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	It's good to see some summaries showing up, but I think we need to think about how to organize things. IMO, there should be a "main" article for every comic book series which includes an overview and a list of issues. Each issue of the comic will then have its own article.		{{note\|Discussion previously located here is now at [[Talk:The Transformers (Marvel Comics)]].}}

	That does, however, raise the question of how to name the pages for comic issues, especially the original comic where even using issue names may cause conflict between the US and UK editions. I think that issue names are a better way to go than issue numbers, at least.

	~~I'm inclined to say that the UK comic should be treated as the "real" comic series because of its additional material. The US comic is a subset of it.~~

	A page for a UK comic issue then, in my ideal world, would be named after the issue. Among other information near the top of the article, it would state whether that UK story appeared in a US issue or not, and if so, what issue (number and name).

	A page for a US comic issue has two possibilities: If the issue name was also an issue name for the UK version, there simply is no separate page for the US issue. If the US issue name was not duplicated in the UK (and I don't even know if that ever happened) then the US issue article should just redirect to the appropriate UK issue which reprints the first part of that US issue.

	This all just off the top of my head, and shouldn't be taken as authoritative or anything. Still, I am really big on the idea of organizing things in a systematic way, and I think that this would make things a lot easier. I would welcome comments from others.

	~~--[[User:Steve-o~~\|~~Steve-o]] 06:47, 6 March 2006 (UTC)~~

	(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/07 - 7:24 pm PST) While I can see the reason for wanting to make the UK comic primary, and the US comic a subset, that would pretty much make it impossible for me to complete any more entries, as I have no idea where the breaks would come in the middle of the US stories, even assuming I consulted a chart telling me which UK issue lined up with which US story....

	If someone would set up a template, I'm happy to make my existing entries match the template. As it is, I'm creating stuff from scratch. Seemed necessary with so little existing on the board already.... [[User:G.B. Blackrock]]



	(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 10:14 am PST) I've held off on making any further additions for the moment in hopes that someone else might come on with input. I certainly agree that a standardized organizational scheme would be helpful. I'm inclined at the moment to go ahead with my US entries, and let anyone who has the UK comics make their entries in the still-separate UK comics page. It would be a reasonably simple matter to link the appropriate UK issues to their US counterparts, but then I don't have to worry about incorporating UK continuity into the US line, since I don't have these issues.

	~~Furthermore, while the UK continuity does ''mostly'' contain all of the US continuity, there are a few rather significant differences, such as the reason why Bumblebee was rebuilt into Goldbug.~~

	For these reasons, I'm inclined to continue treating US continuity as separate from the UK continuity, and not as a subset. I am still open to other opinions, especially in regard to standardization.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

	As I understand it, about 90% of the comic is identical between the versions (excluding the additional content for the UK comics). So it would be far simpler to just use the UK comics, and just mention any differences as they appear, when appropriate, within the article itself.

	~~This is, of course, assuming I'm not mistaken, which I am quite often.--[[User:OctopusPrime\|Octopus Prime- King of the Road!]] 19:49, 9 March 2006 (UTC)~~



	(G.B. Blackrock: 2006/03/09 - 4:56 pm PST) At the risk of sounding US-centric, I still think making the US entries a "sub-set" of the UK ones would cause more confusion than help. If someone can actually ''demonstrate'' how this would play out be actualy creating some entries that I could follow the pattern of, I'd be happy to be proven wrong, though.[[User:G.B. Blackrock]]

	I don't think necessarily either need to be considered a sub-set; but over IRC, Jhi raised a few valid points. The headers for comic issue pages should give the US and UK issue numbers equal billing, especially if we're just going to have the UK issue list link to them. Individual articles should be about the story as it appears in ''both'' countries' issues. --[[User:Suki Brits\|Suki Brits]] 00:02, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

	My thought was to give the original publisher primacy, and list other versions of the same story below. So "Man of Iron" would list the UK printing up top, but the US reissues below, for example.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:13, 16 March 2006 (UTC)

	~~==Main G1 comics==~~
	It occurs to me that our current listing has one link for the G1 Marvel comics, but that the three separate DW comics (none of which have pages, it would seem) are given separate links. Either we should add the Marvel Headmasters, TFU, and the GI/Joe crossover (which was in the same continuity, even if it WAS later ignored) here~~, or we should consolidate the DW entries. The latter~~ is ~~my preference, but I'm wondering if that would create unforeseen problems elsewhere. Thoughts?--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 18:55, 2 May 2006 (UTC)~~


