Talk:Linda Gary - Revision history

Chris McFeely at 20:01, 30 June 2019

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
	:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, ~~some of them don't even agree with any more~~. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary performed ''all'' the otherwise-unidentified Season 2 female voices because they had no other names to work with; just look at the Cybertron Chronicle, which still incorrectly lists her as not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue and the supporting female voices from "Big Brodcast" (all Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), Astoria (who still hasn't been identified), and Justin from "Master Plan" (who was Mona Marshall). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
			:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, has in large part been proven incorrect. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct (they list, in essence, the actors cast at the time the credits had to be written up for the season premiere, never being updated to include actors cast after that point), but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary performed ''all'' the otherwise-unidentified Season 2 female voices because they had no other names to work with; just look at the Cybertron Chronicle, which still incorrectly lists her as not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue and the supporting female voices from "Big Brodcast" (all Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), Astoria (who still hasn't been identified), and Justin from "Master Plan" (who was Mona Marshall). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Chris McFeely at 19:51, 30 June 2019

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
	:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary ~~was~~ ''all'' unidentified Season 2 female voices ~~to her~~ because they had no other names to work with, ~~including~~ not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue (Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), ~~and~~ Astoria (who still hasn't been identified). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary performed ''all'' the otherwise-unidentified Season 2 female voices because they had no other names to work with; just look at the Cybertron Chronicle, which still incorrectly lists her as not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue and the supporting female voices from "Big Brodcast" (all Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), Astoria (who still hasn't been identified), and Justin from "Master Plan" (who was Mona Marshall). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Chris McFeely at 19:49, 30 June 2019

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
	:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point, merely that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary was ''all'' unidentified Season 2 female voices to her because they had no other names to work with, including not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue (Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), and Astoria (who still hasn't been identified). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Chris McFeely at 19:47, 30 June 2019

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
			:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point, merely that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Cyberlink420 at 18:24, 30 June 2019

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
			:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

Fairplaythings at 17:42, 30 June 2019

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	:Is there a chance the VA was Susan Silo? She voiced [http://picosong.com/wynsT/ Sandra in Inhumanoids] (which had a lot of cast/personnel in common with Transformers) and [http://picosong.com/wynsz here's Chromia for comparison]. The voices sound pretty similar to me but that's just my two cents. The thought of it being her was brought up to me on another site and inspired by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGqQJV9cGbQ&lc=z231xduiesfzh30saacdp43a4pnvggaomoe51zeqv1dw03c010c.1515443200645899 someone else's suggestion on a Youtube comment], and it seems like a decent case. --[[User:NCZ\|NCZ]] ([[User talk:NCZ\|talk]]) 23:23, 9 January 2018 (EST)		:Is there a chance the VA was Susan Silo? She voiced [http://picosong.com/wynsT/ Sandra in Inhumanoids] (which had a lot of cast/personnel in common with Transformers) and [http://picosong.com/wynsz here's Chromia for comparison]. The voices sound pretty similar to me but that's just my two cents. The thought of it being her was brought up to me on another site and inspired by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGqQJV9cGbQ&lc=z231xduiesfzh30saacdp43a4pnvggaomoe51zeqv1dw03c010c.1515443200645899 someone else's suggestion on a Youtube comment], and it seems like a decent case. --[[User:NCZ\|NCZ]] ([[User talk:NCZ\|talk]]) 23:23, 9 January 2018 (EST)

	In 2015, Chris McFeely removed [[Linda Gary]] as the voice talent for [[Chromia]], based seemingly on a feeling that Ms. Gary did not "sound" like Chromia and the absence of her name from the Season Two end credit sequence. Since then, no one has come forward with concrete proof that Ms. Gary was not the contributing actor, and the credit spot has remained vacant.		In 2015, Chris McFeely removed [[Linda Gary]] as the voice talent for [[Chromia (G1)]], based seemingly on a feeling that Ms. Gary did not "sound" like Chromia and the absence of her name from the Season Two end credit sequence. Since then, no one has come forward with concrete proof that Ms. Gary was not the contributing actor, and the credit spot has remained vacant.

