Talk:Maverick (Collaborative) - Revision history

M Sipher at 03:51, 31 January 2024

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	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-14 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)		::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-14 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)
			:::And not to dogpile, but like, "wings on back and thruster-feet" also describes, just immediately off the top of my head, Starscream/Seekers, the Cyberjets, and the small Predators. Probably wouldn't be hard to come up with more. It's a super-common jet-to-robot design. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Saix at 13:23, 30 January 2024

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	Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)		Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)		::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-14 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Saix: /* Fanart */

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	Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)		Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	::This doesn't look similar, beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)		::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Saix: /* Fanart */

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	Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)		Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
			::This doesn't look similar, beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)

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	Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)		Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)
			:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)

The Wadapan at 09:19, 30 January 2024

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	If Maverick was a Hasbro Pulse exclusive in the U.S. and Canada", then why was he found at EB Games in Canada? [https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/12/05/transformers-collaborative-top-gun-mash-up-maverick-released-in-canada-425350] --[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore\|talk]]) 15:54, 14 July 2021 (EDT)		If Maverick was a Hasbro Pulse exclusive in the U.S. and Canada", then why was he found at EB Games in Canada? [https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/12/05/transformers-collaborative-top-gun-mash-up-maverick-released-in-canada-425350] --[[User:Nevermore\|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore\|talk]]) 15:54, 14 July 2021 (EDT)

			==Fanart==
			Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)

Nevermore: /* Canada */ new section

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Canada: new section

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== Canada ==

If Maverick was a Hasbro Pulse exclusive in the U.S. and Canada", then why was he found at EB Games in Canada? [https://news.tfw2005.com/2020/12/05/transformers-collaborative-top-gun-mash-up-maverick-released-in-canada-425350] --[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] ([[User talk:Nevermore|talk]]) 15:54, 14 July 2021 (EDT)

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	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-14 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)		::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-14 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)
			:::And not to dogpile, but like, "wings on back and thruster-feet" also describes, just immediately off the top of my head, Starscream/Seekers, the Cyberjets, and the small Predators. Probably wouldn't be hard to come up with more. It's a super-common jet-to-robot design. --[[User:M Sipher\|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher\|talk]]) 22:51, 30 January 2024 (EST)

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	Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)		Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)		::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-14 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)

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	Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)		Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	::This doesn't look similar, beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)		::This doesn't look similar beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)

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	Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)		Can't say I'm surprised to be instantly reverted, but I really do think that this old piece is [https://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/index.php?title=Maverick_(Collaborative)&diff=1744010&oldid=1738770 worth mentioning]! The similarities to the official product are striking and we know the current Hasbro team's general modus operandi when it comes to gathering reference for new toys and doing market research. The phrasing I used was careful to avoid asserting "yes they directly based the toy on this specific piece of fanart", because there isn't the evidence to support such a claim, but I don't see any harm with bringing it up as background context for this specific concept in the fandom. I don't really find "slippery slope" arguments convincing in this case: like, that famous bit of ''Back to the Future'' crossover fanart they used to put on t-shirts obviously bares zero resemblance to [[Gigawatt]]. —[[User:The Wadapan\|The Wadapan]] ([[User talk:The Wadapan\|talk]]) 04:19, 30 January 2024 (EST)
	:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)		:Much of my argument against including your note is exactly what you said that we don't have evidence to support the claim of Maverick here being based off of that fanart. For one, Hasbro/TakTom would've refined the F-14 transformation over the years ever since Jetfire/Skyfire's release, if not at least leading up to the ''Top Gun'' collab. The fanart's bot design runs opposite of the "cockpit as chest" common with most planeformers. Crossover "what ifs" from fans are common, like this [https://www.deviantart.com/johnny216/art/Ecto-1-23027323 fanart of Ecto-1] as a Transformer from '''''2005''''' before [[Ectotron]]'s eventual release in '''''2019'''''. Sipher also has a point that your note would open "the door to every demi-similar piece of fanart of obvious mashups ever made getting mentioned on this wiki," and we'd be running into potential grounds of legal liability that the wiki doesn't need (much less be able to handle), even with carefully worded notes. --[[User:Lonegamer78\|Lonegamer78]] ([[User talk:Lonegamer78\|talk]]) 06:48, 30 January 2024 (EST)
			::This doesn't look similar, beyond the silhouette, if you squint. They're both named Maverick and have the F-15 alternate mode because those are specific references to the movie and any similarities are going to arise from there. There's no general point to be made here. [[User:Saix\|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix\|talk]]) 08:22, 30 January 2024 (EST)