jim to weigh in on this, but it does feel like it ought to go to Maximo's page with a note. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 18:36</ins>, 1 January 2014 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td></tr> </table>

Chris McFeely https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=844304&oldid=prev Abates at 20:52, 1 January 2014 2014-01-01T20:52:08Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 20:52, 1 January 2014</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:::My point is that when we have two continuities that contradict each other like we do with, say War for Cybertron and Exodus, the contradictory information goes in each section while the introduction remains neutral. What I'm suggesting is that we give this page the name "Dead Prime's tomb", and the Prime cartoon section says the dead Prime was Sentinel, and the Covenant section says it was Liege Maximo. Otherwise we're ignoring the fact that a canon source directly related to the cartoon says that the dead Prime in question is Sentinel. --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 15:52, 1 January 2014 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> </table>

Abates https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=843915&oldid=prev ZacWilliam at 19:36, 29 December 2013 2013-12-29T19:36:44Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:36, 29 December 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><del style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">:</del>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td></tr> </table>

ZacWilliam https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=843914&oldid=prev ZacWilliam at 19:36, 29 December 2013 2013-12-29T19:36:22Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:36, 29 December 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l3">Line 3:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 3:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="−"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #ffe49c; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div> </div></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Ooo, thought. In this version of the story Sentinel Prime is not a "Real" Prime. He has no lineage or Matrix to give him claim to that name. He's just a regular bot who took the title. Given that the Cartoon establishes a Prime of the lineage is needed to work the Forge, that May be behind the decision to change it to not be his arm Megs takes. Since his arm shouldn't work it anyway.--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:36, 29 December 2013 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td></tr> </table>

ZacWilliam https://tfwiki.duckdns.org/index.php?title=Talk:Liege_Maximo%27s_tomb&diff=843906&oldid=prev ZacWilliam at 19:17, 29 December 2013 2013-12-29T19:17:04Z

<p></p> <table style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122;" data-mw="interface"> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <col class="diff-marker" /> <col class="diff-content" /> <tr class="diff-title" lang="en"> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">← Older revision</td> <td colspan="2" style="background-color: #fff; color: #202122; text-align: center;">Revision as of 19:17, 29 December 2013</td> </tr><tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno" id="mw-diff-left-l2">Line 2:</td> <td colspan="2" class="diff-lineno">Line 2:</td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:ha ha ha *sob* --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 13:44, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:ha ha ha *sob* --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] ([[User talk:Monzo|talk]]) 13:44, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>:Transformers Prime continuity: Sentinel Prime; Covenant of Primus continuity: Liege Maximo. Easy! (If Hasbro want to convince me that it's all one big continuity, they're going to have to do better with the details. I can't squint hard enough to make Sentinel Prime look like Liege Maximo) --[[User:Abates|abates]] ([[User talk:Abates|talk]]) 14:12, 29 December 2013 (EST)</div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;">::Only problem with that approach (if you want to consider it a problem) is that Hasbro has already right out and said they have no intention of "doing better with the details" than that, because *they* can squint well enough to see past it and they are considering it all one thing whether they convince you or not. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] ([[User talk:ZacWilliam|talk]]) 14:17, 29 December 2013 (EST)</ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td colspan="2" class="diff-side-deleted"></td><td class="diff-marker" data-marker="+"></td><td style="color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #a3d3ff; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div><ins style="font-weight: bold; text-decoration: none;"></ins></div></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><br></td></tr> <tr><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td><td class="diff-marker"></td><td style="background-color: #f8f9fa; color: #202122; font-size: 88%; border-style: solid; border-width: 1px 1px 1px 4px; border-radius: 0.33em; border-color: #eaecf0; vertical-align: top; white-space: pre-wrap;"><div>== Rampant Speculation ==</div></td></tr> </table>

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