	I submit that, particularly in the absence of any solid evidence to the contrary, Linda Gary is Chromia.		I submit that, particularly in the absence of any solid evidence to the contrary, Linda Gary is Chromia.
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	Moreover, Ms. Gray was known for her versatility, as evidenced by this profile in the LA Times in 1987 (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-12-vw-9229-story.html). Quote: "Linda is one of the most versatile and talented ladies in the voice field in L.A.," said Erika Scheimer, who casts and directs for Filmation of Canoga Park, a major producer of cartoons. "So if we need someone really versatile, she's the person we call." During one studio session, to get the feel of being a witch, Gary shriveled her 5-foot-9 frame into a wizened, sputtering, spitting, evil creature with a gravel voice. "You have to have some empathy with the character you're playing to make them real," she said. "When you're doing a character, especially a cartoon, your body has to move, your face has to move, you have to contort yourself into what that character is doing."		Moreover, Ms. Gray was known for her versatility, as evidenced by this profile in the LA Times in 1987 (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-12-vw-9229-story.html). Quote: "Linda is one of the most versatile and talented ladies in the voice field in L.A.," said Erika Scheimer, who casts and directs for Filmation of Canoga Park, a major producer of cartoons. "So if we need someone really versatile, she's the person we call." During one studio session, to get the feel of being a witch, Gary shriveled her 5-foot-9 frame into a wizened, sputtering, spitting, evil creature with a gravel voice. "You have to have some empathy with the character you're playing to make them real," she said. "When you're doing a character, especially a cartoon, your body has to move, your face has to move, you have to contort yourself into what that character is doing."

	Finally, her absence from a generic season-wide end credit is to be expected in an era when credit was not always given where do. There are in fact only two female voice actors listed in the Season Two era - Morgan Lofting (well-known to Sunbow as the Baroness in G.I. Joe) and Arlene Banas (who was a mainstay as Carly throughout Season 2 and 3) - and none in Season One. It is not surprising then that Ms. Gary would not be included in this list, as other female actors were also omitted from the Transformers credit sequent. For example, [[Mona Marshall]], who portrayed [[Luisa]] in [[Fire on the Mountain]] and [[Aron]] in [[Child's Play]], was omitted from both the Season One and Season Two end credit sequences. Within [The Search for Alpha Trion]] episode itself, [[Elita One]] herself, [[Marlene Aragon]], is not listed in the Season Two end credit sequence.		Finally, her absence from a generic season-wide end credit is to be expected in an era when credit was not always given where do. There are in fact only two female voice actors listed in the Season Two era - Morgan Lofting (well-known to Sunbow as the Baroness in G.I. Joe) and Arlene Banas (who was a mainstay as Carly throughout Season 2 and 3) - and none in Season One. It is not surprising then that Ms. Gary would not be included in this list, as other female actors were also omitted from the Transformers credit sequent. For example, [[Mona Marshall]], who portrayed [[Luisa]] in [[Fire on the Mountain (episode)]] and [[Aron]] in [[Child's Play (episode)]], was omitted from both the Season One and Season Two end credit sequences. Within [The Search for Alpha Trion]] episode itself, [[Elita One (G1)]] herself, [[Marlene Aragon]], is not listed in the Season Two end credit sequence.

