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	I'd say this is a mystery worth acknowledging up-front. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:54, 4 November 2022 (EDT)		I'd say this is a mystery worth acknowledging up-front. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:54, 4 November 2022 (EDT)

			== Various European packaging variations ==

			These are some ''very'' specific inquiries.

			1) Starting off with the very first batch if [[Micromaster]] Patrols:

			:The first three patrols released at the tail end of 1988 (the [[Off Road Patrol]], the [[Race Car Patrol]] and the [[Air Strike Patrol]]) were released in different packaging than all the other Micromasters, a variation of the 1988 packaging design featuring the old pre-1989-style ''Transformers'' logo, with a unique "[[:File:MicroTFlogo.jpg\|Micro Transformers]]" title. That packaging design was then dropped for all subsequent Micromaster releases in favor of the more well-known silver packaging design featuring the redesigned 1989-onwards ''Transformers'' logo.

			:However, in the UK, these three early Micromaster Patrols ''were'' available in the 1989-style silver packaging design. I've got photographic evidence (and posted it on various websites) of the Air Strike Patrol and the Off Road Patrol in silver packaging (English-only, with "Hasbro Bradley U.K." stickers and Woolworth price tags in pounds!), plus the Race Car Patrol in French/Dutch packaging in ''both'' packaging variants (1988-style and 1989-style), both featuring stickers from Bart Smit (a Dutch toy store chain), and the Off Road and Air Strike Patrols also in French/Dutch 1988-style packaging.

			:Still missing: The Race Car Patrol in 1989-style English-only UK packaging, and the Off Road and Air Strike Patrols in French/Dutch 1989-style packaging.

			2) Next up: The European-exclusive [[Obliterator]]s, [[Pyro (G1)\|Pyro]] and [[Clench (G1)\|Clench]].

			:When these two were first released in 1993, they were available in two different packaging variants: The more well-known English/Spanish versions, which named the two "Pyro" and "Clench", and the much rarer French/Dutch versions, which is where the names "Spark" and "Colossus" originated. I have photographic evidence of "Spark" in French/Dutch 1993 packaging, and of the 1993 French/Dutch instructions (but not the packaging) for "Colossus".

			:Then in 1994, the two were re-released, this time in new packaging branded as part of the ''[[Transformers: Generation 2 (toyline)\|Generation 2]]'' line. For these releases, only English/Spanish/Portuguese packaging is currently confirmed, which gave these two the names "Spark" and "Colossus". Prior to the discovery of the 1993 French/Dutch versions, it was assumed that this was an arbitrary decision to rename them, when in reality, it seems more like an attempt to harmonize their names across the various European markets.

			:Still missing: French/Dutch 1993 packaging for "Colossus" (definitely exists), and the second 1994 ''Generation 2'' packaging variant for both of them, namely French/Dutch/German (assuming it exists).

			3) More ''Generation 2'' fun: The wave 2 and 3 [[Go-Bot (G2)\|Go-Bot]]s and the wave 2 [[Cyberjet]]s.

			:As mentioned above, at the time, two different multilingual packaging variants existed in Europe: English/Spanish/Portuguese and French/Dutch/German.

			:The wave 1 Go-Bots ([[Firecracker#Toys\|Firecracker]], [[Gearhead#Toys\|Gearhead]], [[Blowout (G2)#Toys\|Blowout]], [[High Beam (G2)#Toys\|High Beam]], [[Motormouth (G2)#Toys\|Motormouth]] and [[Double Clutch (G2)#Toys\|Double Clutch]]) are confirmed to have been available in both versions, as are the wave 1 Cyberjets ([[Skyjack (G2)#Toys\|Skyjack]], [[Hooligan (G2)#Toys\|Hooligan]] and [[Space Case (G2)#Toys\|Space Case]]). The Go-Bots were spelled "Gobots" without a hyphen in both versions and given the additional French name "Turbo-Transfo" for the French/Dutch/German version, while the Cyberjets were renamed into "Mini-Jets" for both versions and given the additional French name "Les Pirates du Ciel" for the French/Dutch/German version.

