Talk:Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger! - Revision history

Cyberlink420: Undo revision 1756337 by Ryangut (talk) You've been warned about this before.

2024-03-31T15:27:44Z

Undo revision 1756337 by Ryangut (talk) You've been warned about this before.

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	::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	:::Just for background, this [http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/危機一髪 dictionary and translation site] gives "to be in imminent danger" as the ''first'' translation for kiki ippatsu. I think you are trying to translate it rather too literally, piece by piece, than idiomatically.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 11:23, 15 June 2012 (EDT)		:::Just for background, this [http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/危機一髪 dictionary and translation site] gives "to be in imminent danger" as the ''first'' translation for kiki ippatsu. I think you are trying to translate it rather too literally, piece by piece, than idiomatically.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 11:23, 15 June 2012 (EDT)

	~~This cartoon clearly contradicts the other Beast Wars II cartoons. So it must go in the Manga continuity (inbetween #6 & 7). The Manga continuity is a different but similar continuity. Easy.~~
	~~--[[User:Ryangut\|Ryangut]] ([[User talk:Ryangut\|talk]]) 07:17, 31 March 2024 (EDT)~~

Ryangut: where this story fits

2024-03-31T11:17:48Z

where this story fits

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	::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	:::Just for background, this [http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/危機一髪 dictionary and translation site] gives "to be in imminent danger" as the ''first'' translation for kiki ippatsu. I think you are trying to translate it rather too literally, piece by piece, than idiomatically.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 11:23, 15 June 2012 (EDT)		:::Just for background, this [http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/危機一髪 dictionary and translation site] gives "to be in imminent danger" as the ''first'' translation for kiki ippatsu. I think you are trying to translate it rather too literally, piece by piece, than idiomatically.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 11:23, 15 June 2012 (EDT)

			This cartoon clearly contradicts the other Beast Wars II cartoons. So it must go in the Manga continuity (inbetween #6 & 7). The Manga continuity is a different but similar continuity. Easy.
			--[[User:Ryangut\|Ryangut]] ([[User talk:Ryangut\|talk]]) 07:17, 31 March 2024 (EDT)

Sabrblade: /* Is this really the best title? */

2016-04-21T11:37:19Z

Is this really the best title?

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	::::"JohnnyMrNinja" was the one who added it, attempting to make it more literal while adding in a comma that wasn't there and using an idiom that means something totally different from the intended "you're about to get whacked." Can we change it back, now?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 16:57, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		::::"JohnnyMrNinja" was the one who added it, attempting to make it more literal while adding in a comma that wasn't there and using an idiom that means something totally different from the intended "you're about to get whacked." Can we change it back, now?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 16:57, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	:::::Yeah, that JohnnyMrNinja guy was a brand new editor who spent a day making all sorts of stupid edits all over the place. I see no reason for this one to stick. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 17:00, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		:::::Yeah, that JohnnyMrNinja guy was a brand new editor who spent a day making all sorts of stupid edits all over the place. I see no reason for this one to stick. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 17:00, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	Can someon also fix the title of [[~~Dueling~~ Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest ~~Beast Warrior Finals~~\|this page]]? "JohnnyMrNinja" changed that one too, and it wouldn't go back to the previous title when I tried to move it back. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 19:04, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		Can someon also fix the title of [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle\|this page]]? "JohnnyMrNinja" changed that one too, and it wouldn't go back to the previous title when I tried to move it back. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 19:04, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	:There's something gone funny with the server, I think. I'm getting errors when trying to save pages, and just before I logged out and had a huge amount of trouble logging back in. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:11, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		:There's something gone funny with the server, I think. I'm getting errors when trying to save pages, and just before I logged out and had a huge amount of trouble logging back in. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:11, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	::Never mind, it seems to have come right! --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:12, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		::Never mind, it seems to have come right! --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:12, 7 June 2012 (EDT)

192.249.47.177: /* Is this really the best title? */

2012-06-15T15:23:17Z

Is this really the best title?

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	::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.		::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
	::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::Just for background, this [http://ejje.weblio.jp/content/危機一髪 dictionary and translation site] gives "to be in imminent danger" as the ''first'' translation for kiki ippatsu. I think you are trying to translate it rather too literally, piece by piece, than idiomatically.[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 11:23, 15 June 2012 (EDT)

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Is this really the best title? */ that was aimed at me and the title I chose

2012-06-09T19:34:05Z

Is this really the best title?: that was aimed at me and the title I chose

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	:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	::::I'm not sure if you're telling me this in particular. I wasn't arguing for Wikipedia's reliability. [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:29, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::::I'm not sure if you're telling me this in particular. I wasn't arguing for Wikipedia's reliability. [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:29, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::::I think that was aimed at me, and I don't disagree. I was not basing anything on the WP title, because anyone (like me) can add/remove info from there. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:34, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

	::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.		::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
	::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

24.211.29.87: /* Is this really the best title? */

2012-06-09T19:29:22Z

Is this really the best title?

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	:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			::::I'm not sure if you're telling me this in particular. I wasn't arguing for Wikipedia's reliability. [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:29, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.		::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
	::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

JohnnyMrNinja: /* Is this really the best title? */edit conflict x2, you guys reply too fast!

2012-06-09T19:25:54Z

Is this really the best title?: edit conflict x2, you guys reply too fast!