	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019

Fairplaythings at 17:36, 30 June 2019

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	Finally, her absence from a generic season-wide end credit is to be expected in an era when credit was not always given where do. There are in fact only two female voice actors listed in the Season Two era - Morgan Lofting (well-known to Sunbow as the Baroness in G.I. Joe) and Arlene Banas (who was a mainstay as Carly throughout Season 2 and 3) - and none in Season One. It is not surprising then that Ms. Gary would not be included in this list, as other female actors were also omitted from the Transformers credit sequent. For example, [[Mona Marshall]], who portrayed [[Luisa]] in [[Fire on the Mountain]] and [[Aron]] in [[Child's Play]], was omitted from both the Season One and Season Two end credit sequences. Within [The Search for Alpha Trion]] episode itself, [[Elita One]] herself, [[Marlene Aragon]], is not listed in the Season Two end credit sequence.		Finally, her absence from a generic season-wide end credit is to be expected in an era when credit was not always given where do. There are in fact only two female voice actors listed in the Season Two era - Morgan Lofting (well-known to Sunbow as the Baroness in G.I. Joe) and Arlene Banas (who was a mainstay as Carly throughout Season 2 and 3) - and none in Season One. It is not surprising then that Ms. Gary would not be included in this list, as other female actors were also omitted from the Transformers credit sequent. For example, [[Mona Marshall]], who portrayed [[Luisa]] in [[Fire on the Mountain]] and [[Aron]] in [[Child's Play]], was omitted from both the Season One and Season Two end credit sequences. Within [The Search for Alpha Trion]] episode itself, [[Elita One]] herself, [[Marlene Aragon]], is not listed in the Season Two end credit sequence.

	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this.		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019

Fairplaythings at 17:33, 30 June 2019

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	I've been going back over the G1 cartoon lately, and I cannot buy into the idea that Linda Gary did any of the voices listed. All the credits I have removed were guesswork on the part of Zobovor back in the days of his voice actor list, based on her being credited in the third season alone. Linda Gary's got a very distinctive voice (if you've watched He-Man, you know that), and she doesn't sound like any of the women who voiced those characters. I could certainly believe that some of them were voiced by the same person (Chromia and Talaria, perhaps), but I have to remove these for my own sanity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 13:44, 30 August 2015 (EDT)		I've been going back over the G1 cartoon lately, and I cannot buy into the idea that Linda Gary did any of the voices listed. All the credits I have removed were guesswork on the part of Zobovor back in the days of his voice actor list, based on her being credited in the third season alone. Linda Gary's got a very distinctive voice (if you've watched He-Man, you know that), and she doesn't sound like any of the women who voiced those characters. I could certainly believe that some of them were voiced by the same person (Chromia and Talaria, perhaps), but I have to remove these for my own sanity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 13:44, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
	:Is there a chance the VA was Susan Silo? She voiced [http://picosong.com/wynsT/ Sandra in Inhumanoids] (which had a lot of cast/personnel in common with Transformers) and [http://picosong.com/wynsz here's Chromia for comparison]. The voices sound pretty similar to me but that's just my two cents. The thought of it being her was brought up to me on another site and inspired by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGqQJV9cGbQ&lc=z231xduiesfzh30saacdp43a4pnvggaomoe51zeqv1dw03c010c.1515443200645899 someone else's suggestion on a Youtube comment], and it seems like a decent case. --[[User:NCZ\|NCZ]] ([[User talk:NCZ\|talk]]) 23:23, 9 January 2018 (EST)		:Is there a chance the VA was Susan Silo? She voiced [http://picosong.com/wynsT/ Sandra in Inhumanoids] (which had a lot of cast/personnel in common with Transformers) and [http://picosong.com/wynsz here's Chromia for comparison]. The voices sound pretty similar to me but that's just my two cents. The thought of it being her was brought up to me on another site and inspired by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGqQJV9cGbQ&lc=z231xduiesfzh30saacdp43a4pnvggaomoe51zeqv1dw03c010c.1515443200645899 someone else's suggestion on a Youtube comment], and it seems like a decent case. --[[User:NCZ\|NCZ]] ([[User talk:NCZ\|talk]]) 23:23, 9 January 2018 (EST)

			In 2015, Chris McFeely removed [[Linda Gary]] as the voice talent for [[Chromia]], based seemingly on a feeling that Ms. Gary did not "sound" like Chromia and the absence of her name from the Season Two end credit sequence. Since then, no one has come forward with concrete proof that Ms. Gary was not the contributing actor, and the credit spot has remained vacant.