	~~=="Comic" or "Comics"? (also, upper or lower-case?)==~~
	~~A recent revision was made to the Marvel G1 link so that it wouldn't have to "redirect" to the actual site. I agree with this, in principle. However, it highlights an inconsistency, as we~~ now have links for [[Generation 1 (Marvel Comics)]] and [[Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)]]. One or both of these should be changed to resemble the other. Do we go with the singular "comic" or the plural "comics"? (Also, capitalization should be consistent. I'm assuming that lower-case is preferred. Indeed, I'd suggest "comic" as the preferable form, since the title of this very page uses the lower-case singular form.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 00:00, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
	: "Marvel Comics" is the name of the company, so that is why it is capitalized. Dreamwave's company title does not have "Comics" in it, so "comics" is added so we know what kind medium the fiction is. The difference in capitalization between the two is INTENTIONAL. --[[~~User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 00~~:~~03, 14 September 2007 (UTC)~~
	::I don't know if I buy that explanation... Or, rather, even if you are literally sure it's intentional and aren't rationalizing a mistake, I don't think that explanation suffices. There is no need to specify the media type in the parenthetical. The ~~two should match in structure, being either "Dreamwave" and "Marvel Comics" or "Dreamwave comic" and "Marvel Comics comic"~~ (~~which sounds stupid). I'd also accept dropping the "Comics" part of~~ Marvel's name since it's not really needed, and also that's not their name anymore anyway. That would give us "Dreamwave"/"Marvel" or "Dreamwave comic"/"Marvel comic". --[[User:Steve-o\|Steve-o]] 01:01, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
	::::"rationalizing a mistake"? Dude, I go through pages and FIX the capitalization it so it's that way, for that reason. This is almost entirely in the fiction sections of all the articles, but specifying "comics" in some fashion after "Marvel" after "Generation 1" is crucial, as, well, you know, the cartoon was co-produced by Marvel. --[[User:ItsWalky\|ItsWalky]] 04:07, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
	:::::So, obviously its intentional. Still, I'd rather see something more consistent. It looks more and more like this particular convention exists only because it's never been noticed as being inconsistent before. By all means, point out "comic" in some fashion after "Marvel." But I still think that "comic" is more appropriate than "Comics~~", the fact (is it still a fact? Steve-o suggests it isn't anymore.~~) ~~of Marvel's name being "Marvel Comics" notwithstanding.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock~~]] ~~05:29, 14 September 2007 (UTC)~~
	~~:::Having [[Generation 1 (cartoon)]] and [[Generation 1 (Marvel)]] co-exists bothers me.~~
	~~:::I vote for [[Generation 1 (Marvel comic)]] and [[Generation 1 (Dreamwave comic)]].~~
	:::There's probably 20 different articles that can be called [[Generation 1 (somedisambig)]]. Just for comics we've had Marvel, Blackthorne, Benchpress (well, not really) 2 different manga publishers, Dreamwave, and IDW. And that's not even all G1 TF comics (Devil's Due's version of the TFU has a non-generic name that avoids it being chronicled under the generic 'Generation 1' label.)
	:::Are there ''any'' other articles of this sort where we ''don't'' put the media type in the disambig? I think... in any franchise with more than 1 type of media, the media-type should be ''standard'' as part of the disambig.
	:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
	It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang\|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
	~~:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about~~. ~~It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)~~

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	:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)		:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
	It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang\|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)		It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang\|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
	:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)~~<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>~~		:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

G.B. Blackrock: D'oh!

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D'oh!

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	:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)		:::Disambigs don't ''have'' to provide contextual information, but I think in G1's case, with ''so many'' articles, it's a good idea. Additionally, it would make the G1 articles better fit with the disambiging format used by other franchises. (For the most part other franchises don't have to deal with multiple publishers of a single kind of media, so their sub-pages are ''always'' disambig'd by type of media.) -[[User:Derik\|Derik]] 03:40, 14 September 2007 (UTC)
	It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang\|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)		It really shouldn't matter that it's just "Marvel" now; we should only be concerned about the name in effect when the comics were actually being published. Unless we're retconning all instances of "Takara" into "TakaraTomy". [[User:Interrobang\|Interrobang]] 01:11, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
	:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel ~~comics~~" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave ~~comics~~". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>		:Perhaps not, but I still prefer "Marvel comic" for the sake of consistency to "Dreamwave comic". "Marvel" is descriptive enough that everyone knows what's being talked about. It need not be precisely the name of the company.--[[User:G.B. Blackrock\|G.B. Blackrock]] 02:40, 15 September 2007 (UTC)<div id="wikia-credits"><br /><br /><small>From [http://transformers.wikia.com Teletraan I: The Transformers Wiki], a [http://www.wikia.com Wikia] wiki.</small></div>

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