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	:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			::::Actually, I was basing on secondary sources as mentioned below. I'm not great at searching in Japanese, so I will admit a margin for error there. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

	:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

			::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
			::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Sabrblade: /* Is this really the best title? */

2012-06-09T19:23:26Z

Is this really the best title?

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	:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

24.211.29.87: /* Is this really the best title? */

2012-06-09T19:20:47Z

Is this really the best title?

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	ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

Sabrblade: /* Is this really the best title? */

2012-06-09T18:55:42Z

Is this really the best title?

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	ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

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	::::"JohnnyMrNinja" was the one who added it, attempting to make it more literal while adding in a comma that wasn't there and using an idiom that means something totally different from the intended "you're about to get whacked." Can we change it back, now?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 16:57, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		::::"JohnnyMrNinja" was the one who added it, attempting to make it more literal while adding in a comma that wasn't there and using an idiom that means something totally different from the intended "you're about to get whacked." Can we change it back, now?[[Special:Contributions/192.249.47.177\|192.249.47.177]] 16:57, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	:::::Yeah, that JohnnyMrNinja guy was a brand new editor who spent a day making all sorts of stupid edits all over the place. I see no reason for this one to stick. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 17:00, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		:::::Yeah, that JohnnyMrNinja guy was a brand new editor who spent a day making all sorts of stupid edits all over the place. I see no reason for this one to stick. --[[User:DrSpengler\|DrSpengler]] 17:00, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	Can someon also fix the title of [[~~Dueling~~ Transformers Beast Wars: Strongest ~~Beast Warrior Finals~~\|this page]]? "JohnnyMrNinja" changed that one too, and it wouldn't go back to the previous title when I tried to move it back. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 19:04, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		Can someon also fix the title of [[Duel Fight Transformers Beast Wars: Beast Warriors' Strongest Decisive Battle\|this page]]? "JohnnyMrNinja" changed that one too, and it wouldn't go back to the previous title when I tried to move it back. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 19:04, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	:There's something gone funny with the server, I think. I'm getting errors when trying to save pages, and just before I logged out and had a huge amount of trouble logging back in. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:11, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		:There's something gone funny with the server, I think. I'm getting errors when trying to save pages, and just before I logged out and had a huge amount of trouble logging back in. --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:11, 7 June 2012 (EDT)
	::Never mind, it seems to have come right! --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:12, 7 June 2012 (EDT)		::Never mind, it seems to have come right! --[[User:Abates\|abates]] 20:12, 7 June 2012 (EDT)

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	:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	::::I'm not sure if you're telling me this in particular. I wasn't arguing for Wikipedia's reliability. [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:29, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::::I'm not sure if you're telling me this in particular. I wasn't arguing for Wikipedia's reliability. [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:29, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::::I think that was aimed at me, and I don't disagree. I was not basing anything on the WP title, because anyone (like me) can add/remove info from there. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:34, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

	::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.		::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
	::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

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	:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			::::Actually, I was basing on secondary sources as mentioned below. I'm not great at searching in Japanese, so I will admit a margin for error there. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

	:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

			::(e/c)Imminent doesn't need to be translated, it is already in English, and already has [http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/imminent an English definition], which means "impending" or "soon-to-come". The comma is a valid point, as that is simply how secondary sources describe the movie ([http://www.allcinema.net/prog/show_c.php?num_c=153759], [http://www.jmdb.ne.jp/1998/dv003320.htm], [http://movie.goo.ne.jp/movies/p31225/]), but it does not appear on the title card or VHS covers. Personally the original title reads more like Engrish to me, but I am not entitled to much of an opinion as a new user, so I will not argue that point.
			::Regardless, it should have been obvious that title changes should need to be discussed beforehand. My mistake. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 15:25, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

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	:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			:::In addition to what I said we don't use above, we especially don't use Wikipedia as a completely valid, reliable source. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 15:23, 9 June 2012 (EDT)

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	ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		ビーストウォーズII ライオンコンボイ、危機一髪! translates to ビーストウォーズII (Beast Wars II) ライオン (Lion) コンボイ (Convoy) 、(comma), 危機一髪! is an idiom that means literally that danger or risk (危) is/was a hairsbreadth away, 機 (measurement) 一 (one) 髪 (hair). The closest translation for this Japanese idiom in English is "close shave" or "close call". I don't know where the translation "Lio Convoy in Imminent Danger!" comes from, but that implies danger is soon, not close, and is certainly not a literal translation. [[User:JohnnyMrNinja\|JohnnyMrNinja]] 14:35, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
	:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)		:We don't use literal translations in cases where they make a mockery of the English language. "Imminent Danger" in this case refers to the danger being absolutely certain and definite, as though it's going to happen without a doubt. And there is no comma in [[:Image:LioConvoyImminentDangertitlecard01.jpg\|the title]]. We go by what's written on screen, which lacks any recognizable comma. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] 14:55, 9 June 2012 (EDT)
			::I see Johnny's working off the [[Wikipedia:Beast_Wars_II:_Lio_Convoy,_Close_Call!\|Wikipedia article]] (which he moved himself), which includes the extraneous comma and the incorrect "Lion" kana. I sorta agree with the "Close Call" translation, but I would phrase it as "Lio Convoy's Close Call". [[Special:Contributions/24.211.29.87\|24.211.29.87]] 15:20, 9 June 2012 (EDT)