			I submit that, particularly in the absence of any solid evidence to the contrary, Linda Gary is Chromia.

			Multiple sources have listed her in this role. The in-depth Cybertron Chronicle (http://cybertronchronicle.freewebspace.com/cartoon-dossier/season-2/cast/700-52-principals.html) lists her among the principal cast. Ms. Gary is also attributed the role in IMDB (https://www.imdb.com/name/nm0308881/), Behind the Voice Actor (https://www.behindthevoiceactors.com/Linda-Gary/), and wikipedia https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Gary).

			Moreover, Ms. Gray was known for her versatility, as evidenced by this profile in the LA Times in 1987 (https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1987-03-12-vw-9229-story.html). Quote: "Linda is one of the most versatile and talented ladies in the voice field in L.A.," said Erika Scheimer, who casts and directs for Filmation of Canoga Park, a major producer of cartoons. "So if we need someone really versatile, she's the person we call." During one studio session, to get the feel of being a witch, Gary shriveled her 5-foot-9 frame into a wizened, sputtering, spitting, evil creature with a gravel voice. "You have to have some empathy with the character you're playing to make them real," she said. "When you're doing a character, especially a cartoon, your body has to move, your face has to move, you have to contort yourself into what that character is doing."

			Finally, her absence from a generic season-wide end credit is to be expected in an era when credit was not always given where do. There are in fact only two female voice actors listed in the Season Two era - Morgan Lofting (well-known to Sunbow as the Baroness in G.I. Joe) and Arlene Banas (who was a mainstay as Carly throughout Season 2 and 3) - and none in Season One. It is not surprising then that Ms. Gary would not be included in this list, as other female actors were also omitted from the Transformers credit sequent. For example, [[Mona Marshall]], who portrayed [[Luisa]] in [[Fire on the Mountain]] and [[Aron]] in [[Child's Play]], was omitted from both the Season One and Season Two end credit sequences. Within [The Search for Alpha Trion]] episode itself, [[Elita One]] herself, [[Marlene Aragon]], is not listed in the Season Two end credit sequence.

			The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this.

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	I've been going back over the G1 cartoon lately, and I cannot buy into the idea that Linda Gary did any of the voices listed. All the credits I have removed were guesswork on the part of Zobovor back in the days of his voice actor list, based on her being credited in the third season alone. Linda Gary's got a very distinctive voice (if you've watched He-Man, you know that), and she doesn't sound like any of the women who voiced those characters. I could certainly believe that some of them were voiced by the same person (Chromia and Talaria, perhaps), but I have to remove these for my own sanity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 13:44, 30 August 2015 (EDT)		I've been going back over the G1 cartoon lately, and I cannot buy into the idea that Linda Gary did any of the voices listed. All the credits I have removed were guesswork on the part of Zobovor back in the days of his voice actor list, based on her being credited in the third season alone. Linda Gary's got a very distinctive voice (if you've watched He-Man, you know that), and she doesn't sound like any of the women who voiced those characters. I could certainly believe that some of them were voiced by the same person (Chromia and Talaria, perhaps), but I have to remove these for my own sanity. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 13:44, 30 August 2015 (EDT)
			:Is there a chance the VA was Susan Silo? She voiced [http://picosong.com/wynsT/ Sandra in Inhumanoids] (which had a lot of cast/personnel in common with Transformers) and [http://picosong.com/wynsz here's Chromia for comparison]. The voices sound pretty similar to me but that's just my two cents. The thought of it being her was brought up to me on another site and inspired by [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGqQJV9cGbQ&lc=z231xduiesfzh30saacdp43a4pnvggaomoe51zeqv1dw03c010c.1515443200645899 someone else's suggestion on a Youtube comment], and it seems like a decent case. --[[User:NCZ\|NCZ]] ([[User talk:NCZ\|talk]]) 23:23, 9 January 2018 (EST)