			:However, the wave 2 and 3 Go-Bots and the wave 2 Cyberjets are only confirmed (with photographic evidence) to have been released in French/Dutch/German packaging, and were given a somewhat odd treatment... or rather, Hasbro released them ''as originally intended'', instead of the last minute change they were given for the US market: Rather than as [[Optimus Prime (G1)/toys#GobotOptimusPrime\|Optimus Prime]] and [[Megatron (G1)/toys#Go-Bot\|Megatron]], the wave 2 solid plastic redecos of Firecracker and Blowout were still released under those same names, basically as running change variants, with Blowout still marketed as an Autobot. The same happened with the wave 2 Cyberjet redecos: Rather than being marketed as new versions of the G1 characters [[Air Raid (G1)#Cyberjet\|Air Raid]], [[Jetfire (G1)/toys#Generation 2\|Jetfire]] and [[Strafe (G1)#Generation 2\|Strafe]], the redecos were sold under the names "Skyjack", "Hooligan" and "Space Case", and marketed as Decepticons. The wave 3 Go-Bots were given a sort of hybrid approach: While they were given the same English names as their US counterparts, thus making them new versions of G1 characters [[Sideswipe (G1)/toys#Go-Bot\|Sideswipe]], [[Soundwave (G1)/toys#Generation 2\|Soundwave]], [[Frenzy (G1)/toys#Generation 2\|Frenzy]], [[Bumblebee (G1)/toys#Go-Bot\|Bumblebee]], [[Ironhide (G1)/toys#Generation 2\|Ironhide]] and [[Mirage (G1)/toys#Generation 2\|Mirage]], they kept the same alternate French names as their wave predecessors: Firecracker and Sideswipe were both "Turbo-Diablo" in French, Gearhead and Soundwave were both "Turbo-Stockcar", Blowout and Frenzy were both "Turbo-Comete", High Beam and Bumblebee were both "Turbo-"Libero", Motormouth and Ironhide were both "Turbo-Porteur", and Double Clutch and Mirage were both "Turbo-Indy".

			:Still missing: Any photographic evidence that the wave 2 and 3 Go-Bots/Gobots and the wave 2 Cyberjets/Mini-Jets were ever available in English/Spanish/Portuguese packaging, and thus, whether they were marketed as G1 characters like in the US, or as running change variants of the G1 versions. (Like with the 1994 French/Dutch/German versions of the Obliterators, it's possible these packaging versions for these particular figures simply don't exist.)

			4) The [[Tiny Tins]] versions of the [[Race Mini-Con Team]].

			:The members of the ''[[Transformers: Armada (toyline)\|Armada]]'' Race Mini-Con Team ([[Dirt Boss (Armada)\|Dirt Boss]], [[Downshift (Armada)\|Downshift]] and [[Mirage (Armada)\|Mirage]]) were re-released in 2003, this time available individually, each with their own unique Tiny Tins carrying case. In the United States, they were branded as part of the 2003 ''[[Transformers: Universe (2003 toyline)\|Universe]]'' line, but in Europe, they were instead sold in ''Armada''-branded packaging, complete with ''Armada''-style Tiny Tins! (Inevitably, some errors happened during production, resulting in a few instances of an ''Armada''-style Tiny Tin on a ''Universe'' cardback available in the United States.) I currently have photographic evidence of Dirt Boss and Mirage in ''Armada'' packaging, but I'm still searching for photos of Tiny Tin Downshift on an ''Armada'' cardback.

			:Additionally, the cardbacks for Dirt Boss and Mirage also feature a cross-sell depicting the [[Street Speed Mini-Con Team]] ([[Spiral]], [[Oval]] and [[Backtrack (Armada)\|Backtrack]]). If possible, I'd like to have clarification whether these were indeed also available individually on ''Armada'' cardbacks featuring Tiny Tins in Europe.

			Again, this is my weird little corner, not sure if this is quite on par with "Invasion Galactica", "The Love Bug" or the unknown Generation 1 animation studios.--[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore\|talk]]) 19:09, 18 June 2025 (EDT)

Sabrblade: /* Kiss Players Radio Translations */

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	:What do you mean we have eps 38-51 now? Where? Translated by who? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 15:26, 16 March 2024 (EDT)		:What do you mean we have eps 38-51 now? Where? Translated by who? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 15:26, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
	::On our page for the KP radio drama, episodes 38-51 seem to be covered at the same level of detail as all prior ones. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 March 2024 (EDT)		::On our page for the KP radio drama, episodes 38-51 seem to be covered at the same level of detail as all prior ones. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
			:::Those pages were made from summaries we got from a fansite. --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 16:00, 16 March 2024 (EDT)

	== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==		== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==

Thylacine 2000: /* Kiss Players Radio Translations */

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Kiss Players Radio Translations

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	It looks like we have eps 38-51 now, are we still missing a segment? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2024 (EDT)		It looks like we have eps 38-51 now, are we still missing a segment? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2024 (EDT)
	:What do you mean we have eps 38-51 now? Where? Translated by who? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 15:26, 16 March 2024 (EDT)		:What do you mean we have eps 38-51 now? Where? Translated by who? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 15:26, 16 March 2024 (EDT)
			::On our page for the KP radio drama, episodes 38-51 seem to be covered at the same level of detail as all prior ones. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 15:57, 16 March 2024 (EDT)

	== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==		== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==

Sabrblade: /* Kiss Players Radio Translations */

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Kiss Players Radio Translations

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	It looks like we have eps 38-51 now, are we still missing a segment? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2024 (EDT)		It looks like we have eps 38-51 now, are we still missing a segment? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2024 (EDT)
			:What do you mean we have eps 38-51 now? Where? Translated by who? --[[User:Sabrblade\|Sabrblade]] ([[User talk:Sabrblade\|talk]]) 15:26, 16 March 2024 (EDT)

	== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==		== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==

Thylacine 2000: /* Kiss Players Radio Translations */

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	So with Karyuudo subs having translated the Kiss Players radio plays (https://karyuudofansubs.blogspot.com/2022/07/release-transformers-kiss-players.html), we're good to remove that from the list, right? [[User:AkibaSilver\|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver\|talk]]) 09:05, 20 July 2022 (EDT)		So with Karyuudo subs having translated the Kiss Players radio plays (https://karyuudofansubs.blogspot.com/2022/07/release-transformers-kiss-players.html), we're good to remove that from the list, right? [[User:AkibaSilver\|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver\|talk]]) 09:05, 20 July 2022 (EDT)
	:No, we're still missing year 2. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 09:25, 20 July 2022 (EDT)		:No, we're still missing year 2. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 09:25, 20 July 2022 (EDT)

			It looks like we have eps 38-51 now, are we still missing a segment? --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 21:17, 15 March 2024 (EDT)

	== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==		== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==

RotorstormNZ: /* Expo '86 */

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Expo '86

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	Ive been digging around online, and the only things I know are that there were mascot suits of Starscream, and presumably Jazz and Grimlock. I say that because the starscream costume looks identical to the one used at the universal studios transformers event in 1985, and they had grimlock and Jazz.[[User:YourBestPal\|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal\|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2018 (EDT)		Ive been digging around online, and the only things I know are that there were mascot suits of Starscream, and presumably Jazz and Grimlock. I say that because the starscream costume looks identical to the one used at the universal studios transformers event in 1985, and they had grimlock and Jazz.[[User:YourBestPal\|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal\|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

	I've found a photo of a performer in Starscream costume on the Vancouver Sun website (photo #8 at https://vancouversun.com/gallery/photos-vancouvers-expo-86-opened-35-years-ago-today) and an Instagram post with a Transformers merchandise kiosk in the background (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDR5zLLOhUi/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=5b5ef757-0773-4a1b-aae5-07bf876102ba). Are these of any use? --[[User:RotorstormNZ\|RotorstormNZ]] ([[User talk:RotorstormNZ\|talk]]) 11:35, 10 December ~~202~~ (NZDT)		I've found a photo of a performer in Starscream costume on the Vancouver Sun website (photo #8 at https://vancouversun.com/gallery/photos-vancouvers-expo-86-opened-35-years-ago-today) and an Instagram post with a Transformers merchandise kiosk in the background (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDR5zLLOhUi/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=5b5ef757-0773-4a1b-aae5-07bf876102ba). Are these of any use? --[[User:RotorstormNZ\|RotorstormNZ]] ([[User talk:RotorstormNZ\|talk]]) 11:35, 10 December 2022 (NZDT)

	== Animorphs Jake/Stingray and Taxxon/Alien auctions ==		== Animorphs Jake/Stingray and Taxxon/Alien auctions ==

RotorstormNZ: /* Expo '86 */

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Expo '86

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	Ive been digging around online, and the only things I know are that there were mascot suits of Starscream, and presumably Jazz and Grimlock. I say that because the starscream costume looks identical to the one used at the universal studios transformers event in 1985, and they had grimlock and Jazz.[[User:YourBestPal\|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal\|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2018 (EDT)		Ive been digging around online, and the only things I know are that there were mascot suits of Starscream, and presumably Jazz and Grimlock. I say that because the starscream costume looks identical to the one used at the universal studios transformers event in 1985, and they had grimlock and Jazz.[[User:YourBestPal\|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal\|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