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I've been going back over the G1 cartoon lately, and I cannot buy into the idea that Linda Gary did any of the voices listed. All the credits I have removed were guesswork on the part of Zobovor back in the days of his voice actor list, based on her being credited in the third season alone. Linda Gary's got a very distinctive voice (if you've watched He-Man, you know that), and she doesn't sound like any of the women who voiced those characters. I could certainly believe that some of them were voiced by the same person (Chromia and Talaria, perhaps), but I have to remove these for my own sanity. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely|talk]]) 13:44, 30 August 2015 (EDT)

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
	:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, ~~some of them don't even agree with any more~~. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary performed ''all'' the otherwise-unidentified Season 2 female voices because they had no other names to work with; just look at the Cybertron Chronicle, which still incorrectly lists her as not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue and the supporting female voices from "Big Brodcast" (all Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), Astoria (who still hasn't been identified), and Justin from "Master Plan" (who was Mona Marshall). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
			:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, has in large part been proven incorrect. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct (they list, in essence, the actors cast at the time the credits had to be written up for the season premiere, never being updated to include actors cast after that point), but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary performed ''all'' the otherwise-unidentified Season 2 female voices because they had no other names to work with; just look at the Cybertron Chronicle, which still incorrectly lists her as not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue and the supporting female voices from "Big Brodcast" (all Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), Astoria (who still hasn't been identified), and Justin from "Master Plan" (who was Mona Marshall). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
	:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary ~~was~~ ''all'' unidentified Season 2 female voices ~~to her~~ because they had no other names to work with, ~~including~~ not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue (Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), ~~and~~ Astoria (who still hasn't been identified). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary performed ''all'' the otherwise-unidentified Season 2 female voices because they had no other names to work with; just look at the Cybertron Chronicle, which still incorrectly lists her as not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue and the supporting female voices from "Big Brodcast" (all Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), Astoria (who still hasn't been identified), and Justin from "Master Plan" (who was Mona Marshall). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
	:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point, merely that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point - my point was that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2 without basis. They literally claimed Gary was ''all'' unidentified Season 2 female voices to her because they had no other names to work with, including not just Chromia and Talaria, but Alana (who we now know was Melendy Britt), Nimue (Joy Grdnic, who they incorrectly thought played Jessica Morgan), and Astoria (who still hasn't been identified). Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. . - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)

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	The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019		The evidence points to Linda Gary as Chromia. It is time to adjust the profile of Chromia, and of Ms. Gary herself, to reflect this. [[User:fairplaythings\|fairplaythings]] 30 June 2019
	:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)		:IMDB and Wikipedia are user-submitted, and thus can (and often do) get things wrong. And BTVA doesn't have her marked with a check, meaning that it is not a confirmed credit and is based on hearsay or the best guess of the site admins, and is thus capable of being wrong. Cybertron Chronicle is also a fansite, and very likely based their list on ours, creating a sort of feedback loop of misinformation. While she does have range and may have been uncredited, other actresses also have solid range and (by your own admission) have been uncredited in the past. Either way, you haven't presented enough evidence to definitively place Gary as the voice of Chromia. -- [[User:Cyberlink420\|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420\|talk]]) 14:24, 30 June 2019 (EDT)
			:Absolutely none of this evidence "points" to Gary as those voices. All online databases that list her as the roles do so as the result of guesswork from fans on alt.toys.transformers in the 90s - guesswork that today, some of them don't even agree with any more. Gary ''was'' versatile, as any viewer of ''He-Man'' and ''She-Ra'' could tell you, where she did almost all the female voices, but she still always sounded ''like herself'', which Talaria and Chromia do not. Your point about the Season 2 credits is correct, but her absence from it was not ''my'' original point, merely that the original guessworkers tried to retroactively apply the third season credits to season 2. - [[User:Chris McFeely\|Chris McFeely]] ([[User talk:Chris McFeely\|talk]]) 15:47, 30 June 2019 (EDT)