	I've found a photo of a performer in Starscream costume on the Vancouver Sun website (photo #8 at https://vancouversun.com/gallery/photos-vancouvers-expo-86-opened-35-years-ago-today) and an Instagram post with a Transformers merchandise kiosk in the background (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDR5zLLOhUi/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=5b5ef757-0773-4a1b-aae5-07bf876102ba). Are these of any use? [[User:RotorstormNZ\|RotorstormNZ]] ([[User talk:RotorstormNZ\|talk]]) 11:35, 10 December 202 (NZDT)		I've found a photo of a performer in Starscream costume on the Vancouver Sun website (photo #8 at https://vancouversun.com/gallery/photos-vancouvers-expo-86-opened-35-years-ago-today) and an Instagram post with a Transformers merchandise kiosk in the background (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDR5zLLOhUi/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=5b5ef757-0773-4a1b-aae5-07bf876102ba). Are these of any use? --[[User:RotorstormNZ\|RotorstormNZ]] ([[User talk:RotorstormNZ\|talk]]) 11:35, 10 December 202 (NZDT)

	== Animorphs Jake/Stingray and Taxxon/Alien auctions ==		== Animorphs Jake/Stingray and Taxxon/Alien auctions ==

RotorstormNZ: /* Expo '86 */ added links to photos of Expo 86

2022-12-09T22:37:50Z

Expo '86: added links to photos of Expo 86

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	Ive been digging around online, and the only things I know are that there were mascot suits of Starscream, and presumably Jazz and Grimlock. I say that because the starscream costume looks identical to the one used at the universal studios transformers event in 1985, and they had grimlock and Jazz.[[User:YourBestPal\|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal\|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2018 (EDT)		Ive been digging around online, and the only things I know are that there were mascot suits of Starscream, and presumably Jazz and Grimlock. I say that because the starscream costume looks identical to the one used at the universal studios transformers event in 1985, and they had grimlock and Jazz.[[User:YourBestPal\|YourBestPal]] ([[User talk:YourBestPal\|talk]]) 18:46, 13 May 2018 (EDT)

			I've found a photo of a performer in Starscream costume on the Vancouver Sun website (photo #8 at https://vancouversun.com/gallery/photos-vancouvers-expo-86-opened-35-years-ago-today) and an Instagram post with a Transformers merchandise kiosk in the background (https://www.instagram.com/p/BDR5zLLOhUi/?utm_source=ig_embed&ig_rid=5b5ef757-0773-4a1b-aae5-07bf876102ba). Are these of any use? [[User:RotorstormNZ\|RotorstormNZ]] ([[User talk:RotorstormNZ\|talk]]) 11:35, 10 December 202 (NZDT)

	== Animorphs Jake/Stingray and Taxxon/Alien auctions ==		== Animorphs Jake/Stingray and Taxxon/Alien auctions ==

Thylacine 2000 at 20:54, 4 November 2022

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	So with Karyuudo subs having translated the Kiss Players radio plays (https://karyuudofansubs.blogspot.com/2022/07/release-transformers-kiss-players.html), we're good to remove that from the list, right? [[User:AkibaSilver\|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver\|talk]]) 09:05, 20 July 2022 (EDT)		So with Karyuudo subs having translated the Kiss Players radio plays (https://karyuudofansubs.blogspot.com/2022/07/release-transformers-kiss-players.html), we're good to remove that from the list, right? [[User:AkibaSilver\|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver\|talk]]) 09:05, 20 July 2022 (EDT)
	:No, we're still missing year 2. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 09:25, 20 July 2022 (EDT)		:No, we're still missing year 2. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 09:25, 20 July 2022 (EDT)

			== Whoever made "Invasion Galactica" ==
			The Hot Rod go-kart may never have existed, but we know a bunch of [[Estrela]] toys got repackaged by unknown parties as "Invasion Galactica". Was any legitimate license-holder involved?

			http://www.toyarchive.com/Transformers/Brazilian/Invasion.html

			I'd say this is a mystery worth acknowledging up-front. --[[User:Thylacine 2000\|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000\|talk]]) 16:54, 4 November 2022 (EDT)

Escargon: /* Kiss Players Radio Translations */

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	== Kiss Players Radio Translations ==		== Kiss Players Radio Translations ==
	So with Karyuudo subs having translated the Kiss Players radio plays (https://karyuudofansubs.blogspot.com/2022/07/release-transformers-kiss-players.html), we're good to remove that from the list, right? [[User:AkibaSilver\|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver\|talk]]) 09:05, 20 July 2022 (EDT)		So with Karyuudo subs having translated the Kiss Players radio plays (https://karyuudofansubs.blogspot.com/2022/07/release-transformers-kiss-players.html), we're good to remove that from the list, right? [[User:AkibaSilver\|AkibaSilver]] ([[User talk:AkibaSilver\|talk]]) 09:05, 20 July 2022 (EDT)
			:No, we're still missing year 2. [[User:Escargon\|Escargon]] ([[User talk:Escargon\|talk]]) 09:25, 20 July 2022 (EDT)